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20090911 09:42:45< Ivanovic> moin
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20090911 11:09:14-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.6.5 | latest development version: 1.7.5 | public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com
20090911 11:09:14-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [] [Thu Sep 10 13:28:21 2009]
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20090911 12:56:35< rothsdad> hi
20090911 12:57:41< rothsdad> I use arch to play wesnoth. But I cannot change the language to chinese. Help!
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20090911 13:13:34< Soliton> is the option greyed out?
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20090911 13:14:00< rothsdad> Soliton:yes
20090911 13:15:11< Ivanovic> install the respective locale!
20090911 13:15:18< Soliton> indeed.
20090911 13:15:19< Ivanovic> zh_CN for zhongwhen
20090911 13:15:28< Ivanovic> and zh_TW for traditional
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20090911 13:17:27< Cyberthunder> hi, how can i start wesnoth in windowmode from console (ubuntu)
20090911 13:17:55< Soliton> -w
20090911 13:18:19< Soliton> --help shows available parameters.
20090911 13:19:38< Cyberthunder> thx
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20090911 13:31:29< rothsdad> thx
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20090911 20:10:56< Aethaeryn> Anyone here have the power to split threads?
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20090911 20:14:54< fendrin> Aethaeryn: I have.
20090911 20:16:43< Aethaeryn> fendrin: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=383728#p383728
20090911 20:16:50< Aethaeryn> Some serious hijacking starts around here. :P
20090911 20:16:59< Aethaeryn> It might be taken more seriously if it were split and sent to the Ideas forum.
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20090911 20:24:56< fendrin> Aethaeryn: You want the lua discussion to be splitted off?
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20090911 20:31:04< Aethaeryn> fendrin: it kinda went further than LUA, too.
20090911 20:31:22< Aethaeryn> fendrin: but it's actually semi-serious, as opposed to the sarcastic/joke nature of the rest of the thread.
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20090911 20:32:10< Aethaeryn> fendrin: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=383692#p383692 <- maybe around here it started?
20090911 20:34:23< Aethaeryn> fendrin: your call though... 
20090911 20:35:24< fendrin> Aethaeryn: I can't see the thread going off topic. There is discussion going on about what features would be needed for 2.0 and that is quite the purpose of the thread, isn't it?
20090911 20:37:03< Aethaeryn> bah, wireless lag
20090911 20:37:32< Aethaeryn> fendrin: I guess, but the first 3 pages weren't taken that seriously, so I'm not sure if a valid FR could come out of it. idk, though... maybe the thread finally went *on* topic after being off topic for most of its beginning.
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20090911 21:37:58< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=383789#p383789 <- anyone like my Wesnothian vampire story?
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20090911 21:53:12< blarumyrran> why would you want human vampires
20090911 21:53:58< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: humanoid. Vampires could be elves, humans, and even orcs and dwarves!
20090911 21:54:08< Aethaeryn> I'd say the orcish vampires on the Old Continent would be the most interesting.
20090911 21:54:17< blarumyrran> id say that sounds silly
20090911 21:54:26< Aethaeryn> I'd say the name blarumyrran sounds silly ;)
20090911 21:54:36< blarumyrran> vampire dwarfs might be cool i guess
20090911 21:54:50< blarumyrran> i always like evil dwarves even tho my favorite games never have them
20090911 21:55:21< Aethaeryn> The point is that vampires would be created by this kind of malevolent faerie incursion into our world that originates by dabblers or bad elf magicians.
20090911 21:55:44< Aethaeryn> They either drain blood (and spread the problem) or they'd turn INTO faerie fire (painful death).
20090911 21:55:49< Woodmouse> xD
20090911 21:56:16< blarumyrran> i guess it isnt the worst conceivable explanation
20090911 21:56:27< Aethaeryn> You could have vampire anything, really. Vampire is just faerie-infected creatures.
20090911 21:56:29< blarumyrran> but i for one hate any mentions of "faerie realms" & stuff
20090911 21:56:40< Aethaeryn> The result of those who cannot actually harness faeries, unlike the successful elves.
20090911 21:57:12< Aethaeryn> Eh, it's the same universe/dimension/thing that the elves use to become sorceresses and sylphs.
20090911 21:57:27< blarumyrran> yes, and hate those "realms"
20090911 21:57:30< Aethaeryn> It's just the flip side, the harmful side... the side you get when you don't know what you're doing.
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20090911 21:57:37< Aethaeryn> You don't have to call it faerie.
20090911 21:57:47< blarumyrran> its still a stinky "realm
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20090911 21:58:03< Aethaeryn> It's just contacting another world/dimension/whatever that no one understands. Through that contact you could get some extremely destructive spells...
20090911 21:58:15< Aethaeryn> but if you're not an elf, you will just fail and die...
20090911 21:58:18< blarumyrran> yes, and i hate the mentions of suc
20090911 21:58:20< blarumyrran> such*
20090911 21:58:28< Woodmouse> lol, blarumyrran
20090911 21:58:38< Aethaeryn> Eh, I'm not a particular fan of some Wesnoth aspects.
20090911 21:59:03< Aethaeryn> It's just easier to explain vampires through the existing magic systems rather than to invent something entirely new (and by entirely new, I mean derivitive of someone else's interpretation).
20090911 21:59:21< Aethaeryn> Warping existing Wesnoth things actually makes Wesnoth more original.
20090911 21:59:40< blarumyrran> youd be doing a service to manking by never referencing any "realms that no one understands"
20090911 21:59:47< blarumyrran> even if theyre already in some unit descriptions
20090911 21:59:51< blarumyrran> mankind*
20090911 22:00:02< Aethaeryn> Eh, they're understandable.
20090911 22:00:07< blarumyrran> ...
20090911 22:00:14< Aethaeryn> They're just arcane, which means known only by a few.
20090911 22:00:15< blarumyrran> [22:58] <Aethaeryn> It's just contacting another world/dimension/whatever that no one understands. 
20090911 22:00:30< blarumyrran> doesnt change much
20090911 22:00:36< Woodmouse> heh, that's funny
20090911 22:00:41< Woodmouse> I mean, those sentences..
20090911 22:01:02< Aethaeryn> The more you involve it in explaning things, the more understandable it becomes.
20090911 22:01:13< blarumyrran> yes, and the plague spreads
20090911 22:01:15< Aethaeryn> It's just unknown to most *in the game universe*
20090911 22:01:15< blarumyrran> now why would you do that
20090911 22:01:27< Aethaeryn> it can be perfectly explainable to players who encounter it enough.
20090911 22:01:35< blarumyrran> is that a good thing
20090911 22:01:50< Aethaeryn> Depends on how it's presented.
20090911 22:01:51< blarumyrran> i for one think a much more preferrable thing is not having any "alternate dimensions" at all
20090911 22:02:11< blarumyrran> i like it when fantasy has that faery-tale simplicity
20090911 22:02:35< Aethaeryn> I like elaborate.
20090911 22:02:51< blarumyrran> Its not elaborate in a good way
20090911 22:02:55< Aethaeryn> Even if the backstory isn't really referenced much if at all...
20090911 22:03:25< Fab1> anyone here knows wesnoth internals? I recently ported 1.6.x it to MorphOS, and i have a serious issue with background drawing/clearing, it seems ( http://fabportnawak.free.fr/wesnoth-glitch.png ). Previous versions (1.4.x, 1.2.x didn't show that kind of bug). Anyone could point me to the related code so i can debug it? :)
20090911 22:03:33< Fab1> -it
20090911 22:03:49< blarumyrran> ask on #wesnoth-dev
20090911 22:03:54< Fab1> thx
20090911 22:03:55< Aethaeryn> Just having it there for creators to hint at gives a more immersive feel.
20090911 22:03:55< Aethaeryn> I may never have a full use to the royalty family tree in my Thunderstone campaigns, but having it as a personal reference means I can make a universe less flat than mainline.
20090911 22:04:30< blarumyrran> id say having some sort of background universe is a bad thing usually
20090911 22:04:57< blarumyrran> its just plainly good writing if things are defined by their usage instead of imitating real world
20090911 22:05:23< blarumyrran> and adding layers upon layers of unnecessary information
20090911 22:06:37< Aethaeryn> Depends on one's definition of unnecessary.
20090911 22:07:07< blarumyrran> well anything not a chekhovs gun id usually say is unnecessary
20090911 22:07:12< Aethaeryn> For instance, I think having a clear description of what vampires are, even if it were boring to have the game describe it in full detail, would help prevent internal conflicts between campaigns.
20090911 22:07:50< Aethaeryn> I'd argue a Wesnothopedia would be extremely useful for keeping a coherent canon.
20090911 22:07:59< blarumyrran> there are no internal conflicts between campaigns about vampires
20090911 22:08:08< blarumyrran> theres an elvish vampire in trow, and thats it
20090911 22:08:10< blarumyrran> i think
20090911 22:08:27< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090911 22:08:37< Aethaeryn> But explaining it would prevent it from happening, at the very least.
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20090911 22:09:27< Aethaeryn> To change the subject...
20090911 22:09:35< Aethaeryn> 2 out of the 3 Hurt/Heal threads are almost finished.
20090911 22:09:42< blarumyrran> good for you
20090911 22:09:54< Aethaeryn> Personally, I'm sick of them and would like to see this be the end of the fad :P
20090911 22:10:10< blarumyrran> yet you vote
20090911 22:10:13 * blarumyrran sees a contradiction!
20090911 22:10:29< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: I have voted only -2 in the Portraits one to try to get it out of the way faster.
20090911 22:10:34< Aethaeryn> same with the villains one.
20090911 22:10:39< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=383800#p383800
20090911 22:10:55< Aethaeryn> In fact, if two people -2'd Shan Taum, this'd probably end in a day or two.
20090911 22:11:28< blarumyrran> any effort put into dealing with the threads instead makes them livelier, dont you think?
20090911 22:11:53< blarumyrran> as theres an endless list of things you can make such a thread of
20090911 22:13:14< Aethaeryn> Eh, you raise a good point.
20090911 22:13:28< Aethaeryn> I'll probably ignore the next Hurt/Heals unless I have a particularly strong reason to vote for one.
20090911 22:13:47< Aethaeryn> (Hurt/Heal: vampire backstory suggestions ;P)
20090911 22:17:21< blarumyrran> im not fully against weird metaphysics backgrounds in any context
20090911 22:17:38< blarumyrran> but i dont think theyd work out in wesnoth in a good way.
20090911 22:17:47< blarumyrran> But i liked this: http://www.kervan.unito.it/contents/documents/2_2_ALB.pdf
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