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20090823 00:20:20< amlou> Hi
20090823 00:20:33< Tomsik> hi
20090823 00:20:41< shadowmaster> hello there
20090823 00:20:43< amlou> Howdy
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20090823 03:26:25< Pusdesris> Is  the great war era gone?
20090823 03:26:31< Pusdesris> It is not in my client anymore for some reason.
20090823 03:28:35< Soliton> yes, it's gone.
20090823 03:29:49< Pusdesris> WHY?
20090823 03:29:51< Pusdesris> :(
20090823 03:29:59< Pusdesris> What is a good era?
20090823 03:30:07< Soliton> default
20090823 03:30:27< Pusdesris> I liked great war.
20090823 03:30:29< Pusdesris> Why is it gone?
20090823 03:30:40< Soliton> great war was just an arbitrary mix of units. it's trivial to recreate it if you care.
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20090823 08:47:50< namad3> in the past like 2years have there been any new wesnoth single player campaigns?
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20090823 08:49:32< Kenpachi> for mainline?
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20090823 08:51:08< namad3> what is mainline?
20090823 08:51:17< namad3> i mean a new campaign not a new part of an old campaign
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20090823 09:13:57< Soliton> check the changelog or the release announcements. there have been plenty.
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20090823 09:23:18< kardan|> we have problems to enter a local network game: "unknown era", alsthough we install wesnoth-all
20090823 09:23:58< Soliton> that doesn't include custom eras from the addon server.
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20090823 09:41:51< kardan|> Soliton ok, didnt know that. although the 'missing' eras are already installed (i can create games with them). they appear in the addon list although they are installed
20090823 09:42:08< kardan|> i can install them as often i want, nothing changes
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20090823 09:57:41< Soliton> well, what era is it?
20090823 10:05:08< kardan|> we used age of heroes, but i am not sure this matters
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20090823 10:05:45< kardan|> at the end we switched - i opened the game and it worked
20090823 10:05:49< Soliton> uh and where do you get an unknown era error then?
20090823 10:06:29< Soliton> you can't really be missing age of heroes since it comes with wesnoth.
20090823 10:06:36< kardan|> we both use 1.6.4 on sqeeze
20090823 10:07:45< kardan|> i got the error when the other side opened the game. the were eras are installed from the beginning
20090823 10:08:21< kardan|> was confused me, was that even installed eras are offered to install
20090823 10:08:32< Soliton> hmm?
20090823 10:09:05< kardan|> right :)
20090823 10:09:21< Soliton> age of heroes is nowhere offered to install.
20090823 10:12:43< kardan|> it said there are missing eras, when the other side opened an era of heroes game
20090823 10:14:34< Soliton> well, that doesn't make any sense.
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20090823 10:17:36< kardan|> thatswhy I am here seeking support
20090823 10:18:30< Soliton> ok, post a screenshot of the lobby.
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20090823 10:23:20< Ivanovic> moin
20090823 10:24:47< kardan|> cant reproduce atm .. additionally i meant empowered heroes instead of age of heroes before
20090823 10:24:58< kardan|> Soliton thanks for your try to help
20090823 10:25:07< kardan|> will come back later
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20090823 10:27:15< Soliton> well, empowered heroes is a very different story. i think that's from the era of myths.
20090823 10:27:33< Soliton> so whoever got the error needs to install that.
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20090823 10:29:56< kardan|> ye, I got the error and opened the game with it afterwards. i agree that this makes no sense, but I am sure it was true.
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20090823 10:55:17< BiggieSmalls> lk
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20090823 14:03:11< yamokidzu-it> hi
20090823 14:03:38< Blarumyrran> Why, hello there
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20090823 14:03:54< yamokidzu-it> I have a question about wesnoth
20090823 14:05:19< yamokidzu-it> Is this any way to play wesnoth without the "random" factor?
20090823 14:07:18< Blarumyrran> In single-player, you may save-load until you get the exact result you thought should come, instead of the first random one!
20090823 14:08:34< yamokidzu-it> oh
20090823 14:08:57< yamokidzu-it> but it's very annoying!
20090823 14:11:23< yamokidzu-it> For example, there isn't any expansion/ addon/ era able to play without random fighting?
20090823 14:16:49< Blarumyrran> There is an era there called Lessluck Era
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20090823 14:16:56< Blarumyrran> I have no idea what exactly it does
20090823 14:17:09< Blarumyrran> But my educated guess would be that it has less luck somehow
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20090823 14:27:05< yamokidzu-it> oh
20090823 14:27:16< yamokidzu-it> lol
20090823 14:27:26< yamokidzu-it> lessluck era XD
20090823 14:27:45< yamokidzu-it> thank you
20090823 14:27:46< zookeeper> that add-on also contains a noluck era with no luck at all, the lessluck era doesn't work correctly
20090823 14:28:27< yamokidzu-it> it seems to be very coooool!
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20090823 14:29:08< yamokidzu-it> does it works only with the last version
20090823 14:29:13< yamokidzu-it> ?
20090823 14:29:39< zookeeper> it works with the version you can download it from.
20090823 14:30:41< yamokidzu-it> ok thanks
20090823 14:32:49< yamokidzu-it> what about wesnoth previous versions? are they all death or not? Anybody play them?
20090823 14:32:58< yamokidzu-it> I mean in mplayer...
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20090823 14:38:56< yamokidzu-it> ?
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20090823 14:59:24< Woodmouse> WARNING: WEIRDNESS AHEAD: Well, yeah. I've got another idea for a campaign. O.O
20090823 14:59:51< Woodmouse> well, basically for a multiplayer cmpaign.
20090823 14:59:55< Woodmouse> *campaign
20090823 15:01:19< Woodmouse> or maybe just a single player, it's easier to make. But my idea is to make a campaign in a day.
20090823 15:01:47< Woodmouse> not finishing it, though, but making a "raw" version
20090823 15:10:54< Blarumyrran> Will it be derivative & excessive?
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20090823 15:11:52< Woodmouse> no it won't
20090823 15:12:28< Woodmouse> just normal, like... a small campaign about Dwarves leaving their cave place because Trolls and Orcs come there. xD
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20090823 15:54:23< yamokidzu-it> why wesnoth suddenly close itself in the last version? it never happened to me before...
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20090823 16:03:45< Woodmouse> Can Orcs use the camp style houses? Because I'm making a place where Orcs are just campign, and they don't live there.
20090823 16:03:56< Woodmouse> Or should I use the Orc village?
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20090823 16:35:23< grzywacz> yamokidzu-it, any error messages?
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20090823 16:37:54< yamokidzu-it> no error message!
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20090823 16:54:37< vjoe> hello
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20090823 17:03:25< Woodmouse> I'm too lazy to check, but is the Orcish Leader level 2?
20090823 17:09:26< Blarumyrran> If you are too lazy to check units.wesnoth.org, then...
20090823 17:09:44< Woodmouse> I check there then
20090823 17:09:59< Woodmouse> I forgot that existed.
20090823 17:10:42< Woodmouse> ohh, Orcish Ruler is level 2. Then I'll use that in the campaign.
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20090823 17:13:50< Woodmouse> I'm so loving the new Orcish Sovereign sprites... :D they're so cool, really. :D
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20090823 17:46:45< vjoe> Soliton: there's something in the game that doesn't make sense
20090823 17:47:18< vjoe> gryphons should be week vs piece
20090823 18:01:28< yamekidzu-it> hi where can I find the "NoLuck" era? I seen "lessluck" only...
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20090823 18:13:50< vjoe> lol
20090823 18:14:21< Soliton> zookeeper: ^
20090823 18:15:00< Soliton> yamekidzu-it: doesn't it come with the lessluck era?
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20090823 18:34:02< Woodmouse> Should I upload the first scenario of the campaign I'm making? To the addons?
20090823 18:35:22< Woodmouse> It's an Orc campaign. It's... well. Weird. And the music in it is made by me. XD
20090823 18:35:41< Woodmouse> so... Do I upload it or do I need make more scenarios first?
20090823 18:36:53< yamekidzu-it> why wesnoth always use 100%cpu when I end turn?
20090823 18:40:17< Soliton> what happens after you end your turn?
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20090823 19:03:16< yamekidzu-it> it run slowly
20090823 19:03:40< yamekidzu-it> do you know any "NOLUCK" era?
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20090823 19:04:31< Woodmouse> Hey, is it okay to upload the campaign to the addons now? With two scenarios. Or do I post it in the forums?
20090823 19:05:34< Woodmouse> I think forums?
20090823 19:08:52< Soliton> yamekidzu-it: is there some issue with checking whether it comes with the lessluck era?
20090823 19:09:57< Woodmouse> Is 4507 kb too big to be an attachment? (the campaign so far is that)
20090823 19:10:12< Soliton> probably.
20090823 19:10:24< Woodmouse> So I need to upload it to Mediafire then.
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20090823 19:12:31< Woodmouse> the biggest thing in the campaign is the music, I think. :o
20090823 19:12:40< Woodmouse> The two songs I made for it are... weird.
20090823 19:14:40< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: Yes, music always takes a lot of space.
20090823 19:14:48< Aethaeryn> Perhaps separate it into a separate download
20090823 19:15:00< Woodmouse> hmmm, well, I already put it in mediafire
20090823 19:15:11< Woodmouse> and am posting a topic about the campaign
20090823 19:15:21< Aethaeryn> Well, I think the people capable to comment on music and the actual code are different
20090823 19:15:35< Aethaeryn> So probably separating and not requiring a music download at this point would be better.
20090823 19:15:47< Aethaeryn> Less bandwith used.
20090823 19:15:58< Woodmouse> hmm, well, I'll do that in later versions of the campaign. :)
20090823 19:15:58< yamekidzu-it> don't know why but never had 100% cpu with previous version
20090823 19:16:20< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: If you have music, probably post it in Music Development, too.
20090823 19:16:22< Aethaeryn> To get opinions.
20090823 19:16:24< yamekidzu-it> does someone known any "NOLUCK" era?
20090823 19:16:40< Woodmouse> Ok, I'll post it there too.
20090823 19:16:43< Aethaeryn> Eh, lucks' part of the game.
20090823 19:16:44< Woodmouse> (music only)
20090823 19:17:08< Aethaeryn> Yesterday I had over -20% inflicted on key turns during day in a Drake v. Undead situation, thus losing extremely early on.
20090823 19:17:24< Aethaeryn> But that's the worst luck I've ever had, two turns in a row missing like 6-7 50% chances to kill in a row.
20090823 19:20:02< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: "There's no real store or anything, it's just about killing stuff with Orcs. :lol:"
20090823 19:20:12< Woodmouse> yeah. xD
20090823 19:20:15< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: Do you mean "story" or "shop"?
20090823 19:20:21< Woodmouse> story...
20090823 19:20:34< Aethaeryn> Might want to edit that before others notice and are confused.
20090823 19:20:35< Woodmouse> fixing typp
20090823 19:21:08< Woodmouse> fixed
20090823 19:23:12< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: Is this the RPG you were talking about before?
20090823 19:23:17< Woodmouse> no
20090823 19:24:45< Blarumyrran> Yeah, how would you kill orcs without a shop!
20090823 19:24:49< Blarumyrran> That is silly
20090823 19:24:56< Blarumyrran> You'd get killed!
20090823 19:25:09< Woodmouse> lol! I fixed the typo already. Anyway, uploading the songs.
20090823 19:26:41< Woodmouse> posted the songs
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20090823 19:32:49< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: I have but one response to your music thread, "Woody's Music."
20090823 19:32:53< Aethaeryn> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Woody.jpg
20090823 19:33:09< Woodmouse> LOL, why?
20090823 19:33:22< Aethaeryn> (I'd post it on the forums, but I don't think the mods take kindly to image-only responses that don't add to the C&C.)
20090823 19:33:47< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: Ever see Toy Story?
20090823 19:33:54< Woodmouse> yep.
20090823 19:34:00< Aethaeryn> Exactly.
20090823 19:34:09< Woodmouse> well....
20090823 19:34:21< Woodmouse> I still don't get it... ^^;
20090823 19:34:41< Aethaeryn> Did you click on the image?
20090823 19:34:59< Woodmouse> nothing happens...?
20090823 19:35:08< Aethaeryn> ...
20090823 19:35:20< zookeeper> yamekidzu-it, stop asking when obviously you don't read the answers anyway.
20090823 19:35:47< Woodmouse> (yes, I'm slow)
20090823 19:36:09< zookeeper> and i suppose the answer would be that it doesn't come with the lessluck era, at least not anymore
20090823 19:36:17< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: (That's not a good thing.)
20090823 19:36:29< Aethaeryn> I'm going to attribute this to the language barrier, shrug, and move on.
20090823 19:36:40< Woodmouse> ok
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20090823 20:12:25< Blarumyrran> I dont get it either
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20090823 20:36:40< zookeeper> anyone who can handle rather basic-seeming trigonometry around? i'll offer to write a bit of WML for anyone who solves my annoying problem.
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20090823 20:40:22< zookeeper> i have an arbitrary point somewhere on the screen. there's a line which runs through it as well as the center of the screen. what i want is to calculate the coordinates of the point where that line intersects with the edge of the screen. the formula for that shouldn't be too hard to figure out, right?
20090823 20:40:57< elias> which edge?
20090823 20:41:17< zookeeper> (oh, correction: there's a line running through it, originating from the center of the screen)
20090823 20:41:30< zookeeper> elias, whichever edge it intersects with
20090823 20:42:02< zookeeper> i feel silly for being stuck on figuring this out for so long -.-
20090823 20:42:55< elias> hm, one idea would be to calculate intersection with all 4 edges, then sort by distance
20090823 20:43:11< zookeeper> oh, no, preferably i just want a one-liner
20090823 20:43:37< elias> don't think that's possible
20090823 20:43:44< zookeeper> uh, why not?
20090823 20:44:10< elias> well, line<->line intersection itself will be more than one line
20090823 20:45:44< zookeeper> well, just to clarify, i'm programming something in lua
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20090823 20:46:38< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, I dont get it either, what was the joke?
20090823 20:46:45< zookeeper> anyway i don't see why you'd need more than a one-liner formula for that. it's just some trigonometry
20090823 20:47:07< elias> zookeeper: if the screen edge would be a circle, yes
20090823 20:47:16< elias> but you have 4 lines or line segments
20090823 20:47:22< yamekidzu-it> hi zookeeper!
20090823 20:47:27< yamekidzu-it> hi all guys
20090823 20:47:32< shadowmaster> hello there
20090823 20:48:14< zookeeper> elias, well, ok, if you're sure it needs to be handled differently for different angles
20090823 20:48:59< yamekidzu-it> do you created the "lessluck" era?
20090823 20:49:17< zookeeper> yamekidzu-it, yes, i did
20090823 20:49:34< zookeeper> the noluck era was originally included in it, but i think i removed it some time ago because it sucked
20090823 20:49:42< yamekidzu-it> I tried it with 1.6.4 version but it's slow
20090823 20:50:22< yamekidzu-it> *the lessluck mod
20090823 20:51:29< elias> zookeeper: well, if the point is at x, y relative to the center, and the right screen edge is at r relative to the center, the point (r, y * r / x) should hit the right screen edge
20090823 20:51:42< yamekidzu-it> Thank you for the add-on but there isn't any way to totally delete the randomness of wesnoth?
20090823 20:51:53< elias> so you can do the same for the 4 other edges
20090823 20:52:09< elias> then check signs and distance to see which one is the right one
20090823 20:52:51< zookeeper> yamekidzu-it, no, there's not. wesnoth just isn't the game for you if you want absolutely no luck.
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20090823 20:56:01< maackey> zookeeper: how does the lessluck addon work?
20090823 20:56:23< zookeeper> elias, hmm, ok. but then i need to do some kind of a check to see which one of the edges the line would intersect
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20090823 20:57:10< zookeeper> maackey, it silently changes your side's chance to hit on the next attack depending on whether your previous strike hit or missed. but the mechanism is still very much faulty, the probabilities just start to shift towards 50%.
20090823 20:59:03< maackey> I was thinking of a process which would have you hit precisely the percentage of attacks of the defense (ie. if a dwarf on a mountain had 70% defense you would hit with 30% of your attacks, or your remainder would have a 30% chance to hit)
20090823 20:59:39< zookeeper> so when you shoot that dwarf with 5 thunderers, you'll hit with none?
20090823 20:59:43< maackey> and a fencer attacking someone on 50% terrain would hit two times, the order being random
20090823 21:00:01< maackey> no, the one shot will have a 30% chance to hit
20090823 21:00:03< maackey> like regular
20090823 21:01:05< maackey> it still has a level of randomness, but it makes it so multiple attacks wont miss *every* time
20090823 21:01:05< zookeeper> so you could hit with 5 thunderers in a row, but never hit with more than 1 axe strike if you attacked with another fighter?
20090823 21:02:34< maackey> i suppose
20090823 21:03:18< maackey> but you would hit with that one
20090823 21:03:41< maackey> or if rounded down i guess it would be 90%
20090823 21:03:55< maackey> i haven't really gotten into the maths, but just thought of the idea the other day
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20090823 21:04:30< maackey> I think it would work pretty well though
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20090823 21:05:07< maackey> the average attacks would essentially be the same, as the remainder attacks (the ones that don't divide evenly) would still have the percent chance to hit
20090823 21:05:11< zookeeper> the thing with pretty much all lessluck ideas is that they're very exploitable. sure, complete newbies could maybe get a feeling for a more "fair" match, but anyone who knows what they're doing would be able to abuse the system.
20090823 21:05:26< maackey> right
20090823 21:05:31< zookeeper> they'd know when it'd be the best time to attack with that thunderer against the enemy leader, for example
20090823 21:05:35< maackey> but as long as there *is* a lessluck mod.. ;)
20090823 21:06:04< elias> zookeeper: my final solution would look like something like this: http://paste.debian.net/44868/
20090823 21:06:05< maackey> well, the same tactics go into regular wesnoth
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20090823 21:09:21< zookeeper> elias, wow. thanks, i'll need to to try that, although i can't do it right now. i still have to adjust it to take into account that the center isn't the origin, but i guess i can handle that..
20090823 21:10:18< zookeeper> elias, so, assuming it works, what WML do you need written? ;P
20090823 21:11:07< elias> heh, just can't resist trying to solve any math problems if i see one in one of the channels i zap through :)
20090823 21:11:19< zookeeper> oh, that's gonna be good to know!
20090823 21:11:23< zookeeper> i suck at math
20090823 21:11:40< zookeeper> but thanks again, i'll go watch some galactica first and then try it out ->
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20090823 22:09:54< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: what other channel?
20090823 22:10:01< Woodmouse> #egoboo
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20090823 22:34:53< Woodmouse> xD
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20090823 22:46:59< grzywacz> meh, too short
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