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20090825 00:31:57< yamokidzu-it> what?
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20090825 00:37:26< yamokidzu-it> I usually use the nick "kenhoobbit" in the game you?
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20090825 00:41:48< G-Lo> the same :)
20090825 00:41:54< G-Lo> well, i'm not convinced by the era
20090825 00:42:26< G-Lo> it seems to advantage the winning side
20090825 00:44:15< maackey> wtf? it increases your hit chance by 10% when you miss, and decrease it by 10% when you hit
20090825 00:44:38< maackey> that doesn't make it any less luck-dependent...
20090825 00:44:41< G-Lo> maackey: well, it isn't obvious after the game i'm playing
20090825 00:45:09< G-Lo> winning side is hitiing far more than expected
20090825 00:45:31< maackey> i still like my idea for a less-luck dependent mod; just have to code it
20090825 00:45:57< G-Lo> maackey: waiting for you :)
20090825 00:46:16< maackey> waiting?
20090825 00:46:46< G-Lo> waiting for you to code it
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20090825 00:46:59< maackey> ahh, well it isn't on top of my to-do list :P
20090825 00:47:06< maackey> but eventually I might get around to it
20090825 00:47:18< G-Lo> I'm full of patience
20090825 00:48:18< maackey> the idea is pretty simple, multiply the defender's percentage by the attackers number of attacks
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20090825 00:48:37< maackey> if it divides evenly, perfect
20090825 00:49:05< maackey> if it doesn't, the last strike will hit/miss depending on the defenders percentage
20090825 00:49:12< G-Lo> mmm
20090825 00:49:15< Soliton> always nice when multiplications divide evenly.
20090825 00:49:39< maackey> so an elvish fighter would always hit 2 times against 50% defense, and miss 2 times
20090825 00:49:53< maackey> the order of hits/misses would be random 
20090825 00:50:40< yamokidzu-it> me too
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20090825 00:51:55< yamokidzu-it> Does someone know any good addon/ era or similar that decrease the randomness of wesnoth?
20090825 00:51:57< maackey> but i would like to get my faction done first ;)
20090825 00:53:52< Soliton> yamokidzu-it: asking the same question dozens of times is not going to get new results except people getting annoyed with you.
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20090825 00:57:26< Aethaeryn> I am from the same (tiny) ethnic group, and therefore most likely (extremely) distantly related to someone famous (Andy Warhol) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Warhol
20090825 00:57:30< Aethaeryn> I love Wikipedia
20090825 00:59:32< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rusyn_Americans
20090825 01:00:00< Aethaeryn> How many people are in the same ethnic group as the first Secretary of Homeland Security as well as the star of Magnum P.I.? :P
20090825 01:00:13< Blarumyrran> Id bet you arent really.
20090825 01:00:28< Blarumyrran> Youve claimed yourself for some 3-4 ethnic groups already
20090825 01:00:41< Aethaeryn> I'm 25% Italian, 25% Lithuanian and 50% Rusyn
20090825 01:00:50< Aethaeryn> It's a tiny minority in Slovakia, so I usually just say Slovak.
20090825 01:00:56< Aethaeryn> There's the 3-4 for you :P
20090825 01:03:27< Aethaeryn> I, like most Americans, am a mix.
20090825 01:03:52< Aethaeryn> Tbh, the world would be a better place with less nationalism.
20090825 01:03:57< Aethaeryn> How many new eastern European states do we need?
20090825 01:05:13< Blarumyrran> Having eg all of europe as a single state would certainly be bad.
20090825 01:05:20< Aethaeryn> Nationalism leads to the following unqualified statement: Zomg, I'm better at acting and homeland securitying than you.
20090825 01:06:28< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: The only government I would be 100% satisfied with would be one where I was in charge. And even then, that's not true because it would be impossible for one man to run a significant country.
20090825 01:06:32< Aethaeryn> Maybe I should take over Sealand.
20090825 01:06:35< Blarumyrran> I mean, if some tiny island protectorate of Britain 5000 km away gets assaulted by some random state, I would certainly not be happy to be subject to conscription to that war fighting for something i dont really care about at all
20090825 01:07:37< Aethaeryn> It doesn't matter how small or large the state is...
20090825 01:07:38< Blarumyrran> I would certainly not be 100% satisfied with me running a country, id make a terrible administrator
20090825 01:07:43< Aethaeryn> Odds are it'll be run by someone who is ignorant.
20090825 01:08:09< Aethaeryn> Democracy has an interesting side effect at creating a class of people who are better at getting elected than doing anything substantive.
20090825 01:08:16< Blarumyrran> But i have often thought of what i would do if i ran a country
20090825 01:08:25< Blarumyrran> id build new cities that look pretty.
20090825 01:08:27< Aethaeryn> And anything else is even worse in terms of corruption because violence (or the threat thereof) would be the only way to remove a non-democrat from power.
20090825 01:08:43< Blarumyrran> Im convinced all or nigh all modern cities look terrible, irredeemably
20090825 01:08:59< Blarumyrran> also, id set soft bans on advertising
20090825 01:09:00< Aethaeryn> I don't have a political philosophy though
20090825 01:09:25< Aethaeryn> Maybe that's because ideologies tend to promise that one day things'll be great (or conservatives: let's go back to the good old days)
20090825 01:09:44< Aethaeryn> When in reality, not really... Human nature gets in the way and ruins any great ideology.
20090825 01:10:03< Blarumyrran> also, id enforce via law the look of packages of merchandise
20090825 01:10:21< Aethaeryn> I'd be awful in a position of power.
20090825 01:10:29< yamokidzu-it> one country one world! :D
20090825 01:10:33< Blarumyrran> Because really the plastic, overcolorful, advertisement-laden look of all the packages is one of the things i like least about living today
20090825 01:10:37< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, 99.999% of people would also be awful in a position of poewr.
20090825 01:11:07< Aethaeryn> Politicians are people not wise enough to realize that.
20090825 01:11:18< Blarumyrran> Here you go again
20090825 01:11:44< Aethaeryn> Every action has unintended consequences.
20090825 01:12:03< Blarumyrran> with your "Popular is bad" "Im a rebel!!!"
20090825 01:12:11< Blarumyrran> And half your sentences dont carry any meaning
20090825 01:12:19< Blarumyrran> eg the last one
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20090825 01:14:04< Blarumyrran> Like a book i read recently said
20090825 01:14:13< cib0> heh
20090825 01:14:17< Aethaeryn> Eh.
20090825 01:14:28< cib0> Aethaeryn, i fully agree about the ideologies
20090825 01:14:30< Aethaeryn> No, I'm not a rebel.
20090825 01:14:35< Blarumyrran> Using phrases like "Good night" and the like really represents a lot what has gone wrong with people
20090825 01:14:46< Aethaeryn> Rebels are people who live for today, think there are no rules, etc.
20090825 01:14:47< Blarumyrran> Because we never literally mean "Good night" when wishing that
20090825 01:14:50< cib0> communism would be a good thing if it weren't for the people carrying it out =)
20090825 01:14:55< Aethaeryn> And then wind up with 4 STDs and an addiction problem 4 years later ;)
20090825 01:15:08< Blarumyrran> But it also shows in thoughts, not just stamp phrases
20090825 01:15:14< Blarumyrran> We are having stamp thoughts
20090825 01:15:23< Blarumyrran> You have them more than most people i know for sure
20090825 01:15:29< cib0> Blarumyrran, actually, i always mean it o.0 ... to a certain degree, heh
20090825 01:15:39< Blarumyrran> -,-
20090825 01:16:52< Aethaeryn> Groupthink is most likely bad, though.
20090825 01:16:53< Blarumyrran> with You i meant Aethaeryn tho
20090825 01:17:08< Aethaeryn> Though that doesn't mean unpopular is good.
20090825 01:17:23< Blarumyrran> cib0, im sure you dont wish for a bad night for people when saying that
20090825 01:17:50< Blarumyrran> but you arent moving your mouth on purpose to inform people that you want their night to be good
20090825 01:17:53< shadowmaster> is it just me or this is turning into the politics channel? ^^
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20090825 01:18:38< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: or the lack thereof.
20090825 01:18:50< Aethaeryn> The more I follow politics, the less I agree with it.
20090825 01:18:57< Blarumyrran> Agree with what?
20090825 01:19:03< Aethaeryn> Anyone?
20090825 01:19:04< cib0> which is why i don't follow politics in the first place
20090825 01:19:13< Aethaeryn> I tend to enjoy opposition politics.
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20090825 01:19:20< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, EXACTLY!!!
20090825 01:19:29< Blarumyrran> you said it yourself now
20090825 01:19:43< Aethaeryn> But once they are elected, they wind up screwing up and not holding to their promises.
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20090825 01:20:01< Blarumyrran> You would say exactly that anyway
20090825 01:20:06< cib0> oppositions say intelligent stuff? that'd be new
20090825 01:20:11< Aethaeryn> I would say I'm conservative-leaning though, since I went to a religious high school and am pro-life.
20090825 01:20:34< Blarumyrran> It's funny when i hear about how much abortion debates you have there
20090825 01:20:37< Aethaeryn> cib0: Rather, oppositions point out the flaws of those in power.
20090825 01:20:44< Blarumyrran> There have pretty much never been any significant ones here
20090825 01:20:59< Aethaeryn> Eh, I do believe there are situations when abortion is justifiable.
20090825 01:21:07< Aethaeryn> But just for convenience, I wouldn't recommend it.
20090825 01:21:11< cib0> Aethaeryn, that doesn't help much though if they can't do it better themselves
20090825 01:21:14< Blarumyrran> Why not?`
20090825 01:21:14< Aethaeryn> The problem is, it's hard to draw a line.
20090825 01:21:35< Blarumyrran> I dont see the reason behind applying human rights to embryos.
20090825 01:21:42< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Obviously, it'd be ridiculous to allow abortion up to the day of birth.
20090825 01:21:52< Blarumyrran> hm, why?
20090825 01:22:17< cib0> Blarumyrran, because from the day of birth, they receive full human rights
20090825 01:22:31< Blarumyrran> why ridicuous?
20090825 01:22:40< Aethaeryn> Because at that point, the only difference between a fetus (isn't that Latin for baby or something?) and a baby is location.
20090825 01:22:51< Blarumyrran> yes
20090825 01:22:57< Aethaeryn> My only problem is, I don't know the line, and I don't think anyone knows.
20090825 01:23:01< Blarumyrran> But killing babies is more visibly disturbing.
20090825 01:23:03< Aethaeryn> In which case, i'd recommend to be on the safe side.
20090825 01:23:15< Ukraneean5> Nancy Pelosi eats babies
20090825 01:23:23< cib0> Blarumyrran, you consider killing babies inside another human less disturbing? =)
20090825 01:23:27< Blarumyrran> yes
20090825 01:23:31< Aethaeryn> I don't.
20090825 01:23:33< Ukraneean5> cuts them up and feeds them to her illegal immigrant electorate
20090825 01:23:38< Aethaeryn> I consider it an "out of sight, out of mind" philosophy.
20090825 01:23:47< Aethaeryn> What if we kill the newborn babies like the Spartans did?
20090825 01:23:53< Ukraneean5> they did? u sure?
20090825 01:23:54< Aethaeryn> That way we get better warriors :)
20090825 01:23:57< Ukraneean5> didn't they train them?
20090825 01:24:08< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: well, the unfit ones
20090825 01:24:14< Ukraneean5> oh that's right
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20090825 01:24:15< Aethaeryn> early eugenics
20090825 01:24:16< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, i wouldnt mind
20090825 01:24:20< Ukraneean5> the ones that were like different ya
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20090825 01:24:26< Aethaeryn> unfit/unwanted babies thrown off cliffs and/or left in wilderness
20090825 01:24:30< Aethaeryn> is what the classical world did
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20090825 01:24:33< Blarumyrran> As long as its on the consent of the parents, obviously
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20090825 01:24:38< Aethaeryn> in fact, abortion isn't new, there were abortive plants in the Roman world.
20090825 01:24:38< Ukraneean5> well.. technically it was the WOLVES tha tkilled them
20090825 01:24:42< Ukraneean5> *that killed
20090825 01:24:49< Ukraneean5> also you could beat the woman til the baby died
20090825 01:24:57< Ukraneean5> that existed in the biblical period
20090825 01:24:58< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090825 01:25:01< cib0> it wasn't me, it was the gun..
20090825 01:25:01< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090825 01:25:23< Blarumyrran> Beating a random woman is a violation of her human rights tho
20090825 01:25:35< Ukraneean5> eh human rights are so blurred
20090825 01:25:56< Aethaeryn> Eh, human nature is so messed up.
20090825 01:26:00< Ukraneean5> what with nancy pelosi and barack obama being elected it's easy to say that these "rights" are so undervalued that they hardly exist
20090825 01:26:13< Blarumyrran> Who is nancy pelosi?
20090825 01:26:20< Ukraneean5> the wicked witch of the west
20090825 01:26:20< Ukraneean5> lmao
20090825 01:26:21< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: speaker of the house
20090825 01:26:28< Blarumyrran> What is that?
20090825 01:26:32< Aethaeryn> house = lower house
20090825 01:26:33< Blarumyrran> Something like head of parliament?
20090825 01:26:35< Blarumyrran> k
20090825 01:26:36< Aethaeryn> yeah
20090825 01:26:45< Ukraneean5> kind of
20090825 01:26:48< Aethaeryn> we have a House of Representatives and a Senate
20090825 01:26:59< Aethaeryn> the Senate used to be appointed, now the line's a little more blurred and less like the British system
20090825 01:27:19< Ukraneean5> no...
20090825 01:27:23< Ukraneean5> they were elected by STATE senates
20090825 01:27:25< Ukraneean5> at one point
20090825 01:27:27< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090825 01:27:29< Ukraneean5> never actually appointed 
20090825 01:27:34< Aethaeryn> That's equivilent of appointed.
20090825 01:27:39< Ukraneean5> they were still indirectly elected
20090825 01:27:40< Aethaeryn> They weren't directly elected, at least.
20090825 01:27:43< Ukraneean5> uhm not really :P
20090825 01:27:44< Ukraneean5> they voted on it
20090825 01:27:45< Aethaeryn> Eh, I'd disagree about that
20090825 01:27:50< Aethaeryn> Nothing is indirectly elected.
20090825 01:27:57< Aethaeryn> it's either directly elected or appointed :P
20090825 01:28:05< Aethaeryn> you could argue that the president is indirectly elected
20090825 01:28:14< Aethaeryn> because the electoral college technically casts the votes on behalf of the states
20090825 01:28:19< Ukraneean5> appointed is someone being given a rank by a body of absolute power
20090825 01:28:22< Ukraneean5> one that is ABOVE their rank
20090825 01:28:25< Ukraneean5> this is not the cae
20090825 01:28:26< Ukraneean5> *case
20090825 01:28:35< Aethaeryn> depends on the original intent of the system
20090825 01:28:41< Blarumyrran> uh "above"?
20090825 01:28:46< Aethaeryn> someone in favor of state's rights might have seen the state legislatures as above the senate
20090825 01:28:56< Ukraneean5> well the electoral college is completely legit
20090825 01:28:59< Ukraneean5> we're a republic
20090825 01:29:00< Ukraneean5> not a democracy
20090825 01:29:18< Aethaeryn> only gradually has the america's system become more open and central
20090825 01:29:36< Ukraneean5> as our society degrades :D
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20090825 01:30:07< Ukraneean5> as the lazy prevail :O
20090825 01:30:09< shadowmaster> uh oh
20090825 01:30:10< Aethaeryn> more like moves sideways
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20090825 01:30:21< Aethaeryn> we've improved in some areas, and stepped backward in others
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20090825 01:30:44< Ukraneean5> lol yes of course we have the ability to speak freely
20090825 01:30:50< Ukraneean5> but only when the democratic party thinks it's ok
20090825 01:30:52< Ukraneean5> :)
20090825 01:31:10< Aethaeryn> I'm sure an African American or a woman would disagree that freedom has increased as society degrades
20090825 01:31:15< Ukraneean5> that's why they invented libel
20090825 01:31:16< Aethaeryn> *would agree that
20090825 01:31:32< Aethaeryn> Fundamentally, people are equal.
20090825 01:31:38< Blarumyrran> ?
20090825 01:31:40< Blarumyrran> in what
20090825 01:31:46< Ukraneean5> oh well the africans can't say crap
20090825 01:31:50< Ukraneean5> our society now caters to them
20090825 01:32:05< Aethaeryn> In that they should be treated by merit, not by skin color or their reproductive organs.
20090825 01:32:21< Aethaeryn> By that same standard though, Affirmative Action is questionable.
20090825 01:32:24< Ukraneean5> oh merit bullshit to liberals merit is another word for discrimination
20090825 01:32:45< Ukraneean5> they fight discrimination with indescriminancy
20090825 01:32:52< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, I believe that a lot of conservatives, especially in the South, may indeed be racist.
20090825 01:32:56< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, then they are equal in skin color and reproductive organs
20090825 01:32:59< Blarumyrran> They are not Equal
20090825 01:33:05< Aethaeryn> ugh
20090825 01:33:09< Ukraneean5> racists always lose
20090825 01:33:15< Ukraneean5> it's an economic fact
20090825 01:33:20< Blarumyrran> hm?
20090825 01:33:22< Aethaeryn> They are equal by the visible means that human nature likes to judge people by.
20090825 01:33:26< Ukraneean5> if someone turns people away based on race the economy will punish them
20090825 01:33:38< Blarumyrran> south africa was economically more successfully with the racist government :P
20090825 01:33:39< Aethaeryn> They should be judged beyond the physical standards and instead by their actual intellect and personality.
20090825 01:33:59< Blarumyrran> "economic fact" is an oxymoron.
20090825 01:34:01< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: economically more successful? really?
20090825 01:34:06< Blarumyrran> yep
20090825 01:34:09< Aethaeryn> maybe for the whites
20090825 01:34:13< Aethaeryn> I doubt the blacks were better off
20090825 01:34:15< Aethaeryn> economically
20090825 01:34:24< Blarumyrran> The country, not individuals
20090825 01:34:27< Aethaeryn> Society is inherently inequal and will always be that way.
20090825 01:34:38< Ukraneean5> if people want to use statistics as to why they will not hire black people I guess.  Statistically black people have a smaller brain mass to bio mass ratio than white people which is the system we use to decide which species of animal are more intelligent
20090825 01:34:44< Ukraneean5> I don't necessarily believe it
20090825 01:34:44< Aethaeryn> Which is why you want to treat the talented and skilled better, if you have to treat someone special.
20090825 01:35:01< Aethaeryn> Capitalism, in that sense, is good, because people get paid more (in theory) if they're productive to the economy of their country.
20090825 01:35:05< Aethaeryn> In theory.
20090825 01:35:39< Blarumyrran> Ukraneean5, what
20090825 01:35:51< Blarumyrran> who would use such a system for meaasuring animal intelligence?
20090825 01:35:54< Ukraneean5> no capitalism is bad.  As nancy pelosi so adeptly said "Too much freedom spoils the soup"
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20090825 01:36:10< Ukraneean5> that's why humans are pretty much the most advanced species
20090825 01:36:21< Ukraneean5> we have a greater brain mass to bio mass ratio :P
20090825 01:36:35< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: EVEN if the racists are correct and white people are smarter than blacks (WHICH I DISAGREE WITH), there is a bell curve and some blacks would be smarter than some whites.
20090825 01:36:44< Aethaeryn> In which case, racism STILL FAILS because it holds back some talented.
20090825 01:36:44< Ukraneean5> of course
20090825 01:36:45< Blarumyrran> No serious biologist would measure difference of animal intelligence by their brain mass, i mean
20090825 01:36:48< Ukraneean5> it's mostly about the environment
20090825 01:37:40< Ukraneean5> ok Blar explain what decides species intelligence then
20090825 01:37:46< Blarumyrran> various tests
20090825 01:37:49< Ukraneean5> mhm...
20090825 01:37:56< Ukraneean5> now why are humans more advanced than say elephants?
20090825 01:38:03< Blarumyrran> because we are smarter, duh
20090825 01:38:08< Blarumyrran> and our brains are more advanced
20090825 01:38:10< Ukraneean5> and granted elephants are a pretty advanced species
20090825 01:38:12< Ukraneean5> HOW?!
20090825 01:38:17< Ukraneean5> how can u possibly explain it?!
20090825 01:38:18< Blarumyrran> What do you mean?
20090825 01:38:22< Ukraneean5> like I actually gave an explanation
20090825 01:38:25< Blarumyrran> Explain what?
20090825 01:38:32< Ukraneean5> "Oh our brains are more advanced"
20090825 01:38:35< Ukraneean5> yea ok
20090825 01:38:51< Ukraneean5> don't scoff at tested theory when you don't have crap
20090825 01:39:09< Blarumyrran> "tested theory"?
20090825 01:39:14< Ukraneean5> I apologize but I did not learn the "Because we are smarter, duh" theory in school
20090825 01:39:17< Blarumyrran> in 19. century maybe
20090825 01:39:19< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: yes, plenty of good scientists in the late 1800s tested it
20090825 01:39:20< Blarumyrran> i mean come on
20090825 01:39:22< Aethaeryn> BAH
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20090825 01:39:27< Aethaeryn> why do I always think the same way as others
20090825 01:39:31< Aethaeryn> and enter my line slower
20090825 01:39:34< Ukraneean5> conformity
20090825 01:39:38< Ukraneean5> beautiful ain't it?
20090825 01:39:39< Ukraneean5> xD
20090825 01:39:52< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: so you believe that white people are better than blacks?
20090825 01:39:53< Ukraneean5> Blar what does that mean?!
20090825 01:39:59< Blarumyrran> What does what mean?
20090825 01:40:11< Ukraneean5> I said statistically speaking we have a greater brain mass to bio mass ratio
20090825 01:40:18< Ukraneean5> which would make us more equipped to logical thinking
20090825 01:40:21< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: Do you also conform to positive racism, then? Asians are smarter than whites?
20090825 01:40:36< Ukraneean5> well they do have a great brain mass to bio mass ratio
20090825 01:40:42< Ukraneean5> so they would be more adept at things concerning logic
20090825 01:40:43< Ukraneean5> sure
20090825 01:40:43< Blarumyrran> You can assemble an infinite amount of baheavioral tests in which humans would prove more successful than any other animal
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20090825 01:40:53< Ukraneean5> yes but can you explain why, Blar?
20090825 01:40:53< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: YOU ARE INFERIOR!
20090825 01:40:55< Aethaeryn> hah.
20090825 01:41:13< Ukraneean5> you don't even have an explanation to oppose mine
20090825 01:41:17< Ukraneean5> insanity at its finest
20090825 01:41:20< Blarumyrran> Ok, ill make one similar to yours
20090825 01:41:24< Aethaeryn> Feels good, doesn't it? Or is there a convenient theory why the Anglo-Saxon/German/Italian/whatever-group-of-scientist-promotes-this-theory is still the best?
20090825 01:41:30< Blarumyrran> Humans are smarter because we were created by aliens
20090825 01:41:45< Aethaeryn> We-are-better-than-the-other-races mentality lead to World War II
20090825 01:41:50< Aethaeryn> And the Holocaust.
20090825 01:41:54< Blarumyrran> against a stamp thought
20090825 01:41:56< Ukraneean5> ok blar let's all try and make non-sequitur arguments and see where we get
20090825 01:41:59< Blarumyrran> stop it Aethaeryn
20090825 01:42:03< Aethaeryn> Hitler genuinely believed he was doing a public service by killing millions of Jews.
20090825 01:42:08< Blarumyrran> against a stamp thought
20090825 01:42:09< Blarumyrran> stop it Aethaeryn
20090825 01:42:12< Ukraneean5> I do not think we should kill them
20090825 01:42:12< Aethaeryn> ugh
20090825 01:42:17< Aethaeryn> I like bringing up Hitler in arguments.
20090825 01:42:20< Aethaeryn> There's a law
20090825 01:42:21< Ukraneean5> but there ARE differences
20090825 01:42:22< Ukraneean5> true?
20090825 01:42:24< Aethaeryn> (Goodwin's Law?)
20090825 01:42:26< Blarumyrran> we have all heard the exact same, a million times before
20090825 01:42:28< Ukraneean5> and to deny that these differences have any effect
20090825 01:42:29< Aethaeryn> long enough discussion will bring up Hitler
20090825 01:42:33< Ukraneean5> is ludicrous
20090825 01:42:48 * shadowmaster tries to understand how this originated.
20090825 01:43:01< Ukraneean5> I find it unbelievable that there is this shroud of equality
20090825 01:43:11< Ukraneean5> that society has cast over us that covers any differences that might occur
20090825 01:43:18< Blarumyrran> explain?
20090825 01:43:24< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I brought up how Rusyns/Ruthanians are awsome
20090825 01:43:31< Ukraneean5> black people have more body mass less brain mass
20090825 01:43:41< Ukraneean5> yet you deny that this has ANY effect on their thinking and logical skills
20090825 01:43:47< shadowmaster> okay... I don't like this.
20090825 01:43:49< Ukraneean5> somehow there is this third dimmension in which all thought exists
20090825 01:43:52< Ukraneean5> and all thoughts are equal
20090825 01:43:55< Ukraneean5> utter insanity
20090825 01:44:00< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: alternative theory
20090825 01:44:03< Blarumyrran> Ukraneean5, have i said that?
20090825 01:44:06< Blarumyrran> i havent
20090825 01:44:13< Aethaeryn> Assuming you're correct, that's because black people tend to be stronger than white people.
20090825 01:44:19< Ukraneean5> yet you deny that difference has any effect!
20090825 01:44:20< Ukraneean5> YES!
20090825 01:44:22< Aethaeryn> Scientific study: more black people in (American) football
20090825 01:44:22< Ukraneean5> they ARE
20090825 01:44:29< Blarumyrran> Ukraneean5, no i have not said that either
20090825 01:44:30< Ukraneean5> they evolved in a different environment!
20090825 01:44:36< Aethaeryn> So, blacks > whites, then.
20090825 01:44:36< Ukraneean5> it would be completely logical!
20090825 01:44:45< Ukraneean5> at different things!
20090825 01:44:49< Aethaeryn> They have a lower brain-to-body mass because they have more body mass, not less brain mass
20090825 01:44:51< Ukraneean5> could a girraffe survive in a swamp?
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20090825 01:45:03< Ukraneean5> could an alligator survive on the savanna?
20090825 01:45:06< Blarumyrran> Ukraneean5, i said that no biologist would measure the difference of animal species intelligence by their brain mass difference
20090825 01:45:09< Aethaeryn> Therefore blacks > you, just like Asians > you.
20090825 01:45:14< Aethaeryn> And it goes back to: YOU ARE INFERIOR!
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20090825 01:45:28< Ukraneean5> Aeth no they also have less brain mass
20090825 01:45:39< Ukraneean5> but that doesn't matter humans have about the same brain mass as a girraffe
20090825 01:45:44< Aethaeryn> The best part about pseudo-scientific racist science is that it can say what you want it to say.
20090825 01:45:45< Ukraneean5> give or take
20090825 01:45:50< Ukraneean5> but girraffes have way more body mass
20090825 01:46:03< Ukraneean5> so u don't see them communicating and building civilizations or even organizing to defend themselves
20090825 01:46:13< Blarumyrran> against a stamp thought
20090825 01:46:17< Blarumyrran> stop it Aethaeryn
20090825 01:46:21< Ukraneean5> why should it be any different with humans?
20090825 01:46:25< Ukraneean5> are we immune to evolution?
20090825 01:46:27< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: what if a smaller species had a much smaller brain mass? 
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20090825 01:46:32< Aethaeryn> but had a better ratio?
20090825 01:46:41< Ukraneean5> like squirrells?
20090825 01:46:44< Aethaeryn> I'm sure there's some.
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20090825 01:46:53< Ukraneean5> mhm squirrells are quite intelligent they are smarter than dogs
20090825 01:47:03< Ukraneean5> they will go through trial and error whereas a dog will not
20090825 01:47:15< Aethaeryn> mice > dolphins > humans.
20090825 01:47:19< Aethaeryn> According to a movie I saw once ;)
20090825 01:47:23< Ukraneean5> nooooooo
20090825 01:47:31< Ukraneean5> dolphins are close to humans
20090825 01:47:36< Ukraneean5> mice are not
20090825 01:47:41< Soliton> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain-to-body_mass_ratio
20090825 01:47:46< Aethaeryn> Mice are interdimensional creatures.
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20090825 01:47:52< Aethaeryn> Who built earth as a testing ground to find the meaning of life.
20090825 01:47:56< Ukraneean5> LOL
20090825 01:48:07< Aethaeryn> NOW do you get the reference? :P
20090825 01:48:13< Ukraneean5> yesz
20090825 01:48:16< Ukraneean5> I do
20090825 01:48:41< Ukraneean5> woohoo wikipedia says im right :D
20090825 01:48:44< Aethaeryn> So long and thanks for all the fish.
20090825 01:48:45< Ukraneean5> or something like that
20090825 01:49:07< Aethaeryn> YES, now I have a good quit message.
20090825 01:49:10< Ukraneean5> so it wasn't just a dream
20090825 01:49:13< Aethaeryn> Finally a new quit message. Thanks, Ukraneean5 
20090825 01:49:29< Ukraneean5> it wasn't just god telling me to wipe out all inferior races it's actually true
20090825 01:49:32< Ukraneean5> XD
20090825 01:49:44< Aethaeryn> .....
20090825 01:49:46< Ukraneean5> joke
20090825 01:49:47< Ukraneean5> sir
20090825 01:49:59< Aethaeryn> Imo, the term race should be left to fantasy, tyvm.
20090825 01:50:28< Ukraneean5> btw on the subject of evolution how is the human race supposed to evolve if we as a society cater to flaws of those around us?
20090825 01:50:36< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090825 01:50:43< Ukraneean5> via welfare and other government subsidizations of flaw
20090825 01:50:45< Aethaeryn> Let's cease to be compassionate and just have the fittest survive.
20090825 01:50:50< Blarumyrran> why do you concern about evolution
20090825 01:50:54< Blarumyrran> you wont live to see it
20090825 01:50:57< Aethaeryn> (Social darwinism :o)
20090825 01:51:00< Ukraneean5> noooo they woulod be forced to stop being lazy :D
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20090825 01:51:06< Ukraneean5> and get off their asses and work
20090825 01:51:09< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: In fact, I know what would help out evolution
20090825 01:51:10< Ukraneean5> instead we perpetuate laziness
20090825 01:51:13< Ukraneean5> and in fact encourage it
20090825 01:51:21< Aethaeryn> sterilizing people with genetic problems
20090825 01:51:30< Aethaeryn> that'd speed up evolution by getting rid of harmful mutations sooner
20090825 01:51:34< Ukraneean5> not really
20090825 01:51:35< Ukraneean5> :D
20090825 01:51:43< Aethaeryn> you're not killing, just stopping them from reproducing, simulating what the wild would do
20090825 01:51:57< Ukraneean5> who knows they could have something in their genes that help them to survive better?
20090825 01:52:06< Ukraneean5> and reproduce more and thus lead to evolution
20090825 01:52:11< Aethaeryn> that's why I said harmful mutations
20090825 01:52:17< Ukraneean5> what can we deem harful?
20090825 01:52:20< Ukraneean5> *harmful
20090825 01:52:22< Blarumyrran> A lot
20090825 01:52:24< Blarumyrran> down's
20090825 01:52:25< Ukraneean5> tails were an accident you know
20090825 01:52:32< Ukraneean5> XD
20090825 01:52:35< Aethaeryn> oooooh, you should also by that logic prevent interracial marriages.
20090825 01:52:41< Aethaeryn> Since they should mix.
20090825 01:52:46< Aethaeryn> According to your logic
20090825 01:52:52< Ukraneean5> nope marriage should not even be controlled by the government
20090825 01:52:53< Aethaeryn> Welcome to the early 1900s
20090825 01:53:13< Aethaeryn> Well then, you're not very promoting of the betterment of evolution
20090825 01:53:25< Ukraneean5> if we did what you said we'd be doing the opposite of what im saying
20090825 01:53:30< Ukraneean5> ud be turning around 360 degrees
20090825 01:53:42< Ukraneean5> exactly where u started
20090825 01:54:03< Ukraneean5> the government should NOT interfere with evolution of our species 
20090825 01:54:06< Ukraneean5> let it run its course
20090825 01:54:10< Ukraneean5> maybe you didn't understand what I said
20090825 01:54:15< Ukraneean5> :)
20090825 01:55:03< Aethaeryn> oh no, I'm just trying to determine where you stand in outdated political philosophy
20090825 01:55:21< Ukraneean5> mhm
20090825 01:55:35< Ukraneean5> meanwhile you are Mr. Society-for-brains
20090825 01:55:37< Aethaeryn> You'd be against a stimulus bill
20090825 01:55:38< Ukraneean5> major improvement
20090825 01:55:49< Aethaeryn> and unemployment benefits, too?
20090825 01:55:53< Ukraneean5> of course
20090825 01:55:57< Ukraneean5> that
20090825 01:56:02< Ukraneean5> is just logic
20090825 01:56:07< Ukraneean5> and harmful all around
20090825 01:56:08< Aethaeryn> If you're against welfare and government interference, unemployed better take lower paying jobs and be underemployed or just starve
20090825 01:56:25< Ukraneean5> no if government was totally uninvolved
20090825 01:56:30< Ukraneean5> no minimum wage etc.
20090825 01:56:33< Aethaeryn> Of course, you might have a problem with private charities and religious organizations interfering in natural selection.
20090825 01:56:40< Ukraneean5> then people would be encouraged to get higher education
20090825 01:56:44< Aethaeryn> Damn those compassionate folk.
20090825 01:56:46< Ukraneean5> not get poor shitty jobs
20090825 01:57:00< Aethaeryn> Yes, more would be encouraged to, if only they had the money and grades.
20090825 01:57:02< Ukraneean5> noooo private charities are fine as long as they aren't forcing people
20090825 01:57:09< Ukraneean5> with their guns and armies
20090825 01:57:10< Aethaeryn> Your line of thought is strictly middle/upper class
20090825 01:57:12< Ukraneean5> to give to a charity
20090825 01:57:38< Ukraneean5> bullcrap if u have to violate individual freedoms to protect priveledges it's worthless and wrong
20090825 01:58:08< Ukraneean5> if someone cares so much they should go start their own charity for it and leave the people who do not want a part of it alone
20090825 01:58:18< Ukraneean5> that is the chiefest right of every american, the right to be left alone
20090825 01:58:27< Ukraneean5> I believe milton friedman said that
20090825 01:58:58< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: are you against the FDA?
20090825 01:59:11< Ukraneean5> yep the private sector would run its course just fine
20090825 01:59:15< Aethaeryn> Damn government interference, with their regulations and forcing things like nutrition facts
20090825 01:59:26< Ukraneean5> companies without proper foods would get scrutiny from the medio
20090825 01:59:28< Ukraneean5> *media
20090825 01:59:30< Aethaeryn> if companies are underhanded, market forces will *definitely* drive out the bad food companies
20090825 01:59:32< Ukraneean5> who would be looking for a story
20090825 01:59:34< Ukraneean5> and they would lose business
20090825 01:59:35< Aethaeryn> right
20090825 01:59:51< Aethaeryn> because government regulation would keep the media from consolidating and being owned by people who also own food companies
20090825 01:59:54< Aethaeryn> oh wait
20090825 02:00:10< Ukraneean5> they wouldn't have competition? 
20090825 02:00:26< Aethaeryn> A free market tends to form monopolies after a while
20090825 02:00:29< Ukraneean5> capitalism always has competition and makes monopolies impossible!
20090825 02:00:32< Aethaeryn> as the rich get richer, some are just better at it
20090825 02:00:36< Ukraneean5> are u kidding?! yea right
20090825 02:00:42< Aethaeryn> capitalism does NOT always have competition...
20090825 02:00:52< Aethaeryn> otherwise we wouldn't have a monopoly unit in ECON 101
20090825 02:00:53< Aethaeryn> :P
20090825 02:00:55< Ukraneean5> when they start charging too much it becomes easier and easier for new companies who undercut them to spring up
20090825 02:01:07< Aethaeryn> Not if the market is a natural monopoly with a high cost of entry
20090825 02:01:11< Ukraneean5> capitalism is a flawless institution
20090825 02:01:21< Ukraneean5> no matter they could easily get a loan
20090825 02:01:23< Aethaeryn> New companies can only undercut in a perfectly competitive market
20090825 02:01:26< Ukraneean5> if they had a good plan and could easily compete
20090825 02:01:31< Ukraneean5> which they could if the price got too high
20090825 02:01:52< Aethaeryn> Not necessarily, they wouldn't have the capital of a monopoly
20090825 02:02:05< Ukraneean5> but they could compete!
20090825 02:02:07< Aethaeryn> The problem with a monopoly is that it has reserves, and can undercut new competition long enough to drive them out of business
20090825 02:02:13< Aethaeryn> and then raise it back again to make up for running at a loss!
20090825 02:02:18< Ukraneean5> the monopoly WOULD have to lower their prices
20090825 02:02:19< Ukraneean5> yea right
20090825 02:02:24< Ukraneean5> then MORe competition would spring up!
20090825 02:02:28< Ukraneean5> it's a cycle 
20090825 02:02:33< Ukraneean5> *MORE
20090825 02:02:42< Ukraneean5> there will ALWAYS be competition
20090825 02:02:45< Aethaeryn> It's not that simple.
20090825 02:02:49< Ukraneean5> YES IT IS!
20090825 02:02:56< Aethaeryn> Firms maximize profit.
20090825 02:02:59< Ukraneean5> are you saying you know more than milton friedman then?
20090825 02:03:06< Ukraneean5> more than every economist ever?
20090825 02:03:10< Aethaeryn> No.
20090825 02:03:13< Ukraneean5> cuz they all basically say ur wrong
20090825 02:03:14< Aethaeryn> I'm saying I took three economics classes
20090825 02:03:15< Ukraneean5> even the liberal ones
20090825 02:03:17< Ukraneean5> oh god
20090825 02:03:19< Ukraneean5> ur so qualified
20090825 02:03:20< Aethaeryn> And you're EXTREMELY simplifying it
20090825 02:03:24< Ukraneean5> good for you
20090825 02:03:35< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: When did you get YOUR PhD in economics?
20090825 02:03:38< Ukraneean5> "Oh no competition doesn't exist... free market?"
20090825 02:03:45< Aethaeryn> oh wait, did you even take an econ class?
20090825 02:03:56< Ukraneean5> I've read enough from respectable sources to know the simplified version and I know what you are saying is wrong
20090825 02:04:04< Ukraneean5> and frankly I have reason to doubt you took any classes
20090825 02:04:11< Aethaeryn> Want to see my transcript?
20090825 02:04:16< Aethaeryn> ECON 101 in the winter, and just finished ECON 102
20090825 02:04:24< Ukraneean5> no that's private not for my eyes
20090825 02:04:26< Aethaeryn> and took Economics in senior year of high school, first semesert
20090825 02:04:30< Aethaeryn> *semester
20090825 02:04:45< Ukraneean5> but I know enough to know basic rules
20090825 02:04:46< Aethaeryn> And I say you're absurdly political and dated in your beliefs.
20090825 02:04:50< Ukraneean5> such as competition
20090825 02:04:52< Ukraneean5> yea right
20090825 02:05:00< Ukraneean5> you're letting your beliefs affect your math sir
20090825 02:05:10< Aethaeryn> I've taken three econ classes, and I *still* realize I don't know too much economics.
20090825 02:05:20< Aethaeryn> I'm just pointing out that you sound even more ignorant than me.
20090825 02:05:26< Ukraneean5> here I'll stick to milton friedman you can listen to whatever public school crackpot and community college u want deal?
20090825 02:05:33< Aethaeryn> Uh
20090825 02:05:39< Aethaeryn> I went to Baltimore Lutheran, a public school
20090825 02:06:03< Aethaeryn> And I go to University of Maryland, Baltimore County, the public university that is the *smartest* in Maryland
20090825 02:06:24< Aethaeryn> not a public school, I mean
20090825 02:06:32< Ukraneean5> and it must look nice because baltimore drains every penny from the rest of maryland
20090825 02:06:45< Aethaeryn> Baltimore *COUNTY*
20090825 02:06:53< Aethaeryn> and no, I think College Park is better funded
20090825 02:07:04< Aethaeryn> Again, showing opinions in areas you have NO actual experience/knowledge in
20090825 02:07:37< Ukraneean5> my mother grew in maryland, there was a lot of hatred for baltimore
20090825 02:07:44 * shadowmaster wonders if it wouldn't be better to continue this by PM.
20090825 02:07:47< Ukraneean5> because as I said it drained all the tax dollars
20090825 02:07:51< Aethaeryn> ...
20090825 02:07:55< Aethaeryn> Look.
20090825 02:08:09< Aethaeryn> My parents are Republicans (both switched in the Reagan era)
20090825 02:08:10< Ukraneean5> oh boy here comes the earnest  "You are wrong" speech 
20090825 02:08:12< Ukraneean5> :D
20090825 02:08:17< Aethaeryn> I'm Independent, but I'm conservative-leaning.
20090825 02:08:34< Ukraneean5> yes you capture the worst parts of both parties
20090825 02:08:38< Aethaeryn> What I hate more than anything though are IGNORANT conservatives, which is why the Republican Party has gone downhill.
20090825 02:08:43< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: hello. are you uhm, I don't know paying attention to me?
20090825 02:08:53< Ukraneean5> I'm not a republican
20090825 02:09:16< Aethaeryn> Quite honestly, the Republican Party has fielded some extremely weak candidates lately, while the Democrats have fielded some increadibly strong ones.
20090825 02:09:22< Ukraneean5> I'm a libertarian and I am quite well read thank you.
20090825 02:09:28< Blarumyrran> you are 15.
20090825 02:09:31< Ukraneean5> well yea mitt romney was the only guy worth voting for
20090825 02:09:34< Ukraneean5> that Iam
20090825 02:09:35< Aethaeryn> I'm considering registering Republican merely because I think they're so *bad* that they need more people.
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20090825 02:10:19< Ukraneean5> Ron Paul I would ahve considered were he not completely insane.  At least he protects the constitution and what not.
20090825 02:10:25< Ukraneean5> *have
20090825 02:10:47< Aethaeryn> Anyway, ever since Blarumyrran dropped out of the discussion, we have hijacked #Wesnoth 
20090825 02:10:53< Ukraneean5> true
20090825 02:10:57< Aethaeryn> perhaps we should go to #Wesnoth-offtopic or switch to query
20090825 02:11:02< Aethaeryn> I think we're bothering Shadow_Master 
20090825 02:11:04< Ukraneean5> nah this conversation is died down anyway
20090825 02:11:10< Aethaeryn> Not really.
20090825 02:11:14< Ukraneean5> and I've got work to do
20090825 02:11:18< Aethaeryn> It only died down because I listend to Shadow_Master :P
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20090825 02:12:05< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: Just curious, how can you be a libertarian economically and still be in favor of America being a democracy/republic/whatever?
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20090825 02:12:18< Aethaeryn> Obviously the people are wrong, if they continually give your point of view less than 1% of the vote.
20090825 02:13:07< Aethaeryn> The system America has right now, and the party it has ruling it right now, are because the majority of people *want* it.
20090825 02:13:43< Ukraneean5> freedom is about the individual not the majority
20090825 02:13:56< Ukraneean5> a.k.a. liberty
20090825 02:13:59< Ukraneean5> thusly libertarian
20090825 02:14:20< Ukraneean5> read frederic bastiat's "The Law"
20090825 02:14:29< Ukraneean5> it's very short maybe 70 pages
20090825 02:14:31< Aethaeryn> Ukraneean5: yes, but if the majority of Americans do not want individualism, would you prefer a small government dictatorship?
20090825 02:14:37< Aethaeryn> For the greater good.
20090825 02:15:24< Ukraneean5> you're not understanding me, this is pointless.  Read frederic bastiat if you want to understand where I'm coming from.
20090825 02:17:37< Aethaeryn> Eh, the problem with relying on written works from people smarter than yourself is that even at the highest level of intellectualism, people come to opposite conclusions.
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20090825 04:52:38< eichi_> or is my connection crap
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20090825 04:53:06< krotop> my game froze as well
20090825 04:53:14< Espreon> Probably, I cannot get on the server.
20090825 04:53:19< Espreon> *Probably.
20090825 04:53:41< Soliton> it crashed.
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20090825 04:57:08< maackey> WOO! http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26750&p=379159#p379159
20090825 05:09:13< Jean-Pierre> I need just 3k
20090825 05:09:16< Jean-Pierre> ops
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20090825 05:25:26< Ukraneean5> Jean I can give you like 4k if you need it!
20090825 05:25:30< Ukraneean5> xD
20090825 05:25:51< Jean-Pierre> lol, go to hell :-P
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20090825 05:27:30< Ukraneean5> 4.5k my final offer! I'll throw in like 500gc 
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20090825 05:45:17< Aethaeryn> Need emergency instant sprite feedback
20090825 05:45:32< Aethaeryn> I've been inspired for the first time in weeks thanks to Blarumyrran but he just left to sleep
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20090825 06:02:43< maackey> well how are you going to get feedback? you haven't linked to anything
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20090825 06:06:32< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, I think it could use less contrasting colors, and make less use of color in general, try to keep it neutral looking.
20090825 06:06:48< VurtualRuler98> And that one hand looks all distorted for some reason.
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20090825 06:07:53< maackey>  ... am i missing something here?
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20090825 06:15:47< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090825 06:16:14< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: To what are you referring?
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20090825 06:28:54< maackey> Aethaeryn: what did you need "instant sprite feedback" on?
20090825 06:29:31< Aethaeryn> shock trooper
20090825 06:31:45< Aethaeryn> maackey: http://yfrog.com/e4shocktrooperredesign4bp
20090825 06:32:48< maackey> it reminds me of an astronaut
20090825 06:33:15< maackey> with a flamethrower? >:D
20090825 06:33:20< Aethaeryn> Not flamethrower
20090825 06:33:23< Aethaeryn> Electricthrower. :P
20090825 06:33:32< Aethaeryn> It shoots pelts of electric.
20090825 06:33:58< maackey> its quite dark
20090825 06:34:02< maackey> which isn't bad
20090825 06:34:08< maackey> if thats what you're going for
20090825 06:34:21< maackey> i think it could use a blue stripe on the barrel
20090825 06:34:28< maackey> to symbolize its for electricity
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20090825 06:35:06< maackey> or maybe just some charging/glowing diodes of some sort
20090825 06:35:15< Aethaeryn> Yes, it could use a lightning bolt
20090825 06:35:19< Aethaeryn> but the scale is SOOOO awful.
20090825 06:35:31< maackey> ?
20090825 06:35:33< Aethaeryn> You don't know how hard it is... If sprites were 3x the size, it would actually be easier.
20090825 06:35:40< Aethaeryn> Oh wait, you probably do know how hard it is :P
20090825 06:35:51< Aethaeryn> I will probably give him some kind of shock-y standing or idle animation
20090825 06:36:27< maackey> naw, some little leds on the barrel would be pretty easy i think
20090825 06:37:06< Aethaeryn> oh, the barrel was awful
20090825 06:37:55< Aethaeryn> the scale is so small that any kind of detail on it takes away from the "round" effect in the shading and makes it ugly
20090825 06:38:40< Aethaeryn> I'll *try* though
20090825 06:38:43< maackey> hold on one sec
20090825 06:38:50< maackey> i'll upload what i had in mind
20090825 06:40:53< maackey> http://img269.imageshack.us/i/shocktrooperredesign4b.png/
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20090825 06:50:36< maackey> http://img339.imageshack.us/i/dragonl.png/  :3
20090825 06:53:09< Aethaeryn> not enough dark imo
20090825 06:54:08< Aethaeryn> as in, shade the darker parts a little bit darker
20090825 06:54:27< Aethaeryn> might give a more three dimensional effect
20090825 06:55:44< maackey> yes, it needs more darks
20090825 06:55:58< maackey> does the head facing seem alright though?
20090825 06:56:13< Aethaeryn> maackey: http://img511.yfrog.com/i/shocktrooperredesign4c.png/
20090825 06:56:23< Aethaeryn> hrmm
20090825 06:56:29< Aethaeryn> now that you mention it, your head looks a little off
20090825 06:56:41< Aethaeryn> as in, it shouldn't curve that much with that much neck
20090825 06:56:44< maackey> cause its looking straight out
20090825 06:56:54< Aethaeryn> easiest fix would be to raise the head a bit, and give the neck some more twist
20090825 06:57:08< Aethaeryn> give it more neck, too, that might be why the head looks awkward
20090825 06:57:18< maackey> well, its supposed to have a little bit of neck; its just hidden behind the head
20090825 06:57:21< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth's style is neckless, but not for the monsters :P
20090825 06:57:31< Aethaeryn> yeah, but it wouldn't twist that much
20090825 06:57:41< Aethaeryn> just raise the head and extend the neck a bit and it'll probably look better
20090825 06:57:43< Aethaeryn> just a gut feeling
20090825 06:58:05< Aethaeryn> otherwise nice
20090825 07:02:59< Aethaeryn> maackey: actually, I don't want the barrel markings to not be TC'd but TC'd red looks too much like blood
20090825 07:03:32< maackey> heh, that it does
20090825 07:05:29< maackey> i dunno, do you have any idea what the gun would look like in a larger size?
20090825 07:05:36< maackey> Aethaeryn?
20090825 07:12:09< Aethaeryn> maackey: meh, I'll save fanciness for the lvl 3
20090825 07:12:25< Aethaeryn> I have four factions to do, I'll have to settle for not perfect
20090825 07:13:45< maackey> http://img139.imageshack.us/i/dragonn.png/  -- slightly less not perfect :D
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20090825 07:15:09< maackey> oh darn... i forgot to turn the neck
20090825 07:15:36< maackey> anyway, your suggestion really helped a lot, thanks :)
20090825 07:16:50< maackey> Aethaeryn: btw what project are the four factions for?
20090825 07:19:46< Aethaeryn> Thunderstone
20090825 07:19:50< Aethaeryn> My sci fi era
20090825 07:20:00< Aethaeryn> I originally didn't intend to do most of the sprites.
20090825 07:20:11< Aethaeryn> But every other option fell through, and I didn't want it to die.
20090825 07:20:40< Aethaeryn> Expect an alpha in a matter of weeks, but don't bet your life on it.
20090825 07:23:03< Aethaeryn> maackey: http://yfrog.com/e6shocktrooperredesign4ep
20090825 07:23:25< Aethaeryn> touched up the body, the arm, and a lot of things
20090825 07:24:34< Aethaeryn> I *really* feel like I can finish this sprite tonight.
20090825 07:25:06< maackey> I find that when you set something down that you've been working on for a while
20090825 07:25:08< maackey> and come back to it later
20090825 07:25:10< maackey> it really helps
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20090825 07:25:42< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090825 07:25:42< maackey> because its kinda like you're seeing it for the first time again
20090825 07:25:47< Aethaeryn> I finally got the gun right :)
20090825 07:25:56< Aethaeryn> Getting guns right is a *huge* thing.
20090825 07:25:56< maackey> and you can tell whats wrong with it
20090825 07:26:01< maackey> i like it
20090825 07:26:13< Aethaeryn> thanks :)
20090825 07:26:45< maackey> it might be nice to have some brighter colors tho, like on the helmet?
20090825 07:27:00< maackey> or are you intending it to be a dark/scary shock tropper?
20090825 07:27:02< maackey> trooper*
20090825 07:27:13< Aethaeryn> hrmm
20090825 07:27:19< Aethaeryn> I wanted the sprite dark, yeah
20090825 07:27:35< Aethaeryn> The other humans are pretty light, he's supposed to be a contrast.
20090825 07:28:10< maackey> ahh, well then he's perfect :)
20090825 07:32:59< Aethaeryn> #Wesnoth-Thunderstone is the channel, by the way
20090825 07:33:16< Aethaeryn> if you want to lurk every now and then. The SVN-tracking bot is linked to a larger repository so not everything's related to Thunderstone
20090825 07:35:24< Aethaeryn> maackey: as for the lvl 3 for the shock trooper
20090825 07:35:34< Aethaeryn> Do you think I should turn a lame pun into a lamer one?
20090825 07:35:45< Aethaeryn> Shock Trooper (lvl 2) -> Electricutioner (lvl 3)
20090825 07:35:48< maackey> XD
20090825 07:35:49< maackey> go for it
20090825 07:35:56< maackey> lol, i love it
20090825 07:36:20< maackey> what is the level 1?
20090825 07:36:29< Aethaeryn> At the moment, the lvl 1 is the Recruit
20090825 07:36:39< Aethaeryn> and it branches into Rifleman, Shock Trooper, and Machine Gunner
20090825 07:36:57< Aethaeryn> Rifleman = standard, Shock Trooper = anti-vehicle (electric damage), and Machine Gunner = anti-infantry
20090825 07:37:26< maackey> sounds sweet, although I probably will be crushed for time soon
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20090825 07:37:42< Aethaeryn> yeah
20090825 07:37:54< maackey> actually, i'm already pretty crushed :x
20090825 07:37:59< Aethaeryn> The shock trooper will have a lvl 1 if and only if the humans need better anti-vehicles
20090825 07:38:17< maackey> i have holds on my registration for school because I never went to see some "honors advisor"
20090825 07:38:34< maackey> and this week is drop/add and i can't register
20090825 07:38:36< maackey> gah
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20090825 07:39:06< maackey> and my video card broke so i cant do 3d stuff for spring
20090825 07:39:16< maackey> anyway, sorry to rant
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20090825 10:50:43< Ivanovic> moin
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20090825 12:39:25< yamokidzu-it> some good mod for decrease randmoness?
20090825 12:40:37< zookeeper> stop asking the same thing when you've gotten your answers already.
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20090825 13:08:21< anCRYPTIon> how hard would it be to make an aoe attack in wml? (trying to build a middle-easter era set)
20090825 13:10:32< anCRYPTIon> hello?
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20090825 13:22:17< ScreaminIke> hello
20090825 13:31:17< zookeeper> ScreaminIke, you mean an attack that'd hit multiple enemy units at once? pretty easy.
20090825 13:31:38< zookeeper> but of course you wouldn't see the damage calculations right and it might be tricky to get resistances to work right too.
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20090825 13:32:30< yamokidzu-it> don't be agry with me
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20090825 14:36:29< yamokidzu-it> some good mod for decrease randmoness?
20090825 14:37:23< zookeeper> stop asking the same thing when you've gotten your answers already.
20090825 14:37:39< zookeeper> (or you'll get kicked out sooner or later)
20090825 14:37:49< yamokidzu-it> Don't worry be happy! :)
20090825 14:38:25< zookeeper> don't be stupid, be smart.
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20090825 14:41:05< yamokidzu-it> why don't you go to meet you parents.. to the ZOO! XD
20090825 14:42:28< zookeeper> why don't you stop being so annoying.
20090825 14:46:59< yamokidzu-it> I just want try to play a different game, that's all... I'm grateful with you for the mod but unfortunately it runs too slow in my pc... 
20090825 14:47:41< yamokidzu-it> so if you know other less-randomness mod I'll be glad
20090825 14:47:46< zookeeper> stop asking the same thing when you've gotten your answers already.
20090825 14:48:05< yamokidzu-it> ...
20090825 14:48:42< zookeeper> it's not that hard, is it?
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20090825 17:36:37< Mike1> arghhhhhhhhhh
20090825 17:36:49< Mike1> that randomness generator is really broken -_-
20090825 17:37:18< Mike1> how can a damn archer lvl2 deal three times 12dmg to my elvish champion?? :-(
20090825 17:37:32< Mike1> out of shallow water
20090825 17:37:59< Soliton> the chance to hit depends on the defenders terrain only.
20090825 17:38:13< Mike1> it was flat :-(
20090825 17:38:36< Soliton> put him in a forest then.
20090825 17:38:43< Ivanovic> Mike1: real life is broken, too
20090825 17:38:49< Mike1> no forest there :-(
20090825 17:38:50< Ivanovic> how can somebody really win in a lottery?
20090825 17:39:14< Ivanovic> the chances there are a *lot* lower than being hit three times when the chance to hit per strike is 60%
20090825 17:39:51< Ivanovic> chances for this to happen are something like 20%, so i'd assume it happens quite often
20090825 17:40:17< Mike1> and? lottery sucks, wesnoth does not (usually)
20090825 17:40:32< zookeeper> i wish people would stop using real life parallels.
20090825 17:40:51< Ivanovic> there is nothing broken in the rng when an event with a chance to happen somewhere at 20% actually *does* happen
20090825 17:41:12< Mike1> -_-
20090825 17:41:13< Ivanovic> sure, it is unlikely that it happens every time, but one out of five cases i'd expect it to
20090825 17:41:15< Ivanovic> ;)
20090825 17:41:23< Mike1> its just unfair :-(
20090825 17:41:32< zookeeper> no it's not
20090825 17:41:39< Mike1> a lvl 2 unit beating my lvl 3 with half hp :-(
20090825 17:41:54< zookeeper> the computer doesn't complain when you kill its lvl 3 with your half-hp lvl 2.
20090825 17:42:04< Ivanovic> off for some hours
20090825 17:42:11< Mike1> so it should be that way! :D
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20090825 17:43:57< Soliton> the computer doesn't complain about debug mode either.
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20090825 17:50:34< vjoe> hi
20090825 17:54:08< wajimba> ho
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20090825 18:45:57< wajimba> it's off to work we go
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20090825 21:56:12< keb> mutt
20090825 21:56:14< keb> er
20090825 21:57:02< shadowmaster> bash: mutt: command not found
20090825 21:58:25< keb> thanks
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20090825 22:38:20< wajimba> so, how do you change your "quit:" text?
20090825 22:39:49< Zarel> It should be somewhere in "Options", "Settings", "Preferences", etc...
20090825 22:39:54< Zarel> The exact location depends on your IRC client.
20090825 22:43:24< Soliton> /quit takes the message as argument.
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20090825 22:53:14< mysticX> hi ..Blarumyrran?
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20090825 22:59:31< Woodmouse> I'll go sleeping now, cya later
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20090825 23:03:15< Blarumyrran> Why, hello there... mysticX
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