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20090816 01:03:41< shadowmaster> has anyone played that "Fall of Wesnoth" campaign?
20090816 01:06:44< vjoe> nah
20090816 01:06:56< vjoe> shadowmaster: why play campaigns when you have the online?
20090816 01:06:57< vjoe> :D
20090816 01:07:47< shadowmaster> I do not understand the question.
20090816 01:08:13< vjoe> there's more challenge in multiplayer
20090816 01:08:14< vjoe> that's all
20090816 01:09:01< shadowmaster> oh yes, but pretty much everyone here knows that I'm connection-impaired and thus I cannot play MP without leaving the match every 2 minutes
20090816 01:09:20< Soliton> see, more challenge!
20090816 01:09:33< grzywacz> I guess it's time I implement a play-by-email multiplayer mode for wesnoth.
20090816 01:09:59< shadowmaster> it was really awful when I made the rest of the guys in the game hit a critical bug for that
20090816 01:10:17< shadowmaster> (OOS on side controller change, 1.5.something)
20090816 01:11:43< shadowmaster> well, except that back then it was every 30 minutes, not 2!
20090816 01:12:28< grzywacz> I wonder... Why don't you fix it? :P
20090816 01:12:48< shadowmaster> because uh, I don't own it?!
20090816 01:13:40< grzywacz> Change the provider?
20090816 01:15:29< shadowmaster> we go back to the same issue
20090816 01:16:23< vjoe> shadowmaster: didn't know about that
20090816 01:16:24< vjoe> :\
20090816 01:17:08< shadowmaster> OTOH you should assume that an oldtimer has already tried MP, right?
20090816 01:18:24< shadowmaster> so if I'm asking about a particular campaign in here, it probably means that I am interested in knowing what other oldtimers think about it, since we don't have a platform for campaign reviews at the moment.
20090816 01:18:52< shadowmaster> and the authors' opinions are always too subjective.
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20090816 01:38:36< Soliton> i've played the first scenario of FoW.
20090816 01:39:02< Soliton> not sure if there is more now.
20090816 01:40:43< shadowmaster> any opinions? is it something you would continue playing if you had time?
20090816 01:40:56< shadowmaster> (e.g. talking about quality here)
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20090816 01:41:48< Soliton> hard to say, first scenario was fun gameplay wise though.
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20090816 01:50:23< xinming> Is it possible to show all units description in wesnoth? It seems, some of them are hidden, Is there a way to force display them? :-)
20090816 01:52:42< Soliton> go into debug mode.
20090816 01:54:55< xinming> Soliton: hmm, Do you mean running it with -d option?
20090816 01:55:16< xinming> Soliton: Is it possible to force update the .wesnoth, so that I don't need the -d option?
20090816 01:55:41< shadowmaster> xinming: you can use :debug
20090816 01:56:05< shadowmaster> e.g. type whatever you need to write a semicolon, type debug in the little box that will appear at the bottom of the game map
20090816 01:58:51< Soliton> s/semi//
20090816 01:59:07< shadowmaster> indeed
20090816 01:59:46< xinming> shadowmaster: hmm, Just now, I am in a network game, It seems, we can't enable it for now. >_<
20090816 02:00:20< xinming> Thanks. Does that mean, after we enable debug mode, All units information will be displayed? even if I restart the game?
20090816 02:00:32< Soliton> i don't think so.
20090816 02:00:51< Soliton> in 1.7 there is an :uncover command that might be permanent.
20090816 02:01:39< shadowmaster> yeah, debug mode has only a temporary effect over the descriptions
20090816 02:03:58< xinming> Ok, thanks for the info.
20090816 02:05:06< Soliton> there's a post on the forums somewhere where i posted a lot of unit ids you can put in your preferences file.
20090816 02:24:05< vjoe> Soliton: how do you make the AI control one side?
20090816 02:26:44< vjoe> anyone?
20090816 02:28:10< Soliton> :droid
20090816 02:29:05< vjoe> thanks
20090816 02:29:10< vjoe> i googled it first however xD
20090816 02:29:30< vjoe> geez
20090816 02:29:37< vjoe> im playing this game for 2 hours
20090816 02:29:40< vjoe> its an epic game
20090816 02:29:40< vjoe> ehe
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20090816 03:42:00< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090816 04:35:01< wajimba> Soliton: I am interested in the forum post with the list of ID's - what are some search terms I can try?
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20090816 05:05:45< natasiel> hello, someone knows how to set color in message=_"..."?
20090816 05:06:39< Jean-Pierre> hmm, just a sec
20090816 05:06:56< natasiel> thank you
20090816 05:07:28< Jean-Pierre> what color?
20090816 05:07:35< natasiel> let's say red
20090816 05:07:57< natasiel> the <red,green,blue> brackets don't seems to work here
20090816 05:07:58< Jean-Pierre> message=_"<255,0,0>..." I would say
20090816 05:08:05< Jean-Pierre> oh, ok
20090816 05:08:07< natasiel> that I tried
20090816 05:08:15< Jean-Pierre> how about the #?
20090816 05:08:29< natasiel> let me try...
20090816 05:11:42< natasiel> should be written as: message=_"#red Message" ?
20090816 05:12:11< natasiel> the message is red, but the "red" string gets printed out
20090816 05:12:30< Jean-Pierre> no, use just #
20090816 05:12:47< Jean-Pierre> # means read, @ green
20090816 05:12:57< natasiel> anything for blue?
20090816 05:13:22< Jean-Pierre> not that I know of, did "#..." work?
20090816 05:13:47< natasiel> yes, thank you very much :)
20090816 05:14:05< Jean-Pierre> it's just a palliative
20090816 05:14:13< Jean-Pierre> the brackets should be working
20090816 05:18:45< natasiel> from what I have read, it is moving to pango <span> from 1.7 onward
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20090816 10:48:10< Ivanovic> moin
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20090816 10:54:39< DkySven> hello
20090816 10:54:54< DkySven> I can't find Invasion into the Unknown in the addon list
20090816 10:54:57< DkySven> is this intended?
20090816 10:55:03< DkySven> XD
20090816 10:55:07< DkySven> in version 1.7.2
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20090816 10:59:58< Ivanovic> not everything is available for all versions
20090816 11:00:08< Ivanovic> that is many addons are not available (yet) for the unstable version
20090816 11:00:15< Ivanovic> s/unstable/development
20090816 11:00:38< DkySven> ok, thanks
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20090816 12:40:28< jhaig> I'm playing Descent into Darkness and I am at 'Alone at last'.  To give myself at least some chance of winning, I have moved all my units to the top to kill Dalar Kashar before she starts to recruit.  I have 5 units able to attack her and, with 13 attacks (2 at 70%, 11 at 30%), not one hit.  I have done this 5 times (yes, I cheated and went back a turn) and all 5 times, I didn't manage to hit once.  Is there something that says you cannot hit a leader before 
20090816 12:45:11< jhaig> I realise that this is possible, but only with a probability of about 0.000000000002 %
20090816 12:47:17 * jhaig wonders if he has caught everyone asleep.
20090816 12:49:38< DkySven> I never played this campain, but it could be the RNG hating you, only thing would be to try over and over until you hit
20090816 12:49:46< DkySven> but for the rest I've no idea
20090816 12:50:19< jhaig> I could accept that if I had hit just once.
20090816 12:50:21< zookeeper> no, it's intentional. sorry :)
20090816 12:51:23< jhaig> zookeeper: So I have to let her recruit, or just stay around for one turn.  I could crowd out her fortress.
20090816 12:51:37< zookeeper> yeah, you can still crowd her castle so she can't recruit
20090816 12:51:40< zookeeper> you'll just never hit her
20090816 12:51:55< jhaig> Erm, is this documented?  :-)
20090816 12:52:14< jhaig> Oh, so until she recruits, I will never hit her?
20090816 12:52:17< zookeeper> no, but what kind of a person tries to kill their sister :|
20090816 12:52:22< zookeeper> no, you'll just never hit her
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20090816 12:52:47< jhaig> zookeeper: An evil and twisted person.  Isn't that the point of the campaign?
20090816 12:53:29< zookeeper> if you want to be able to kill her, then you need to write proper dialogue and stuff so that killing her or letting her live seemingly makes some kind of a difference to the story
20090816 12:54:31< zookeeper> i made her inkillable both because ambushing her when she appears is a cheap exploit and because killing her should make some kind of a difference and currently it wouldn't
20090816 12:54:36< zookeeper> s/inkillable/unkillable
20090816 12:54:56< zookeeper> the former could of course be fixed by a random spawn spot for her
20090816 12:56:08< jhaig> Oh, well.  I'll have to find some other way of beating two unbeatable forces.  :-/
20090816 12:56:24< zookeeper> what difficulty level?
20090816 12:56:41< jhaig> Ahem, easy.  :-)
20090816 12:56:47< jhaig> (I'm not very good)
20090816 12:56:52< zookeeper> well you don't need to beat anyone else but volk himself
20090816 12:57:18< jhaig> Volk always gets killed and leaves the book on the other side of the field.
20090816 12:57:25< zookeeper> ah
20090816 12:57:53< zookeeper> in any case, yes, it's presumably one of the harder scenarios of the campaign, if not the hardest
20090816 12:57:53< jhaig> If only he wouldn't rush off south as soon as the horsemen appear.
20090816 12:58:21< jhaig> Not only the hardest, but considerably harder than any of the others, I think.
20090816 12:59:05< zookeeper> hmm, looks like he's ordered to target the paladin side more than the others
20090816 12:59:24< zookeeper> no idea why it's like that, probably that's what makes him go there
20090816 12:59:56< zookeeper> if you have a turn 1 savefile, i can try to fix it so that he acts a bit more sensibly
20090816 13:00:25< jhaig> Eg, in 'A small favour I', I found that, not only was it easy to beat all the city guards (Volk says your forces are not strong enough), but it is really the only way to get through.
20090816 13:01:10< zookeeper> yeah, that's IMO the weakest scenario of the whole campaign since it makes little sense
20090816 13:01:18< jhaig> zookeeper: No problem.  I'll just go kamakazi, like I think everyone else probably plays it.
20090816 13:01:48< zookeeper> well, it's not only to help you specifically, but it'd also be nice to know whether the fix i have in mind would work adequately so i wouldn't have to test it myself.. ;)
20090816 13:04:16< jhaig> OK, I have my turn 1 auto save file.
20090816 13:04:35< zookeeper> you can upload it to http://filebin.ca
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20090816 13:05:50< jhaig> Hmmm, I've just seen that there is a variable 'malin_used_necomancy'.  Does this mean if you don't recruit in the first scenario, things turn out differently?
20090816 13:05:56< jhaig> zookeeper: http://filebin.ca/mqtwxy
20090816 13:06:54< zookeeper> jhaig, not really, it's just a bit of intro text for the second scenario which changes
20090816 13:06:59< zookeeper> ok, just a minute then..
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20090816 13:11:08< zookeeper> here you go: http://filebin.ca/jsahhx/mqtwxy (nevermind the lack of file extension, it's just an uncompressed save now)
20090816 13:12:35< zookeeper> that _should_ make the behaviour of volk and the paladins a bit easier for you. i'd very much like to hear how much it actually helps.
20090816 13:13:13< jhaig> Thanks.  I'll give that a go.
20090816 13:25:28< zookeeper> another thing that would of course help would be to make the paladins and dela show up a turn or a few later on the easier difficulties
20090816 13:25:33< zookeeper> especially the paladins
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20090816 15:36:20< zookeeper> jhaig, so, any luck?
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20090816 16:05:39< Woodmouse> hey, is there any new terrains in 1.7.2?
20090816 16:05:47< Woodmouse> xD
20090816 16:06:13< VurtualRuler98> You could probably add one.
20090816 16:06:23< VurtualRuler98> And make a land with rivers of soup!
20090816 16:06:24< Woodmouse> ?
20090816 16:06:35< Woodmouse> oooh
20090816 16:06:40< Woodmouse> I checked changelog
20090816 16:06:47< Woodmouse> DRAKE VILLAGE!!!! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
20090816 16:07:28 * Woodmouse downloads 1.7.2
20090816 16:07:58< Woodmouse> I haven't done anything for Wesnoth in a while. :(
20090816 16:07:58< Woodmouse> or even played it. :(
20090816 16:08:20< VurtualRuler98> I can play against myself :D
20090816 16:08:33< Woodmouse> ok
20090816 16:09:24< Woodmouse> myself = my shelf. :O
20090816 16:09:40< Woodmouse> yourself = your shelf. :O
20090816 16:09:57< Woodmouse> xD
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20090816 16:15:42< Woodmouse> I think the "Store userdata in install location" should be the default in the installation....
20090816 16:16:04< Woodmouse> because my friend licked in the oter once
20090816 16:16:07< Woodmouse> *clicked
20090816 16:16:09< Woodmouse> *other
20090816 16:16:56< thespaceinvader> Woodmouse: you might as well wait and get 1.7.3 there will be a release in the next couple of days
20090816 16:17:00< thespaceinvader> lots of new drakes
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20090816 16:18:39< Woodmouse> but I downloaded and installed 1.7.2 alrady. :/
20090816 16:18:41< Woodmouse> *already
20090816 16:18:46< Woodmouse> weeel
20090816 16:18:54< Woodmouse> I dont care
20090816 16:19:10< Woodmouse> Anyway, by new Drakes, you mean like new units?
20090816 16:19:22< Woodmouse> or new mages of them?
20090816 16:19:26< Woodmouse> *images
20090816 16:20:27< Woodmouse> Wow, Drake villages look awesome. 8)
20090816 16:20:30< thespaceinvader> new base frames and animations
20090816 16:20:50< thespaceinvader> for the Burner, Glider line, Fighter and Warrior, which I'm just testing and tweaking now
20090816 16:21:01< Woodmouse> oooh
20090816 16:21:07< Woodmouse> cool 8)
20090816 16:21:44< Woodmouse> Hmmm, I got an idea! :O
20090816 16:21:50< Woodmouse> It's a bit weird, but:
20090816 16:22:27< Woodmouse> What about that when making maps, it could be picked that which village is placed? I mean, like, so the variations wouldn't be random.
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20090816 16:23:53< Woodmouse> brb, toilet
20090816 16:30:16< Woodmouse> I've returned from the dark depths of the toilet, just to tell you people that someone needs to listen to my and my friends's band's music. xD http://www.myspace.com/paskayhtye ......... xDDDDDDDDD
20090816 16:34:24< Woodmouse> (I sing xD)
20090816 16:34:26< Woodmouse> XD
20090816 16:34:28< Woodmouse> XDDDDDDDD
20090816 16:34:38< Woodmouse> [/mini xD-spam]
20090816 16:35:36< Woodmouse> Whyyy is there no wasteland terrain in mainline? :'(
20090816 16:36:03< Woodmouse> Hmm
20090816 16:36:26< Woodmouse> :(
20090816 16:37:25< Woodmouse> Is everyone afk? O.o
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20090816 16:42:27< jhaig> zookeeper: Sorry, I got distracted some time ago.  I did try that modified save file you sent back to me.  I still found it hard, because now Volk's troops don't turn round when the horsemen arrive, and my troops are already mostly dead by the time they catch up.
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20090816 16:48:30< Woodmouse> Hmmm
20090816 16:49:45< Woodmouse> Why does the nap editor say cave bridge in unwalkable? :O
20090816 16:49:47< Woodmouse> *map
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20090816 16:55:29< Woodmouse> NUEEDO! Bwaaaa! Hi! Hello!
20090816 16:55:32< Woodmouse> xD
20090816 16:55:37< BenUrban> lol
20090816 16:55:44< BenUrban> nobody here gets the reference
20090816 16:55:50< Woodmouse> xD
20090816 16:55:50< pf2222> lol
20090816 16:55:54< pf2222> Exactly
20090816 16:55:57< pf2222> But anyway......
20090816 16:56:03< pf2222> NUEEDO! qwerty Bwaaaaaaaaaaaak!
20090816 16:56:19< pf2222> (three different greetings FTW)
20090816 16:56:30< Woodmouse> hmm, tsi, you should download Egoboo. xD
20090816 16:56:37< Woodmouse> it's the greatest game, and you're a great person.
20090816 16:56:46< Woodmouse> (Egoboo and Wesnoth are equal)
20090816 16:57:03< pf2222> lol
20090816 16:57:10< Woodmouse> i's two!
20090816 16:57:13< Woodmouse> *it's true
20090816 17:06:25< Woodmouse> updates
20090816 17:06:27< Woodmouse> brb
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20090816 17:09:23< pf2222> Neil Diamond.
20090816 17:09:47< Woodmouse> ?
20090816 17:09:52< pf2222> dunno
20090816 17:09:54< pf2222> xD
20090816 17:09:58< Woodmouse> lol
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20090816 17:22:38< SekoIdiootti> It's a me, a Woodmouse!
20090816 17:22:39< SekoIdiootti> xD
20090816 17:22:45< pf2222> xD
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20090816 18:49:48< SekoIdiootti_AFK> shower
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20090816 18:53:09< SekoIdiootti> I'll go to the shower soon. xD
20090816 19:12:07< SekoIdiootti> brb, shower
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20090816 19:13:35< grzywacz> ;-)
20090816 19:31:18< Aethaeryn> ?
20090816 19:31:22< Aethaeryn> Did I miss something?
20090816 19:40:41< pf2222> *_*
20090816 19:42:49 * pf2222 leaves and never returns. *_*
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20090816 19:46:01< SekoIdiootti> :O I was banned for some time? Why?
20090816 19:46:26< Soliton> no, you weren't.
20090816 19:46:38< SekoIdiootti> Hmm? I wanst' able to join here when I tried
20090816 19:47:14< Aethaeryn> Might be a bug.
20090816 19:47:38< BenUrban> a bug set a ban on %*!*@cs27017194.pp.htv.fi?
20090816 19:47:48< Aethaeryn> perhaps
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20090816 19:48:24< pf2222> *ignores last said here*
20090816 19:48:35< BenUrban> lol
20090816 19:48:45 * pf2222 does return. :o.
20090816 19:49:08< BenUrban> ...freckle?
20090816 19:49:10< pf2222> ...I dunno.
20090816 19:49:13< BenUrban> lol
20090816 19:49:15< pf2222> he's :o with a period.
20090816 19:49:41< SekoIdiootti> :o
20090816 19:49:52< Aethaeryn> Shocked and with a zit?
20090816 19:49:54< Aethaeryn> :o.
20090816 19:50:12< BenUrban> probably not in her case :P
20090816 19:50:12< SekoIdiootti> LOL, that's funny
20090816 19:51:01< pf2222> case... glasses
20090816 19:51:11< BenUrban> ...?
20090816 19:51:12 * pf2222 puts a tuba in the glasses case.
20090816 19:51:18< SekoIdiootti> lol
20090816 19:51:22< BenUrban> xD
20090816 19:51:24 * pf2222 puts glasses in the tuba case.
20090816 19:52:03 * pf2222 puts the tuba case in the tuba.
20090816 19:52:05< pf2222> The end.
20090816 19:52:13< SekoIdiootti> lol
20090816 19:52:13< Aethaeryn> meh
20090816 19:52:18< Aethaeryn> g2g
20090816 19:52:19< Aethaeryn> bbl
20090816 19:52:20< Aethaeryn> ttyl
20090816 19:52:21< SekoIdiootti> bye
20090816 19:52:22< Aethaeryn> k?
20090816 19:52:34< pf2222> ok
20090816 19:52:36< Aethaeryn> cu l8r ;)
20090816 19:52:41< Aethaeryn> :P
20090816 19:52:43< Soliton> BenUrban: that's a quiet ban which just prevents you to speak not to join.
20090816 19:52:51< Aethaeryn> And that's enough n00bspeak for now
20090816 19:52:53< BenUrban> ah
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20090816 19:52:59< BenUrban> well
20090816 19:53:02< SekoIdiootti> but I wasnmt able to join
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20090816 19:53:19< BenUrban> +b prevents joining as well
20090816 19:53:23< Soliton> you have an odd client then.
20090816 19:53:30< pf2222> ChantChilla!
20090816 19:53:37< Soliton> in this case it does not.
20090816 19:53:57< pf2222> ChantChilla and Bidgin and Colloquy.
20090816 19:54:02< pf2222> :D
20090816 19:54:31< BenUrban> well i do indeed have an odd client
20090816 19:54:43< SekoIdiootti> You do?
20090816 19:54:48< SekoIdiootti> I think he meant me
20090816 19:55:09< BenUrban> colloquy is very odd
20090816 19:55:20< SekoIdiootti> I use ChantChilla. xD
20090816 20:01:52< BenUrban> brb lunch
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20090816 21:29:33< SekoIdiootti_afk> Hmm... I was just thinking, glowing undeads would be cool. xD You know, like, so they would glow red.
20090816 21:29:57< SekoIdiootti_afk> (I'm watching a movie so I'm kinda afk)
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20090816 21:44:02< Ukraneean> maybe if their eyes glowed red...
20090816 21:44:33< Ukraneean> but i think if u made them nightlights they would lose something
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20090816 22:11:50< VurtualRuler98> New mod idea: All undead units create a 3x3 area of day.
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20090816 23:33:09< SekoIdiootti_afk> I need to go sleeping now
20090816 23:33:11< SekoIdiootti_afk> bye
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