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20090806 02:01:35< A_Guy> If you clear one part of an array, will the other parts adjust their place in the array to compensate?
20090806 02:01:52< A_Guy> Let's say I have foo[0], foo[1], foo[2], and foo[3].
20090806 02:02:10< A_Guy> If I erace foo[1] will foo[2] change to foo[1], and will foo[3] change to foo[2]?
20090806 02:02:16< A_Guy> erase*
20090806 02:03:22< A_Guy> I'm better asking this on the forums, aren't I.
20090806 02:17:31< Soliton> well, how do you erase an element of the array?
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20090806 03:08:39< wajimba1> does anyone else get this error on the forums sometimes: SQL ERROR [ mysqli ] Too many connections [1040]
20090806 03:09:19< wajimba1> I'm trying to figure out why it's happening
20090806 03:09:30< wajimba1> and if it's universal
20090806 03:11:00< Soliton> it's universal.
20090806 03:11:17< Soliton> it happens because there are too many connections.
20090806 03:12:30< wajimba1> so, to fix it they would have to up the bandwidth?
20090806 03:14:27< Soliton> number of connections is not the same as bandwidth.
20090806 03:17:54< Soliton> the problem was probably that the mysql backup script just ran.
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20090806 03:19:57< wajimba1> is there a way to run that during a less peak time?
20090806 03:20:24< Soliton> now is peak time?
20090806 03:22:57< wajimba1> Idk- I suppose it's always peak time somewhere :)
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20090806 03:30:27< Soliton> i've put it in 5h, that's the worst time on the mp servers anyway.
20090806 03:37:15< wajimba1> 5h?
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20090806 05:47:46< Blueblaze> Anyone here a fan of Brotherhood of Light?
20090806 05:48:20< Al1_> I never got to play the game all the way throug
20090806 05:48:25< Al1_> through*
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20090806 05:49:00< Blueblaze> hey Jean1
20090806 05:49:01< Al1_> AGH run from billy jean~!
20090806 05:49:06< Jean1> heeeey
20090806 05:49:09< Jean1> lol
20090806 05:49:10 * Al1_ hides
20090806 05:49:13< Blueblaze> Jean1: Do you like BoL?
20090806 05:50:02< Jean1> um.. is that a tricky question?
20090806 05:50:08< Blueblaze> no
20090806 05:50:17< Jean1> lol
20090806 05:50:20< Jean1> then yes
20090806 05:51:04< Blueblaze> Any particular reasons you enjoyed it?
20090806 05:51:06< Blueblaze> Al1_: -^
20090806 05:51:12< Blueblaze> It is to both of you
20090806 05:51:14< Al1_> oh
20090806 05:51:17< Al1_> cause its different
20090806 05:51:34< Al1_> its a pretty cool exploration/adventure
20090806 05:51:42< Jean1> yea
20090806 05:51:48< Jean1> and it has many things to do
20090806 05:51:48< Blueblaze> I see
20090806 05:51:50< Jean1> many quests
20090806 05:52:02< Jean1> also the modular advancing is nice
20090806 05:52:12< Jean1> and most of all, it does all that in multi player
20090806 05:52:12< Blueblaze> gotcha
20090806 05:52:18< VurtualRuler98> Wait, what?
20090806 05:52:34< VurtualRuler98> I'm guessing someone's talking about a "modular advancing" with "it many things to do" wesnoth thing.
20090806 05:53:08< Blueblaze> ?
20090806 05:53:27< Jean1> Brotherhood of Light
20090806 05:53:48< Jean1> you don't just level, you have a modular advance, you level specific things
20090806 05:53:54< Jean1> like in Brent and Wesband
20090806 05:54:04< Blueblaze> Brent?
20090806 05:54:07< Blueblaze> Never heard of that one
20090806 05:54:21< VurtualRuler98> Oh come on.
20090806 05:54:31< VurtualRuler98> Can we stop using Wesnoth as an M16/jeep when it isn't capible of?
20090806 05:54:33< Al1_> its a campaign
20090806 05:54:38< Jean1> Very good one, but shamefully it's not MP
20090806 05:54:55< VurtualRuler98> For ONCE, can someone actually make an engine themselves to do something?
20090806 05:54:55< Al1_> Blueblaze you gonna make a BoL?
20090806 05:55:04< Jean1> What do you mean VirtualRuler98?
20090806 05:55:14< Blueblaze> Al1_: No, I find it utterly boring
20090806 05:55:21< Blueblaze> just my opinion though
20090806 05:55:21< Jean1> Why?
20090806 05:55:21< VurtualRuler98> Wesnoth is meant to be wesnoth.
20090806 05:55:23< Al1_> Blueblaze lol nice
20090806 05:55:27< VurtualRuler98> Sure, it's good at being that, and some origianl ideas.
20090806 05:55:32< Blueblaze> Al1_: I'm curious why other people like it :P
20090806 05:55:37< Blueblaze> VurtualRuler98: go to #wesnoth-boring
20090806 05:55:42< Jean1> VurtualRuler98: Stick on default then, noone is complaining about it :-P
20090806 05:55:53< Blueblaze> I like the idea of people doing things to Wesnoth that wasn't really intention if it can be done well
20090806 05:55:55< Al1_> lol
20090806 05:56:03< Al1_> its an empty room Blueblaze.....
20090806 05:56:15< VurtualRuler98> You'd make something better if you did a base engine.
20090806 05:56:16< Jean1> Well, Blueblaze, what do you don't like about it?
20090806 05:56:16< Al1_> im sitting here...
20090806 05:56:21< Al1_> and noone is here
20090806 05:56:29< Blueblaze> Jean1: Dry, slow, and boring
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20090806 05:56:42< Jean1> VurtualRuler98: Oh, and you are making something better about complaining?
20090806 05:56:56< VurtualRuler98> Yes, saying why.
20090806 05:57:12< Jean1> Slow, yes. Boring? Hardly. Dry? Guess that is the same as boring.
20090806 05:57:20< VurtualRuler98> Now go forth and use that 10 second glance over the wall of words from "man gcc".
20090806 05:57:38< VurtualRuler98> Slow is slow. Boring is lacking entertainment. Dry lacks varied enough entertainment.
20090806 05:57:47< VurtualRuler98> Very few people would play Half-Life 2 if it was a constant canal loop.
20090806 05:58:02< Blueblaze> Anyway, I'm not trying to tear down BoL, just figuring out how/why it appeals to a lot of other people :)
20090806 05:58:22< Jean1> heh
20090806 05:58:24< Blueblaze> Since clearly I missed it and I've played/tried to play it maybe 5-10 times
20090806 05:58:28< Al1_> VurtualRuler98: ever heard of a game called Halo?
20090806 05:58:31< Blueblaze> Helped Bob test it actually when it first came out
20090806 05:58:33< Al1_> lots of people play that
20090806 05:58:40< Al1_> :|
20090806 05:58:41< VurtualRuler98> I heard of a Halo: Combat Evolved.
20090806 05:58:45< VurtualRuler98> Which was good for its time.
20090806 05:58:54< Jean1>  guess the public is the same that likes UG, and maybe WC
20090806 05:58:55< VurtualRuler98> Shame they never made any sequels.
20090806 05:59:05< Blueblaze> UG?
20090806 05:59:14< Jean1> Unwelcome Guests
20090806 05:59:18< Blueblaze> ah
20090806 05:59:25< Al1_> I like WC....
20090806 05:59:32< VurtualRuler98> I was about to say "Unoriginal Gameplay" and "Waffle Closets".
20090806 05:59:45< VurtualRuler98> Like, unoriginal gameplay about going into a random closet in a room and there are thousands of waffles stored there.
20090806 06:00:34< Jean1> Blueblaze: It's more RPG and less Strategy, maybe it's that what you don't like?
20090806 06:00:53< VurtualRuler98> RPGs are fun.
20090806 06:01:17< VurtualRuler98> RPGs shoveled and forced-in-with-mean-looking-mask into a TBS engine with tile priority aren't.
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20090806 06:01:21< Blueblaze> Jean1: That's absolutely not the reason :)
20090806 06:01:41< Jean1> Then I don't guess what the reason could be
20090806 06:02:42< VurtualRuler98> Having importantness to every tile in an RPG isn't very good unless it's D&D.
20090806 06:02:46< Jean1> Oh, but it's a one-time play thing
20090806 06:02:56< Blueblaze> True
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20090806 06:03:04< Blueblaze> But still that isn't the factor
20090806 06:04:18< Jean1> Do you like UG, Wesband or SX?
20090806 06:04:52< Blueblaze> I guess I hate long gaps of something happening
20090806 06:05:00< Blueblaze> I haven't played UG
20090806 06:05:09< Blueblaze> I generally do like SX and Wesband though
20090806 06:06:34< Jean1> Then you've got me clueless
20090806 06:07:06< Blueblaze> well
20090806 06:07:18< Blueblaze> In SX and Wesband, you rarely have a turn where you just do nothing but travel
20090806 06:07:30< Blueblaze> In BoL, you can have 10 turns doing that
20090806 06:07:35< Blueblaze> well
20090806 06:07:38< Blueblaze> maybe 5 using teleport
20090806 06:08:08< VurtualRuler98> No ADOM-Wesnoth even?
20090806 06:08:17< Blueblaze> ADOM-Wesnoth?
20090806 06:08:59< Blueblaze> VurtualRuler98: What does that mean?
20090806 06:10:14< VurtualRuler98> Wesnoth.
20090806 06:10:25< VurtualRuler98> Someone making some cheap RPG campaign that's a pun off ADOM.
20090806 06:10:35< Blueblaze> What is ADOM
20090806 06:10:43< VurtualRuler98> The roguelike that scares roguelike masters.
20090806 06:10:44< Jean1> oh, I see, then you will have troubles with UG
20090806 06:11:02< Jean1> yea, that kinda sucks, I agree
20090806 06:11:12< Jean1> having to travel turns and turns ahead
20090806 06:11:27< Jean1> but wesband does have that problem, don't you think?
20090806 06:11:40< Blueblaze> Maybe, I haven't played beyond a few turns
20090806 06:11:46< Blueblaze> loading scenarios to get back to the town annoys me though
20090806 06:11:57< Blueblaze> a few turns = 10-15 or so
20090806 06:12:06< Blueblaze> and the problem isn't that big since you're pretty close to the entrance 
20090806 06:13:29< Jean1> well, once you advance in the dungeons, and you end them, you have to find either the way up or down, and both of them use to be many turns away
20090806 06:13:42< Jean1> and since I like to play with 2 more ppl, it gets QUITE annoying
20090806 06:14:45< VurtualRuler98> No transports?
20090806 06:14:51< Blueblaze> ah
20090806 06:14:53< Blueblaze> I see what you mean
20090806 06:15:03< Blueblaze> Jean1: Seems like playing with a lot of people helps find the exit fast though
20090806 06:15:04< VurtualRuler98> A form of group movement seems like the only option.
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20090806 06:16:35< Cackfiend> anyone good up for a 1v1
20090806 06:16:37< VurtualRuler98> It's not like in D&D, you say "I move 30 meters up to that door", or "I move point one percent of 500 miles to end point" for everyone, in turn.
20090806 06:16:45< ancestral> Ooooh Skullsplitter
20090806 06:17:08< ancestral> I bought this beer one time called Skullsplitter
20090806 06:17:09< Blueblaze> hi Cackfiend :p
20090806 06:17:21 * Blueblaze this Cackfiend didn't take his advice
20090806 06:17:23< ancestral> Would make for a good Undead skeleton unit…
20090806 06:18:20< ancestral> Blueblaze: Could make a good Zombie unit? GEEK ALERT http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=21168
20090806 06:18:58< ancestral> I love how you unintentionally suggested a viable unit name
20090806 06:19:39< Blueblaze> I think Crackling Fiend would be better
20090806 06:19:53< Blueblaze> cause I dunno what a cackling is
20090806 06:20:17< ancestral> I like Krackel Fiend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krackel)
20090806 06:20:54< Blueblaze> I love Krackels
20090806 06:21:04< ancestral> Hmmm interesting
20090806 06:21:12< VurtualRuler98> "Lololololl"
20090806 06:21:13< ancestral> They changed the ingredients… no more cocoa butter
20090806 06:22:00< Blueblaze> cool
20090806 06:22:01< Blueblaze> "these modified recipes which do not contain cocoa butter can not be legally described as milk chocolate."
20090806 06:26:33< ancestral> Fleshripper, Bonecutter
20090806 06:26:43< ancestral> or maybe Boneripper and Fleshcutter?
20090806 06:27:13< Blueblaze> Deathblaze -> Blueblaze
20090806 06:27:17< Blueblaze> we already designated that
20090806 06:27:19< Blueblaze> don't change the plan
20090806 06:27:23< ancestral> So
20090806 06:27:36< ancestral> Flesh/Bone ripper/cutter what sounds good?
20090806 06:28:25< Blueblaze> well
20090806 06:28:28< Blueblaze> You cut flesh and rip bones
20090806 06:28:40< Blueblaze> I guess you could rip flesh too
20090806 06:28:46< Blueblaze> cutting bones is silly
20090806 06:28:57< Blueblaze> Crushing bones makes sense
20090806 06:28:58< ancestral> What if you were a badass skeleton
20090806 06:28:58< VurtualRuler98> deathblade > "Severe IRC channel mixup"
20090806 06:28:59< Blueblaze> Bonecrusher
20090806 06:29:03< ancestral> Hmm
20090806 06:29:05< ancestral> Bonecrusher
20090806 06:29:12< Blueblaze> I would be a bonecrusher personally
20090806 06:29:40< VurtualRuler98> Bonecrusher? Fleshripper? I'm the guy with the gun.
20090806 06:30:18< ancestral> $25,000 question (you don't get paid)
20090806 06:30:33< ancestral> Bonecrusher, Skullsplitter, Ruinblade
20090806 06:30:42< VurtualRuler98> Which one?
20090806 06:30:45< VurtualRuler98> Bonecrusher.
20090806 06:30:52< Blueblaze> Bonecrusher
20090806 06:30:53< ancestral> Rank from lowest to highest in perceivable power
20090806 06:31:18< Ukraneean> Bonecrusher sure
20090806 06:31:20< VurtualRuler98> Fits Wesnoth theme well, doesn't sound like a drunk 8 year old(well, some people haven't upgraded to the "twlilight fan" joke stereotype yet!)'s fanfiction.
20090806 06:31:20< ancestral> How would you rank it
20090806 06:31:40< VurtualRuler98> Ruinblade would be off the branch.
20090806 06:32:04< Blueblaze> Skullsplitter has too many small letters for one word
20090806 06:32:10< Blueblaze> lllitt
20090806 06:32:13< VurtualRuler98> Skullsplitter would either be level 0(bonecrusher level 2), or level 2(bonecrusher level 1).
20090806 06:32:35< Blueblaze> Bonecrusher has nice letter spacing
20090806 06:32:55< Ukraneean> Bonecrusher does have a nice ring to it... skullsplitter sounds like the name of a dude's sword.  Or a wrestler
20090806 06:32:58< VurtualRuler98> You could try a "hardcoreness of material" upgrade.
20090806 06:33:20< Blueblaze> Steelbonecrusher
20090806 06:33:33< VurtualRuler98> (wimpy adjective crusher), (adjective crusher) bonecrusher, metalcrusher.
20090806 06:33:46< VurtualRuler98> Actually, Metal Crusher.
20090806 06:33:47< VurtualRuler98> And glass crusher.
20090806 06:33:57< VurtualRuler98> Because, obviously, glass is more indestructible than metal.
20090806 06:34:25< Blueblaze> Glasscrusher -> Woodcrusher -> Bonecrusher -> Metalcrusher -> Runecrusher
20090806 06:34:36< VurtualRuler98> Nno.
20090806 06:34:42< VurtualRuler98> They all have to sound hardcore.
20090806 06:34:50< Blueblaze> Glasscrusher is hardcore
20090806 06:34:51< VurtualRuler98> Until you see the next one and it's like "even more hardcore!".
20090806 06:34:54< ancestral> So maybe Deathblade → Ruinblade → ??? → Bonecrusher
20090806 06:34:57< Jean1> hey, wood is harder to crush than bone
20090806 06:34:57< VurtualRuler98> "woodcrusher"?
20090806 06:35:00< Blueblaze> ancestral: no
20090806 06:35:11< Blueblaze> oh
20090806 06:35:20< Ukraneean> no it's not
20090806 06:35:24< Blueblaze> ancestral: Deathblades deal blade damage
20090806 06:35:25< Ukraneean> bone is by far much stronger than wood
20090806 06:35:28< Jean1> I find Deathblade quite more ugly than Bonecrusher, in scary I mean
20090806 06:35:29< Blueblaze> Crusher would be incorrect for that unit ;p
20090806 06:35:34< VurtualRuler98> Kitten basher.
20090806 06:35:35< VurtualRuler98> level 0
20090806 06:35:36< Jean1> well, it depends on the bone and the wood
20090806 06:35:42< Blueblaze> Fleshcutter sounds emo but works
20090806 06:35:44< Jean1> but the bone is more crushable than wood
20090806 06:35:55< Ukraneean> but wood splinters easily
20090806 06:35:58< VurtualRuler98> But remember, kids.
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20090806 06:36:03< Jean1> yea, that is what I am saying
20090806 06:36:05< VurtualRuler98> RIP AND TEAR works on anything.
20090806 06:36:12< Ukraneean> bone is a stronger material
20090806 06:36:15< Blueblaze> Skull Ripper
20090806 06:36:17< Ukraneean> it's made of calcium wood is... wood
20090806 06:36:24< VurtualRuler98> Blueblaze, that sounds dirty.
20090806 06:36:25< Blueblaze> Bone Ripper
20090806 06:36:29< Ukraneean> HA!
20090806 06:36:35< VurtualRuler98> "You'd be surprised how a little can make great crushes."
20090806 06:36:39< VurtualRuler98> Stop breaking my conversational skill.
20090806 06:36:40< Blueblaze> Boner Rip
20090806 06:36:54< Blueblaze> ancestral: -^
20090806 06:37:01< ancestral> Yeah you're right
20090806 06:37:05< ancestral> Bonecrusher would be impact
20090806 06:38:54< VurtualRuler98> Skeletal hammerer becomes bonecrusher, then metal crusher.
20090806 06:39:19< ancestral> Wow I'm getting dumber
20090806 06:39:27< Blueblaze> ?
20090806 06:39:38< ancestral> My housemate is watching Meet the Spartans with his fiancee
20090806 06:39:50< ancestral> So bad
20090806 06:39:51< Ukraneean> and here you are on your computer discussing wesnoth unit names
20090806 06:39:53< VurtualRuler98> Ahahaha.
20090806 06:39:57< ancestral> I win this time
20090806 06:39:59< VurtualRuler98> Or, if you can bear such an internet response.
20090806 06:40:00< VurtualRuler98> I lol'd.
20090806 06:40:35< VurtualRuler98> Ukraneean, I'm doing it with extreme pessimism and consistent expectations of no possible gain or advancement due to it.
20090806 06:40:54 * Blueblaze gives VurtualRuler98 one experience point
20090806 06:41:38< VurtualRuler98> Next level in 2,299,999
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20090806 06:51:06< ancestral> Damn
20090806 06:51:22< ancestral> Need two more dead blade skeleton guys
20090806 06:51:38< Jean1> what attack type?
20090806 06:51:39< Jean1> Blade?
20090806 06:51:46< Jean1> What have you got so far?
20090806 06:51:54< VurtualRuler98> "reaver".
20090806 06:52:03< Blueblaze> Bone Reaver
20090806 06:52:04< VurtualRuler98> Also, include some forks for once.
20090806 06:52:07< VurtualRuler98> No, just reaver.
20090806 06:52:08< ancestral> Deathblade -> Ruinblade
20090806 06:52:12< VurtualRuler98> The only thing more ominous than two words.
20090806 06:52:15< VurtualRuler98> Is one.
20090806 06:52:15< ancestral> Well
20090806 06:52:19< Blueblaze> Reaver is a slug like unit in Starcraft
20090806 06:52:25< Blueblaze> It shoots little blue balls that are very powerful
20090806 06:52:26< VurtualRuler98> OOOOR
20090806 06:52:28< Blueblaze> They deal splash damage
20090806 06:52:37< ancestral> Reavers are those guys from Firefly/Serenity
20090806 06:52:38< Blueblaze> Reavers are one of my favorite units in Starcraft
20090806 06:52:40< VurtualRuler98> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/PS2SoulReaver2.JPG
20090806 06:52:53< ancestral> Reaver by definition is technically more of a thieving word
20090806 06:53:13< Jean1> I see
20090806 06:53:14< ancestral> Soulreaver, soulblighter
20090806 06:53:36< Jean1> Reaver, Ripper, Slasher
20090806 06:53:52< VurtualRuler98> No, Reaver should come after the other units.
20090806 06:54:02< VurtualRuler98> Higher level ones before it have two worsd.
20090806 06:54:15< Blueblaze> Skeleton Zealot
20090806 06:54:28< Jean1> Zealot?
20090806 06:54:29< VurtualRuler98> While following the theme, in a lighter tone.
20090806 06:54:41< Jean1> ok, how are the projected units like?
20090806 06:54:43< VurtualRuler98> What are our current ones?
20090806 06:55:10< VurtualRuler98> For the swordy guys.
20090806 06:55:16< VurtualRuler98> I have two top ones that'll do well.
20090806 06:55:23< ancestral> Deathblade -> Ruinblade? -> ??? -> ???
20090806 06:55:31< VurtualRuler98> Skeletal Slayer.
20090806 06:55:37< VurtualRuler98> Then "Reaver".
20090806 06:55:41< Blueblaze> ancestral: What is the Draug line like?
20090806 06:55:46< VurtualRuler98> Deathblade, Ruinblade, Skeletal Slayer, Reaver.
20090806 06:56:01< VurtualRuler98> Follows every naming convention.
20090806 06:56:04< Blueblaze> VurtualRuler98: Seems like a bad idea to go back to the Skelet- base
20090806 06:56:10< Blueblaze> Since Skeleton was the L1 unit
20090806 06:56:15< Blueblaze> then none of the units after that refer back to it
20090806 06:56:16< VurtualRuler98> I know my naming conventions.
20090806 06:56:27< VurtualRuler98> Then find a better adjective.
20090806 06:56:27< Blueblaze> o ok yes boss
20090806 06:56:33< VurtualRuler98> It has to be an adjective giving a sopoky feeling.
20090806 06:56:42< VurtualRuler98> spooky*
20090806 06:56:42< Blueblaze> Deathslayer
20090806 06:56:47< VurtualRuler98> Too immediately dark.
20090806 06:56:53< VurtualRuler98> And it's a conjunction.
20090806 06:57:07< VurtualRuler98> Which doesn't work.
20090806 06:57:13< Blueblaze> Deathblade works
20090806 06:57:18< Jean1> Dreadblade?
20090806 06:57:24< Blueblaze> Dreadblade is too similar to Deathblade
20090806 06:57:36< VurtualRuler98> It should only be scary or "Don't go near it" due to the situation.
20090806 06:57:37< VurtualRuler98> Oh, I know
20090806 06:57:43< VurtualRuler98> Deathblade, Ruinblade, Dread Slayer, Reaver.
20090806 06:57:54< Blueblaze> Dread Slayer sounds thrown together
20090806 06:57:58< Blueblaze> doesn't flow well imo
20090806 06:58:00< VurtualRuler98> It is.
20090806 06:58:08< VurtualRuler98> That's why it sounds thrown together.
20090806 06:58:11< VurtualRuler98> Because it was.
20090806 06:58:19< VurtualRuler98> Also, go watch Dragon Ball Z.
20090806 06:58:32< Blueblaze> Deathbringer
20090806 06:58:36< VurtualRuler98> When the purple mewtwo guy goes more powerful, he's more shocking, a jump, and then simple.
20090806 06:58:42< VurtualRuler98> That's following the rule of how dangerous you are.
20090806 06:58:59< Blueblaze> Soul harvester
20090806 06:59:03< VurtualRuler98> Too long.
20090806 06:59:15< VurtualRuler98> one two is generally good.
20090806 06:59:22< VurtualRuler98> three two is a dangerous pattern and invokes weakness.
20090806 06:59:28< ancestral> Blightsaber :P
20090806 06:59:34< Jean1> lol
20090806 06:59:34< Blueblaze> Soul saber
20090806 06:59:37< Jean1> Yedi?
20090806 06:59:47< VurtualRuler98> conjunction, scarier conjunction, two words, one word.
20090806 06:59:49< Blueblaze> ancestral: Soulsaber or Soul saber = auto win
20090806 06:59:51< Blueblaze> put it in
20090806 06:59:54< Blueblaze> no questions asked
20090806 06:59:58< VurtualRuler98> Sounds too positive.
20090806 07:00:05 * Blueblaze retires and lives off the royalties
20090806 07:00:06< VurtualRuler98> Like, "I HAVE THE POWAR OF GOOD I CLENASE WORLD OF EEVIIL".
20090806 07:00:11< Blueblaze> VurtualRuler98: Everything in Wesnoth is positive sounding
20090806 07:00:12< Jean1> Soulbane?
20090806 07:00:16< VurtualRuler98> Blueblaze, no questions asked=no royalties.
20090806 07:00:25< Blueblaze> Jean1: Folows the ghost line too closely
20090806 07:00:29< VurtualRuler98> You cannot "bane" an everywhere thing.
20090806 07:00:38< Jean1> oh
20090806 07:00:42< Blueblaze> That would work for a ghost, but not for a skeletal  swordsman in Wesnoth
20090806 07:01:29< VurtualRuler98> You could use another adjective.
20090806 07:01:31< VurtualRuler98> "Grimace".
20090806 07:01:36< VurtualRuler98> Then it'll sound like a giant purple tastebud!
20090806 07:01:36< Blueblaze> Grimreaper
20090806 07:01:40< Blueblaze> Grimblade
20090806 07:01:54< Blueblaze> Doomsaber
20090806 07:01:58< Blueblaze> Doom doesn't fit undead well imo
20090806 07:02:04< Blueblaze> If they were demonic sure
20090806 07:02:09< VurtualRuler98> Nah.
20090806 07:02:12< Blueblaze> But they're just skeletons that want a little action
20090806 07:02:14< VurtualRuler98> If they were killing those type of enemies.
20090806 07:02:19< Blueblaze> They're too cute to be doom like
20090806 07:02:33< VurtualRuler98> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Doom-boxart.jpg
20090806 07:03:04< ancestral> Really? http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk/data/core/images/units/undead-skeletal/deathblade.png
20090806 07:03:23< Blueblaze> Yeah, the undead faction isn't much of a hellspawn-like faction
20090806 07:03:26< Blueblaze> ancestral: Yes
20090806 07:03:29< VurtualRuler98> I totally say they stole that off Cell's design.
20090806 07:03:30< Blueblaze> That unit looks pretty cute
20090806 07:03:37< Blueblaze> compared to something from resident evil for example
20090806 07:03:52< Blueblaze> VurtualRuler98: Halo stole the design
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20090806 07:04:05< VurtualRuler98> For what?
20090806 07:04:14< Blueblaze> Main character
20090806 07:04:14< VurtualRuler98> Halo can't steal, it can just be more unoriginal after being original.
20090806 07:04:22< VurtualRuler98> Also, you have no right insulting Halo.
20090806 07:04:27< VurtualRuler98> You're not FPS-known.
20090806 07:04:32< Blueblaze> He looks exactly like Master Chief
20090806 07:04:35< VurtualRuler98> You're just hating it because it's popular and hate-able.
20090806 07:04:43< VurtualRuler98> Also note Master Chief is a trademarked character and design.
20090806 07:04:49< Blueblaze> of course
20090806 07:05:01< VurtualRuler98> While Wesnoth is a bunch of free use type stuff or something.
20090806 07:05:02< ancestral> Unless we parody it
20090806 07:05:11< Blueblaze> But the design of Halo's main character looks exactly lke the design of Doom's main character
20090806 07:05:14< ancestral> But It shall not be parodied in my era
20090806 07:05:15< Blueblaze> Only point I'm making
20090806 07:05:19< VurtualRuler98> Blueblaze, no
20090806 07:05:37< VurtualRuler98> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_anonymous_space_marine_from_DOOM.png Doomguy
20090806 07:05:49< Blueblaze> Boxart
20090806 07:05:53< VurtualRuler98> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/Master_Chief_in_Halo_3.png master chief.
20090806 07:05:59< VurtualRuler98> No, that's an ingame pic though.
20090806 07:06:08< VurtualRuler98> He just has a helmet on, a generic helmet.
20090806 07:06:20< VurtualRuler98> if the helmet reminds you of MC then I hate to tell you, but that's how helmets look.
20090806 07:06:29< Blueblaze> k
20090806 07:06:31< Blueblaze> nvm
20090806 07:06:37 * Blueblaze doesn't feel like talking to you
20090806 07:06:45< VurtualRuler98> Good, I can talk to other people more.
20090806 07:06:52< VurtualRuler98> And properly distribute unhappy.
20090806 07:07:10< VurtualRuler98> The chest ridges, details, all different.
20090806 07:08:19< VurtualRuler98> Space Marines were the thing back then, and green was too.
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20090806 07:44:46< Jean-Pierre> Man, just now I see the changes in 1.7, and Dwarvish Scout is mainline? Like in Default Era, or just inside Core files?
20090806 07:45:26< Blueblaze> Try playing the game to find out :p
20090806 07:45:39< Blueblaze> There are many units that are not MP mainline yet are in the core files
20090806 07:45:53< ancestral> It's not Default multi
20090806 07:46:13< ancestral> And from what the devs told me, probably won't be, or won't be any time soon
20090806 07:46:37< ancestral> It'll join the ranks of Dwarvish Runemaster and Chocobone
20090806 07:46:47< Jean-Pierre> Yes, I know, like Royal Warrior, Yeti and all those
20090806 07:47:33< Jean-Pierre> Oh, ok, because if it would be in Default Era, that would sort of mean quite a strategy change when playing Knalgans
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20090806 07:59:16< Ukraneean> chocobone!
20090806 07:59:17< Ukraneean> :D
20090806 07:59:34< ancestral> Ridiculous it's even in mainline
20090806 07:59:45< Ukraneean> skeletons on ostriches
20090806 08:00:07< Blueblaze> undead ostriches*
20090806 08:00:13< Blueblaze> Get it right :P
20090806 08:00:15< Ukraneean> *from an ancient civilization
20090806 08:00:16< Ukraneean> ;)
20090806 08:02:35< Jean-Pierre> the horseman/knight's bane!
20090806 08:02:53< Ukraneean> totally
20090806 08:04:20< Jean-Pierre> good night folk
20090806 08:04:27< Blueblaze> night
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20090806 08:09:35< Valkier> Someone give me something to watch/listen to on Hulu while I draw.
20090806 08:10:12< Blueblaze> k
20090806 08:10:41< Valkier> If it's Inu Yasha, I send Wesley Snipes over to do your taxes.
20090806 08:10:48< Valkier> Those in the know will understand that threat.
20090806 08:11:03< Blueblaze> Valkier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yocWxAA_OZs&feature=PlayList&p=50A1D11B74B99848&index=0&playnext=1
20090806 08:11:06< Blueblaze> Just listen to that and draw
20090806 08:11:36< Valkier> This is going to make me rage.
20090806 08:11:58< Blueblaze> k
20090806 08:12:43< Valkier> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs
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20090806 08:35:38< Blueblaze> elias: Does GrabberBot work anymore?
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20090806 09:03:42< Valkier> When does the party in here start?
20090806 09:04:10< Blueblaze> after you leave
20090806 09:04:14< Blueblaze> kidding (maybe?)
20090806 09:04:32 * Blueblaze is being unnecessarily unkind tonight
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20090806 09:30:39< Valkier> Eh
20090806 09:30:48< Valkier> It's pretty hard to be mean over the internet.
20090806 09:31:08< Blueblaze> hey Ken_Oh
20090806 09:31:50< Valkier> I'm just working on a portrait anyhow.
20090806 09:32:03< Valkier> Probably can't pay enough attention to have a very free flowing conversation :-P
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20090806 09:40:15< grom358> what license is the art work for wesnoth under?
20090806 09:40:59< Blueblaze> GPL v2
20090806 09:41:27< grom358> I didn't think GPL could cover artwork
20090806 09:42:29< noy> why not?
20090806 09:42:36< noy> its a tangible item
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20090806 09:44:18< grom358> idk.. just though it was a code license.. guess I was wrong
20090806 09:45:05< zookeeper> well it's obviously not very suitable for artwork
20090806 09:45:09< zookeeper> depending on the artwork, of course
20090806 09:46:08< zookeeper> AFAIK a court might very well decide either way if it ever came to that.
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20090806 09:55:35< grom358> is there any other open source games that are similar to wesnoth?
20090806 09:55:51< Rhonda> In what way similar? Gameplay? Setting?
20090806 09:57:13< grom358> yeah.. gameplay. Was just wondering if there is something that has ranged attacks where you can attack from a couple of hexes away
20090806 09:57:49< Valkier> Haven't seen one.
20090806 09:58:03< Valkier> Wesnoth is one of the more polished opensource games I've seen in a long while really.
20090806 09:58:11< Rhonda> Would be a good idea, having a second row being able to attack with ranged weapons. :)
20090806 09:58:12< grom358> yeah.. I really like wesnoth
20090806 09:58:31< grom358> but I got some my ideas of my own I want to try to add in..
20090806 09:59:10< Valkier> You can try them yourself and then submit it. I think they provide all the code for anyone to compile and rework themselves.
20090806 09:59:41< grom358> yeah.. well look at it.. wonder what language this is written in
20090806 10:00:09< Valkier> Maybe german..?
20090806 10:00:12< Valkier> I dunno ^_^
20090806 10:00:20< Valkier> I just draw the pretty pictures.
20090806 10:00:26< grom358> I mean.. like C or C++ etc
20090806 10:00:44< zookeeper> the engine is c++, all the content is in WML which is a custom markup/scripting language
20090806 10:02:30< grom358> yeah thought it might be c++.. with SDL I assume
20090806 10:04:02< Valkier> Guess I'll ask this here since the dev chat is sooo lively.
20090806 10:04:17< Valkier> Anyone think the Deathblade portrait can get along without him holding the second axe?
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20090806 14:39:15< Chakravanti> http://xkcd.com/520/
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20090806 15:11:51< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=26522
20090806 15:12:13< Aethaeryn> rofl. It has now become a regenerates vs. skirmisher *war*. I bet heals wins.
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20090806 17:11:39< Shooree> Could I vent my frustration and possibly get some advice? Ok, thanks! Why the hell do allied leaders rush off to their death in IftU, before I have any vhance of helping them?! How am I supposed to finish the scenario if my stupid dwaven friend jums into a demon's mouth by turn 12? Is something wrong with me or what? Campaign: IftU ver 1.12 on Wesnoth 1.6.4
20090806 17:12:43< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: -^
20090806 17:13:04< Shooree> sorry for the typos. I've wasted the entire morning trying to find a way to keep the dwarven leader alive on the "An Errand of Hope" scenario. I'm frustrated beyond description. He just runs off and dies.
20090806 17:13:42< Shooree> My guys can't even make it to his camp by that time... just sad. I love the story and everything else so much.
20090806 17:14:00< Shooree> anyone with similar troubles got a solution?
20090806 17:14:12< lizard_r> Shooree: as a workarround you can play the AI yourself
20090806 17:14:19< Shooree> :O
20090806 17:14:27< lizard_r> which side (number) is  the Ally
20090806 17:14:28< Shooree> I never thought of that
20090806 17:14:34< Shooree> uh
20090806 17:14:36< Shooree> let me see
20090806 17:15:24< Shooree> lizard_r: what am I supposed to be looking for exactly?
20090806 17:15:28< lizard_r> do you know how to open wesnoth's "command line"
20090806 17:15:40< lizard_r> Shooree: press alt+s
20090806 17:15:44< Shooree> oh ok]
20090806 17:15:49< Shooree> it was under "more"
20090806 17:15:51< lizard_r> now, which position is you ally
20090806 17:15:55< Shooree> 2
20090806 17:16:05< Shooree> the stupid one is 2, that is
20090806 17:16:18< lizard_r> open the command line by pressing ":"
20090806 17:16:29< Shooree> ok
20090806 17:16:33< lizard_r> type debug
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20090806 17:16:51< Shooree> yesss?
20090806 17:16:54< lizard_r> type "debug" then enter
20090806 17:17:00< Shooree> ok, done that
20090806 17:17:02< lizard_r> then enter "droid 2"
20090806 17:17:34< Shooree> but I can't seem to get the command line again
20090806 17:17:45< lizard_r> enter :
20090806 17:17:46< Shooree> it says debug mode activated in the top corner
20090806 17:17:56< Shooree> I am, nothing's happening
20090806 17:18:14< Shooree> disregard that, I suck balls >.>
20090806 17:18:21< lizard_r> caps lock ar nything suspicious?
20090806 17:18:42< Shooree> everything's fine
20090806 17:18:47< Shooree> I'm just lying down
20090806 17:18:59< Shooree> having trouble hitting the right keys
20090806 17:19:02< Shooree> :)
20090806 17:19:12< Shooree> thanks a lot, liz
20090806 17:19:14< Shooree> er
20090806 17:19:16< Shooree> lizard_r: 
20090806 17:19:33< Shooree> how do I RELINQUISH CONTROL?
20090806 17:19:43< Shooree> damn typos
20090806 17:19:44< lizard_r> now use "nodebug" if you want to avoid some confusion :-)
20090806 17:19:55< Shooree> what do you mean by that?
20090806 17:20:04< Blueblaze> Shooree: You give the AI control of it, type ":droid 2" again
20090806 17:20:13< Blueblaze> It simply toggles it on and off
20090806 17:20:35< Shooree> and should I run 'nodebug' right now?
20090806 17:20:45< lizard_r> you don't have to
20090806 17:20:55< Blueblaze> I'd recommend it unless you want to see a massive wall of text
20090806 17:21:01< Blueblaze> From the AI's turn
20090806 17:21:13< Shooree> but the droid thing remains active?
20090806 17:21:16< Shooree> after nodebug
20090806 17:21:18< Blueblaze> Correct
20090806 17:21:20< Shooree> good
20090806 17:21:23< Shooree> thanks so much
20090806 17:21:27 * Soliton notes that droid is not a debug mode command.
20090806 17:21:47< Shooree> wish I had internet at work... would have saved me about three hours of frustration
20090806 17:23:27< Soliton> you shoild droid the side before the end of the game again or risk messing up savegames, btw.
20090806 17:23:39< Soliton> s/game/scenario/
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20090806 21:34:14< blarumyrran> cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN-SPIDER
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20090806 22:53:29< grzywacz> I'll just leave it here: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=26554
20090806 22:53:30< grzywacz> ;>
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