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20090824 00:30:26< vjoe> guys
20090824 00:30:43< vjoe> have you played with a user whose nick is "z"
20090824 00:30:44< vjoe> ?
20090824 00:30:47< vjoe> yeah, just z
20090824 00:34:37< mthe> i am ... mthe, surprisingly;)
20090824 00:34:52< mthe> what about this z? ;)
20090824 00:35:02< mthe> is he/she/it ... good?
20090824 00:35:18< mthe> vjoe ?
20090824 00:36:14< vjoe> he seems the kind of guy who would be in the irc channel
20090824 00:36:16< vjoe> and stuff
20090824 00:36:17< vjoe> eheh
20090824 00:36:25< vjoe> like the other kind I spoke about
20090824 00:36:26< vjoe> hm
20090824 00:36:28< vjoe> sauron I think
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20090824 00:38:26< Blarumyrran> What are the kind of guys who would be in the irc channel like?
20090824 00:38:29< Blarumyrran> Hairy?
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20090824 00:45:29< wajimba> notoriously
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20090824 00:47:27< wajimba> what is the command to do an action like that again?
20090824 00:47:46< shadowmaster> /me
20090824 00:47:58 * wajimba thanks shadowmaster
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20090824 01:48:32< Ingmar> Why do I get these errors about images not being found when they are in the right place (afaics?) http://dpaste.com/84396/
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20090824 01:51:08< Jean-Pierre> So, /usr/share/wesnoth/data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/images/campaign_image.jpg is actually in there?
20090824 01:51:35< Ingmar> Jean-Pierre: Indeed, it is
20090824 01:51:47< Ingmar> and permissions are right, etc
20090824 01:53:27< Ingmar> I built using CMake btw
20090824 01:54:30< Jean-Pierre> I don't really know Exherbo, so let's blame it =D
20090824 01:55:37< Ingmar> Sure, but given that I maintain the package, i'd rather know where to look for what might cause it ;)
20090824 01:56:30 * shadowmaster checks
20090824 01:56:56< Ingmar> I'll guarantee you that it won't be a bug in our package that isn't also in your current svn :)
20090824 01:57:09< Ingmar> It's not doing anything more than cmake . & make && make install
20090824 01:57:12< shadowmaster> I'm checking too
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20090824 01:57:25< shadowmaster> okay, doesn't happen here.
20090824 01:57:34< Ingmar> Also built with cmake?
20090824 01:57:36< shadowmaster> using 1.7.3+svn r38028
20090824 01:57:49< shadowmaster> scons
20090824 01:57:55< shadowmaster> I haven't installed it though
20090824 01:58:16< Ingmar> Alright, that's a start
20090824 01:58:37< Ingmar> Is there a way to get notified for releases btw?
20090824 01:58:42< Ingmar> To know when to update my packages
20090824 01:59:06< shadowmaster> Probably you should ask Ivanovic to do so. (crazy-ivanovic@gmx.net is his email)
20090824 01:59:16< shadowmaster> he prefers to email packagers himself IIRC.
20090824 01:59:18< Ingmar> Alright
20090824 02:00:38< shadowmaster> Ingmar: are you sure those files aren't corrupted btw? (just checking)
20090824 02:01:34< shadowmaster> that error message is used for any condition that may not allow loading an image file (including SDL_image or SDL bugs)
20090824 02:02:04< Ingmar> UtBS_title.jpg opens fine in konqueror
20090824 02:02:25< shadowmaster> hm.
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20090824 02:06:05< shadowmaster> I guessI  will try installing wesnoth with scons for the first time.
20090824 02:07:04< Soliton> Ingmar: when do you get those errors?
20090824 02:08:48< Ingmar> Soliton: When I click "Campaign" in the main menu
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20090824 02:11:09< Soliton> very odd. maybe your sdl image can not handle jpeg?
20090824 02:11:38< shadowmaster> libjpeg is required, yeah
20090824 02:12:26< Ingmar> That's enabled though
20090824 02:12:33< Ingmar> I'll have another look, thanks at least!
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20090824 03:32:57< VurtualRuler98> Elvish_Pillager, you're acting like it needs to be stated that xchat "sux".
20090824 03:33:35< Elvish_Pillager> er, no
20090824 03:33:52< Elvish_Pillager> if it needed to be stated, I'd rig it up to automatically state that whenever I join a channel ;p
20090824 03:33:59< Aethaeryn> he's explained it elsewhere.
20090824 03:34:14< Elvish_Pillager> no, I have this nick because xchat doesn't allow you to have different tertiary nicks for different networks
20090824 03:34:16< Aethaeryn> (1) "sux" because it's a universal nick and some networks have a much shorter nick limit
20090824 03:34:25< Aethaeryn> (2) xchat < irssi
20090824 03:34:37< Aethaeryn> I may have embellished #2 :>
20090824 03:34:38< VurtualRuler98> mIRC reigns king of clients though.
20090824 03:34:42< Aethaeryn> No.
20090824 03:34:57< VurtualRuler98> Does your client do 200 channels at once?
20090824 03:35:15< Aethaeryn> mIRC sucks quite a bit, it's just that it suffers from the Windows must-follow-everyone-else mentality.
20090824 03:35:26< Aethaeryn> it even has its own in-house scripting language, quite inferior to what irssi does
20090824 03:35:34< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: I'm pretty sure it could, but I never tried.
20090824 03:35:38< VurtualRuler98> The language works fine.
20090824 03:35:49< VurtualRuler98> I've prefered mIRC over every other client I've ever used.
20090824 03:36:01< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Does *your* client have the ability to run in an indestructable screen, so it doesn't go down even if your GUI crashes as long as your computer remains up?
20090824 03:36:18< Aethaeryn> Thought so :P
20090824 03:36:26< VurtualRuler98> Actually yes.
20090824 03:36:27 * Blarumyrran wants to see an indestructable screen!
20090824 03:36:32< Elvish_Pillager> who would want to do 200 channels at once
20090824 03:36:34< VurtualRuler98> Unless you're wording that just to get a "yes" that isn't justified.
20090824 03:36:39< VurtualRuler98> Elvish_Pillager, I don't know either, but people do.
20090824 03:36:46< VurtualRuler98> I keep my limit at 30-40, sometimes 50.
20090824 03:37:16< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Please enlighten me as to how a Windows (not Linux) proprietary IRC client with a GUI can run in a terminal screen?
20090824 03:37:18< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, I'm using windows, here the GUI doesnt crash constantly
20090824 03:37:19< Aethaeryn> :P
20090824 03:37:43< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Depends on *which* windows. I was a ME user.
20090824 03:37:51< Blarumyrran> 2k
20090824 03:37:56< Blarumyrran> I think ive said that.
20090824 03:38:10< Aethaeryn> At any rate, Windows has its peculiarities. It isn't perfect because it's popular.
20090824 03:38:20< Aethaeryn> I find it much harder to use Windows now that I've spent years mostly using Linux.
20090824 03:38:32< VurtualRuler98> Oh no, ubuntu 0.0000001 or gentoo -404030 or red hat -3 doesn't do this thing which is needed for something only arond now.
20090824 03:38:58< Aethaeryn> No centralized package manager for installations, having to suffer shareware programs because certain logical things aren't included in the OS (I think you can't even take *screenshots* without such a program in XP)
20090824 03:39:10< VurtualRuler98> print screen.
20090824 03:39:13< VurtualRuler98> It's been around for a while.
20090824 03:39:37< Aethaeryn> Windows is not easier than Linux, it's just that more people use it more often and so they are used to its user-unfriendliness with its user-friendliness.
20090824 03:40:00< Aethaeryn> Not that I hate Windows, I just can't use it anymore, the little things bug me too much about it.
20090824 03:40:39< Aethaeryn> At any rate, irssi really is an extremely popular IRC client among people who have been using IRC for years, such as myself.
20090824 03:40:39< Blarumyrran> GUI not constantly crashing weighs pretty strong on the user-friendliness side tho
20090824 03:40:57< VurtualRuler98> Windows is simpler for complete idiots since it doesn't at any time bug you about modifications of stuff, or interrupt you.
20090824 03:40:59< Aethaeryn> mIRC is often used by entry-level IRC users, such as myself when I first used IRC.
20090824 03:41:16< Aethaeryn> It is better than Windows xchat (pay, ugh) or chatzilla (never liked the interface) though, I'll give you that.
20090824 03:41:19< VurtualRuler98> Windows Vista asks you to press a button and people shun it.
20090824 03:41:40< Aethaeryn> < VurtualRuler98> Windows is simpler for complete idiots since it doesn't at any time bug you about modifications of stuff, or interrupt you. <- Unfortunately, I don't want to use an OS whose selling point is "for complete idiots"
20090824 03:41:54< Blarumyrran> lol?
20090824 03:42:07< Aethaeryn> Similarly, I cringe when I hear this point in a Best Buy commercial: "it comes preloaded with software so she doesn't have to do a thing"
20090824 03:42:28< Aethaeryn> aka. "It comes loaded with trialware to bloat your computer and be all-around unnecessary"
20090824 03:42:56< VurtualRuler98> The selling point for people with brains is "capitalism means quality".
20090824 03:42:59< Aethaeryn> I just have a different mindset when it comes to computers than most people.
20090824 03:43:07< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: No.
20090824 03:43:09< Aethaeryn> XD
20090824 03:43:19< Aethaeryn> "Firms maximize profit." is the rule of capitalistic economics.
20090824 03:43:23< Aethaeryn> That does not mean quality.
20090824 03:43:51< Aethaeryn> That actually often means the opposite, outsourcing overseas for cheaper manufacturing costs so they can undercut their competitors in price.
20090824 03:44:05< Blarumyrran> Photoshop is strictly better than Gimp. 3dmax is strictly better than Blender.
20090824 03:44:27< Aethaeryn> Obviously.
20090824 03:44:34< VurtualRuler98> As long as there isn't a monopoly, you have to up quality and advertisement to win.
20090824 03:44:52< Aethaeryn> In terms of software, being not-for-profit and volunteer-basis does not work out so well, because you cannot have a full-time paid staff.
20090824 03:45:14< Aethaeryn> Also, as you've seen with Wesnoth, people are easier to leave and harder to attract because they have to do things because they *want* to, not because they get money.
20090824 03:45:23< Aethaeryn> People like to make money. :P
20090824 03:45:31< VurtualRuler98> Living and eating is a nice thing.
20090824 03:45:31< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Not necessarily.
20090824 03:45:35< Aethaeryn> You can up the perception of quality.
20090824 03:45:40< VurtualRuler98> Advertisement.
20090824 03:45:43< Aethaeryn> Exactly.
20090824 03:45:43< Elvish_Pillager> Aethaeryn: lol?
20090824 03:45:44< VurtualRuler98> "This is totally awesome you should use it!"
20090824 03:45:53< Aethaeryn> There was a Pringles commercial that was just like that.
20090824 03:46:10< Aethaeryn> Read it in a thread in off topic, saw the commercial the other day, and realized that person's commentary was just right.
20090824 03:46:15< VurtualRuler98> Of course, when you make something better, word-of-mouth advertisement helps alot.
20090824 03:46:20< Aethaeryn> Basically: "Why have chips in a can vs. a bag? IT'S COOLER!"
20090824 03:46:27< Blarumyrran> It is, tho
20090824 03:46:29< VurtualRuler98> Cans are cooler, and make cantennas.
20090824 03:46:29< Elvish_Pillager> yeah... you don't have to make people LIKE your product to sell it, you just have to make people WANT your product.
20090824 03:46:38< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090824 03:46:58< VurtualRuler98> Ooh, and they make giant bullets for potato cannons.
20090824 03:46:59< Aethaeryn> But it's a misconception that capitalism creates quality automatically.
20090824 03:47:06< Elvish_Pillager> heh.
20090824 03:47:06< Aethaeryn> Often people choose cost over quality.
20090824 03:47:18< Aethaeryn> The lack of competition, however, *does* hurt quality.
20090824 03:47:24< Aethaeryn> It works negatively, not positively.
20090824 03:47:31< Aethaeryn> At least imo
20090824 03:47:32< Elvish_Pillager> and you can't remove the lack of competition completely/.
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20090824 03:48:03< Aethaeryn> At any rate, most people who take ECON 101 misinterpret it.
20090824 03:48:08< VurtualRuler98> I have yet to get a lays bag to contain hairspray and fit conveniently in a PVC pipe, actually.
20090824 03:48:18< Aethaeryn> The supply/demand charts and most of the concepts are for a perfectly competitive market.
20090824 03:48:28< Elvish_Pillager> yup
20090824 03:48:31< Aethaeryn> i.e. ones where there are many buyers, many sellers, and the same product
20090824 03:48:35< Aethaeryn> That almost never happens in RL.
20090824 03:48:46< Aethaeryn> Even with agriculture, Farmer Bob's pumpkins are bigger than Farmer Tom's
20090824 03:48:52< VurtualRuler98> Either way, windows is great, it has its powers.
20090824 03:49:12< Aethaeryn> Windows is not great, it is tolerable for the majority of people.
20090824 03:49:19< Aethaeryn> People choose standardization over quality, actually.
20090824 03:49:34< Aethaeryn> People would rather have one Windows, one Photoshop, etc., than multiple products competing, which would actually increase quality.
20090824 03:49:41< Aethaeryn> IE didn't bring in tabbed browsing until Firefox did
20090824 03:49:46< Blarumyrran> Standardization is often quality
20090824 03:49:51< VurtualRuler98> Windows has lots of quality, and plenty of standardization.
20090824 03:49:52< Aethaeryn> In fact, IE was stagnant for quite some time until Firefox was popular.
20090824 03:49:58< VurtualRuler98> If people only have one thing, they make that one better.
20090824 03:50:07< Aethaeryn> It may be quality, but if you only have one thing, it risks *stagnation*
20090824 03:50:15< VurtualRuler98> Linux is nice and all, but windows is nice.
20090824 03:50:20< Elvish_Pillager> hiya
20090824 03:50:25< Aethaeryn> or worse, innovation in the wrong direction *cough* Windows ME *cough*
20090824 03:50:38< Aethaeryn> Linux has its drawbacks, but I am willing to suffer them for the sake of fostering competition.
20090824 03:50:46< Elvish_Pillager> Windows sucks majorly. Mac OS sucks majorly. Linux sucks moderately.
20090824 03:50:55< Aethaeryn> If enough people had my attitude, there woudl be increased quality all around, for Windows users, Mac users, *and* Linux users, not just Linux users
20090824 03:51:12< Elvish_Pillager> either that or everyone would have converted to linux already
20090824 03:51:17< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, where DO macs factor in?
20090824 03:51:28< Elvish_Pillager> which - hey, guess what - does not work based on competition
20090824 03:51:35< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Art schools and bookstore cafes.
20090824 03:51:38< Aethaeryn> That's where they factor in.
20090824 03:51:49< VurtualRuler98> I mean, your equation doesn't really factor in a secondary money-eating OS.
20090824 03:52:01< VurtualRuler98> Infact, it could easily be wiped out halfway, and that'd introduce stagnation more.
20090824 03:52:03< Blarumyrran> Being female factors
20090824 03:52:06< Aethaeryn> Eh, it's not really that close. The iPod saved Apple's ass.
20090824 03:52:41< Aethaeryn> The market share of Windows today is similar to the market share of Standard Oil (famous late 1800s early 1900s U.S. monopoly and example of why monopolies are bad and how they grow) at its peak.
20090824 03:52:49< Aethaeryn> Not too many people know that and those who do ignore it.
20090824 03:53:21< Aethaeryn> I'd be the guy willing to pay an extra dollar for gas just to stop that damn monopoly.
20090824 03:53:22< VurtualRuler98> What could possibly kill windows?
20090824 03:53:40< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: if people, individually, by word of mouth, stopped wanting it.
20090824 03:53:45< Elvish_Pillager> ooh, I know what could kill windows
20090824 03:53:49< Aethaeryn> It wouldn't kill Windows, it would actually make it better.
20090824 03:53:51< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, are you sure US would be a superpower now if not for Standard Oil?
20090824 03:54:00< Elvish_Pillager> a non-windows operating system that you can download and install in 15 seconds
20090824 03:54:05< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: so many great things happened by the US being a superpower
20090824 03:54:08< Elvish_Pillager> that is just like it except faster and better
20090824 03:54:09< Blarumyrran> yes
20090824 03:54:10< Aethaeryn> Ask Latin America and Africa ;)
20090824 03:54:15< VurtualRuler98> That'd be like people not doing it for health reasons, morals, and even just to not end up having a kid.
20090824 03:54:27< Blarumyrran> Africa?
20090824 03:54:31< Blarumyrran> what do you mean?
20090824 03:54:37< Aethaeryn> Cold War
20090824 03:54:44< Aethaeryn> Africa was a central battleground there.
20090824 03:54:46< Elvish_Pillager> what, Blarumyrran is in this conversation now? I better go
20090824 03:54:50< Blarumyrran> :P
20090824 03:54:54< VurtualRuler98> No, come back, Elvish_Pillager.
20090824 03:54:55< Blarumyrran> I waited for this
20090824 03:54:57< Aethaeryn> I should've listed southeast asia as well
20090824 03:55:01< Aethaeryn> that was too obvious though :P
20090824 03:55:06< Elvish_Pillager> VurtualRuler98, give me one good reason
20090824 03:55:06< VurtualRuler98> If we get enough people talking we should be able to move it into other channels!
20090824 03:55:14< VurtualRuler98> We can revolutionize OSes!
20090824 03:55:25 * Elvish_Pillager turns her or his computer around
20090824 03:55:30< Elvish_Pillager> haha. OS revolutionized.
20090824 03:55:33< Elvish_Pillager> We're done!
20090824 03:55:34< VurtualRuler98> It'll be like our scientific revolution!
20090824 03:55:51< Aethaeryn> But if you really wanted Windows to be better, counterintuitively, do *not* use Windows.
20090824 03:55:53< VurtualRuler98> Your hard drive has been spinning constantly.
20090824 03:55:58< Elvish_Pillager> "Science is progressing at 60 RPM..."
20090824 03:56:02< Aethaeryn> And you'll see the power of competition happen if it dropped 10% to 20% in market share
20090824 03:56:16< Aethaeryn> Windows 8 would be the best Windows ever, and would be critically hailed.
20090824 03:56:17< VurtualRuler98> Elvish_Pillager, 31 revolutionary discoveries per month currently.
20090824 03:56:19< Blarumyrran> If I want linux to be better, I do not use Linux
20090824 03:56:30< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: moot point, because Linux is not the popular one.
20090824 03:56:31< Blarumyrran> Otherwise id be swaering at it more, discouraging others
20090824 03:57:07< Aethaeryn> You want to use the *less* popular at the expense of the *more* popular, because the least popular (yet still alive) tend to be the most innovative, while innovation dulls when they get too popular.
20090824 03:57:15< VurtualRuler98> It's historical fact that just doing something yourself requiring a large degree of it happening to have an effect will not affect anything.
20090824 03:57:26< Aethaeryn> In fact, a lot of their R&D then goes into things not related to their money-makers
20090824 03:57:30< Aethaeryn> Xbox? Zune? :P
20090824 03:57:38< Aethaeryn> When you give Windows your dollars.
20090824 03:57:40< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, that's more of "how can we get bigger".
20090824 03:57:45< Blarumyrran> No, you just want to feel yourself part of the elite by choosing the allegedly rare but intellectual os
20090824 03:58:11< Aethaeryn> No.
20090824 03:58:17< Blarumyrran> yes you do, you totally do
20090824 03:58:19< Aethaeryn> Personal taste. For my preferences, I like Linux.
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20090824 03:58:33< Aethaeryn> People should have the freedom to follow their tastes. One size does not fit all.
20090824 03:58:35< Blarumyrran> because of that in a large part too, im sure
20090824 03:58:36< VurtualRuler98> I've only seen two major benefits from using any form of linux on my computer.
20090824 03:58:46< Aethaeryn> I like Dr. Pepper over Coke, and Coke more than Pepsi
20090824 03:59:00< Blarumyrran> I have never drinked Dr Pepper
20090824 03:59:09< Blarumyrran> Ive seen it in some shops lately tho, guess i could try
20090824 03:59:13< Aethaeryn> Why should someone who likes Pespi say I like Dr. Pepper just to be an elite lover of great, but rare soda?
20090824 03:59:16< Aethaeryn> :P
20090824 03:59:20< VurtualRuler98> And both of them are google.
20090824 03:59:27< Aethaeryn> Overseas, I liked Pepsi over Coke.
20090824 03:59:33< Aethaeryn> I guess different formulas in different regions.
20090824 03:59:38< VurtualRuler98> I like mountain dew. :/
20090824 03:59:39< Aethaeryn> I don't like it as much as Coke in the U.S.
20090824 03:59:52< Blarumyrran> Dno, coca & pepsi taste wholly the same to me
20090824 03:59:53< VurtualRuler98> You kids and your pepsi and coke and dr pepper and your halos.
20090824 03:59:55< Aethaeryn> And I happen to like Dr. Pepper a little more than Coca Cola, though Coke is my #2
20090824 04:00:09< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: ironic. Mountain Dew is the most "kid" oriented :P
20090824 04:00:11< Aethaeryn> in advertising
20090824 04:00:19< Blarumyrran> Isnt mountain dew alcoholic?
20090824 04:00:22< Aethaeryn> "Mountain Dew! It's awesome! Xtreme Sports people drink it!"
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20090824 04:00:34< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: I don't think so.
20090824 04:00:36< VurtualRuler98> Blarumyrran, pepsi has a more chemically warm flavor, coca cola has a "crisp" feel, incites cold flavors, and more smoothly affects your tongue.
20090824 04:00:40< Aethaeryn> If it is, I suddenly need to try Mountain Dew ;)
20090824 04:00:59< VurtualRuler98> Dr pepper has a strong fizzy multi-sharp-object sharp flavor.
20090824 04:01:15< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, thank you for this sudden source of insight!
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20090824 04:01:30< Aethaeryn> lol
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20090824 04:01:40< Aethaeryn> I wouldn't consider Dr. Pepper fizzy though.
20090824 04:01:49< Aethaeryn> It has the least of the bubbles at the top when you pour it from a fountain
20090824 04:02:01< VurtualRuler98> Mountain dew taste immensely overstates the temperature, with no imminent example of the flavor. Mountain Dew Throwback goes down softer and feels more... calm.
20090824 04:02:05< Aethaeryn> My friend (and roommate next semester) likes to mix Dr. Pepper with Coke, to get more carbonation
20090824 04:02:38< Aethaeryn> To change the subject:
20090824 04:02:39< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=378842#p378842
20090824 04:02:41< Blarumyrran> Mountain Dew’s name is a previously-existing euphemism for moonshine, which likely traces back to Ireland (see the Irish folk song “The Rare Auld Mountain Dew”), and has generally been marketed to highlight its potency. It was originally marketed as “zero proof moonshine” and had pictures of hillbillies on the bottle until 1973. Bascom Lamar Lunsford’s original recording of “Old Mountain Dew”, an Appalachian old-time song, was used as the fi
20090824 04:02:46< Aethaeryn> ZOMG, new chocobone
20090824 04:02:51< VurtualRuler98> Sprite tastes simpler than mountain dew.
20090824 04:03:27< Blarumyrran> Like someone from my course said
20090824 04:03:28< Aethaeryn> (@ Blarumyrran the artist in particular)
20090824 04:03:43< Blarumyrran> Coca cola & apple juice are always provocative drinks
20090824 04:03:51< Aethaeryn> Coca Cola originally had cocaine
20090824 04:03:54< Blarumyrran> nobody will ever believe you wont have vodka mixed into them
20090824 04:03:58< Aethaeryn> but Mountain Dew is alcoholic?
20090824 04:04:05< Aethaeryn> As in, you can get drunk with like 10 cans?
20090824 04:04:07< VurtualRuler98> It isn't.
20090824 04:04:10< Aethaeryn> :P
20090824 04:04:17< VurtualRuler98> It just came from that type of history, it never was alchoholic.
20090824 04:04:19< Blarumyrran> Yeah i was wrong
20090824 04:04:24< Aethaeryn> eh
20090824 04:04:34< Blarumyrran> I had read the article once, rememberd wrong
20090824 04:04:35< Aethaeryn> I guess Mountain Dew is made to be mixed with moonshine then, based on Blarumyrran's description
20090824 04:04:36< VurtualRuler98> In the same way if you market something as tasting like fire.
20090824 04:04:41< Aethaeryn> I'll have to try it sometime (two years from now)
20090824 04:04:43< VurtualRuler98> It isn't fire, you don't ignite it.
20090824 04:04:52< VurtualRuler98> And no, it isn't meant to be mixed with moonshine either.
20090824 04:04:56< VurtualRuler98> It's just the branding origins.
20090824 04:05:08< Aethaeryn> Coca Cola is Coaine + Kola
20090824 04:05:16< Aethaeryn> They changed it to Cola to match the starting letter
20090824 04:05:19< VurtualRuler98> Infact, to quote a literary genius.
20090824 04:05:33< VurtualRuler98> "Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing, but too much of an awesome thing is a very bad thing."
20090824 04:05:37< Blarumyrran> My description?
20090824 04:05:39< Blarumyrran> Wikipedia
20090824 04:05:50< Aethaeryn> I think they dropped Coca Cola's not-so-secret ingredient though.
20090824 04:05:51< Blarumyrran> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_dew#Promotions
20090824 04:05:51< VurtualRuler98> Mountain Dew+anything=horrifyingly bad tasting
20090824 04:06:02< VurtualRuler98> horrifyingly horrifying
20090824 04:06:12< Aethaeryn> Which is a problem for their company, their product used to keep people coming back. ;)
20090824 04:06:20< Blarumyrran> Ive never seen anything named mountain dew here :/
20090824 04:06:20< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Mountain Dew = bad tasting
20090824 04:06:21< Aethaeryn> imo
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20090824 04:06:28< VurtualRuler98> Warm mountain dew alone can give people dhiarrhea in some cases.
20090824 04:06:35< Aethaeryn> eh, that might be it
20090824 04:06:39< VurtualRuler98> It's entirely at the peak of epic strong flavor.
20090824 04:06:43< Aethaeryn> I only ever had Mountain Dew when I lived overseas, in the desert.
20090824 04:06:50< Aethaeryn> It's hard to keep things cold in the desert :P
20090824 04:06:55< VurtualRuler98> What country?
20090824 04:06:59< Aethaeryn> Saudi Arabia.
20090824 04:07:04< VurtualRuler98> Yyyeah it'll suck.
20090824 04:07:16< Aethaeryn> that's why I point out that "Ar Riyad" is spelled wrong in Modern Combat
20090824 04:07:20< Aethaeryn> It's totally "Riyadh"
20090824 04:07:28< Blarumyrran> Dont start talking about it
20090824 04:07:34< Blarumyrran> they couldnt even spell helsinki
20090824 04:07:34< VurtualRuler98> Although, mountain dew only comes in two marketed forms for the normal name.
20090824 04:07:35< Aethaeryn> I only lived there fore 4 years.
20090824 04:07:42< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: they never fixed it
20090824 04:07:49< Aethaeryn> even though I pointed it out before even the alpha.
20090824 04:08:08< VurtualRuler98> The normal mountain dew, and in some areas, throwback style as the normal mountain dew.
20090824 04:08:27< VurtualRuler98> Although that's changing quickly.
20090824 04:08:35< Aethaeryn> at any rate, "Riyadh" is how most westerners spell it in English.
20090824 04:08:41< Blarumyrran> http://drmcninja.com/page.php?pageNum=24&issue=15
20090824 04:09:05< Aethaeryn> "Ar Riyad" is how people who pronounce "Qutar" as "cut-ter" in Fox News commentary spell it.
20090824 04:09:09< VurtualRuler98> Mainly because you might have a militia of gamers with powerful guns they know how to use very well if their dew tastes bad.
20090824 04:09:29< VurtualRuler98> Also...
20090824 04:09:30< VurtualRuler98> "Modern Combat"?
20090824 04:09:33< Blarumyrran> Qutar?
20090824 04:09:40< Blarumyrran> Modern Combat is a wesnoth mod
20090824 04:09:45< Blarumyrran> Whats Qutar?
20090824 04:09:48< VurtualRuler98> Greeeat.
20090824 04:09:51< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: A country next to Saudi Arabia. Was mentioned a lot around the Iraq War, as there is a U.S. base of operations there.
20090824 04:09:53< Blarumyrran> add-on*
20090824 04:09:54< VurtualRuler98> I was beaten to the badly-made punch.
20090824 04:10:00< Aethaeryn> East of Arabia, north of U.A.E
20090824 04:10:01< Blarumyrran> Qatar.
20090824 04:10:05< Aethaeryn> ah damn.
20090824 04:10:14< Jean-Pierre> well, I tried to make PK improve Cartography and city names
20090824 04:10:20< Aethaeryn> See? The bad pronunciation messed up my spelling :P
20090824 04:10:20< VurtualRuler98> qway-tar
20090824 04:10:38< Aethaeryn> < VurtualRuler98> "Modern Combat"? <- Modern Warfare was taken.
20090824 04:10:39< Jean-Pierre> it would be much worse if I hadn't corrected a lot of stuff, believe me :-P
20090824 04:10:48< VurtualRuler98> There's a wesnoth modern warfare mod?
20090824 04:10:49< Jean-Pierre> he just doesn't like to accept opinions
20090824 04:11:06< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: it's modern-style gun-weilding units on a worldmap
20090824 04:11:39< Aethaeryn> and PK doesn't listen to any of my suggestions in terms of map balancing, fixed spellings, or unit balancing. Meh.
20090824 04:12:01< VurtualRuler98> Don't tell him how to balance things.
20090824 04:12:04< Aethaeryn> it's like he makes the stuff to pass time instead of to play.
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20090824 04:12:10< VurtualRuler98> Just say what your experience is, in an opinionless matter.
20090824 04:12:24< Aethaeryn> Eh. I got one thing balanced.
20090824 04:12:29< Blarumyrran> "I experience a great disturbance in the Balance!"
20090824 04:12:34< Aethaeryn> By using a bad map imbalance against A Guy.
20090824 04:12:41< Aethaeryn> The same imbalance that PK used against me in the game prior to that.
20090824 04:12:44< Aethaeryn> That got it fixed.
20090824 04:13:01< VurtualRuler98> "Around 23% of the games I, and many other people play end up having XYZ units fighting entirely over ABC location in DEF location."
20090824 04:13:07< Aethaeryn> The best way to fix an imbalance in an add-on with stubborn makers is to use it against them.
20090824 04:13:19< Aethaeryn> People hate to lose by imbalances, but love to win by them.
20090824 04:13:54< Blarumyrran> Well, use all the imbalances against him then
20090824 04:14:03< Jean-Pierre> that makes sense
20090824 04:14:05< Aethaeryn> Eh, some things I'm stuck with.
20090824 04:14:14< VurtualRuler98> I'd probably try my hand at a total conversion...era? If I could actually figure out how to get the :create command to work with my test units.
20090824 04:14:17< Jean-Pierre> what to make with cartography and spelling mistakes, though?
20090824 04:14:20< Aethaeryn> I can't use Riyad(h)'s bad spelling against him, for instance.
20090824 04:14:28< Jean-Pierre> I offered to CORRECT them myself
20090824 04:14:30< Aethaeryn> iirc, Arabic has a hard dh and a soft d
20090824 04:14:34< Aethaeryn> I know they have three k's
20090824 04:14:40< Jean-Pierre> all the map and such
20090824 04:14:51< Aethaeryn> which is probably why it's Riyad*h*
20090824 04:15:00< Jean-Pierre> so he could just look at it, and if he didn't liked the new look, he could discard it
20090824 04:15:03< Jean-Pierre> but he refused
20090824 04:15:05< Jean-Pierre> D=
20090824 04:15:08< Aethaeryn> Btw, I've determined I can't run for president ever.
20090824 04:15:11< VurtualRuler98> hey guys!
20090824 04:15:14< VurtualRuler98> What were we just saying!
20090824 04:15:16< Ukraneean5> don't say that
20090824 04:15:19< Ukraneean5> im sure ur as qualified as obama
20090824 04:15:19< VurtualRuler98> Give him some competition!
20090824 04:15:22< Aethaeryn> If people were making a big deal about Obama going to school in indonesia...
20090824 04:15:35< Aethaeryn> I spent 5 childhood years in the *Middle East*
20090824 04:15:44< Aethaeryn> that's terroristland to the ignorant americans.
20090824 04:15:50 * Blarumyrran points finger
20090824 04:15:52< Ukraneean5> it IS terroristland though
20090824 04:15:53< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, do you meet the hard requirements?
20090824 04:15:53< Ukraneean5> :P
20090824 04:16:01< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Yes. Born in Maryland.
20090824 04:16:10< Aethaeryn> I was kinda joking though.
20090824 04:16:21< VurtualRuler98> Then if anyone complains call them a communist-terrorist(-athiest).
20090824 04:16:22< Aethaeryn> I can't run for president because (1) I'm not part of a party and (2) I'm not rich.
20090824 04:16:26< VurtualRuler98> The latter should be used only by professionals.
20090824 04:16:41< Blueblaze> :z
20090824 04:16:44< Aethaeryn> Who knows, maybe I'll marry a hot and rich woman for political power, whom I will later cheat on for no good reason in a big media scandal.
20090824 04:16:50< Ukraneean5> Obama was in a white middle-class fami- oh wait no he lied about that
20090824 04:16:50< Aethaeryn> Then I can be a polician. yay.
20090824 04:16:53< Ukraneean5> they were rich
20090824 04:17:06< VurtualRuler98> I'm rich but I don't have any form of party.
20090824 04:17:09< VurtualRuler98> I think I'm set.
20090824 04:17:19< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: hey, buddy.
20090824 04:17:35< VurtualRuler98> No I won't push your agenda to make Debian the state religion of the USA.
20090824 04:17:36< Aethaeryn> what's your Wesnoth name? I need to make sure you're on my friend's list.
20090824 04:17:41< Aethaeryn> :P
20090824 04:17:44< VurtualRuler98> I'd guess VurtualRuler98.
20090824 04:17:47< VurtualRuler98> It could also be Vurtual.
20090824 04:17:49< Aethaeryn> :P
20090824 04:17:57< Jean-Pierre> lol
20090824 04:18:05< VurtualRuler98> It's going to be windows ME just to drive you mad
20090824 04:18:06< Aethaeryn> Could also be 89RelurLauturv
20090824 04:18:25< Aethaeryn> Windows ME was the highest concentration of blue screens I've ever seen.
20090824 04:18:33< Aethaeryn> And Fedora has blue as its desktop background color.
20090824 04:18:39< Blarumyrran> you misspelt
20090824 04:18:49< VurtualRuler98> So does ME though, and the menus can be blue.
20090824 04:18:56< VurtualRuler98> Or white bordered black with blue and purple colors.
20090824 04:19:02< Ukraneean5> u can change them to silver
20090824 04:19:02< VurtualRuler98> How can ANYONE use that?
20090824 04:19:03< Ukraneean5> :D
20090824 04:19:14< Aethaeryn> that's not the blue screen I was talking about ;)
20090824 04:19:18< Blarumyrran> Ive heard horror stories of Solaris color schemes
20090824 04:19:24< Ukraneean5> silver with neon pink borders of course
20090824 04:19:27< Aethaeryn> solaris is blue too
20090824 04:19:35< Blarumyrran> uh, i heard all-purple
20090824 04:19:39< Aethaeryn> or at least the opensolaris my dad had on his laptop 
20090824 04:19:41< Aethaeryn> looked blue at least
20090824 04:19:42< VurtualRuler98> It's like when I figured out how to make an animated backgrounds for windows ME and didn't have any creativity
20090824 04:19:53< Blarumyrran> ooh
20090824 04:20:04< VurtualRuler98> I abused gradients and effects and just had them cycle between red, blue, green, yellow.
20090824 04:20:05< Blarumyrran> i did an animated background for windows 98
20090824 04:20:14< VurtualRuler98> Best background ever, it made people get headaches.
20090824 04:20:23< Aethaeryn> all the Fedora backgrounds since around 8 changed with the time of day.
20090824 04:20:25< Blarumyrran> it was a starcraft screenshot, with birds flying around a spruce
20090824 04:20:31< VurtualRuler98> I didn't need a password to keep people off, I just left it there.
20090824 04:20:41< Aethaeryn> though I think 7, 8, and 9 were the most obvious changing ones
20090824 04:21:02< Aethaeryn> 10 (solar) doesn't change too much (just the sun waves) and 11 I haven't really noticed if it changes.
20090824 04:21:07< Aethaeryn> So I take that statement back. :P
20090824 04:21:22< Aethaeryn> So subtle lately though.
20090824 04:21:24< VurtualRuler98> In the future we will have Bloom support for our monitors.
20090824 04:21:34< VurtualRuler98> They will darken in a dark environment dynamically.
20090824 04:21:39< Ukraneean5> in the future we won't have monitors!
20090824 04:21:40< VurtualRuler98> But will always be way too bright.
20090824 04:21:46< Aethaeryn> in the future, our monitors will be see-through glass
20090824 04:21:51< VurtualRuler98> In the future... monitor have you.
20090824 04:21:51< Aethaeryn> So we won't be able to use non-text things.
20090824 04:21:54< Ukraneean5> we will have just a keyboard and glasses that we put on
20090824 04:22:05< Aethaeryn> In Soviet Russia, computers have you!
20090824 04:22:09< Ukraneean5> LOL
20090824 04:22:11< Blarumyrran> That was lame
20090824 04:22:17< Ukraneean5> i thought it was good
20090824 04:22:19< Ukraneean5> :)
20090824 04:22:22< Blarumyrran> :(
20090824 04:22:25< VurtualRuler98> In small country in middle of nowhere, you break law.
20090824 04:22:29< VurtualRuler98> In soviet russia, law break YOU!!
20090824 04:22:29< Aethaeryn> In Soviet Russia, the secret police "disappear" Blarumyrran?
20090824 04:22:40< Aethaeryn> :P
20090824 04:22:49< Blarumyrran> That doesnt make sense either
20090824 04:22:59< Ukraneean5> in america you ask what you can do for your country
20090824 04:23:01< Aethaeryn> It's not a Russian reversal.
20090824 04:23:02< Blarumyrran> Blarumyrran disappear secret police isnt very sensible
20090824 04:23:03< Aethaeryn> I know
20090824 04:23:05< Ukraneean5> in soviet russia you ask what you can do to avoid your country
20090824 04:23:17< Blarumyrran> I like the classic
20090824 04:23:27< Blarumyrran> In US, you can always find a party
20090824 04:23:34< Aethaeryn> lol
20090824 04:23:37< Blarumyrran> mhm.
20090824 04:23:38< Jean-Pierre> haha
20090824 04:23:42< VurtualRuler98> In USA, cult covers up any negative evidence government has.
20090824 04:24:03< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: I forgot, your country used to be PART of the Soviet Union.
20090824 04:24:04< VurtualRuler98> In Soviet Russia, government covers up any negative evidence about YOU!!
20090824 04:24:04< Jean-Pierre> in soviet russia cult covers you up?
20090824 04:24:05< Aethaeryn> What was that like?
20090824 04:24:08< Jean-Pierre> haha
20090824 04:24:09< Ukraneean5> oh i like the ronald reagan one.  In soviet russia if they allowed a party to form other than the communists it would still be a one party country because everyone would join the new party.
20090824 04:24:21< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: being a godless Red and all.
20090824 04:24:22< Blarumyrran> I wasnt born in SU anymore, tho :P
20090824 04:24:48< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: born after '91?
20090824 04:24:50< VurtualRuler98> Russia has bear cavalry.
20090824 04:24:53< VurtualRuler98> But finland has finland.
20090824 04:24:58< Blarumyrran> no
20090824 04:25:01< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Finland has Linus Torvalds.
20090824 04:25:05< Ukraneean5> finland has reindeer cavalry
20090824 04:25:10< VurtualRuler98> But finland has finland.
20090824 04:25:21< Aethaeryn> Finland has penguins.
20090824 04:25:25< Jean-Pierre> and skiing assassins
20090824 04:25:28< Aethaeryn> In their zoo probably.
20090824 04:25:35< Jean-Pierre> that killed lots of Russian officers in WWII
20090824 04:25:40< VurtualRuler98> Which consists of miniature versions of Simo häyhä.
20090824 04:25:48< Jean-Pierre> also the best plane pilots in that war
20090824 04:26:01< Blarumyrran> Russians had tank dogs
20090824 04:26:06< Blarumyrran> They were dogs with bombs
20090824 04:26:06< Ukraneean5> they had a good army for their land size
20090824 04:26:08< Ukraneean5> omg the tank dogs!
20090824 04:26:12< Ukraneean5> but they attacked their own tanks sometimes!
20090824 04:26:14< Blarumyrran> yep
20090824 04:26:15< Ukraneean5> they couldn't distinguish
20090824 04:26:16< Blarumyrran> :)
20090824 04:26:17< VurtualRuler98> Blarumyrran, in soviet russia, anti-tank weapon blows up YOU!!
20090824 04:26:21< Jean-Pierre> a Russian officer was killed by KNIFE, by a Finland guy, in WWII, and he ran away skiing
20090824 04:26:24< Aethaeryn> Germany had motorcycle soldiers.
20090824 04:26:28< Jean-Pierre> most epic assassination ever
20090824 04:26:32< Ukraneean5> lmao
20090824 04:26:34< Ukraneean5> "Stop him!"
20090824 04:26:36< Blarumyrran> _ran_ away _skiing_?
20090824 04:26:36< Aethaeryn> According to Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
20090824 04:26:38< Ukraneean5> "He's too fast!"
20090824 04:26:38< Blarumyrran> cool
20090824 04:26:45< Jean-Pierre> well, figuratively ran away
20090824 04:26:47< Aethaeryn> but skiing > motorcycles XD
20090824 04:26:56< Jean-Pierre> lets say escaped  :-P
20090824 04:27:03< VurtualRuler98> Remember kids, Simo buried himself in the snow, with a mosin "spitz".
20090824 04:27:03< Blarumyrran> US nearly had bat bombs, ofc
20090824 04:27:03< Aethaeryn> Too bad Finland lost WWII :P
20090824 04:27:05< Jean-Pierre> well, in WWII there were no motorcycles
20090824 04:27:07< Jean-Pierre> lol
20090824 04:27:16< Ukraneean5> there was an american that captured an entire german platoon by himself tho :P
20090824 04:27:28< VurtualRuler98> Then he filled his mouth with snow so noone could see his breath, and used iron sights.
20090824 04:27:31< Aethaeryn> Finland is a case of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" in terms of WWII
20090824 04:27:32< Jean-Pierre> well, it would have been worse for them if their resistance hadnt been so successful
20090824 04:27:33< Ukraneean5> lmao
20090824 04:27:37< Aethaeryn> And it wound up with the Nazis stabbing them in the back XD
20090824 04:27:39< VurtualRuler98> And killed 500 people.
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20090824 04:27:44< Aethaeryn> Not very nice. Same with Italy.
20090824 04:27:46< Ukraneean5> wait im sure we all read the same cracked.com article
20090824 04:27:50< Ukraneean5> :P
20090824 04:27:51< VurtualRuler98> Obviously.
20090824 04:27:52< Jean-Pierre> they also got to coin the "molotov cocktail" term
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20090824 04:28:17< VurtualRuler98> Now I want the soldier in TF2 to get a claymore as a melee unlock :(
20090824 04:28:24< Ukraneean5> in soviet russia the government will give YOU a molotov cocktail
20090824 04:28:27< Jean-Pierre> they said it was because Russian propaganda said that they were sending aid kits by plane, I think Molotov was in charge of that
20090824 04:29:03< Blarumyrran> Molotov was the closest right hand stalin had, he mustve been in charge of everything ever
20090824 04:29:27< Aethaeryn> hrmm
20090824 04:29:31< Ukraneean5> he was the one that wasn't killed right?
20090824 04:29:32< Ukraneean5> XD
20090824 04:29:33< Jean-Pierre> so they called the gasoline filled bottles they used to heat up the russian tank's motors as "Molotov's cocktails"
20090824 04:29:37< Blarumyrran> mhm
20090824 04:29:40< Aethaeryn> Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
20090824 04:29:47< Jean-Pierre> heat up as in overheat
20090824 04:29:48< Aethaeryn> That's what I think of when I hear "Molotov"
20090824 04:30:12< Jean-Pierre> not the cocktail? much better known
20090824 04:30:16< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090824 04:30:20< Aethaeryn> But I'm a history person.
20090824 04:30:26< Blarumyrran> Yeah, even i know the coctail better
20090824 04:30:28< Aethaeryn> And a poli sci person.
20090824 04:30:33< Aethaeryn> And Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact = case of epic fail.
20090824 04:30:38< Blarumyrran> and finland is less than 300 km from here
20090824 04:30:54< Blarumyrran> Why epic fail?
20090824 04:30:57< VurtualRuler98> I think I need to go figure out why my wesnoth units can't be used now.
20090824 04:31:02< Blarumyrran> It was rather successful for su
20090824 04:31:02< Ukraneean5> epic or just great?
20090824 04:31:03< Jean-Pierre> poli sci?
20090824 04:31:12< Aethaeryn> Jean-Pierre: Political science.
20090824 04:31:23< Ukraneean5> lol political science
20090824 04:31:27< Jean-Pierre> ok, that makes sence
20090824 04:31:29< Aethaeryn> Because universities are too fancy to have "pre-law"
20090824 04:31:43< Blarumyrran> predatory lawmanship?
20090824 04:36:00< VurtualRuler98> I think I may be the only person on earth to like C++ and hate Lua.
20090824 04:36:38< Blarumyrran> yes
20090824 04:39:32< VurtualRuler98> WML has officially taken my #1 hated spot now.
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20090824 04:40:10< shadowmaster> I like C++. I hate Python.
20090824 04:40:15< shadowmaster> I don't want to learn Lua.
20090824 04:40:21< shadowmaster> I love Perl :P
20090824 04:40:45< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Damn, I didn't need that link.
20090824 04:41:31< VurtualRuler98> Python is great, and powerful. C++ is immensely powerful and easy to use, Lua goes against things it shouldn't and fails in many ways.
20090824 04:41:48< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: It's genuinely funny.
20090824 04:41:59< Blarumyrran> Mountain dew?
20090824 04:42:23< Aethaeryn> Yes, the mountain dew link
20090824 04:42:32< VurtualRuler98> WML has forced me to spend my entire afternoon avoiding a simple project: copy-pasting a loyalist spearman and giving it a different name.
20090824 04:42:53< Blarumyrran> Yeah it's a real gem. My favorite comic probably.
20090824 04:43:17< Aethaeryn> My porn-addicted roommate was reading it last year.
20090824 04:43:21< Aethaeryn> Which is why I stayed away from it.
20090824 04:43:22< VurtualRuler98> What's this about mountain dew?
20090824 04:43:27< Aethaeryn> I needed someone "cool" to link to it.
20090824 04:43:34 * Blarumyrran is cool
20090824 04:43:37< Aethaeryn> Exactly.
20090824 04:43:46< Aethaeryn> Your posts are funny, you have taste in humor.
20090824 04:43:47< Aethaeryn> I don't :P
20090824 04:43:58< VurtualRuler98> What's this about mountain dew, and how didn't it highlight me?
20090824 04:44:09< Aethaeryn> http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=9497 <- this shirt that was advertized on the side was funny.
20090824 04:45:13< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, i was looking at my shoes, they were funny.
20090824 04:45:35< VurtualRuler98> And why is wesnoth hiding the "core" data folder from me!?
20090824 04:45:37< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: http://drmcninja.com/page.php?pageNum=33&issue=15 the dialog in this one and the one right before was laughably bad
20090824 04:45:54< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: it is? how?
20090824 04:45:54< Blarumyrran> All the panels have alt-text too
20090824 04:45:57< Aethaeryn> "Ha ha! Good bye! You will die now! Ha... Ha"
20090824 04:46:14< VurtualRuler98> shadowmaster, I spent hours finding it on my Ubuntu 9.04 laptop.
20090824 04:46:21< Aethaeryn> Something you expect from a really badly translated foreign comic.
20090824 04:46:25< VurtualRuler98> I'll probably spend hours finding it on my windows XP desktop.
20090824 04:46:42< Aethaeryn> 22:47:43 < Blarumyrran> All the panels have alt-text too
20090824 04:46:45< Aethaeryn> ?
20090824 04:46:50< VurtualRuler98> I'm not even going to start thinking about finding it on Windows Vista.
20090824 04:46:53< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, mousing-over.
20090824 04:47:26< Aethaeryn> Ah, yeah.
20090824 04:47:33< Aethaeryn> Noticed that.
20090824 04:48:36< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: the /usr/share/* path is standard for any Ubuntu or Debian package
20090824 04:48:51< VurtualRuler98> I found it there.
20090824 04:48:55< VurtualRuler98> I'm finding it on windows XP now.
20090824 04:49:30< shadowmaster> in Windows it should be <install dir>/data/core
20090824 04:49:35< VurtualRuler98> Then I'll have to figure out what's the purpose of the .wesnoth1.6 in my home folder.
20090824 04:49:39< shadowmaster> there's no magic there.
20090824 04:49:45< shadowmaster> that's your config dir.
20090824 04:49:48< VurtualRuler98> There isn't a core.
20090824 04:50:16< VurtualRuler98> Apparently it's just /data/
20090824 04:50:24< Aethaeryn> O.o
20090824 04:50:27< Aethaeryn> Wrong folder.
20090824 04:50:29< VurtualRuler98> In the version on this PC.
20090824 04:50:35< Aethaeryn>  /data/core is the main datafolder
20090824 04:50:40< shadowmaster> the .wesnoth1.6 dir is your config dir; you'll have your preferences, custom maps and add-ons there.
20090824 04:50:44< VurtualRuler98> All the important units.
20090824 04:50:45< Aethaeryn>  /data under your userdata folder has things like add-ons
20090824 04:50:59< VurtualRuler98> Okay, the folder mystery is solved.
20090824 04:51:16< Aethaeryn> They renamed "campaigns" to "add-ons" in 1.7 since basically the only folder used is "data/campaigns/" and everything (not just campaigns) goes in there
20090824 04:51:20< shadowmaster> it's no mystery actually; it's afairly standard hieararchy.
20090824 04:51:21< Aethaeryn> and removed the other ones
20090824 04:51:27< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I did that renaming :P
20090824 04:51:32< Aethaeryn> I actually rather like the hierarchy
20090824 04:51:39< Aethaeryn> other than ".wesnoth1.6"
20090824 04:51:45< Aethaeryn> When I compile I make it ".wesnoth-1.6" :P
20090824 04:51:47< Aethaeryn> More standard.
20090824 04:52:02< shadowmaster> complain to Ivanovic, he maintains the cmake recipe
20090824 04:52:06< Aethaeryn> Just because you're FOSS, doesn't mean you shouldn't comply with naming standards.
20090824 04:52:12< VurtualRuler98> Now to figure out how to successfully make a different unit out of the loyalist spearman.
20090824 04:52:14< Aethaeryn> And more of my data folders use the dash
20090824 04:52:21< shadowmaster> and he also influences the other recipes with his blahblah
20090824 04:58:38< VurtualRuler98> Apparently the id isn't the only thing I have to change.
20090824 05:01:48< shadowmaster> change the name.
20090824 05:02:06< shadowmaster> and check existing add-ons and http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Create before complaining
20090824 05:02:36< VurtualRuler98> I've changed every last single thing about the unit except animations.
20090824 05:03:12< shadowmaster> and your unit is in what directory?
20090824 05:04:19< VurtualRuler98> Just to check: There aren't any naming conventions or requirements for the * in .wesnoth1.6/data/units/*/ are there?
20090824 05:04:49< shadowmaster> that directory isn't used.
20090824 05:05:05< VurtualRuler98> Well.
20090824 05:05:09< shadowmaster> or at least, shouldn't be used. I don't remember if I destroyed it on 1.6 or 1.7
20090824 05:12:20< VurtualRuler98> Well, the folders were there when I went digging around and I tried it.
20090824 05:13:05< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: it's just meant to confuse.
20090824 05:13:15< Aethaeryn> Everything is done through .wesnoth*/data/campaigns
20090824 05:13:40< Aethaeryn> I have not seen a single add-on that uses another folder, and I'm not sure the add-on server would recognize it if it was there.
20090824 05:13:57< Aethaeryn> Confusing, yes, but that's why it was renamed to .wesnoth1.7/data/add-ons in 1.7
20090824 05:14:37< Aethaeryn> If you want to put units, you will want to do it through the ".wesnoth1.6/data/campaigns/YourAddonName/units" folder
20090824 05:14:53< Aethaeryn> All add-ons are organized into their own folders like that.
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20090824 05:16:34< maackey> quick question: does magenta teamcolor have to be 100% opaque?
20090824 05:19:19< Aethaeryn> maackey: most likely.
20090824 05:19:22< Blarumyrran> no; the teamcolorcircles use some other teamcolor, but they are not 100% opaque everywhere
20090824 05:19:32< Aethaeryn> oh, okay
20090824 05:19:39< Aethaeryn> but it *does* have to be a specific shade
20090824 05:19:48< Aethaeryn> You need to sample it from a set pallet.
20090824 05:21:28< maackey> well, i copied the three magenta colors form the wiki
20090824 05:21:36< maackey> and the shadow color while i was at it
20090824 05:21:51 * maackey goes off to test it
20090824 05:22:01< Blarumyrran> you should only use magenta on sprites
20090824 05:22:28< maackey> what else would it be used for?
20090824 05:22:31< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: megane's windsong looked nice with liberal use of TC
20090824 05:22:42< maackey> :O i <3 the windsong
20090824 05:22:43< Aethaeryn> but 100% TC... that'd be interesting.
20090824 05:22:50< Aethaeryn> maackey: too bad megane disappeared.
20090824 05:22:54< Blarumyrran> .. i meant,
20090824 05:23:00< Blarumyrran> not green or red tc
20090824 05:23:03< Aethaeryn> Probably killed Thunderstone for a year.
20090824 05:23:07< Blarumyrran> or blue, if thats still mainline too
20090824 05:23:21< Aethaeryn> (megane was going to do the elves)
20090824 05:23:44< Blarumyrran> he made some awesome animals in the end, iirc
20090824 05:24:00< Aethaeryn> I liked megane's style.
20090824 05:24:10< maackey> apparently it does have to bee 100% :/
20090824 05:24:19< Blueblaze> 101%
20090824 05:24:19< Aethaeryn> And flattery is a good way to convert artists to your side. Doesn't work for Blarumyrran, though, no matter how brilliant his monsters are :(
20090824 05:24:35< Blarumyrran> and yep, blue teamcolor is still mainline
20090824 05:24:43< maackey> oh? do you have a link to some of his stuff? :P
20090824 05:24:54< Aethaeryn> maackey: look at his avatar
20090824 05:24:57< Aethaeryn> not my favorite though
20090824 05:25:11< Aethaeryn> I do like the "story art" of the cuttle fish XD
20090824 05:25:29< Aethaeryn> Most things are situational, like you need to read the whole thread to understand the context when they randomly pop up.
20090824 05:25:34< Aethaeryn> And yes, they are usually humorous.
20090824 05:27:00< maackey> well, i'm searching through his posts and finding nothing
20090824 05:27:28< Blarumyrran> http://imagebin.org/60090
20090824 05:27:40< Blarumyrran> http://imagebin.org/60756
20090824 05:27:44< Aethaeryn> maackey: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Contrib:Syntax_Error
20090824 05:27:46< maackey> :)
20090824 05:27:47< Blarumyrran> http://imagebin.org/60822
20090824 05:27:47< Aethaeryn> his old name
20090824 05:28:01< Aethaeryn> warning, it's a bandwith drain: the bot lifts things you post
20090824 05:28:07< Aethaeryn> *all* things
20090824 05:28:14< Blarumyrran> no?
20090824 05:28:18< Blarumyrran> I mean,
20090824 05:28:19< maackey> wow
20090824 05:28:24< Blarumyrran> The bot hasnt done anything for years
20090824 05:28:32< Blarumyrran> Most of my stuff there is crappy
20090824 05:28:38< Aethaeryn> oh
20090824 05:28:45< maackey> its better than what i can do :<
20090824 05:28:48< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: the hats though, I like the crowns
20090824 05:28:49< Blarumyrran> Which is convinient with having a new name :>
20090824 05:29:11< maackey> the link aethaeryn had was epic tho :P is that in 1.7 or something?
20090824 05:29:15< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: you made them, or did you just touch them up?
20090824 05:29:25< Aethaeryn> maackey: no, it's a bot that lifts a bunch of stuff.
20090824 05:29:32< Aethaeryn> Apparently it broke and doesn't do recent crawling
20090824 05:29:42< Aethaeryn> so you may want to follow his links instead
20090824 05:29:58< Blarumyrran> Crowns? I made them, but they suck, i now think
20090824 05:30:15< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: but the concept is great.
20090824 05:30:22< Aethaeryn> much better than just having one of the leaders.
20090824 05:30:31< Aethaeryn> Revive the concept with your new skill?
20090824 05:30:51< Blarumyrran> I mean, i personally think the 3 links for imagebin are much better, having been done in recent days :>
20090824 05:31:25< maackey> yes, they are quite nice
20090824 05:32:05< Aethaeryn> Yes, I agree.
20090824 05:32:18< Aethaeryn> But the crown project being finished would be totally awesome.
20090824 05:32:34< maackey> crown project?
20090824 05:32:35< Aethaeryn> Even if you just redraw things. That's the thing about improving on talents... you do things 2x as good in 1/2 the time.
20090824 05:32:51< Blarumyrran> No, i dont
20090824 05:32:59< Aethaeryn> maackey: using fancy crown things instead of just a random (well, not so random, but still) lvl 2 leader for the faction image
20090824 05:33:00< Blarumyrran> I just dont post intermediate versions
20090824 05:33:37< maackey> aren't faction images defined in faction.cfg?
20090824 05:33:38< Blarumyrran> Btw, i did something that crown-project-like for a mod
20090824 05:34:30< Aethaeryn> maackey: but they are leader images
20090824 05:34:33< Aethaeryn> Not unique images.
20090824 05:34:33< Blarumyrran> Apparently yes, why?
20090824 05:34:39< Aethaeryn> It would look much better as unique images.
20090824 05:34:42< Aethaeryn> (If done right)
20090824 05:37:41< maackey> 6 shield standards would be relatively easy to make i would think
20090824 05:38:38< maackey> heck, I might just have a go at making some ;)
20090824 05:38:51< Blarumyrran> Do them in pixel-art tho
20090824 05:39:41< maackey> i was going to make them the same size as the units; 72x72
20090824 05:40:07< Aethaeryn> maackey: that would be the size the interface allows for the faction icons
20090824 05:40:12< Aethaeryn> If you want to do them, you might as well.
20090824 05:40:21< maackey> although, come to think of it, a more detailed version would probably look nicer
20090824 05:40:24< Aethaeryn> I might have a go with some kind of faction images for Thunderstone, if I ever complete the main unit art.
20090824 05:40:28< Aethaeryn> No.
20090824 05:40:51< maackey> don't worry, i'll stick with 72
20090824 05:41:02< Aethaeryn> Making every line more crowded and tall wouldn't be cool just for a 200x200 image that people will get sick of after two weeks, no matter how good
20090824 05:41:03< maackey> i'm not sure i could make a bigger version look as good ;)
20090824 05:43:36< Blarumyrran> http://filebin.ca/yruhws/Pseudocrowns.zip
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20090824 05:58:42< maackey> ooh, looks nice
20090824 05:58:59< maackey> anyway, i've got the basic shapes down for all the factions, except for drakes
20090824 05:59:15< maackey> any ideas what would be a good "standard" shape for them?
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20090824 07:05:54< Aethaeryn> maackey: if you're doing shields, take inspiration from the Wesnoth logo
20090824 07:06:09< Aethaeryn> there's a redesigned one on the forums that's a WIP, a small version of that could be the loyalist one.
20090824 07:08:48< maackey> I actually got sidetracked making teamcolor and shadows for my mage(and the sorceress)
20090824 07:09:02< maackey> but i've got all the basic shapes/colors laid out
20090824 07:09:34< maackey> the drakes have a slightly firey outline on an otherwise round base
20090824 07:09:56< maackey> ehh, i can't really describe it that well, i can upload it if you want
20090824 07:10:39< maackey> http://img22.imageshack.us/i/corefactions.png/
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20090824 18:24:30< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090824 19:13:14< yamokidzu-it> hi
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20090824 19:15:33< DaKalle> i just downloaded wesnoth but i cant find any .exe files or how to run program, can anyone tell me how?
20090824 19:16:55< zookeeper> you probably downloaded the source then
20090824 19:17:24< DaKalle> thata possible
20090824 19:17:26< DaKalle> -.-
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20090824 19:23:01< yamokidzu-it> Does someone know any good addon/ era or similar that decrease the randomness of wesnoth?
20090824 19:23:14< Woodmouse> Hmm... Just a question... When I made the two songs, and posted them to the forums, does that make the drums gpl? I mean, so I can't use the same drum comp for a song that won't be for Wesnoth?
20090824 19:24:00< Blarumyrran> I can safely say that nobody will ever want to sue anything for those drums :>
20090824 19:24:13< Woodmouse> :D
20090824 19:24:16< Woodmouse> xD
20090824 19:25:10< yamokidzu-it> Does someone know any good addon/ era or similar that decrease the randomness of wesnoth?
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20090824 20:09:04< noy> yamokidzu-it: there are a few floating around
20090824 20:09:11< noy> but none really have any acceptance. 
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20090824 20:38:40< yamokidzu-it> do you know someone?
20090824 20:38:57< yamokidzu-it> Does someone know any good addon/ era or similar that decrease the randomness of wesnoth?
20090824 20:39:50< Soliton> what's wrong with the lessluck era?
20090824 20:39:57< zookeeper> no, there's nothing like that which works and/or doesn't completely suck.
20090824 20:40:24< zookeeper> Soliton, the shift towards 50%
20090824 20:41:11< Soliton> well, i meant in his opinion which is unlikely based on a probability analisys. ;-)
20090824 20:42:03< zookeeper> yeah, well..
20090824 20:42:12< zookeeper> apparently it's slow for him or something
20090824 20:42:16 * zookeeper shrugs
20090824 20:42:36< Zarel> So, um.
20090824 20:42:45< Zarel> Does anyone here know anything about OpenAL?
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20090824 20:45:08< yamokidzu-it> oh
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20090824 20:47:50< yamokidzu-it> yes lessluck mod is really slow in my pc but in the forum there are others with the same problem
20090824 20:49:52< Soliton> i've not seen anyone complain about performance issues with the lessluck era. link?
20090824 20:50:44< yamokidzu-it> wait
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20090824 21:09:13< yamokidzu-it> Soliton: here's a page I found: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=24869
20090824 21:16:17< vjoe> hi
20090824 21:22:10< yamokidzu-it> where can I find previous versions?
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20090824 21:25:49< Soliton> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Download
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20090824 21:48:48< maackey> hi everyone
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20090824 22:32:44< vjoe> hi
20090824 22:32:46< vjoe> anyone?
20090824 22:32:48< vjoe> undeads rock
20090824 22:32:57< Woodmouse> yeah they do
20090824 22:33:20< vjoe> my 2 walking corpses turned into 5
20090824 22:33:20< vjoe> :D
20090824 22:39:24< zookeeper> elias, btw, that coordinate formula you gave me worked rather perfectly
20090824 22:39:51< elias> good to know, glad it did
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20090824 22:44:25< zookeeper> elias, yeah, i had to adapt it a little bit but that was pretty easy
20090824 22:44:34 * zookeeper hasn't tried to actually understand how it works yet
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20090824 22:45:02< Woodmouse> :o
20090824 22:46:40< vjoe> 6 walking corpses :D
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20090824 22:48:08< yamokidzu-it> where can I find wesnot 1.6 or 1.6.2?
20090824 22:48:27< Soliton> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Download
20090824 22:48:52< Soliton> it's a really annoying habit to ignore when people answer you.
20090824 22:49:06< maackey> its on the front page of wesnoth.org too isn't it?
20090824 22:49:11< Soliton> why do you need an older version anyway?
20090824 22:50:31< yamokidzu-it> no there isn't...
20090824 22:50:55< yamokidzu-it> I see only 1.6.3
20090824 22:51:16< Soliton> "SourceForge page for current and all previous versions"
20090824 22:51:31< yamokidzu-it> ok thanks
20090824 22:52:00< yamokidzu-it> it is because the "system damage" mod doesn't works
20090824 22:52:34< Soliton> what's that and why do you think it will work with another 1.6 version?
20090824 22:53:23< Soliton> 1.6 versions are compatible. the only reason one will work differently is because of bug fixes in which case you need a newer version and not an older one.
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20090824 22:58:02< Woodmouse> I need to go now, early to school tomorrow
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20090824 22:59:29< yamokidzu-it> ok
20090824 22:59:56< yamokidzu-it> I think that too it's strange
20090824 23:00:42< yamokidzu-it> I think it's because that mod is new I found it in the forum
20090824 23:02:22< yamokidzu-it> Do someone want to play a game with a "lessluck" mod?
20090824 23:09:09< vjoe> anyone plays era of myths?
20090824 23:09:36< maackey> i've played it a couple times against the ai
20090824 23:10:03< yamokidzu-it> Do someone want to play a game with a "lessluck" mod?
20090824 23:11:48< maackey> yamo: sure, give me a link
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20090824 23:20:04< yamokidzu-it> you have to download the mod from wesnoth
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20090824 23:28:48< Soliton> only the host needs that era.
20090824 23:38:17< G-Lo> yamokidzu-it: wait for me, i wanna test it
20090824 23:41:08< G-Lo> Soliton: what is this mod?
20090824 23:42:31< Soliton> an era that adusts chance to hit while you play.
20090824 23:42:52< G-Lo> adjusts how?
20090824 23:43:24< Soliton> look it up in the forum.
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20090824 23:49:02< G-Lo> i've made a game, if someone is ready
20090824 23:54:42< G-Lo> one player missing
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