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20090809 01:59:58< Zarel> Whoo, done.
20090809 02:00:10< Zarel> Aethaeryn: What do you think of http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26541&p=375082#p375082 ?
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20090809 02:03:30< Aethaeryn> Zarel: the fog thing still doesn't look foggy enough, imo
20090809 02:03:41< Aethaeryn> I like the shroud
20090809 02:03:56< Zarel> I know... how do I make it more foggy? :/
20090809 02:04:02< Aethaeryn> why inclue any grass?
20090809 02:04:08< Zarel> ?
20090809 02:04:10< Aethaeryn> just make it 50/50
20090809 02:04:12< Aethaeryn> in the fog/shroud image
20090809 02:04:41< Zarel> I dunno, I think it looks better with at least a bit of grass.
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20090809 02:05:39< Aethaeryn> eh, at that scale, everything is vital screen real estate
20090809 02:06:04< Aethaeryn> Zarel: for fog, maybe do the same thing the game does
20090809 02:06:10< Aethaeryn> grey semitransparent
20090809 02:06:18< Aethaeryn> over the grass thing you have there
20090809 02:06:39< Zarel> Time to play a fog game!
20090809 02:07:21< Zarel> I dunno, it doesn't really look that much like fog.
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20090809 02:08:17< Zarel> The other problem is that if it's too gray, it looks too much like the dark gray shroud.
20090809 02:09:02< Aethaeryn> not if it is light and semitransparent
20090809 02:09:15< Aethaeryn> I just think your current approach to fog kinda gets it wrong when the f is removed
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20090809 02:11:53< Zarel> Aethaeryn: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/download/file.php?id=33370
20090809 02:12:27< Zarel> I think the wisps are kind of necessary, to make it look more different from shroud.
20090809 02:12:54< Aethaeryn> looks better because it's more grey...
20090809 02:13:12< Aethaeryn> even fog has wisps in it
20090809 02:13:19< Aethaeryn> just subtle
20090809 02:13:27< Aethaeryn> look at cave wall or void under shroud
20090809 02:15:10< Zarel> Yeah, I just turned down the saturation and opacity.
20090809 02:15:16< Zarel> Do you think that's good, or should I go further?
20090809 02:15:28< Aethaeryn> I think it still looks a little bit too fake
20090809 02:15:47< Aethaeryn> definitely better though
20090809 02:17:26< Zarel> I think it's harder to see against the green background...
20090809 02:19:40< Zarel> The grass needs to be greener. <_<
20090809 02:20:21< Zarel> Ugh, neon grass.
20090809 02:25:35< Zarel> Aethaeryn: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26541&p=375096#p375096
20090809 02:25:54< Zarel> I saturated a grass a bit more, and desaturated the fog a bit more.
20090809 02:26:07< Zarel> I don't think saturating the grass helped.
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20090809 04:07:01< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: probably an hour
20090809 04:07:06< Blueblaze> maybe less
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20090809 04:48:27< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: you back yet?
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20090809 05:09:13< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: sorry, wanted to have one last cup of (decaf) tea before going upstairs
20090809 05:09:18< Aethaeryn> otherwise I would've been back in time
20090809 05:09:36< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: ok
20090809 05:09:43< Blueblaze> tea isn't decaf
20090809 05:09:44< Blueblaze> :z
20090809 05:09:48< Blueblaze> well I guess it is deminished caf
20090809 05:09:58< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: they say decaf
20090809 05:10:01< Aethaeryn> so I'll listen to them :P
20090809 05:10:10< Blueblaze> heh
20090809 05:10:14< Aethaeryn> I heard decaf coffee has as much caffine in it as a soda though
20090809 05:10:34< Blueblaze> decaf has caffiene
20090809 05:10:34< Blueblaze> just less
20090809 05:10:34< Blueblaze> yeah
20090809 05:10:36< Aethaeryn> so yeah, I doubt decaf tea is 0 caff
20090809 05:10:43< Aethaeryn> just enough less caffine so I can sleep
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20090809 05:10:56< Aethaeryn> wanted a warm drink 
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20090809 05:11:43< Aethaeryn> rofl though... your map is supposed to be the width of the screen
20090809 05:11:55< Aethaeryn> is the width of the screen on my laptop, but I was looking at it on my 23'' widescreen monitor
20090809 05:11:58< Aethaeryn> which is why it looked so tiny
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20090809 05:12:12< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: ancestral is updating his Mac OS
20090809 05:12:14< Blueblaze> once he gets back we'll play
20090809 05:12:27< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: did you upload the latest version?
20090809 05:13:12< Blueblaze> no
20090809 05:13:14< Blueblaze> but we'll play it
20090809 05:13:24< Aethaeryn> oh, ok
20090809 05:13:29< Aethaeryn> I don't need the add-on, right?
20090809 05:13:32< Blueblaze> correct
20090809 05:13:45< Aethaeryn> cool
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20090809 05:20:16< Blueblaze> so
20090809 05:20:21< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: ancestral's 3 minute update is taking 
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20090809 05:20:24< Blueblaze> 9 minutes so far ;p
20090809 05:20:26< Blueblaze> there we go
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20090809 07:59:00< knotwork> (my screen resolution got upgraded from 1024x768 to 1290x960 by the upgrade, but changing the window size specs in preferences file doesnt change this strange behavioir of the mouse)
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20090809 08:33:25< Valkier> Sup, Turuk.
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20090809 09:02:46< Zarel> Aethaeryn: What are you talking about? Charge is AWESOME.
20090809 09:03:15< Aethaeryn> Zarel: I said no one seems to like charge because charge was at 3 at the time i wrote it
20090809 09:03:19< Aethaeryn> which is two posts from death
20090809 09:03:30< Zarel> Sadly, it's still two posts from death. :(
20090809 09:03:43< Zarel> What can I say? I like the underdog abilities.
20090809 09:04:16< Zarel> I would've tried to rescue Marksman, but it really _is_ just a weaker version of Magical.
20090809 09:04:45< Aethaeryn> I like marksman
20090809 09:04:57< Aethaeryn> useful
20090809 09:05:02< Zarel> Lancer, sadly, is pretty useless. :/
20090809 09:05:17< Aethaeryn> and no, I think marksman is 60% chance to hit OR the terrain
20090809 09:05:30< Aethaeryn> so if you have someone in water or swamp that has 10% or 20% dodge, a marksman unit > magical
20090809 09:05:32< Zarel> I mean, 12-3 or 14-2... If you can't get a one-hit kill (the second hit is in case the first one misses), you shouldn't be attacking in the first place.
20090809 09:05:38< Aethaeryn> because magical is *always* 70%
20090809 09:05:42< Zarel> So Knight is pretty much always better.
20090809 09:06:04< Aethaeryn> and yes, it's happened quite a few times to me where I have a magical unit that shoots something with 20% or less dodge
20090809 09:06:09< Aethaeryn> a wose on bad terrain, for instance
20090809 09:06:12< Zarel> Aethaeryn: Yes, but if you have someone in water or swamp, you generally have a better unit to attack with than a marksman/magical unit.
20090809 09:06:19< Zarel> Such as dragonguard. >:D
20090809 09:06:41< Aethaeryn> dwarves don't have the choice between dragonguards and magical/marksman :P
20090809 09:07:00< Zarel> Quiet, you. :P
20090809 09:07:06< Zarel> I play HttT. :P
20090809 09:07:24< Zarel> In fact, I think every campaign that gives you dragonguards also gives you a magical unit.
20090809 09:07:54< Zarel> But woses on flat terrain are fairly rare.
20090809 09:07:55< Aethaeryn> Zarel: one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of HttT is that there are too many options
20090809 09:08:08< Zarel> Being able to 1. retaliate at high accuracy, and 2. be 10% more accurate most of the time, is a lot better.
20090809 09:08:09< Aethaeryn> one of the reasons I like the Drake faction is that you can accomplish almost everything you need to do with 6 units
20090809 09:08:21< Aethaeryn> less chance situations screw you over
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20090809 09:08:39< Zarel> Aethaeryn: I agree, though.
20090809 09:08:46< Zarel> Although I wonder why HttT didn't go all the way.
20090809 09:08:53< Zarel> Let you recruit orcish mercenaries!
20090809 09:08:55< Zarel> Add drakes, too!
20090809 09:09:17< Zarel> And maybe you get the undead to help for some reason.
20090809 09:11:00< Zarel> Personally, I don't think drakes give every unit _I_ need.
20090809 09:11:39< Valkier> Drakes do feel very limited to me.
20090809 09:11:50< Valkier> They feel like less versatile rebels.
20090809 09:12:00< Zarel> Because _I_ need a ranged marksman poison attack.
20090809 09:12:35< Valkier> Rebels get units that heal, slow, can range and melee, travel far, and can stealth.
20090809 09:12:43< Zarel> _I_ also need a unit that can hold its own at sea.
20090809 09:12:51< Valkier> Drakes get some heavy hitters during the day, but they get no real advantage on terrain or anything.
20090809 09:13:18< Zarel> And a unit with 60% evasion on flat would be nice, too.
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20090809 11:52:05< DeathTheNoob> .me can't wait for next upd
20090809 11:52:08< DeathTheNoob> damn
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20090809 20:26:04< Mike1> whats the lowest turn-number ever for the underground-level in Hammer of T.?
20090809 20:26:43< Blueblaze> 1 turn
20090809 20:26:56< Aethaeryn> XD
20090809 20:27:01< Mike1> with debug mode? :P
20090809 20:27:05< Aethaeryn> No.
20090809 20:27:09< Mike1> i mean until the end :P
20090809 20:27:09< Aethaeryn> Happens naturally.
20090809 20:27:16< Mike1> :D
20090809 20:27:56< Soliton> i think last time i need 89 or so.
20090809 20:28:19< Aethaeryn> Wow, that's a big level.
20090809 20:28:25< Soliton> i didn't push for an early finish though but cleared everything.
20090809 20:28:27< Mike1> i'm at 180 now :D
20090809 20:28:52< Soliton> well, i also new how the map works. ;-)
20090809 20:28:57< Soliton> knew*
20090809 20:28:59< Mike1> conquered the first undead ~5 rounds ago :-)
20090809 20:29:17< Aethaeryn> Speaking of underground levels, it's a good thing I made my map for 1.7
20090809 20:29:21< Mike1> but im losing now because my white mage died :-(
20090809 20:29:26< Aethaeryn> Every time I can't get a game together, I add another feature :P
20090809 20:29:42< Mike1> 1.7? not even released yet, isn't it?
20090809 20:29:45< Aethaeryn> Mike1: have fun restarting that scenario if you lose
20090809 20:29:55< Aethaeryn> Mike1: odd numbers = development relelases.
20090809 20:30:05< Mike1> Aethaeryn: i wont restart it :P
20090809 20:30:10< Aethaeryn> The devs did work in 1.1, 1.3, 1.5., etc.
20090809 20:31:13< Mike1> if it comes to the worst: „debug“-mode :P
20090809 20:31:14< Aethaeryn> 1.1 ran parallel with 1.0 and became 1.2; 1.3 ran parallel with 1.2 and became 1.4 (a good version for Wesnoth); 1.5 ran parallel with 1.4 and became 1.6; 1.7 is currently being developed along side 1.6 and will eventually become a 1.8 when it is stable/different enough from 1.6
20090809 20:31:31< Mike1> :-)
20090809 20:32:28< Aethaeryn> I'm making most of my new content for 1.7 because that way I'll surprise people late-1.7 and early-1.8 with the sheer amount of stuff I'll have done/polished by then
20090809 20:32:55< Mike1> good boy :-)
20090809 20:32:59< Aethaeryn> I'm planning on doing my own stable/development thing, developing on 1.7 and then releasing a stable release for 1.8, and then forking it to do development on 1.9
20090809 20:33:14< Aethaeryn> More future-proof that way, since you don't need to run wmllint as much ;)
20090809 20:33:27< Aethaeryn> You also can be among the first to utilize new features
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20090809 20:34:15< Mike1> Aethaeryn: i'm looking forward to it if you code as fast as you write :P
20090809 20:34:44< Aethaeryn> I do type over 100 words per minute at times...
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20090809 20:34:56< Aethaeryn> I just wish I sprited as fast as I mapped...
20090809 20:35:11< Mike1> about 600 chars per minute then :-)
20090809 20:35:16 * Mike1 is at 300 now
20090809 20:35:47< Mike1> started with the neo-keyboard layout 2 months ago
20090809 20:36:39< Aethaeryn> I was kind of surprised when I measured my typing speed last year...
20090809 20:36:53< Aethaeryn> Last time I was measured was in middle school typing classes around 60-ish words per minute.
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20090809 20:40:48< Mike1> re
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20090809 23:34:23< Valkier> And if I could direct your respective attentions to the finished Deathblade portrait.
20090809 23:34:24< Valkier> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26022&start=150
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20090809 23:36:25< Blarumyrran> I dont really like your disco lighting :>
20090809 23:36:47< shadowmaster> I was about to say the same thing.
20090809 23:37:54< Tomsik_> I dunno
20090809 23:38:05< Tomsik_> Green should be more slimy, but otherwise :p
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20090809 23:40:29< Valkier> Yeah. Personally I prefer dull brownish tan bone and greyish brown metal, but I thought I'd go for something less boring just the same.
20090809 23:42:16< krotop> if that can relieve you I like your lighting choice, for the reason you mentioned.
20090809 23:42:36< krotop> I like disco too, but not sure it's relevant
20090809 23:43:18< krotop> disco is undead ! ;)
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20090809 23:47:46< Valkier> Eh, it was fun to make.
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20090809 23:52:09< Valkier> Guess I'll start working on the revenant next.
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