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20090829 06:44:06< dissocia1ive> how I do install the wesnoth development version additionally to the already installed stable version?
20090829 06:44:16< dissocia1ive> I'm going to install from sources
20090829 06:44:50< mysticX> just make without make install?
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20090829 06:45:28< Soliton> use a different prefix for example.
20090829 06:50:42< dissocia1ive> I guess I should use something like /opt/wesnoth
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20090829 10:20:39< Ivanovic> moin
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20090829 12:22:52< yamokidzu-it> hi
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20090829 12:23:16< Woodmouse> I was able to install flash player 10
20090829 12:23:20< Woodmouse> oops wrong 
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20090829 14:17:56< yamokidzu-it> hi
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20090829 14:20:03< yrainy-it> hello
20090829 14:21:04< yrainy-it> do you know some less randomness era?
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20090829 14:38:22< Woodmouse> ... :O
20090829 14:39:01< Woodmouse> you were told it already, right? :o
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20090829 15:07:15< yrainy-it> please how can I connect using old wesnoth (example 1.0.2)? It tells me "illegal characters compression imput"
20090829 15:07:55< Woodmouse> ....why do you want to sue 1.0.2? -____-"
20090829 15:07:58< Woodmouse> *use
20090829 15:18:48< yrainy-it> it's only an example....x_X
20090829 15:19:14< Woodmouse> well, I dunno
20090829 15:19:29< Woodmouse> But why dont you use 1.6x or 1.7x?
20090829 15:19:49< Ivanovic> yrainy-it: you can't use new content (saves and all the likes) with old versions
20090829 15:19:58< Ivanovic> it is just not possible, they don't cope with it
20090829 15:20:20< Ivanovic> so if you remove your old userdata you can still easily use old versions, just compile+install them and that's it...
20090829 15:20:44< yrainy-it> yes I know, it's beause an old mod only working with these 
20090829 15:20:57< yrainy-it> I install them in different dirs...
20090829 15:21:12< Ivanovic> and by default they probably use the same userdata dir
20090829 15:21:18< Ivanovic> and that one is parsed at every start
20090829 15:21:29< Ivanovic> so it will *NOT* work this way
20090829 15:21:59< yrainy-it> but if I try to use 1.4 and 1.6 it works
20090829 15:22:01< Ivanovic> and you can not use the old versions on the latest multiplayer server
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20090829 15:22:12< Ivanovic> simply because we don't *host* a server for those versions anymore
20090829 15:22:18< Ivanovic> they are *NOT* compatible with the more recent ones
20090829 15:22:29< yrainy-it> ok
20090829 15:23:32< yrainy-it> so multiplayer server is only for newer than 1.4?
20090829 15:25:15< Ivanovic> currently we only host a multiplayerserve for (at least) 1.6, latest development version (1.7.4 atm) and trunk
20090829 15:25:30< Ivanovic> since you seem to be able to still connect to 1.4 that one is probably still running, too
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20090829 15:26:22< Woodmouse> yeah, I tried the 1.4x once. and it worked, but there only was like 5 people
20090829 15:26:23< yrainy-it> mmm now I'm not sure... some weeks ago yes
20090829 15:27:24< yrainy-it> thank you
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20090829 16:19:19< yrainy-it> do you know some good less randomness era?
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20090829 16:24:28< fabi> yrainy-it: stop asking that qestion over and over again
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20090829 16:25:57< wajimba> I feel a boot coming...
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20090829 16:45:49< yrainy-it> simply say no...
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20090829 20:47:12< wajimba> the drakes need a new icon for a sword attack
20090829 20:48:36< shadowmaster> TSI already knows probably
20090829 20:49:02< shadowmaster> after all, he made the new sprites and added the new attack names
20090829 20:49:06< Aethaeryn> Drakes still seem very much like a WIP
20090829 20:49:20< wajimba> they are, but will look sweet when done
20090829 20:49:21< Aethaeryn> after all, some drakes aren't in-game yet... I'd say the icons come last.
20090829 20:49:43< Aethaeryn> I'd rather see all of the Drakes in-game before polish.
20090829 20:49:58< shadowmaster> it's not your decision anyway, Aethaeryn 
20090829 20:50:07< Aethaeryn> I know.
20090829 20:50:15< Aethaeryn> educated guess, though.
20090829 20:50:20< Aethaeryn> Most visible changes = first.
20090829 20:50:40< Aethaeryn> That's why they did the lvl 1s first, for instance.
20090829 20:50:46< wajimba> yeah
20090829 20:51:44< wajimba> and if you want to see the awesomeness that is still WIP, you can get the 1.7 version :D
20090829 20:52:10< wajimba> looking forward to 1.8 tho :DDD
20090829 20:53:14< Aethaeryn> So am I.
20090829 20:53:19< Aethaeryn> I want them to take their time, though.
20090829 20:53:28< wajimba> of course
20090829 20:53:38< Aethaeryn> The longer 1.8 takes to make, the more complete Thunderstone will be when people actually see it in-game. :D
20090829 20:53:54< wajimba> will it be mainline?
20090829 20:54:12< wajimba> or it will just use a lot of the new features?
20090829 20:54:35< wajimba> and artwork
20090829 20:54:37< Aethaeryn> Of course it's not going to be mainline.
20090829 20:55:42< Woodmouse> what won't be in mainline?
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20090829 20:58:24< Aethaeryn> User-made eras.
20090829 20:58:33< shadowmaster> Woodmouse: anything made by you.
20090829 20:58:39< Woodmouse> ...
20090829 20:58:57< shadowmaster> the only new content in mainline for 1.8 is Delfador's Memoirs, thought you already knew that
20090829 20:59:00< Woodmouse> If I would have continued in the mudcrawler...!
20090829 20:59:40< shadowmaster> of course, I'm talking about "UMC that gets ascended to mainline" here. Mainline sprite updates don't count. Neither do engine features.
20090829 21:00:03< Woodmouse> oh ok
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20090829 21:08:48< Blarumyrran> Frankly the old mudcrawler looked better too.
20090829 21:09:23< Woodmouse> :(
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20090829 21:10:35< Aethaeryn> Does he think that we'll beg for him to come back?
20090829 21:10:43< Aethaeryn> He ain't that special.
20090829 21:11:07< shadowmaster> who?
20090829 21:11:40< Aethaeryn> wajimba: Tbh, I'm not sure how many new-in-1.8 features Thunderstone will use. It's being developed in 1.7 because it'll take a long time to complete, and that way I don't have to upgrade it by the time it's ready anyway. Saves time in the future.
20090829 21:11:41< shadowmaster> ah, that moron.
20090829 21:11:50< shadowmaster> (Woodmouse I mean, of course)
20090829 21:11:52< Aethaeryn> (I just finally read your full statement, Woodmouse hijacked the conbo.)
20090829 21:12:16< Blarumyrran> Somewhere in a finnish corner of a room, there is a woodmouse reading logs and crying
20090829 21:12:30< Aethaeryn> Well, maybe.
20090829 21:12:31< shadowmaster> he doesn't even know how to check a /topic
20090829 21:12:46< Blarumyrran> I dont know either
20090829 21:12:46< Aethaeryn> I've read the logs refreshing periodically to stealth-read a channel before.
20090829 21:12:48< shadowmaster> unless you slap him on the face with a log..
20090829 21:12:59< Aethaeryn> I doubt he knwos you can do that though.
20090829 21:12:59< Blarumyrran> is there some command for returning the topic of a channel?
20090829 21:13:05< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: /topic
20090829 21:13:08< shadowmaster> it's the command, really.
20090829 21:13:14< Aethaeryn> What's the /topic command?
20090829 21:13:21< Blarumyrran> ah, i  thought its just setting the topic
20090829 21:13:31< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Just don't put a field after it.
20090829 21:13:40< Blarumyrran> Yes so i gathered
20090829 21:13:40< Aethaeryn>  /topic <foo> sets the topic
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20090829 21:18:35 * wajimba slaps shadowmaster with a log
20090829 21:18:53< shadowmaster> don't.
20090829 21:18:57< wajimba> lol
20090829 21:19:03< wajimba> it was your idea
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20090829 21:19:58< shadowmaster> but not for me, but for Woodmouse.
20090829 21:20:38 * Aethaeryn imagines Woodmouse sitting, staring at a blank IRC screen, waiting for someone to invite him baack in #Wesnoth and apologize.
20090829 21:21:22< shadowmaster> no, he's happy happy joy joy-mode in his own lair
20090829 21:21:38< shadowmaster> or not... well, it doesn't matter anyway
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20090829 21:24:09< Blarumyrran> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/fail-owned-kid-beating-fail1.jpg?w=500&h=375
20090829 21:25:38< Aethaeryn> lol
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20090829 22:17:35< yamokidzu-it> hi
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20090829 22:18:01< yamokidzu-it> does someone known "accuracy era" or similar?
20090829 22:20:51< shadowmaster> what about it?
20090829 22:20:52< Aethaeryn> yamokidzu-it: Wesnoth 1.4
20090829 22:21:03< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/addons/1.4/
20090829 22:21:19< Aethaeryn> hmm, or older
20090829 22:21:27< yamokidzu-it> I don't find it in the add-ons...
20090829 22:21:33< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: wrong. 1.5
20090829 22:21:46< Aethaeryn> oh
20090829 22:21:50< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/addons/1.5/
20090829 22:21:50< shadowmaster> the accuracy era uses engine features introduced with 1.5.0
20090829 22:21:57< yamokidzu-it> so it's only for 1.5
20090829 22:21:59< Aethaeryn> I knew it was top of the list... somewhere
20090829 22:22:20< Aethaeryn> yamokidzu-it: iirc, nothing's "only" for 1.5 since 1.5 directly became 1.6
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20090829 22:22:33< Aethaeryn> It *should* work, though there could have been changes that broke it.
20090829 22:23:04< yamokidzu-it> strange I remember to have seen in the add-ons but now I don't
20090829 22:23:26< Aethaeryn> yamokidzu-it: download it via the web interface for 1.5
20090829 22:23:27< yamokidzu-it> who's the author?
20090829 22:23:37< Aethaeryn> And see if it works
20090829 22:23:48< Aethaeryn> If it does not work, there is a script that *might* patch the outdated parts
20090829 22:23:58< Aethaeryn> http://files.wesnoth.org/addons/trunk/Accuracy_Era.tar.bz2
20090829 22:24:03< Aethaeryn> direct link to the 1.5 version of it
20090829 22:24:11< Aethaeryn> the author was megane, who left iirc
20090829 22:24:19< yamokidzu-it> ok thank you very much
20090829 22:24:46< Aethaeryn> Tell me if it doesn't work, because I can help you with using wmllint.
20090829 22:26:02< yamokidzu-it> when I download a tar/bz/gz etc... file from wesnoth I simply have to unrar and replace them in the wesnoth dir without compiling right?
20090829 22:26:20< Aethaeryn> The same place the other add-ons go.
20090829 22:26:29< Aethaeryn>  /data/campaigns
20090829 22:26:33< Aethaeryn> in your userdata folder
20090829 22:27:06< yamokidzu-it> ok thank you
20090829 22:29:19< Blarumyrran> It didnt change the level of randomness iirc, if you were expecting that
20090829 22:29:40< yamokidzu-it> ahahaha ok thanks I know XD
20090829 22:29:41< Aethaeryn> It changed the chance to hit, didn't it?
20090829 22:30:35< yamokidzu-it> the url with the trunk version it's wrong... maybe I can try from 1.5 addons?
20090829 22:30:45< n3penthe> level of randomness of what ? D:
20090829 22:31:20< yamokidzu-it> of fighting
20090829 22:31:49< n3penthe> :D
20090829 22:32:08< n3penthe> that would be nice actually :D
20090829 22:32:13< yamokidzu-it> I desperately want less randomnes!!! XD
20090829 22:32:19< n3penthe> well yeah but
20090829 22:32:25< n3penthe> it's a bit more complicated than that I guess
20090829 22:32:40< n3penthe> even though it's possible the role of chance and alter it as well 
20090829 22:32:53< n3penthe> directly changing percentages in some rolling process though is not going to do it D:
20090829 22:33:16< yamokidzu-it> It seems to have read your post in the forum, it isn't?
20090829 22:33:29< n3penthe> ?
20090829 22:33:37< yamokidzu-it> sorry for bad english XD
20090829 22:33:39< yamokidzu-it> lol
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20090829 22:33:46< n3penthe> I've never really visited the forums I dont know what you're talking about
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20090829 22:33:47< n3penthe> :D
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20090829 22:33:59< yamokidzu-it> you posted in the forum?
20090829 22:34:19< yamokidzu-it> oh never seen ok
20090829 22:35:32< yamokidzu-it> Aethaeryn: no file in your url, can I get it from here http://www.wesnoth.org/files/addons/1.5/ ?
20090829 22:35:56< Aethaeryn> that was a direct link to the Download thing.
20090829 22:35:58< Aethaeryn> but try it.
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20090829 22:36:11< Aethaeryn> lol
20090829 22:40:15< shadowmaster> no lol
20090829 22:40:36< shadowmaster> don't you notice someone died for spamming?
20090829 22:42:49< shadowmaster> (probably, there are many other reasons that won't be disclosed)
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20090829 22:55:50< yamokidzu-it> excuse me what does svn means?
20090829 22:57:05< shadowmaster> Subversion, a version control system
20090829 22:57:54< shadowmaster> it's what we use for keeping track of changes in mainline
20090829 22:58:08< yamokidzu-it> ok
20090829 22:58:19< yamokidzu-it> and "iirc"?
20090829 23:00:32< shadowmaster> if i remember correctly
20090829 23:01:31< yamokidzu-it> what? XD
20090829 23:01:42< yamokidzu-it> really?
20090829 23:02:16< yamokidzu-it> lol
20090829 23:06:37< shadowmaster> yes, really.
20090829 23:08:33< Aethaeryn> I prefer "if I recall correctly"
20090829 23:08:46< Aethaeryn> No difference in meaning, but this way you could also use it in the Wesnoth context ;)
20090829 23:09:41< Blarumyrran> saying "recall" also allows for much more minimal movement of the mouth
20090829 23:10:48< shadowmaster> everyone knows that if you recall incorrectly you are dead, unless you have lots of gold
20090829 23:11:35< Blarumyrran> Every day hundreds of newbs incorrectly recall without lots of gold
20090829 23:11:40< Aethaeryn> Iirc, scenarios are a lot easier.
20090829 23:11:40< Blarumyrran> they are never heard of again
20090829 23:12:01< Aethaeryn> :O
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20090829 23:14:04< yamokidzu-it> lol
20090829 23:14:38< yamokidzu-it> recall? XD
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20090829 23:19:07< yamokidzu-it> is it the same thing download the add-ons from wesnoth.org or from inside the game? are these the same?
20090829 23:19:41< shadowmaster> it's the same if you make sure you are downloading from the correct location for your version
20090829 23:20:02< shadowmaster> the game interface just saves you the work of unpackaging them
20090829 23:20:14< shadowmaster> (and also warns of missing dependencies)
20090829 23:22:22< yamokidzu-it> ok
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20090829 23:26:25< thespaceinvader> shadowmaster: 
20090829 23:26:52< shadowmaster> I'm here
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20090829 23:29:40< shadowmaster> thespaceinvader: what's up?
20090829 23:29:51< thespaceinvader> oop, sorry
20090829 23:30:02< shadowmaster> I see shikadibot isn't exactly up.
20090829 23:30:11< thespaceinvader> i meant to carry on the conversation i started earlier, but kind of forgot
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20090829 23:33:53< yamokidzu-it> Aethaeryn: I put accuracy era in the campaign folder, I've run wesnoth but there isn't no accuracy era....
20090829 23:34:06< yamokidzu-it> * in wesnoth 1.6.4
20090829 23:34:24< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: it's not a campaign.
20090829 23:34:27< shadowmaster> er, yamokidzu-it 
20090829 23:36:01< Aethaeryn> yamokidzu-it: You probably put it in the wrong campaign folder.
20090829 23:36:15< Aethaeryn> There's a seperate directory for userdata
20090829 23:36:31< shadowmaster> what is your operating system?
20090829 23:37:28< Aethaeryn> Windows XP Service Pack 2
20090829 23:37:31< Aethaeryn> I did a /ctcp version
20090829 23:38:22< yamokidzu-it> ok I know
20090829 23:38:26< Aethaeryn> yamokidzu-it: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_user_data_directory.3F
20090829 23:38:47< Aethaeryn> MyDocuments\My Games\Wesnoth1.6\data\campaigns\
20090829 23:38:50< Aethaeryn> Is where it should be
20090829 23:38:57< yamokidzu-it> I put it in userdata/data/campaigns
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20090829 23:39:19< yamokidzu-it> maybe multiplayer?
20090829 23:39:44< Aethaeryn> yamokidzu-it: There are two different directories. One is the core Wesnoth directory, and one is the userdata directory. The addons go in the userdata directory.
20090829 23:39:51< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_user_data_directory.3F describes how to find it.
20090829 23:40:19< yamokidzu-it> ok so it's all right I see also other eras here...
20090829 23:40:21< Aethaeryn> According to that, for Windows XP and Wesnoth 1.6 it is located in "My Documents\My Games\Wesnoth1.6\data\campaigns"
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20090829 23:41:23< yamokidzu-it> but I swiched the dirs during installation so I think it's right
20090829 23:41:34< Aethaeryn> If you did it to a different directory, then, yeah
20090829 23:41:38< Aethaeryn> Just put it where the add-ons go
20090829 23:42:17< yamokidzu-it> maybe this mod is simply old
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