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20090813 00:18:14< conor> anyone beat Invasion from the unknown on hardest setting? im stuck on the second level...
20090813 00:20:45< Soliton> yes.
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20090813 00:23:16< conor> Soliton what strategy did you use for the second level...
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20090813 00:24:11< Soliton> if you tell me what the second level is about maybe i remember.
20090813 00:24:37< conor> its the one where you have to survive
20090813 00:24:43< conor> there are 3 enemies
20090813 00:24:46< conor> burning the forest
20090813 00:24:55< conor> and its you and 1 ally
20090813 00:25:09< conor> and you have to save at least 7 villages
20090813 00:26:16< Soliton> ah hmm, that was tough indeed. think i killed them all anyway though.
20090813 00:26:45< Soliton> maybe control the ally yourself if he's too stupid.
20090813 00:26:58< conor> good idea
20090813 00:27:17< Soliton> at least in a later level i had to do that or he'd kill himself.
20090813 00:27:29< conor> em
20090813 00:27:33< conor> can i do that?
20090813 00:27:41< Soliton> :droid
20090813 00:27:48< conor> oh
20090813 00:28:01< Soliton> when it's their turn or :droid 2 or whatever.
20090813 00:28:24< conor> ye
20090813 00:28:25< conor> ok
20090813 00:28:41< Soliton> is there an iftu for 1.7?
20090813 00:28:55< Soliton> if so i could try it again sometime.
20090813 00:29:18< conor> ye
20090813 00:29:21< conor> wait
20090813 00:29:22< conor> em
20090813 00:29:24< conor> not sure
20090813 00:32:11< conor> so basically im just spamming civilians
20090813 00:32:14< conor> lol
20090813 00:32:36< conor> with like
20090813 00:32:46< conor> 2 lvl 2's and 2 lvl 3's
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20090813 02:34:23< Jean-Pierre> hey, anyone up for a WesCiv Colonization game?
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20090813 05:37:46< Kenpachi> hello
20090813 05:39:10< Kenpachi> I have an idea for win conditions in multilayer, just wanting to discuss it here before I post it on the forums
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20090813 06:05:20< Kenpachi> hmm... quiet
20090813 06:05:58< shadowmaster> why don't you speak then?
20090813 06:06:13< shadowmaster> I've been waiting to know what your idea is for about half an hour
20090813 06:06:22< shadowmaster> s/I/we/
20090813 06:06:32< Kenpachi> sorry
20090813 06:06:40< shadowmaster> :P
20090813 06:07:00< Kenpachi> currently we have only one way of winning, eliminate all enemy units
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20090813 06:08:05< Kenpachi> for faster games, having to only kill the leader would be nice
20090813 06:08:32< Kenpachi> also, control all villages as a win condition
20090813 06:08:52< shadowmaster> "kill the leader" has been the victory condition for years, unless I'm mistaken.
20090813 06:08:55< shadowmaster> *leaders
20090813 06:09:17< Kenpachi> but you can still play if you have units left
20090813 06:09:38< Zarel> :/
20090813 06:09:44 * shadowmaster scratches head.
20090813 06:09:49< Zarel> I don't think the drake thread should've been locked that early...
20090813 06:10:13< shadowmaster> Zarel: what thread?
20090813 06:10:19< Zarel> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=26604
20090813 06:11:10< shadowmaster> there is an Art contribs thread by tsi, why would you need a separate opinions thread?
20090813 06:11:19< Zarel> Granted, Yoyobuae phrased it poorly when he said "I didn't had any hopes of achieving anything with my posts"
20090813 06:12:03< Zarel> Nonetheless, I got the feeling there was a misunderstanding somewhere. I wanted to ask him what he meant by "I am wondering the direction of changing because they are lawful units, not chaotic. (they are pretty good as chaotic units)"
20090813 06:12:21< Zarel> I read through the thread and no one asked him to elaborate on that. :[
20090813 06:12:57< shadowmaster> PMs work if you are still curious.
20090813 06:13:03< Kenpachi> the other idea I had for multiplayer
20090813 06:13:37< Zarel> It's the type of thing for which the rest of the forum could benefit from knowing.
20090813 06:13:46< shadowmaster> Kenpachi: note that custom scenarios can already set pretty much whatever victory condition
20090813 06:13:57< Zarel> I think of PMs mostly for things others shouldn't know, or wouldn't care about.
20090813 06:14:55< Kenpachi> shadow: yes, but I don't want to have to be installing lots of custom maps every time I want to play it at a LAN
20090813 06:16:01< Kenpachi> every other strategy game I've played has more than one set of win conditions for all maps
20090813 06:16:30< shadowmaster> it sounds like something that could be considered in the future though.
20090813 06:16:40< Kenpachi> with custom win conditions being for campaigns or scenarios
20090813 06:17:14< shadowmaster> maybe you want to post it in the Ideas forum to see what the MP developers think about it. I'm more of a single player dev
20090813 06:17:22< shadowmaster> strictly forbidden to touch anything MP.
20090813 06:17:39< Kenpachi> :)
20090813 06:17:51< Kenpachi> the other idea I have is for when the game ends
20090813 06:18:01< Kenpachi> graphs & stats
20090813 06:20:26< Kenpachi> units recruited/lost/killed; gold earned/spent; highest unit numbers; most used unit; highest levelled unit; graph of village control over turns; total xp gained; etc
20090813 06:20:58< Kenpachi> also a simple score system
20090813 06:21:23< shadowmaster> um, I think the score system idea has been discussed to death before
20090813 06:21:39< shadowmaster> not sure (I'm too lazy to use the forum search functin)
20090813 06:22:11< Kenpachi> I have seen complex ideas for a scoring system, the one I have is quite simple
20090813 06:22:17< Kenpachi> <gold spent> + <xp gained> 
20090813 06:22:58< Kenpachi> yes it is not quite accurate for who is really winning, but none of the scoring systems I've seen in any RTS are
20090813 06:26:33< shadowmaster> remember that WINRTS (Wesnoth Is Not an RTS)
20090813 06:26:37< shadowmaster> *G
20090813 06:26:57< Kenpachi> All the use I see having a score for is not for your end total, but for games with more than 2 or 3 players to help with knowing who is most likely winning when you can't see all of the map
20090813 06:27:26< Kenpachi> I know wesnoth is not an RTS
20090813 06:27:42< Kenpachi> that's what is good about it
20090813 06:28:53< Kenpachi> I have just not played any turn based games as good as wesnoth. other than the Civ games, which are a lot different in game play
20090813 06:30:29< Kenpachi> so I compared wesnoth with the games that I've played that I thought were most like it
20090813 06:31:30< Kenpachi> and thought about what I would like in Wesnoth if I was playing it with 7 other people
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20090813 06:37:14< Kenpachi> re
20090813 06:39:41< shadowmaster> fwd
20090813 06:41:42< shadowmaster> it is time I actually get some food.
20090813 06:43:40< shadowmaster> I'mm off now, good night
20090813 06:43:46< Kenpachi> night
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20090813 07:17:32< Kenpachi> idea posted www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=26646
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20090813 09:20:22< gartral> whats the min specs for TBOW?
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20090813 09:27:52< gartral> anyone even really kno/
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20090813 09:30:34< zookeeper> know what?
20090813 09:31:43< zookeeper> oh, hardware specs
20090813 09:32:44< gartral> lets put it this way, will a system with a 900 mhz p2, 128 mb ram, and pre MX series GFX card play it/
20090813 09:33:09< zookeeper> well, the biggest problem is that 128mb ram, i'd imagine you'd want at least 256
20090813 09:33:34< zookeeper> wesnoth tends to eat >100mb of memory, i think
20090813 09:34:25< zookeeper> the rest of the specs probably don't matter much
20090813 09:34:32< gartral> well.. i have a 256 stick in the machine, BIOS will only allow 128 to be addressed (Stupid old dell)
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20090813 09:37:07< zookeeper> well, i doubt that even if it worked, it'd be very enjoyable to play with that system
20090813 09:37:30< gartral> eh.. actually.. the tut is running OK...
20090813 09:37:46< zookeeper> well, if you got the thing installed and all already then you can just test it
20090813 09:40:48< gartral> running great... the ai seems too be moving in the wrong direction, though
20090813 09:43:07< Blueblaze> zookeeper: yes Wesnoth eats well over 120mb of ram whenever I play
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20090813 09:44:16< Blueblaze> Granted I'm playing multipler with a ton of add-ons loaded and so forth
20090813 09:45:00< gartral> oooook.. theres a bug here.. the AI is pileing all its units into the south-east corner of the map, when im in the north
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20090813 10:25:57< Ivanovic> moin
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20090813 10:28:39< Kenpachi> o/
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20090813 11:13:58< VurtualRuler98> Uh oh, 120MB RAM? That's almost all of it, isn't it?
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20090813 11:41:58< Valkier> I would just like to leave you all with this before I go to bed. It is the beginning sketch for the Draug.
20090813 11:41:59< Valkier> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/download/file.php?id=33511&t=1
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20090813 16:29:29< cib0> where are the files for the random unit names located at?
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20090813 16:30:03< Soliton> data/core/names.cfg iirc
20090813 16:30:16< cib0> thanks, soliton
20090813 16:31:07< cib0> hm, nope, no such file
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20090813 16:32:48< Soliton> data/core/macros/names.cfg
20090813 16:34:16< cib0> ah, thanks =) got it
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20090813 17:02:36< lizard_r> Hey, what happened to the crown icons (unread post) in the Wesnoth Forum theme?
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20090813 18:49:47< Woodmouse> Wesnoth is a nice game. xD
20090813 18:49:56< Woodmouse> [/fact no one can deny]
20090813 18:51:11< rski> i deny it right now.
20090813 18:51:12< rski> muahhaha
20090813 18:51:59< Woodmouse> :O
20090813 18:52:01< Woodmouse> brb
20090813 18:54:50< Woodmouse> back. Then why are you here, if you don't like Wesnoth!? :O (lol)
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20090813 18:56:56< Woodmouse> brb, shower
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20090813 19:08:19< Woodmouse> back
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20090813 19:18:05< rski> i like it
20090813 19:18:14< rski> i'm just saying you can deny it
20090813 19:19:03< Woodmouse> lol
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20090813 22:12:34< `moebius`> hello
20090813 22:12:50< `moebius`> i just tried wesnoth and i really like the game
20090813 22:13:12< `moebius`> i'd like to ask something about multiplayer game... any to ask for?
20090813 22:13:20< zookeeper> just ask
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20090813 22:14:45< `moebius`> well i'd like to play from work (no comment about this :D) but i fear i can't end a game in a workday... is there a possibility to disconnect and reconnet to the server leaving the game active?
20090813 22:15:15< zookeeper> no, but you can just save and resume the game from that save later
20090813 22:15:33< `moebius`> also if i'm not the creator?
20090813 22:15:50< zookeeper> i think so
20090813 22:16:03< zookeeper> yes, i doubt that matters at all
20090813 22:16:38< zookeeper> just save the game, and later on you just start to create a new game but just pick "load game" from the map list
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20090813 22:17:08< kvsingh> i'm having some problem with the multiplayer version. It just won't connect when i'm connecting behind a proxy server
20090813 22:17:25< kvsingh> actually i can't play any game online whenever i;m behind a proxy server
20090813 22:17:29< kvsingh> any reason for this?
20090813 22:17:47< `moebius`> zookeeper: and it works fighting against humans or cpu right?
20090813 22:18:32< `moebius`> kvsingh: probably your network settings doesn't allow you to connect to server port
20090813 22:18:37< zookeeper> `moebius`, yes
20090813 22:18:55< kvsingh> ok. is there  a way to fix that?
20090813 22:19:01< `moebius`> zookeeper: i'll try it as soon as possible... i'll be at work almost alone in next 15 days :D
20090813 22:19:23< `moebius`> zookeeper: thanks a lot
20090813 22:19:32< `moebius`> kvsingh: i think no :(
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20090813 22:20:11< Soliton> depends on the proxy server and the patience of the user.
20090813 22:20:38< `moebius`> Soliton: well i think that proxy doesn't allow CONNECT
20090813 22:20:54< Soliton> well, i think not.
20090813 22:20:55< `moebius`> Soliton: well... it's gone anyway...
20090813 22:21:07< Soliton> thus my comment about patience.
20090813 22:21:18< `moebius`> :D
20090813 22:24:16< `moebius`> all, do you think games against cpus are good as training for multiplayer?
20090813 22:24:54< zookeeper> sure, for a very short time when you're an absolute beginner.
20090813 22:25:06< zookeeper> (or maybe if you give the opponents a lot more gold)
20090813 22:25:58< `moebius`> zookeeper: thanks a lot
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