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20090807 05:32:45< Aethaeryn> Turuk: Damn it, it's not working. I *really* had faith in the irony/sarcasm mark؟
20090807 05:33:00< Turuk> good luck, you're barking up the wrong tree with him
20090807 05:34:05< Aethaeryn> If the "؟" doesn't work I may just have to resort to the commoner way of using smilies again.
20090807 05:35:14< Aethaeryn> Damn the vulgar grammar of the common people and their crappy, swear-word filled sentences؟
20090807 05:38:30< Turuk> pssh
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20090807 06:16:21< Al1_> omfg...
20090807 06:16:24< Al1_> blueblaze unband me
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20090807 06:16:29< conor> its me
20090807 06:16:49< conor> Blueblaze....
20090807 06:17:36< conor> ...........someone unban me?
20090807 06:18:15< Blueblaze> learn not to troll on the server
20090807 06:18:19< conor> omg
20090807 06:18:24< Blueblaze> You'll be unbanned in a day
20090807 06:18:28< conor> wtf
20090807 06:18:38< conor> your telling me
20090807 06:18:42< conor> that people like sublime
20090807 06:18:45< conor> have never trolled
20090807 06:18:56< Blueblaze> Your behavior was warned
20090807 06:19:10< conor> this is ridiculous
20090807 06:19:17< conor> i changed my name
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20090807 06:19:19< conor> i didnt spam
20090807 06:19:30< conor> and i got rid of all but one
20090807 06:19:52< conor> people have multiples all the time
20090807 06:20:03< conor> and it wasnt trolling god
20090807 06:20:22< Valkier> I'd imagine trolling god would be hard anyhow.
20090807 06:20:28< Valkier> He'd kinda know what you were gonna do.
20090807 06:20:29< conor> ....
20090807 06:20:48< conor> this is utter bs
20090807 06:21:07< Valkier> But cows produce milk...
20090807 06:21:18< conor> see, Blueblaze that is trolling
20090807 06:21:32< Valkier> No, this is instigating.
20090807 06:21:39< conor> which is what trolling is
20090807 06:21:44< conor> i wasnt doing that
20090807 06:21:54< Valkier> Clearly not, or else they would be spelled the same.
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20090807 06:23:56< Valkier> My epeen swells with pride over the victory I have just exuded from the digital corpse of conor!
20090807 06:23:59 * Valkier wins
20090807 06:24:08< conor> stfu troll
20090807 06:24:11< conor> ban
20090807 06:24:18< Valkier> I gain 15 experience and 5 gold
20090807 06:24:21< Valkier> I also find a potion
20090807 06:24:42< Valkier> Now now, harsh acronymns are never the answer.
20090807 06:25:00< Turuk> Tsk tsk
20090807 06:25:02< Turuk> Play nice kiddies
20090807 06:25:03< noy> conor: you're really not helping your case
20090807 06:25:11< conor> what am i supposed to do
20090807 06:25:21< noy> take it in the teeth and wait a day?
20090807 06:25:38< conor> its obvious that it doesnt matter what i say the admins have their hierarchy
20090807 06:25:50< Turuk> So you deny any and all instances of you doing anything wrong?
20090807 06:25:53< conor> no
20090807 06:26:03< conor> but i dont think that what i did warrants a ban
20090807 06:26:14< noy> Well according to the rules, it does!
20090807 06:26:15< conor> i wasnt abusing the chat
20090807 06:26:22< conor> i wasnt stealing anyones name
20090807 06:26:29< conor> i just made a variation
20090807 06:26:49< conor> which could not be assumed to be that person in anyway
20090807 06:26:50< Ukraneean> you bent the letter of the law but you broke the spirit?
20090807 06:27:02< Valkier> Oh man, you broke that rule?
20090807 06:27:15< conor> what do you mean?
20090807 06:27:20< Valkier> Tough luck bro. That's a nasty one.
20090807 06:28:12< Jean-Pierre> what the hell did you do, conor?
20090807 06:28:17< conor> ask them
20090807 06:28:25< conor> i changed my name to subNub
20090807 06:28:32< conor> apparently that warrants a ban
20090807 06:28:34< ancestral> ♥ ☀ ☺ ♥
20090807 06:28:50< conor> like noone has ever done that....
20090807 06:29:01< noy> everyone who has that we've seen got a ban
20090807 06:29:11< conor> hes a friend!
20090807 06:29:12< noy> like the person who did noy2 and noy3 two days ago
20090807 06:29:17< Jean-Pierre> hmm... I though they were friends
20090807 06:29:32< noy> a friend who just got banned for excessive chat
20090807 06:29:39< ancestral> Can I say something?
20090807 06:29:40< Jean-Pierre> well, was subLime offended?
20090807 06:29:45< noy> no ancestral you can't
20090807 06:29:52< noy> neither should Jean-Pierre 
20090807 06:29:55< ancestral> Wow, that was…
20090807 06:29:59< ancestral> um, okay
20090807 06:30:03< noy> are you a moderator? 
20090807 06:30:05< ancestral> Guess I'll leave
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20090807 06:30:09< Jean-Pierre> I mean, we always call him subNoob in our games, just as he calls me Billie Jean, we are just joking around
20090807 06:30:18< Ukraneean> no no that's Lamarc
20090807 06:30:22< Ukraneean> who calls you BillieJean
20090807 06:30:23< Jean-Pierre> um, ok then
20090807 06:30:29< Jean-Pierre> ohh, but he does it too
20090807 06:31:07< noy> Good to know. We had Sublime who was flaming people, subLime who was already warned about excessive chat, and then a spoof account by conor
20090807 06:31:17< conor> it wasnt a spoof
20090807 06:31:27< noy> probably wasn't in your best interest to be that place and time. 
20090807 06:32:06< noy> and after being warned about changing your name, you persisted
20090807 06:33:07< conor> i did not
20090807 06:33:15< conor> i was warned to remove all of my accounts
20090807 06:33:17< conor> which i did
20090807 06:33:25< conor> i was about to speak
20090807 06:33:28< conor> and then got banned
20090807 06:33:37< noy> Well you weren't fast enough
20090807 06:33:41< conor> spoofing attack is a situation in which one person or program successfully masquerades as another by falsifying data and thereby gaining an illegitimate advantage.
20090807 06:33:58< conor> would you say i succesfully masqueraded myself as another?
20090807 06:33:59< noy> You got warned, you didn't correct the behavior fast enough
20090807 06:34:13< noy> there was a whole bunch of people with the same name causing trouble
20090807 06:34:24< noy> so really its YOUR fault you got banned. 
20090807 06:34:27< noy> you got fair warning
20090807 06:34:32< conor> of course its my fault
20090807 06:34:35< noy> You're not going to win this argument.
20090807 06:34:41< conor> but im saying that the punishment does not fit the crime
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20090807 06:35:00< conor> i wasnt causing trouble
20090807 06:35:03< noy> No, there was a group of people causing trouble with the same name, you were part of that group
20090807 06:35:14< conor> what trouble?
20090807 06:35:15< noy> Your fault for association. 
20090807 06:35:21< conor> spamming?
20090807 06:35:31< conor> if youl remember sublime was the one kicked for flaming
20090807 06:35:41< conor> i was banned for trolling
20090807 06:35:43< noy> actually both were, for different reasons
20090807 06:35:44< Ukraneean> ah the stork who flies with cranes shall be shot
20090807 06:36:00< Valkier> Only cause they're just as tasty.
20090807 06:36:01< noy> and you've had several different spoofs of the same name
20090807 06:36:07< conor> yes
20090807 06:36:10< conor> which when told
20090807 06:36:11< conor> i shut down
20090807 06:36:16< Ukraneean> no i believe it was an Aesop's fable? Cranes ruin harvests or something
20090807 06:36:17< conor> and they werent spoofs
20090807 06:36:29< conor> i was not masquerading
20090807 06:36:32< noy> Again, take it in the teeth like a man.
20090807 06:36:33< conor> i was parodying
20090807 06:36:56< conor> noy isnt it my right to defend myself?
20090807 06:37:04< conor> or is that bannable on this server as well
20090807 06:37:05< noy> You've already been judged
20090807 06:37:13< noy> by three moderators too
20090807 06:37:39< noy> And to be honest, you haven't really said anything at all that makes me question it
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20090807 06:40:42< conor> Alright, sorry I just got caught up in the heat, thing is sublime and I are friends and we were just messing around, I was confused when I was issued the warnings and I got rid of all the accounts except one and then was banned.  I'm not sure if it was because of confusion or what have you but I believe that I didn't do anything serious, and that when told I was doing something serious and I was punished in the act of ceasing be that as 
20090807 06:41:59< Valkier> I'm not certain anyone is asking you if you think it's fair. They're telling you what it is.
20090807 06:42:26< Valkier> I'd quit where you're at so there's a chance they don't make the ban permenant.
20090807 06:43:17< Blueblaze> conor: Just be thankful your ban is very short as it potentialy could have been quite longer. Just come back and play in a day with a positive manner and everything will be as normal.
20090807 06:44:41< conor> fine, im sorry
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20090807 08:17:12< Valkier> I would just like to warn you all
20090807 08:17:27< Valkier> Although I have been drinking.. a lot.. I will still be finishing up my deathblade portrait
20090807 08:17:42< Valkier> However, it may or may not be influenced by 10 shots of whiskey.
20090807 08:18:48< Valkier> On a completely unrelated note.. who else thinks that bees coming out of a skull totally rips?
20090807 08:19:16< Jean-Pierre> poison bee bite attack? :-P
20090807 08:20:13< Valkier> Hellz yeah
20090807 08:20:16< Valkier> And then some
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20090807 08:25:14< Ukraneean> that's pretty awesome
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20090807 08:55:15< Cackfiend> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=6601&p=374698#p374698
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20090807 09:16:50< Valkier> Jesus am I ripped
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20090807 10:18:38< Ivanovic> moin
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20090807 10:22:35< ancestral> Undead done
20090807 10:22:36< ancestral> Whew
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20090807 10:24:09< Jean-Pierre> how is your era going?
20090807 10:24:17< Jean-Pierre> ancestral
20090807 10:24:27< ancestral> Done
20090807 10:24:31< ancestral> It's available
20090807 10:24:45< ancestral> I need to make some small revisions but it's ready
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20090807 10:25:24< ancestral> Jean-Pierre: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=374703#p374703
20090807 10:25:41< ancestral> I need some artwork for Chimera and Gargoyle now, hehe
20090807 10:25:52< Jean-Pierre> hmm
20090807 10:26:03< Jean-Pierre> up to date in addon server?
20090807 10:26:11< ancestral> Yes
20090807 10:26:39< ancestral> If I didn't need to go to bed I'd play with you :)
20090807 10:26:54< Jean-Pierre> tomorrow or some other day then
20090807 10:26:57< Jean-Pierre> I need to sleep too
20090807 10:27:25< ancestral> Could be fun in games with a low XP %
20090807 10:27:27< Jean-Pierre> But I like the always leveling concept
20090807 10:27:33< Jean-Pierre> yea, like RR
20090807 10:27:37< ancestral> Could also be fun in Survival
20090807 10:28:09< Jean-Pierre> true
20090807 10:28:13< Ukraneean> jean ur turn
20090807 10:28:14< Jean-Pierre> very good in survival
20090807 10:28:19< Ukraneean> :D
20090807 10:28:20< Jean-Pierre> lmao
20090807 10:28:25< Ukraneean> take ur turn :D
20090807 10:28:25< Ukraneean> lol
20090807 10:29:12< ancestral> Hmmm, already see an error hehe
20090807 10:29:53< ancestral> Fallen 41 HP → 51 HP
20090807 10:30:43< Jean-Pierre> but whight has 54
20090807 10:30:48< Jean-Pierre> Wight
20090807 10:31:16< Jean-Pierre> he can't just gain 3hp in one not AMLA
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20090807 10:32:31< Jean-Pierre> so, they actually get to level 5 and 6? that can ruin any economy :-P
20090807 10:33:40< ancestral> Hmm?
20090807 10:33:49< ancestral> They get to level 5
20090807 10:33:53< ancestral> All units go to 5 :)
20090807 10:33:54< Ukraneean> you suck jean!
20090807 10:33:56< Ukraneean> lmao
20090807 10:33:58< ancestral> Haha
20090807 10:34:52< Jean-Pierre> told ya to surrender while you still had your chance ;-)
20090807 10:34:58< Ukraneean> yea right!
20090807 10:35:12< Ukraneean> that was a foolish mistake
20090807 10:36:21< Jean-Pierre> true, it was foolish not to surrender :-P
20090807 10:36:38< Ukraneean> oh right I was beating you though.
20090807 10:36:45< Ukraneean> had a new leader been elected we would have won
20090807 10:37:34< Blueblaze> Jean-Pierre: RR?
20090807 10:37:45< Jean-Pierre> Royal Rumble
20090807 10:37:57< Blueblaze> o
20090807 10:38:26< Jean-Pierre> oh, level 5, of course, the bat and the zombie lines start at lvl 0
20090807 10:38:29< Ukraneean> I should have known better than to fight against the chinese empire allegory
20090807 10:38:33< Ukraneean> they'll just kill your leader :P
20090807 10:38:43< Jean-Pierre> lol, I think they are japaneese
20090807 10:38:48< ancestral> Yeah Bat and Zombies are gonna be cool
20090807 10:38:55< Ukraneean> Empire's guard?
20090807 10:38:59< Ukraneean> Japanese Empire?
20090807 10:39:02< Ukraneean> with spears?
20090807 10:39:19< Ukraneean> clearly set pre-1900's? 
20090807 10:39:28< Jean-Pierre> Ninja and Samurai are pretty japaneese to me
20090807 10:39:36< Ukraneean> yes but they are the Emperor's guard
20090807 10:39:43< Ukraneean> and there was no japanese empire
20090807 10:39:49< Jean-Pierre> check out ancestral's era
20090807 10:39:49< Ukraneean> the name of the faction proves you wrong
20090807 10:39:55< Ukraneean> i already downloaded it
20090807 10:40:11< Jean-Pierre> ok, let's play it tomorrow or one of this days
20090807 10:40:19< ancestral> Sounds good
20090807 10:40:24< Ukraneean> tomorrow I have to make reparations
20090807 10:40:24< ancestral> Goodnight folks
20090807 10:40:30< Jean-Pierre> good night!
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20090807 10:40:34< Jean-Pierre> now I can rest in peace
20090807 10:40:40< Ukraneean> grr
20090807 10:40:45< Ukraneean> lol... cya man
20090807 10:40:46< Ukraneean> im off
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20090807 10:40:50< Jean-Pierre> c ya
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20090807 10:43:33< Jean-Pierre> ok now it's my time, good night Blueblaze, good night everyone
20090807 10:43:40< Blueblaze> night Jean-Pierre
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20090807 11:19:17< n3penthe> hello
20090807 11:26:38< Blueblaze> hi
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20090807 11:52:50< Blueblaze> hey Ken_Oh
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20090807 11:55:05< n3penthe> anyone for t2 league?
20090807 11:55:10< n3penthe> ops wrong channel
20090807 11:55:10< n3penthe> :D
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20090807 17:34:03< beo> hey. which page should I go to if I'm having a problem? is there a faq or anything?
20090807 17:36:08< zookeeper> try the forums
20090807 17:36:19< zookeeper> (search first, post if you don't find)
20090807 17:37:18< zookeeper> or just ask on this channel
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20090807 17:42:01< beo> okey dokey. when I change languages in-game, not much seems to happen. running windows xp. is this common?
20090807 17:42:38< Blarumyrran> probably not
20090807 17:50:13< zookeeper> what language and did you try restarting the game after you made the choice?
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20090807 17:50:53< zookeeper> most translations aren't 100% complete and quite a few are very incomplete, and all the untranslated text shows up in the original english
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20090807 18:58:41< beo> thanks, zookeeper. I later found that my translation isn't being maintained. 
20090807 18:59:05< Aethaeryn> beo: what language?
20090807 18:59:13< beo> spanish
20090807 18:59:41< Aethaeryn> I think that shadowmaster used to maintain it, if you want to take it over
20090807 19:00:05< beo> my spanish, unfortunately, isn't good enough. the plan was to learn a bunch of words by playing wesnoth :)
20090807 19:00:15< beo> else I'd volunteer.
20090807 19:00:27< Aethaeryn> Ah.
20090807 19:00:58< Aethaeryn> Well, welcome to my world. Tried to play Wesnoth in Latin, but it was abandonned-ish in 1.2.
20090807 19:01:19< Aethaeryn> Tbh, the only language more fitting than Latin for Wesnoth is Welsh, because the human names are all pseudo-Welsh anyway :P
20090807 19:01:53< beo> last time I played wesnoth was circa 1.2
20090807 19:02:00< Aethaeryn> Old or Middle English Wesnoth would be interesting as well
20090807 19:02:00< beo> spanish was up to date then. 
20090807 19:02:20< beo> good luck finding someone to maintain that one. 
20090807 19:03:06< Soliton> spanish is pretty complete: http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.lang.php?version=branch&package=&lang=es
20090807 19:03:28< Aethaeryn> beo: My plan is as following:
20090807 19:03:31< Aethaeryn> (1) Build a time machine.
20090807 19:03:38< Aethaeryn> (2) Kidnap whoever wrote Beowulf.
20090807 19:03:48< Aethaeryn> (3) Force them to learn modern English.
20090807 19:03:59< Aethaeryn> (4) Get him to translate Wesnoth into Old English.
20090807 19:04:06< shadowmaster> jo-
20090807 19:04:09< shadowmaster> er, hi.
20090807 19:04:17< beo> Well, that's simple enough. Why haven't you done it already?
20090807 19:04:24< Aethaeryn> beo: because of the last two steps
20090807 19:04:28< Aethaeryn> (5) ???
20090807 19:04:40< Aethaeryn> (6) *Don't* profit, it's open source after way.
20090807 19:04:48< beo> Ah. 
20090807 19:04:50< Aethaeryn> *after all or anyway ;)
20090807 19:04:58< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yes, I used to maintain it. I officially abandoned it some time ago.
20090807 19:05:23< beo> soliton: can I get that to work with windows xp? my linux box is down and I don't know if/how gettext works on windows. 
20090807 19:05:29< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: otherwise I'd not have time or interest on coding
20090807 19:05:57< Soliton> beo: so you switched to spanish and restarted wesnoth and nothing was in spanish?
20090807 19:06:09< beo> i supposedly installed it in spanish. 
20090807 19:06:12< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: understandable. Deleting spam pages takes up enough time, and that's just less than an hour on the wiki. Actually translating something constantly-changing for Wesnoth must be a much harder task.
20090807 19:06:35< beo> i'll switch and restart, see what happens.
20090807 19:06:36< Soliton> what's that supposed to mean?
20090807 19:06:49< beo> there's a language option when you install. i picked espanol. 
20090807 19:07:03< Soliton> that's independent of wesnoth.
20090807 19:07:15< beo> oh. hehe. 
20090807 19:07:21< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Spanish looks pretty complete though.
20090807 19:07:28< Aethaeryn> Besides the editor.
20090807 19:08:15< shadowmaster> so I guess ilor continued changing strings in the editor textdomain in 1.6?
20090807 19:08:23< Aethaeryn> Maybe < 20 untranslated lines. 
20090807 19:08:39< shadowmaster> or are you talking about trunk, which shouldn't even be discussed?
20090807 19:09:17< beo> the link is to 1.6.
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20090807 19:10:08< Xjs> hey, could it be that in 1.7.2 the »Scepter of Fire« scenario in Heir to the Throne is broken?
20090807 19:10:24< shadowmaster> in what way.
20090807 19:10:31< beo> selected spanish, restarted, we're still in english. 
20090807 19:10:32< Soliton> yes.
20090807 19:10:39< Soliton> fixed in the next version.
20090807 19:10:42< Xjs> what happens to me is that all characters disappear except Konrad, and he gets degraded (was Lord, is now Commander)
20090807 19:11:02< shadowmaster> beo: are you using windows?
20090807 19:11:14< beo> shadowmaster: totally. linux box broke and I'm sad :(
20090807 19:11:19< shadowmaster> oh wait, you are. Never mind, I have no idea how to solve any basic problem with windows.
20090807 19:11:35< Soliton> check stderr.txt
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20090807 19:13:15< Aethaeryn> Xjs: bring up the command prompt with ":" and type "debug" and then type "n" and hit enter. This will allow you to skip a broken scenario, and hopefully finish playing.
20090807 19:13:29< Aethaeryn> Hopefully.
20090807 19:13:43< Xjs> Aethaeryn: I tried that, the next one will be broken too, then
20090807 19:13:52< Aethaeryn> ah, okay then
20090807 19:14:08< Xjs> well, I'll wait then
20090807 19:14:11< Aethaeryn> Xjs: Then get the fixed file from Soliton (I would say SVN but it's down right now) and patch it yourself.
20090807 19:14:19< Aethaeryn> just replacing the scenario.cfg
20090807 19:14:27< Soliton> it's not a WML error.
20090807 19:14:29< Aethaeryn> oh
20090807 19:14:30< Aethaeryn> damn
20090807 19:14:52< Soliton> if you use windows i can build a binary though that might work.
20090807 19:15:00< beo> is the 1.7 branch that much different from 1.6?
20090807 19:15:07< Xjs> I'm using Mac OS X, Soliton
20090807 19:15:14< Aethaeryn> beo: not at this point, as it is still at 1.7.2
20090807 19:15:18< shadowmaster> beo: there's a whole new campaign
20090807 19:15:22< Aethaeryn> The higher the third number, the more different it will be
20090807 19:15:35< shadowmaster> and many new bugs
20090807 19:15:43< Aethaeryn> Generally, the changes early on in a development version are just things that would break compatibility like reordering folders.
20090807 19:16:09< Aethaeryn> Almost every directory structure change happens early on in a development version, I think.
20090807 19:16:15< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: no.
20090807 19:16:24< Aethaeryn> No?
20090807 19:16:28< Aethaeryn> Hmm, I guess I'm wrong then.
20090807 19:16:30< Blarumyrran> no
20090807 19:16:38< Aethaeryn> Thus the "I think"
20090807 19:17:27< beo> i'm going to copy stderr.txt into a paste bin. anyone remember one? I've totally forgot 'em.
20090807 19:17:49< Aethaeryn> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com
20090807 19:17:50< shadowmaster> beo: wesnoth.pastebin.com
20090807 19:17:57< beo> thanks
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20090807 19:18:14< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Great minds think alike? (And decide to read the topic in the other channel?)
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20090807 19:18:30< shadowmaster> I don't need to read the topic.
20090807 19:18:34< shadowmaster> *didn't.
20090807 19:18:46< Valkier> We have topics?
20090807 19:18:50< Aethaeryn> I knew it was wesnoth.pastebin.com, but I wanted to be sure
20090807 19:18:53< shadowmaster> Valkier: /topic
20090807 19:19:21< Valkier> Craziness
20090807 19:19:36< Aethaeryn> Agreed.
20090807 19:20:07< Aethaeryn> Most topics are too long that they only fit the length of the screen on my 23'' widescreen monitor, not my laptop screen
20090807 19:20:12< Aethaeryn> One channel is too long
20090807 19:20:28< beo> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m5979f749 is my stderr. doesn't seem like any errors really popped up. 
20090807 19:20:53< shadowmaster> Valkier: if you are new to IRC, I suggest http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
20090807 19:21:05< shadowmaster> (although it doesn't cover /TOPIC, ironically.)
20090807 19:21:35< Aethaeryn> Bah, real IRC powerusers don't need manuals, tutorials, or helps. They just install irssi and dive right in. Sink or swim. ;)
20090807 19:21:44< Xjs> Many IRC tutorials nowadays assume that the IRC client displays the channel topic prominently.
20090807 19:22:14< Aethaeryn> Xjs: Many IRC tutorials probably assume that the IRC client is mIRC for Windows and X-Chat for Linux.
20090807 19:22:20< Soliton> beo: post one from when you change language.
20090807 19:22:24< Aethaeryn> People don't like choices, they like to follow someone else's choice.
20090807 19:22:28< Xjs> ohyeah.
20090807 19:22:41< beo> in my prefs file, locale="es_ES"
20090807 19:22:59< Aethaeryn> And people in IRC prefer dark text on light backgrounds instead of light text on dark backgrounds. :(
20090807 19:23:23< Xjs> I don't.
20090807 19:23:35< Aethaeryn> At least, that's what people assume... 
20090807 19:23:44< Blarumyrran> That's what you assume people assume
20090807 19:23:46< Soliton> irssi assumes the opposite.
20090807 19:23:46< Aethaeryn> I haven't seen an IRC client that defaults to light on dark.
20090807 19:23:47< Xjs> I prefer dark text on darker backgrounds, with only a bit contrast.
20090807 19:24:04< Aethaeryn> Except irssi, which assumes you use an old school terminal.
20090807 19:24:36< Aethaeryn> I have never seen so many irssi users together in one channel.
20090807 19:24:41< Xjs> irssi doesn't assume anything.
20090807 19:24:41< Soliton> there are plenty of other terminal based irc clients.
20090807 19:24:48< Aethaeryn> Before Freenode.
20090807 19:24:53< Xjs> If your terminal is dark-on-light, your irssi will be dark-on-light, too
20090807 19:24:55< Soliton> well, try irssi on a white background then.
20090807 19:25:06< Soliton> without reverse video.
20090807 19:25:11< Aethaeryn> irssi on a white background needs some kind of tweaking
20090807 19:25:14< Aethaeryn> because the names are in white
20090807 19:25:23< shadowmaster> irssi on a white background is painful
20090807 19:25:28< Aethaeryn> and names of people who say your name are in yellow
20090807 19:25:37< Aethaeryn> you need a *completely* different theme.
20090807 19:25:39< shadowmaster> yes, of course you could change to a different theme, but I kind of like the default theme
20090807 19:25:44< Aethaeryn> So do I.
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20090807 19:26:00< Aethaeryn> For the different looks, what I do is use a different terminal thing
20090807 19:26:27< jannis> My irssi here uses black for nicknames as soon as I switch to black-on-white. (I'm Xjs)
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20090807 19:26:33< Aethaeryn> I reduce the font size to something barely-readble, and make the screen semi-transparent because I like the desktop backgrounds in the later Fedoras (semi because it needs to be slightly darker than default)
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20090807 19:26:56< Aethaeryn> Wow, painful.
20090807 19:27:00< Soliton> Xjs: irssi doesn't switch anything, your terminal does.
20090807 19:27:09< Xjs> could be, too
20090807 19:27:14< Aethaeryn> Yellow is still yellow, and my name is now very light grey and almost indistinguishable
20090807 19:27:15< Soliton> if you use reverse video things are just switched around.
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20090807 19:31:49< Aethaeryn> Soliton: you're using an old version of irssi, btw
20090807 19:32:00< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: you as well
20090807 19:32:00< Soliton> i know.
20090807 19:32:16< Soliton> use your time machine to get the current version in debain stable.
20090807 19:32:20< Aethaeryn> Actually, *I* am using an old version. Fedora updated me to 0.8.13 but not 0.8.14
20090807 19:32:25< Soliton> debian, too.
20090807 19:32:29< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: this is running from a server running Debian stable.
20090807 19:32:59< shadowmaster> My laptop (also Debian stable) has a 0.8.13 backport fromthe unstable distribution.
20090807 19:33:25< Aethaeryn> Soliton: How about this... I use my time machine to take all of our computing knowledge (only relating to Linux and free software) back to 1995, in the days of Win 95. Then I'll see how things are different today.
20090807 19:33:53< Soliton> better take the source code, too.
20090807 19:34:10< Aethaeryn> Yes, this way the Intertemporal Court can't sue me
20090807 19:34:40< Aethaeryn> I'll repeat the cycle a few dozen times until we're all cyborgs in 2009.
20090807 19:34:57< Aethaeryn> Running Linux 7.3.1.18
20090807 19:35:17< Aethaeryn> (so much better than 7.3.1.15, that was a bit buggy)
20090807 19:35:27< shadowmaster> I hope whatever you got there isn't contagious.
20090807 19:35:51< Blarumyrran> swine flu, swine flu
20090807 19:35:56< Aethaeryn> Damn, beat me to it
20090807 19:36:02< shadowmaster> nah, I'm immune already.
20090807 19:36:10< Ivanovic> Soliton: and the compiler!
20090807 19:36:13< Aethaeryn> My university actually has an emergency plan in the event of a swine flu outbreak...
20090807 19:36:18< Aethaeryn> Switching to online classes.
20090807 19:36:31< Aethaeryn> Not sure how closing the university helps someone who is living on campus ;)
20090807 19:36:59< Aethaeryn> Either our media is sensationalist, or we're all screwed.
20090807 19:37:09< Soliton> Ivanovic: think modern gcc doesn't compile with old compilers anymore?
20090807 19:37:16< Blarumyrran> The killer bees will come with a swine & bird flu combo
20090807 19:37:17< Aethaeryn> Between the worst flu outbreak since the pandemic in the early 1900s and the worst economic recession since 1929...
20090807 19:37:21< shadowmaster> C99 didn't even exist back then.
20090807 19:37:32< Aethaeryn> We should be both dead and poor. I don't know which is worse. ;)
20090807 19:37:37< Ivanovic> Soliton: i think you need a rather reasonable version and the ones available in 95 are not feature rich enough
20090807 19:37:44< Blarumyrran> Aeth, worst flu outbreak? wtf
20090807 19:37:46< Ivanovic> so you at least would need some binaries, too
20090807 19:37:51< shadowmaster> so I guess he'll also need to steal those papers from the ISO (they aren't free) and take them with him,
20090807 19:38:53< Aethaeryn> I'll also need hardware
20090807 19:39:04< Aethaeryn> Unless I just install xfce and pray.
20090807 19:39:10< Blarumyrran> Asiatic (Russian) Flu 	1889–1890 	1 million 	possibly H2N2 	NA
20090807 19:39:11< Blarumyrran> 1918 flu pandemic (Spanish flu) 	1918–1920 	20 to 100 million 	H1N1 	5
20090807 19:39:13< Blarumyrran> Asian Flu 	1957–1958 	1 to 1.5 million 	H2N2 	2
20090807 19:39:14< Blarumyrran> Hong Kong Flu 	1968–1969 	0.75 to 1 million 	H3N2 	2
20090807 19:39:15< Ivanovic> just take a laptop with a gentoo
20090807 19:39:16< Blarumyrran> 2009 flu pandemic 	2009–Present 	NA 	H1N1 	NA
20090807 19:39:35< Blarumyrran> Only 40 years ago a flu killed 1 million people. This flu has killed what, a few thousand?
20090807 19:39:37< Ivanovic> there should be enough sources for a reasonable life available
20090807 19:39:51< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: shhh, don't tell it to the media.
20090807 19:40:16< Blarumyrran> You are the media
20090807 19:40:29< Ukraneean> I am the law.
20090807 19:40:38< Blarumyrran> I am Spartacus.
20090807 19:40:51< noy> This is sparta?
20090807 19:41:16< noy> Blarumyrran: well right now thats tough to say. 
20090807 19:41:28< noy> because its potential to become a pandemic is actually pretty high
20090807 19:41:38< noy> and it hits a very different demographic of individuals. 
20090807 19:42:53< Blarumyrran> Im somehow sure wed develop a cure faster now than we wouldve 40 years ago if things get serious
20090807 19:43:40< noy> Well despite your "assuredness" #1 we can't create cures for cancer and #2 the vaccine for H1N1 is more difficult to produce than regular flus
20090807 19:43:57< noy> cures for flus*
20090807 19:43:59< Aethaeryn> Don't diseases get weaker as they spread?
20090807 19:44:03< noy> No
20090807 19:44:06< Blarumyrran> (yeh vaccine)
20090807 19:44:10< noy> well it depends what it means
20090807 19:44:14< Aethaeryn> Some do.
20090807 19:44:37< Blarumyrran> diseases get stronger as they spread, humans get too
20090807 19:45:11< noy> Right now we're not in a flu season and the virus is on a slow burn
20090807 19:45:51< noy> wait till the northern hemisphere into that season and then you'll have a more accurate idea of how bad it can get
20090807 19:46:27< Aethaeryn> It'll be just the thing we need at such a delicate moment in the economy.
20090807 19:46:33< Aethaeryn> Millions and millions of sick people.
20090807 19:46:44< noy> I doubt it will have much of an effect
20090807 19:47:00< Blarumyrran> It lessens unemployment :>
20090807 19:47:07< Aethaeryn> lol
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20090807 23:14:09< Blueblaze> rofl
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20090807 23:15:00< Blueblaze> Someone joined my game as an observer and requested that I moved because he "wanted to see action" when I'm trying to bug test a scenario 
20090807 23:15:04< Jean-Pierre> what do you think you are laughing at?!? >:-(
20090807 23:15:14< Jean-Pierre> hahaha
20090807 23:15:19< Jean-Pierre> I hate when that happens
20090807 23:15:46 * Blueblaze wonders sense when observers have authority over a game
20090807 23:15:51< Blueblaze> since*
20090807 23:16:03< fendrin> Blueblaze: was he inpolite?
20090807 23:16:33< Jean-Pierre> I was playing in a 2x6 test-map for a MP Campaign, and some ppl repeatedly came in to tell me about how unbalanced the map was :-P
20090807 23:16:39< Blueblaze> fendrin: of course :p
20090807 23:17:02< fendrin> :-)
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20090807 23:24:30< krotop> May I require an information from linux users, please ? What is the folder containing all the downloaded add-ons ?
20090807 23:24:57< shadowmaster> ~/.wesnoth1.6/data/campaigns by default on 1.6 I think
20090807 23:25:22< shadowmaster> ~/.wesnoth1.7/data/add-ons by default on 1.7 I think. I'm not sure about those 1.x suffixes, I believe at least the cmake recipe uses them
20090807 23:25:42< Aethaeryn> nope
20090807 23:25:48< shadowmaster> krotop: do you need to know to find your own add-ons, or for writing WML?
20090807 23:25:56< Aethaeryn> Unless there was a change in it during 1.5
20090807 23:26:14< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: then maybe I could get you to check for me, I'm too lazy.
20090807 23:26:15< Aethaeryn> I know scons doesn't make the suffixes, I manually make it .wesnoth-1.6 and .wesnoth-1.7 to not conflict with .wesnoth, the SVN one.
20090807 23:26:42< Aethaeryn> Though technically I'm sure -1.7 and SVN would be fine to share, but you never know what unstable revisions'll do.
20090807 23:27:38< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/EditingWesnoth#Linux_2
20090807 23:27:47< shadowmaster> check the "for newer wesnoth versions" blah blah and stop guessing
20090807 23:28:09< Aethaeryn> Well, scons does not behave like that.
20090807 23:28:14< Aethaeryn> I do not think.
20090807 23:28:25< Jean-Pierre> to me: /home/jean/.wesnoth1.6/data/campaigns/
20090807 23:28:42< Aethaeryn> At any rate, idk whose idea was it to do that. I much rather prefer .wesnoth-1.6 over .wesnoth1.6
20090807 23:29:00< Jean-Pierre> why?
20090807 23:29:02< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: sorry, it was while you were away. We couldn't wait for opinions :)
20090807 23:29:45< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: also, scons uses that suffix by default too, check scons --help and the default for  prefsdir
20090807 23:30:30< Aethaeryn> Jean-Pierre: I guess "Everyone else except openoffice does it that way" is a bad argument?
20090807 23:30:48< Jean-Pierre> is the addon.cfg in /campaigns or /add-ons instead of _main.cfg inside the proper file going to be removed as an option anytime?
20090807 23:31:23< shadowmaster> not sure, sometimes the addon.cfg and addon.pbl method may be desired.
20090807 23:31:26< Jean-Pierre> Aethaeryn: Hmm.. didn't get that...
20090807 23:31:39< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: My scons is very odd then, and maybe I typo'd it a bit, but when I did help for scons a long while back it went ahead and compiled it instead of giving me help. Since then I haven't done help for scons :P
20090807 23:31:47< Jean-Pierre> in what cases?
20090807 23:31:50< Aethaeryn> Jean-Pierre: Maybe the programs you have installed are different...
20090807 23:31:57< shadowmaster> the wesnoth-umc-dev project uses addon.pbl for instance
20090807 23:32:08< shadowmaster> only to avoid accidental commits of .pbl files into a SVN repository
20090807 23:32:14< Jean-Pierre> I installed Wesnoth from Ubuntu Jaunty's repository
20090807 23:32:43< Jean-Pierre> oh, of course
20090807 23:33:01< Jean-Pierre> but then again, what about the add-on.cfg?
20090807 23:33:02< Aethaeryn> for me .gimp-2.6 and .openoffice.org2.0 are the only two non-games that show versions in the hidden folders. A few other games show them like <name>-<number>, following what gimp does.
20090807 23:33:22< Aethaeryn> it seems oOo is the exception, not the rule. Not very scientific comparrison of standards.
20090807 23:33:33< Aethaeryn> Besides, Linux software doesn't do anything in a standard manner.
20090807 23:33:36< Jean-Pierre> not that it is a big deal, you just have to copy 2 files for each addon when you move them
20090807 23:34:07< Aethaeryn> Jean-Pierre: Nah, I'm saying .wesnoth-1.6 (the way I compile it) vs. .wesnoth1.6 (the odd default)
20090807 23:34:54< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: "Linux software doesn't do anything in a standard manner" <- what?
20090807 23:35:28< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: In other words, the projects are by and large very decentralized... There is no one standard across programs...
20090807 23:35:32< shadowmaster> I mean, was the FHS a decoy according to you?
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20090807 23:40:42< Jean-Pierre> Aethaeryn: Well, honestly I don't see much of a practical difference between them, if you are suggesting that wesnoth-1.6 is better than the other way. Btw, I was just answering krotop with that, as it is the default setting.
20090807 23:41:14< shadowmaster> krotop seems to be away from the keyboard
20090807 23:41:29< Jean-Pierre> Looks like it
20090807 23:52:00< Valkier> But I'm not!
20090807 23:52:02< Valkier> Talk to me!
20090807 23:52:05< Valkier> I'm interesting 0_0
20090807 23:52:50< shadowmaster> you don't need help.
20090807 23:53:23< shadowmaster> We were trying to give assistance to krotop with a technical issue, which is the kind of things that this channel should be used for.
20090807 23:53:56< grzywacz> 0,o
20090807 23:54:14< Jean-Pierre> #wesnoth-techsupport?
20090807 23:54:28< shadowmaster> I didn't say "the only kind of things".
20090807 23:55:25< Jean-Pierre> oh, ok, sounded like that
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