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20090826 00:10:31< Chakravanti> i think i'm noticing that wesnoth takes longer to load (First load & MP) the more eras i have is this usual?
20090826 00:11:03< Blarumyrran> yes
20090826 00:11:28< Ivanovic> that is perfectly normal
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20090826 04:25:49< keb> good morning
20090826 04:26:37< shadowmaster> good night
20090826 04:27:20< Blarumyrran> good something-between-night-and-morning
20090826 04:27:46< keb> game time?
20090826 04:29:38< shadowmaster> Internet fail.
20090826 04:29:42< shadowmaster> I can't play MP.
20090826 04:30:14< shadowmaster> (and I suck at Wesnoth too.)
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20090826 04:35:46< Aethaeryn> keb: The only thing between night (first/second watch) and morning is dawn
20090826 04:35:50< Aethaeryn> according to Wesnoth :P
20090826 04:36:12< keb> is that the long night or the short night
20090826 04:37:25< Aethaeryn> keb: this is pre-apocalypse time
20090826 04:37:35< keb> there should be a "morning person" trait for 25% bonus only during dawn
20090826 04:38:12< Aethaeryn> or "partier" for 25% bonus in partying, -25% bonus in combat during dusk and first watch
20090826 04:38:56< keb> hmm what mode of attack is partying
20090826 04:39:27< Aethaeryn> berserk
20090826 04:39:32< Aethaeryn> since only the ulf line drinks
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20090826 04:53:33< keb> is someone writing the campaign that leads to apocalypse
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20090826 04:59:52< VurtualRuler98> What apocalypse, keb?
20090826 05:00:48< keb> the one that occurs a thousand years before the Under the Burning Suns campaign
20090826 05:03:23< VurtualRuler98> Well.
20090826 05:03:27< VurtualRuler98> I can safely say very much yes.
20090826 05:03:30< VurtualRuler98> very, very yes.
20090826 05:03:34< VurtualRuler98> That's all I can say.
20090826 05:03:47< keb> safely
20090826 05:04:09< VurtualRuler98> There's no possible chance of a no.
20090826 05:05:48< keb> then i may rest assured
20090826 05:08:32< Aethaeryn> Not necessarily.
20090826 05:08:47< Aethaeryn> Just because people are making it doesn't mean there will be a quality and complete result eventually.
20090826 05:09:01< Aethaeryn> Quality and complete are two very big qualifiers.
20090826 05:09:38< keb> maybe there will be one of each
20090826 05:12:54< keb> i will playtest them all
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20090826 06:08:19< Aethaeryn> Everyone's very chatty today, eh?
20090826 06:18:29< Blueblaze> I got a PS3
20090826 06:18:34< Blueblaze> afk for 10 years
20090826 06:26:13< Aethaeryn> lol
20090826 06:26:29< Aethaeryn> I might have gotten a PS3 if they had a price cut last winter instead of this summer :P
20090826 06:27:00< Aethaeryn> As it stands, there's only 3 games I am probably going to buy, and I'll get them for the Xbox 360.
20090826 06:27:16< Aethaeryn> Heresy in open source, I know, but Sony isn't very friendly a company either.
20090826 06:27:25< Aethaeryn> I recall they installed malware on your computer if you played some of their audio CDs.
20090826 06:27:49< Aethaeryn> Consoles are, by nature, proprietary. What a shame.
20090826 06:28:16< Blueblaze> about 50 of their audio cds installed a rootkit a few years ago
20090826 06:28:22< Blueblaze> was part of a way to prevent people from burning CDs
20090826 06:28:29< Blueblaze> they recalled all those cds though
20090826 06:28:39< Blueblaze> and released the malware removal software
20090826 06:28:50< Blueblaze> plus gave people who bought those cds extra money and free downloads
20090826 06:30:12< Aethaeryn> Yes, but Sony isn't a good company either, is my point.
20090826 06:30:17< Aethaeryn> They've had their share of scandals.
20090826 06:31:06< Aethaeryn> Of course, there are a few games I want to play, and I don't have a gaming computer, so a console is the cheaper option, unfortunately...
20090826 06:31:19< Aethaeryn> Assassin's Creed 2 is going to be awesome, for instance.
20090826 06:31:32< Aethaeryn> (It takes place in Italy, you should buy it.)
20090826 06:43:44< Blueblaze> might
20090826 06:43:49< Blueblaze> ill buy Assassins Creed 1 first
20090826 06:43:52< Blueblaze> and maybe the iPhone version too
20090826 06:55:25< Aethaeryn> Assassin's Creed 1 is easily my favorite console game
20090826 06:55:33< Aethaeryn> given that most are shooters
20090826 06:55:51< Aethaeryn> I don't mind shooters, I loved Wolfenstein: ET, but Assassin's Creed actually kinda has an original feel to it.
20090826 06:58:56< Aethaeryn> the *biggest* advantage of being a late adopter of a console is that you get to go to Game Stop and buy good games for < $20. I think Assassin's creed as $8
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20090826 07:00:48< Blueblaze> yes
20090826 07:01:23< Aethaeryn> I got a guitar hero guitar (wired, though) *and* guitar hero aeorsmith for $10
20090826 07:01:35< Aethaeryn> *aerosmith
20090826 07:01:49< Aethaeryn> In a clearance, because that game was old (and a bit of a flop) and everyone still wanted world tour and rock band 2
20090826 07:03:00< Aethaeryn> If I feel like getting guitar hero: world tour, I'll get it *next* year's Christmas (not even the upcoming one)
20090826 07:03:15< Aethaeryn> Then there'll be 8 guitar hero releases between then, and it too will be under $20 fully equipped
20090826 07:03:37< Aethaeryn> You gotta love an industry where things go obsolete after a season
20090826 07:04:08< Blueblaze> oh
20090826 07:04:14< Blueblaze> yeah Amazon.com has Guitar Hero 3
20090826 07:04:17< Blueblaze> plus the guitar for $30
20090826 07:04:21< Blueblaze> anyway, I'd rather Rockband
20090826 07:04:48< Aethaeryn> Those morons at guitar hero will eventually realize that it's better to release downloadable content
20090826 07:05:09< Aethaeryn> that never go on clearance sales
20090826 07:05:25< Aethaeryn> The guitar and game I got were *new* for $10
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20090826 07:05:42< Blueblaze> lol
20090826 07:05:52< Blueblaze> yeah, Amazon has the wireless guitar and the game new for $30
20090826 07:05:54< Blueblaze> so thats totally worth it
20090826 07:05:56< Blueblaze> but
20090826 07:05:57< Blueblaze> I rather have Rockband
20090826 07:05:59< Blueblaze> because I want DLC
20090826 07:06:06< Blueblaze> plus I want it to be compatible with the Beatles game
20090826 07:06:52< Aethaeryn> I'll get Rockband 1&2 after Rockband 3 is released.
20090826 07:07:01< Aethaeryn> (I haven't been following it, maybe it's coming out soon)
20090826 07:07:15< Aethaeryn> Guitar Hero oversaturates the market, it *can't* be making a profit like it is.
20090826 07:07:40< Aethaeryn> I'll probably be getting all the latest Guitar Heroes (World Tour, Smash Hits, Metallica, Van Hallen, 5, etc.) for the price of ONE of those if it was around the release time.
20090826 07:07:46< Aethaeryn> Honestly, they assume we don't have patience.
20090826 07:11:17< Aethaeryn> Rock Band is being smarter, with rarer releases and focusing on DLC.
20090826 07:11:27< Aethaeryn> Of course, Guitar Hero's stupidity will hurt Rock Band as well.
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20090826 07:26:44< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: well Rockband is really a DLC type game
20090826 07:26:54< Blueblaze> I doubt Rockband 3 will be coming out for this generation consoles
20090826 07:26:55< Blueblaze> maybe 
20090826 07:31:58< Aethaeryn> Well, Rockband 1
20090826 07:32:04< Aethaeryn> so I think Rockband 3 will come.
20090826 07:32:19< Aethaeryn> This is an extended generation
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20090826 07:38:47< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: no its not
20090826 07:38:48< Blueblaze> :Z
20090826 07:38:53< Blueblaze> this is a shortened generation
20090826 07:43:42< Blueblaze> well the PS2 is seeing 10 years
20090826 07:43:43< Blueblaze> PS3 will as well
20090826 07:43:57< Blueblaze> after Natal fails, the Xbox 360 will come to an end
20090826 07:52:37< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Ted Kennedy died
20090826 07:52:42< Aethaeryn> Damn it.
20090826 07:52:52 * Blueblaze says yay
20090826 07:52:54< Blueblaze> :z
20090826 07:52:56< Aethaeryn> I had "lol" typed and was about to hit enter when you said that line.
20090826 07:52:59< Blueblaze> LOL
20090826 07:53:06< Aethaeryn> It would've been entirely improper to laugh at that statement, though.
20090826 07:53:24< Blueblaze> meh
20090826 07:53:26< Blueblaze> not really
20090826 07:53:42< Aethaeryn> Who needs Kennedy's though now that we have Obama?
20090826 07:55:44< Blueblaze> we don't, Obama was Kennedy's hand picked successor
20090826 07:55:48< Blueblaze> more or less anyway
20090826 07:58:10< Jean-Pierre> lol
20090826 08:07:19< Aethaeryn> I'm going to be discussing/revealing new sprites of mine in #Wesnoth-Thunderstone if anyone is particularly bored right now.
20090826 08:09:16< Aethaeryn> No one, good :P
20090826 08:21:35< Jean-Pierre> oh, I would be interested, but I am REALLY sleepy an it's 3:21 am in here
20090826 08:21:38< Jean-Pierre> :-/
20090826 08:22:00< Jean-Pierre> good night everyone
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20090826 09:37:30< vjoe> sup
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20090826 10:40:44< Ivanovic> moin
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20090826 11:11:03< rainy-it> hi
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20090826 12:19:07< kardan_> hi #wesnoth
20090826 12:19:20< kardan_> i am about to compile wesnoth on debian squeeze
20090826 12:19:52< kardan_> configure ran already, but make had problems with my boost_* versions
20090826 12:21:32< kardan_> running build-dep the following are installed: libboost-iostreams-dev libboost-iostreams1.38-dev libboost-test-dev libboost-test1.38-dev
20090826 12:24:21< kardan_> output of make: http://pastie.org/595186
20090826 12:24:50< kardan_> which additional information could you use?
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20090826 12:26:30< Ivanovic> kardan: the debian packages of boost are broken
20090826 12:26:44< Ivanovic> they split at some place and have not handled an internal dep that boost has
20090826 12:26:51< kardan> thats not good to hear
20090826 12:27:12< kardan> so i will need to compile them myself
20090826 12:27:18< Ivanovic> you also have to install the serialization package of boost
20090826 12:27:22< Ivanovic> then it should work
20090826 12:27:39< kardan> thanks Ivanovic!
20090826 12:30:04< Ivanovic> IIRC that problem is already reported upstream, no idea if eg Rhonda knows the status of this report
20090826 12:31:42< Ivanovic> kardan: uhm, beside this we depends directly on serialization anyway
20090826 12:32:16< Ivanovic> argh, no, it was regex that we depend on directly, not serialization
20090826 12:33:14< kardan> crap, I dont wont to penetrate Rhonda again ..
20090826 12:33:24 * Rhonda smiles at kardan
20090826 12:33:42< Rhonda> What wesnoth version do you want to compile, and which's wesnoth version's build-depends did you install?
20090826 12:34:20< Rhonda> I guess you installed the B-D from the 1.6 version and want to compile the 1.7 version which might need some more (don't know out of my head, sorry)
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20090826 12:34:50< Ivanovic> Rhonda: the only added dep is lua
20090826 12:34:59< Rhonda> Ivanovic: ... and I fixed that part in the Debian sources, so installing the B-D from the package within Debian should work for kardan
20090826 12:35:01< Ivanovic> beside this version requirement for boost was bumped to 1.35.0
20090826 12:35:52< Rhonda> kardan: And also besides, I don't hold grudges for long. I am very well aware that you are quite enthusiastic and motivated and I don't want to destroy that part in you.
20090826 12:36:16< Rhonda> What's the problem with using the debianized source, btw.?
20090826 12:36:52< Rhonda> But apart from that, kardan: /usr/include/boost/multi_index/detail/index_loader.hpp:21:39: error: boost/serialization/nvp.hpp: No such file or directory
20090826 12:37:06< Rhonda> You just need to apt-file search for boost/serialization/nvp.hpp
20090826 12:37:36< Rhonda> ... in case there *really* is something missing in my package. Which I highly doubt according to build logs.
20090826 12:37:49< Rhonda> And I always build the packages in a clean chroot.
20090826 12:39:01< Rhonda> I'm willing to mentor you if you are willing to listen. :)
20090826 12:41:31< kardan> Rhonda just answering your the first questions: $ ./configure --version Battle for Wesnoth configure 1.7.3+svn generated by GNU Autoconf 2.64 $ wesnoth -v Battle for Wesnoth v1.6.4
20090826 12:41:50 * kardan will take a breath outside before proceeding
20090826 12:50:38< Rhonda> kardan: You definitely installed only the build-depends for the version in unstable, not experimental.
20090826 12:50:41< Rhonda> :~$ for i in unstable experimental; do w3m -dump http://packages.debian.org/$i/source/wesnoth > $i.txt; done; diff unstable.txt experimental.txt|grep adep
20090826 12:50:48< Rhonda> >     adep: libdbus-1-dev
20090826 12:50:48< Rhonda> >     adep: libboost-serialization-dev
20090826 12:50:48< Rhonda> >     adep: automake
20090826 12:50:48< Rhonda> >     adep: liblua5.1-0-dev
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20090826 18:33:10< vjoe> hi
20090826 18:38:24< wajimba> MAH!
20090826 18:44:48< wajimba> ancestral: how goes development of ascension? haven't heard from you in a while on the thread
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20090826 18:56:37< ancestral> wajimba: Hi
20090826 18:56:47< ancestral> I'll probably release a 1.0 this week
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20090826 19:04:22< wajimba> cool
20090826 19:04:50< wajimba> has anyone expressed an interest in contributing new sprites?
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20090826 19:16:00< wajimba> :(   I hate it when people don't answer you..
20090826 19:16:26< Woodmouse> I hate it too, but well, this is #wesnoth
20090826 19:16:48< shadowmaster> meh.
20090826 19:17:02< shadowmaster> Woodmouse: thank you for revealing our secret conspiracy against the users.
20090826 19:17:11< Woodmouse> sorry. :o ... xD
20090826 19:17:32< shadowmaster> now could you go to complain elsewhere about how we are supposedly against you?
20090826 19:17:53< shadowmaster> ancestral may have had to quit for any reason.
20090826 19:18:05< Woodmouse> yeah
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20090826 19:19:10< wajimba> I know, it's IRC for a reason :|
20090826 19:19:34< shadowmaster> Internet Relay Chat, right.
20090826 19:21:23< wajimba> how's this for a pseudonym? Chris P. Bacon
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20090826 19:31:20< ancestral> wajimba: no, no one has seriously expressed interest with new sprites :(
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20090826 19:32:42< shadowmaster> wajimba: see! the answer eventually comes back to you!
20090826 19:32:54 * wajimba is glad that thespaceinvader is at least working on the drakes for mainline :)
20090826 19:33:02< wajimba> :D
20090826 19:33:15< ancestral> shadowmaster: It's kind of like a boomerang!
20090826 19:33:25< wajimba> but less painful
20090826 19:33:28< ancestral> Some say it's the world's first computer
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20090826 19:39:19< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse quit before I could make my comment.
20090826 19:39:25< Aethaeryn> He must be conspiring against letting me speak to him.
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20090826 19:49:10< Maw1> Hi people. I got here through #wesnoth-mp and a little bit of forum searching - I'm having an issue trying to connect to the host server on 1.6.4. Can anyone help?
20090826 19:50:17< Jean-Pierre> describe your issue
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20090826 19:50:54< Maw1> I get the "could not connect to host" while trying to access the muliplayer server
20090826 19:50:58< Maw1> tried the alternate servers
20090826 19:51:11< wajimba> can you ping the server?
20090826 19:51:14< Maw1> also tried allowing the program in my firewall, which doesn't even seem to notice wesnoth existing
20090826 19:51:32< Maw1> wajimba: Hah, didn't try that. What was the command again?
20090826 19:51:46< wajimba> ping www.google.com
20090826 19:51:48< shadowmaster> ping wesnoth.org
20090826 19:51:53< wajimba> replace with the server address
20090826 19:52:08< shadowmaster> wajimba: ping wesnoth.org should be equivalent to server.wesnoth.org since they share the same host
20090826 19:52:22< Maw1> no packet loss, ping worked fine
20090826 19:52:48< wajimba> maybe you have to allow traffic on the wesnoth port
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20090826 19:53:44< Maw1> Port forwarding huh... don't have a clue on how to do that :x
20090826 19:54:00< wajimba> I was thinking firewall
20090826 19:54:09< Maw1> Free ZA doesn't allow that :P
20090826 19:54:14< Maw1> so... not an option.
20090826 19:54:53< shadowmaster> wajimba: we are currently assisting him on #wesnoth-mp btw
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20090826 20:47:27< ancestral> sigh
20090826 20:47:54< ancestral> My friend starts arguing with me and I tell him I don't want to argue
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20090826 20:49:52< Blarumyrran> That is weak
20090826 20:50:02< Aethaeryn> Agreed.
20090826 20:50:11< Aethaeryn> Where would the world be without arguing?
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20090826 20:58:17< VurtualRuler98> Very, very backwards and overpopulated, with massive plagues.
20090826 20:58:34< VurtualRuler98> Until one hits big enough to take out enough people and we're gone at roughly 120AD.
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20090826 21:00:28< kardan|> I managed to install and run wesnoth 1.7.3 - the problem was the wroing boost version (35 instead of 38). thanks to Ivanovic and Rhonda
20090826 21:02:23< kardan|> Rhonda thanks for your offer to help! i appreciate that. will go on the road the next day, so I just will qry you when I got back.
20090826 21:05:09< Soliton> wesnoth requires boost 1.35.
20090826 21:06:14< Soliton> the boost dependencies in debian might have only been fixed with 1.38 though. so if you couldn't be bothered with installing boost serialization or whatever seperately that was probably the issue.
20090826 21:10:16< Rhonda> Soliton: ... or newer. :)
20090826 21:11:07< Soliton> of course. doesn't mean having 1.35 was the wrong version.
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20090826 21:33:56< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: I hope you don't mind if I modify the sprite heavily.
20090826 21:34:48< thespaceinvader> Aethaeryn: no worries
20090826 21:34:55< thespaceinvader> i'm glad to see it used tbh
20090826 21:35:29< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: want to see what I've got so far, playing around with it?
20090826 21:35:35< thespaceinvader> ure
20090826 21:35:36< thespaceinvader> sure
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20090826 21:38:19< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: http://yfrog.com/4varcanist0ip
20090826 21:38:34< Aethaeryn> I haven't gotten to the arms yet, I still haven't gotten the shoulders looking right
20090826 21:38:52< thespaceinvader> that is a heavy edit :P
20090826 21:38:57< thespaceinvader> have you made him female?
20090826 21:39:00< Aethaeryn> No.
20090826 21:39:23< thespaceinvader> it kind of feels that way
20090826 21:39:26< thespaceinvader> it's the hips
20090826 21:39:39< Aethaeryn> I'm still working on the shoulders.
20090826 21:39:44< Aethaeryn> All I did was recolor the bottom.
20090826 21:40:01< thespaceinvader> one thing i really like about the original is the shoulders - particularly because i like that style of coat
20090826 21:40:03< Aethaeryn> I'll have to narrow the coat, but the bottom half and the weapon will probably be mostly the same, just shaded and recolored.
20090826 21:40:20< Aethaeryn> hrmm... artistic differences...
20090826 21:40:27< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: If you want, i can recycle the shoulders in the lvl 3
20090826 21:40:36< thespaceinvader> sounds fine to me
20090826 21:40:38< Aethaeryn> I just had to mix in a bit of the lvl 1 mage to make it look like a promotion
20090826 21:40:44< Aethaeryn> the shoulders are more lvl 3 to me anyway
20090826 21:40:47< thespaceinvader> yeah, no worries
20090826 21:41:02< thespaceinvader> i guess i just like the stockman's coat design
20090826 21:41:13< Aethaeryn> As I said, lvl 3.
20090826 21:42:37< Aethaeryn> I had to make it half like the lvl 1 mage at the top, and the shoulders just didn't blend.
20090826 21:42:43< Aethaeryn> So I'll recycle them in the lvl 3 version.
20090826 21:43:52 * wajimba1 wonders what is this for :)
20090826 21:44:01< shadowmaster> this is #wesnoth
20090826 21:44:05< shadowmaster> ah wait, the art? :P
20090826 21:44:10< wajimba1> yes
20090826 21:44:19< shadowmaster> wajimba1: Thunderstone Era.
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20090826 21:44:33< shadowmaster> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Thunderstone
20090826 21:45:03< shadowmaster> I'll go to eat lunch; maybe I get something done too for the shaxthals...
20090826 21:46:37< wajimba1> is Invasion from the Unknown an single scenario someone made?
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20090826 21:49:48< Aethaeryn> wajimba1: No, it's a very long campaign, that's actually in two parts.
20090826 21:50:03< Aethaeryn> Thunderstone's campaign will be in three parts, though. But shorter parts.
20090826 21:50:11< wajimba1> so, pulling from that camp. into an era- I like it
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20090826 21:52:14< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: unfortunately, to defeminize it, I'm going to have to edit more the already-heavy edit :P
20090826 21:52:25< thespaceinvader> lol, no worries
20090826 21:52:37< Aethaeryn> Yeah, your guy will probably be more original in lvl 3 form, with the shoulders and all.
20090826 21:52:46< Aethaeryn> No guaruntees though... I just can't stop editing until it looks "right"
20090826 21:55:18< wajimba1> is this related to/borrowing from Spacenoth/GE at all?
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20090826 22:02:19< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: want to see another version?
20090826 22:02:27< Aethaeryn> The arms and shoulders still don't look quite right, but I think the rest are okay.
20090826 22:02:36< thespaceinvader> sure
20090826 22:03:40< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: http://yfrog.com/e9arcanist0lp
20090826 22:04:12< Aethaeryn> I'm going to return to the shoulders, so talk about the rest of the body, please.
20090826 22:04:35< thespaceinvader> shoulders feel too narrow for the legs - i'd thin down the coat there slightly, it doesn't fit with the size of the unit you're going for
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20090826 22:09:11< wajimba1> thespaceinvader: nice job with the drakes so far
20090826 22:09:21< thespaceinvader> wajimba1: thank you
20090826 22:09:24< Blarumyrran> Head is too small.
20090826 22:09:37< Blarumyrran> The inner contours are too black.
20090826 22:09:51< Blarumyrran> Shading is inconsistent.
20090826 22:11:07< wajimba1> thespaceinvader: for terminology, is the base frame the one that shows up when the unit is not moving?
20090826 22:12:12< thespaceinvader> yes
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20090826 22:12:51< thespaceinvader> if you look in your data/core/images/units/drakes directory, the base frames are the ones without any suffix - so just fighter.png burner.png etc
20090826 22:13:02< wajimba1> so, did you do the base frames, or is that someone else?
20090826 22:13:33< Aethaeryn> brb
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20090826 22:13:41< Aethaeryn> and yes, Blarumyrran, this is an early shading draft
20090826 22:13:45< Aethaeryn> you would *not* have wanted to see my first mage
20090826 22:14:22< wajimba1> what program(s) do you guys use to work on sprites?
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20090826 22:16:38< Aethaeryn> I use the GIMP
20090826 22:17:33< wajimba1> cool- any specilizations?
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20090826 22:17:56< thespaceinvader> wajimba1: neoriceisgood made the base frames
20090826 22:18:07< thespaceinvader> i did a few tweks to most of them, with jetrel's help
20090826 22:18:13< thespaceinvader> teamwork!
20090826 22:19:51< wajimba1> thespaceinvader: are the base frames for the last remaining units done?
20090826 22:20:03< thespaceinvader> not yet, no
20090826 22:20:25< thespaceinvader> we are still waiting on the flare, flameheart and armageddon, and tweaks for the fire and blademaster
20090826 22:32:18< wajimba1> thespaceinvader: there's a little bit of brown in the top right corner of the Warrior's base frame, at least on here: http://tinyurl.com/kt9xsl
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20090826 22:34:14< thespaceinvader> wajimba1: i'm aware of that - there's a similar issue with the Sky Drake.  But I checked both base frames, and they're clean
20090826 22:34:30< thespaceinvader> so i think it must be an issue with units.wesnoth.org
20090826 22:34:36< wajimba1> how does that page get built?
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20090826 22:35:02< wajimba1> does it grab files out of the latest build?
20090826 22:35:27< Soliton> from svn, yes.
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20090826 22:36:19< wajimba1> why are the Arbiter and Thrasher separate units on that page?
20090826 22:37:08< Soliton> because they are.
20090826 22:37:52< wajimba1> no, I know they are..I mean why are they both in their respective lines, but also as single lvl2 units above?
20090826 22:39:29< Soliton> that's the slasher and galdiator.
20090826 22:39:51< Soliton> they're there for backwards compatibility.
20090826 22:40:06< wajimba1> thespaceinvader: here's another question, will the Armageddon drake get a blade weapon to reflect his type of melee damage?
20090826 22:40:19< wajimba1> Soliton: Oh, nice solution :)
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20090826 22:41:08< thespaceinvader> wajimba1: the armageddon drake, as with the rest of the burner line, will use claws of one form or another
20090826 22:41:53< thespaceinvader> but like the inferno drake, these will probably be reinforced and articulated finger extensions, as opposed to the wrist blades of other lines
20090826 22:42:01< thespaceinvader> they are ranged specialists, after all
20090826 22:43:03< wajimba1> thespaceinvader: I haven't seen the new base frame for inferno- where is it?
20090826 22:43:55< thespaceinvader> in the thread
20090826 22:44:15< wajimba1> I've just been looking at the unit tree page, where is the thread?
20090826 22:47:21< thespaceinvader> art contribs, on the forum
20090826 22:47:23< thespaceinvader> hold on
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20090826 22:48:05< thespaceinvader> wajimba1: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=377369#p377369
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20090826 22:58:21< wajimba1> wow, very nice. The inferno drake looks pretty awesome- almost like a chinese dragon from a parade. Very good detail work.
20090826 23:00:13< VurtualRuler98> It looks like a very angry lion who wants his clothes back.
20090826 23:01:42< Blarumyrran> But you keep vigorously repeating the mistake of way too many & way too thin outlines :/
20090826 23:03:13< Blarumyrran> (I mean the portrait ofc)
20090826 23:03:38< VurtualRuler98> nothing is a mistake anymore, it's just an art style.
20090826 23:03:56< Blarumyrran> A comparatively bad style :>
20090826 23:04:21< VurtualRuler98> According to local art freaks, you're apparently just uncultured if you don't like a "style".
20090826 23:05:01< Blarumyrran> I was very happy when jetryl started saying he doesnt believe in that
20090826 23:13:02< Aethaeryn> hmm
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20090826 23:15:23< Aethaeryn> http://yfrog.com/77recruitredesign1cp
20090826 23:15:26< Aethaeryn> How's this for holding a gun?
20090826 23:15:45< Aethaeryn> No comments on the right (from our perspective) arm, I obviously didn't position it yet.
20090826 23:16:23< VurtualRuler98> The foregrip looks just stuck on.
20090826 23:16:34< VurtualRuler98> And what's that even supposed to be?
20090826 23:16:43< VurtualRuler98> A potato cannon?
20090826 23:16:58< Aethaeryn> ...
20090826 23:17:15< VurtualRuler98> A leafblower?
20090826 23:17:27< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090826 23:17:37< Blarumyrran> It looks like one of those sticks
20090826 23:17:41< Blarumyrran> that policemen carry
20090826 23:18:05< Blarumyrran> (i dont know what theyre called, "rubber sticks"?)
20090826 23:18:05< Aethaeryn> I should stop posting drafts if all I get are criticism.
20090826 23:18:06< VurtualRuler98> Why is he hip firing a leafblower exactly?
20090826 23:18:13< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, it's constructive.
20090826 23:18:20< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: No, it's not.
20090826 23:18:37< Aethaeryn> It's "Ooooh, this is an unfinished draft with incomplete details/shadings. Let's rip on the fact that it has incomplete details/shadings."
20090826 23:18:54< Aethaeryn> I wanted to know about how he's HOLDING it, not WHAT he's holding.
20090826 23:19:00< VurtualRuler98> He holds it fine mostly.
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20090826 23:20:27< VurtualRuler98> Although, I'm still trying to figure out how you aim it.
20090826 23:20:48< Aethaeryn> You raise it a bit in the animation?
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20090826 23:58:41< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: http://yfrog.com/42recruitredesign1fp
20090826 23:58:43< Aethaeryn> Better?
20090826 23:59:33< VurtualRuler98> Actually kinda yes.
20090826 23:59:42< VurtualRuler98> Looks like how someone would hold something they aren't shooting yes.
20090826 23:59:52< Aethaeryn> Yes. The point is that the first part of the animation would be to lift it up
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