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20090914 00:00:00< GeorgeGhoal> Golden Axe? that AgainstTheWave fighting on SMD?
20090914 00:00:14< blarumyrran> whats smd?
20090914 00:00:29< GeorgeGhoal> Sega MegaDrive
20090914 00:00:39< blarumyrran> i played it on dos
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20090914 00:01:06< GeorgeGhoal> DOS? never heard of PC build, i only know it as a SMD hit
20090914 00:01:58< blarumyrran> I hadnt tried any emulators back then, & Ive never had any consoles, so it mustve been dos
20090914 00:03:23< GeorgeGhoal> KB3D, Disciples 3 and other TBS's that were captured by Russia, are like HoMM5
20090914 00:04:06< GeorgeGhoal> i'm from Russia, and i'm just an obsessed gamer
20090914 00:04:06< blarumyrran> disciples3 models dont look as warcrafty as homm5
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20090914 00:04:28< blarumyrran> im from estonia & ive played tbses since a kid too
20090914 00:05:30< GeorgeGhoal> i do not mean styles of models, i mean gameplay/camera view/other such stuff
20090914 00:06:24< GeorgeGhoal> and... models of HoMM5 aren't warcrafty, they are 2001ish, not 2003ish
20090914 00:06:54< blarumyrran> well im sure you know what i mean
20090914 00:07:03< blarumyrran> ridiculous pauldrons
20090914 00:07:17< blarumyrran> ridiculously colorful everything
20090914 00:07:44< GeorgeGhoal> KB3D's textures/models are worse than wc3
20090914 00:08:46< GeorgeGhoal> so if you hate WoW, don't use a 3D-RPG projection in KB3D
20090914 00:09:43< blarumyrran> I havent tried wow so i meant warcraft3
20090914 00:10:22< GeorgeGhoal> WoW is just MMO, sprites/models are almost the same as WC3
20090914 00:10:36< GeorgeGhoal> \0\
20090914 00:10:58< blarumyrran> im sure the models must be some ten times more detailed there
20090914 00:11:21< blarumyrran> having a third of your screen covered with a wc3 model would be hideous
20090914 00:11:22 * GeorgeGhoal played Lineage 2, and hates 3D MMO's since then.
20090914 00:12:15< GeorgeGhoal> for WC3TFT, there are maps that use action-type view, so i saw that junk
20090914 00:12:15< blarumyrran> ive only played runescape
20090914 00:12:51< GeorgeGhoal> runescape is anusish too, in my opinion
20090914 00:13:38< blarumyrran> it was a fad somewhere around 2002 or 03 so i joined
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20090914 00:15:33< GeorgeGhoal> so, i guess, time to make a better MMORPG, than all the buttcutters like WoW or Lineage 2. a MMORTS, based on KB3D or M&B would do
20090914 00:16:22< blarumyrran> it breaks a lot of the strategy part if you cant attack enemies who are just offline
20090914 00:17:46< Aethaeryn> GeorgeGhoal: the trick is actually completing it
20090914 00:17:55< Aethaeryn> There are many good ideas when it comes to games or other computer programs.
20090914 00:18:00< GeorgeGhoal> what if offline player vanishes from the map? (no land-capturing, just RTT battles)?
20090914 00:18:01< Aethaeryn> Often the subpar ideas that get completed do well.
20090914 00:18:21< blarumyrran> what does rtt stand for
20090914 00:18:27< Aethaeryn> real time tactics?
20090914 00:18:32< GeorgeGhoal> yep
20090914 00:19:06< blarumyrran> wouldnt it be exactly that, not letting you attack people who choose to go offline
20090914 00:19:41< blarumyrran> "My lord, theres a vast hostile army on our yard!"
20090914 00:19:46< blarumyrran> "No worries, ill go offline"
20090914 00:19:57< blarumyrran> and thats that
20090914 00:21:06< GeorgeGhoal> player vanishes from the map, and the opponent in battle gets a message "opponent disconnected", stats of that player are set like before the battle
20090914 00:21:43< GeorgeGhoal> i mean, the stats of a player who gets a message about opponent's disconnection
20090914 00:21:58< blarumyrran> by "vanishes" you mean temporarily until next login of course?
20090914 00:22:17< GeorgeGhoal> yes
20090914 00:22:45< blarumyrran> i guess it might work without capturable land objects
20090914 00:23:07< blarumyrran> as you said
20090914 00:23:22< GeorgeGhoal> or factional AI's to control capturables
20090914 00:23:33< GeorgeGhoal> like it is done in M&B
20090914 00:23:33< blarumyrran> augh
20090914 00:23:56< GeorgeGhoal> faction gets capturables, not the player
20090914 00:24:02< blarumyrran> ah.
20090914 00:25:41< GeorgeGhoal> "Red just captured a lvl4 orcish village", "blue just captured a lvl2 goblin village"
20090914 00:26:22< GeorgeGhoal> so, the capturables' control system must be like in M&B, if capturables are available
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20090914 00:32:29< GeorgeGhoal> i'm not a programmer, so if a MMORTS with good use of capturables will appear, it, most likely, will be a M&B-like game (or even under Mount&Blade franchise.
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20090914 10:21:24< Ivanovic> moin
20090914 10:21:58< KnThrak> God morgon ;)
20090914 10:26:28< ancestral> bore da
20090914 10:30:16< KnThrak> This is absolute beginner's talk, I know, but is there a way or a plugin to play Wesnoth play-by-email?
20090914 10:33:18< ancestral> I don't think there is
20090914 10:33:23< ancestral> Would be incredibly awesome, though
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20090914 10:39:09< KnThrak> Ok, ty. And hihi, good to know I'm not the only one who remembers PBEM. ^_^
20090914 10:39:11< zookeeper> no, there isn't. the best you can do is e-mail a savefile around and have everyone play their turn. probably works somewhat ok if you play without fog.
20090914 10:40:33< zookeeper> but you can also just play on the server, save the game and then resume it again later.
20090914 10:43:12< KnThrak> Yeah, it's no problem playing multiplayer, was just curious whether one can do it.
20090914 10:44:16< MikeJB> The savefile would be doable.
20090914 10:44:31< MikeJB> You'd probably need some third party program that encrypts and decrypts it so you can't hack it?
20090914 10:44:36< MikeJB> Still would be cheatable
20090914 10:47:34< ancestral> But if it's a friendly game that's all that matters
20090914 10:47:59< ancestral> Or
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20090914 10:48:30< ancestral> If the game could be stored on the server, and the PBEM sent instructions to it…
20090914 10:48:31< ancestral> Hehe
20090914 10:49:04< MikeJB> interesting
20090914 10:49:06< MikeJB> a PBEM server
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20090914 11:55:34< n3penthe> :D
20090914 11:56:15< ancestral> Somebody's happy
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20090914 12:04:16< yamokidzu-it> hi
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20090914 12:23:06< n3penthe> hello
20090914 12:23:06< n3penthe> =)
20090914 12:24:23< n3penthe> just spent 200turns clearing the cave in northern rebirth the pursuit scenario :D
20090914 12:38:23< fendrin> n3penthe: Is the turn limit that big in that scenario?
20090914 12:38:39< n3penthe> it has no turn limit D:
20090914 12:38:51< fendrin> I see.
20090914 12:39:21< Woodmouse> wow
20090914 12:39:22< n3penthe> tho I suppose it would've taken only 100 turns or so if I would've done most things simultaneously D:
20090914 12:41:42< n3penthe> the key to that campaign is really the 1st scenario
20090914 12:41:49< n3penthe> last time I tried playing it on nightmare I thought it's impossible
20090914 12:41:56< n3penthe> but this time I played the scenario1 really well 
20090914 12:42:06< n3penthe> which resulted to that there was lots of gold for scenario 2.. and so on 
20090914 12:42:07< n3penthe> D:
20090914 12:42:34< n3penthe> well not impossible but at least frustrating
20090914 12:42:43< n3penthe> so many monsters D:
20090914 12:43:27< n3penthe> in the next scenario there's 18 turns time to defeat 3 enemy leaders while it took 6 turnjs just to get all veteran units recruited XD
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20090914 12:51:09 * fendrin must admin that I started Northern Rebirth two times and never managed to win the first scenario on medium.
20090914 12:55:32< n3penthe> :D
20090914 12:55:54< n3penthe> you just flood the west side with peasants and take villages from blue orc, green orc will win blue orc due to the economy
20090914 12:56:05< n3penthe> you will also sneak a peasant in the northeast part where teh troll cave is
20090914 12:56:08< n3penthe> and unleash the trolls
20090914 12:56:12< n3penthe> try lure them to te green player
20090914 12:56:18< n3penthe> so geren wins blue, and the trolls attack the green
20090914 12:56:30< n3penthe> you'll do your best with teh level0 units to hold as many vilages as possible
20090914 12:56:41< n3penthe> and scenario ends when you get to kill the green leader basicly since green will kill the bleu one
20090914 12:57:22< n3penthe> D:
20090914 12:59:17< fendrin> Maybe I activated the troll not early enough.
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20090914 12:59:50< n3penthe> yea 
20090914 13:00:03< n3penthe> anyway it's not really possible to just fight it out with the peasants staightforward
20090914 13:00:17< n3penthe> so when the enemy wolf riders attack your peasants, just run for more villages
20090914 13:00:17< n3penthe> :D
20090914 13:00:36< n3penthe> west side is the best since then the units in the green vs blue clash wont get aggroed by your peasants
20090914 13:00:44< n3penthe> and it will also control the outcome of the fight
20090914 13:02:25< n3penthe> anyway if u end up with like 100 gold to the 2nd scenario you cant really finish it as well as you should 
20090914 13:02:50< n3penthe> so you need like at least 200 to have a chance at getting enough gold to 3rd/4th scenario
20090914 13:06:43< Woodmouse> hmm, btw, does anyone know... Can 1.4.7 be downloaded anymore?
20090914 13:06:55< Woodmouse> Because I have one old addon that I could update to 1.7
20090914 13:07:02< Woodmouse> *1.7.x
20090914 13:07:18< Woodmouse> And I don't have a back up of the addon
20090914 13:07:51< Woodmouse> it's in the 1.4.x addon server... and I haven't found a place where I can download 1.4.7
20090914 13:09:27< zookeeper> google sourceforge wesnoth
20090914 13:13:03< Woodmouse> thanks :)
20090914 13:15:31< Woodmouse> LOL, my SX addon thing has been downloaded more than my other addons... :O
20090914 13:15:40< Woodmouse> I don't remember if I fixed the bug in it... lol
20090914 13:16:20< Woodmouse> (the bug that people must have GE to play the other map)
20090914 13:16:55< Woodmouse> heh, Desert War is downloaded 4048 times... :O
20090914 13:17:28< Woodmouse> The Zones is only downloaded 3551 times.. That's weird, I mean, it was my first addon lololol. xD
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20090914 13:21:58< Woodmouse> I again had the thing that starts with i and ends with s; in the middle, there is "nternet problem".
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20090914 13:26:53< GeorgeGhoal> so when will 1.8 be released?
20090914 13:27:08< Woodmouse> when there's time to it?
20090914 13:27:12< Woodmouse> I dunno
20090914 13:27:14< Woodmouse> xD
20090914 13:27:47< GeorgeGhoal> #_#
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20090914 13:28:15< Woodmouse> hey! #_# is a channel! :O
20090914 13:28:17< Woodmouse> I joined there lol
20090914 13:28:53< GeorgeGhoal> i use it as a smiley
20090914 13:29:02< Woodmouse> lol
20090914 13:29:06< Woodmouse> heh, I spam in #_#
20090914 13:29:08< Woodmouse> xD
20090914 13:29:15< Woodmouse> doing Kirby dance
20090914 13:29:39< Woodmouse> (v-.-)> (v-.-v) <(-.-v)
20090914 13:29:41< Woodmouse> xD
20090914 13:30:13< GeorgeGhoal> #_# - question + anger
20090914 13:30:46< Woodmouse> ok
20090914 13:31:40< GeorgeGhoal> when i join a game, it's development slows down
20090914 13:32:29< GeorgeGhoal> so you can blacklist me now, so i can't login to game server
20090914 13:32:57< Woodmouse> :o
20090914 13:33:24< GeorgeGhoal> :@ _ :@
20090914 13:34:05< Woodmouse> @_@ reminds me of one guy in one forum...
20090914 13:34:18< Woodmouse> because he was the first one to use that so I saw it lol
20090914 13:35:14< GeorgeGhoal> i'm an obsessed gamer, who found Wesnoth, looking for Fire Emblem clones, lol
20090914 13:35:24< Woodmouse> lol!
20090914 13:35:49< GeorgeGhoal> Fire Emblem Gaiden was awesome
20090914 13:37:02< GeorgeGhoal> Master of Monsters has a baaad thing in it, that bad thing caused the author of Wesnoth to create Wesnoth
20090914 13:37:03< Woodmouse> I found Wesnoth because my friend told me about it. She told me about Wesnoth a looong time ago already, but I wasn't interested in it. Then she forced me to download 1.4.2 (I think it was 1.4.2) and... Wesnoth became my favourite game.
20090914 13:37:24< Woodmouse> lol
20090914 13:37:42< GeorgeGhoal> \0\, x|>
20090914 13:37:48< Woodmouse> :o ?
20090914 13:40:08< GeorgeGhoal> at times, i use weird forms of smileys
20090914 13:42:19< GeorgeGhoal> like dc:(=[]
20090914 13:42:36< Woodmouse> lol
20090914 13:42:39< Woodmouse> (:/
20090914 13:42:52< Woodmouse> he's bald. xD
20090914 13:43:17< Woodmouse> 
20090914 13:45:32< GeorgeGhoal> so, can a good MMORTS appear within next 1-2 years?
20090914 13:48:26< GeorgeGhoal> capturable land objects must be owned by factions, not players.
20090914 13:51:12< GeorgeGhoal> Mount&Blade is a good basis for a MMORTS, except the battle system must be replaced with tactical one (currently, it has action battle system)
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20090914 14:07:34< Woodmouse> brb
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20090914 14:08:27< Woodmouse> back
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20090914 14:12:39< Woodmouse> WWHAHAHAAAAAH!!?? :O
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20090914 14:22:59< GeorgeGhoal> so, will Wesnoth be sold on CD's to get money?
20090914 14:23:30< Woodmouse> No.
20090914 14:23:35< Woodmouse> I think...
20090914 14:23:51< Woodmouse> -_______-"
20090914 14:24:02< n3penthe> it's opensource and as far as I know has always been
20090914 14:24:14< Woodmouse> yeah
20090914 14:24:30< GeorgeGhoal> Google might abandon Wesnoth at any moment. Wesnoth needs a way to keep going - maybe, masterserver will go paid? or Premium Membership on forums?
20090914 14:24:48< n3penthe> and who are you to come to them with these amazing revelations
20090914 14:25:14< Woodmouse> sorry to say this, George, but fuck off.
20090914 14:25:16< Woodmouse> I'm sorry...
20090914 14:25:18< Woodmouse>  But...
20090914 14:25:23< Woodmouse> You seem so... Dunno.
20090914 14:25:36< GeorgeGhoal> the crisis can do ANYTHING
20090914 14:25:52< n3penthe> not really
20090914 14:26:21< GeorgeGhoal> and nobody knows what will happen in a hour, not even a month
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20090914 14:26:57< n3penthe> I'm quite sure you dont know what will happen in an hour
20090914 14:27:08< n3penthe> XD
20090914 14:27:37< GeorgeGhoal> at any moment, Google can just shut down
20090914 14:27:50< n3penthe> yes they're almost bankrupt
20090914 14:28:03< n3penthe> they're probably in need of some financial analysts why dont you scribble down an application 
20090914 14:28:25< n3penthe> tell them htey can shut down at any moment and give them some solutions like going premium membership on googling
20090914 14:28:47< Woodmouse> ....
20090914 14:29:09< GeorgeGhoal> paid Search Adjustment
20090914 14:29:18< n3penthe> amazing you're packed with them
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20090914 14:30:43< GeorgeGhoal> they are planning paid adjustment of search, but it'll take a lot of search machine maintenance updates, as well as their browser and toolbars to be reworked
20090914 14:30:54< n3penthe> oh so this wonderful idea wasnt yours
20090914 14:31:00< n3penthe> im sorry maybe you'll come up with something
20090914 14:32:28< n3penthe> :D
20090914 14:33:23< GeorgeGhoal> maybe... Google will create a paid version of Ubuntu with more WinXP similarity, GoogleOS?
20090914 14:33:50< n3penthe> Maybe, maybe not
20090914 14:33:56< GeorgeGhoal> GoogleOS 0.01b, lol
20090914 14:35:05< n3penthe> so what are you some google-follower
20090914 14:35:18< n3penthe> ?
20090914 14:35:18< n3penthe> :D
20090914 14:35:31< GeorgeGhoal> i hate Google's free browser, Chrome
20090914 14:36:23< GeorgeGhoal> what makes me interested in Google is that Google search line plus Summer of Code give Wesnoth $ for masterserver
20090914 14:37:45< n3penthe> yes so it says on the forums 
20090914 14:38:00< GeorgeGhoal> so, no Google = no Wesnoth servers (game, addons, etc)
20090914 14:38:12< n3penthe> well that's your conclusion
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20090914 14:38:24< n3penthe> and as such, not really worth anything 
20090914 14:39:04< GeorgeGhoal> i didn't even read the forums,  i just looked at main page - google Summer of Code in news, google line...
20090914 14:39:45< n3penthe> oh that's great you managed to read it just from the mainpage
20090914 14:40:03< GeorgeGhoal> i don't have an IRC client, really - i use that thing in Opera
20090914 14:40:41< n3penthe> which is an irc client
20090914 14:41:31< GeorgeGhoal> it is not as complex as other IRC tools
20090914 14:41:56< GeorgeGhoal> most of those are for $
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20090914 14:51:54< GeorgeGhoal> is there any multiplayer King's Bounty-like game?
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20090914 15:10:21< n3penthe> damn this settling disputes mission is impossible
20090914 15:10:21< n3penthe> :D
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20090914 15:14:20< n3penthe> btw despite the setup you dont need to kill the lich 
20090914 15:15:02< n3penthe> D:
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20090914 15:33:08< n3penthe> has anyone ever finished thisXD
20090914 15:34:21< Soliton> yes.
20090914 15:34:23< GeorgeGhoal> Äøàó øû ûçóö
20090914 15:34:28< GeorgeGhoal> damn
20090914 15:34:33< GeorgeGhoal> russian kb
20090914 15:34:35< GeorgeGhoal> sht
20090914 15:34:47< n3penthe> How ? D:
20090914 15:34:51< n3penthe> soliton
20090914 15:35:31< Soliton> kill everything.
20090914 15:35:55< n3penthe> With what+ D:
20090914 15:36:03< n3penthe> I mean
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20090914 15:36:10< n3penthe> 100 GP you can at best recruit 7 veterans
20090914 15:36:11< GeorgeGhoal> Life is spew
20090914 15:36:18< n3penthe> :D
20090914 15:36:32< n3penthe> while opponent recruits liek 40 units
20090914 15:36:47< GeorgeGhoal> 40?
20090914 15:36:53< GeorgeGhoal> 41
20090914 15:36:56< Soliton> i don't think i had just 100 gold.
20090914 15:37:11< n3penthe> why do I have 100 gold ? D:
20090914 15:37:19< n3penthe> I had 3800 at the end of the previous scenario
20090914 15:37:22< n3penthe> so 100 seems a little low 
20090914 15:37:25< n3penthe> but I thought it was part of the scenario
20090914 15:37:28< n3penthe> but now that im trying to finish this 
20090914 15:37:32< n3penthe> it looks a little impossible :D
20090914 15:37:59< GeorgeGhoal> 100 g = 14 bats and + 2 g
20090914 15:38:16< n3penthe> bats cant be recruited here x)
20090914 15:38:31< Soliton> ah yeah, i think i did have 100 gold as well but you always get a lot of loyals auto recalled.
20090914 15:38:46< n3penthe> yea I've them all too
20090914 15:38:54< n3penthe> all the loyal units i mean
20090914 15:39:08< GeorgeGhoal> =-= i play for necro or drakes, usually
20090914 15:39:25< n3penthe> or maybe im missing one or two if I've not noticed some units being loyal D:
20090914 15:40:01< n3penthe> hmm
20090914 15:40:01< Soliton> i think i did control the ally since stalrag just really wanted to take a village next to an enemy on turn one...
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20090914 15:40:14< n3penthe> D:
20090914 15:40:15< GeorgeGhoal> i play Wesnoth fullscreen, so i don't switch windows
20090914 15:40:20< n3penthe> you can control stalrag by 
20090914 15:40:22< n3penthe> moving your mages turn1
20090914 15:40:39< n3penthe> you can decide a) stalrag gets killed b) stalrag weakens enemy unit c) stalrag stays in place and is annoing in general
20090914 15:40:39< n3penthe> XD
20090914 15:40:42< Soliton> do you have the ghost and your loyal peasant?
20090914 15:40:58< n3penthe> the loyal peasant yes  hmm looks like I lost the ghost in last mission i didnt notice
20090914 15:41:01< n3penthe> I should probably reload D:
20090914 15:41:23< n3penthe> darn when did i ever lose it
20090914 15:41:24< GeorgeGhoal> are you in a campaign?
20090914 15:41:28< n3penthe> or does that get autorecalled here?
20090914 15:41:40< n3penthe> maybe iwas smoking while waiting AI move and forgot about him
20090914 15:41:41< GeorgeGhoal> i don't play storylines usually
20090914 15:41:50< Soliton> well, my replay doesn't work since it's like 6 weeks old.
20090914 15:41:50< n3penthe> hmmm
20090914 15:41:56< n3penthe> anyway I think i figured a way to finish this
20090914 15:42:05< n3penthe> though it's not exactly
20090914 15:42:08< n3penthe> the way it's supposedto be done
20090914 15:42:08< n3penthe> XD
20090914 15:42:17< n3penthe> I've a Dwarf Lord with hte rod of justice near amla
20090914 15:42:22< n3penthe> so AI will attack it a lot less 
20090914 15:42:29< n3penthe> I'l lwalk him to the lich keep and kill the lich 
20090914 15:42:29< n3penthe> XD
20090914 15:43:17< Soliton> how quick is that dwarf? i always give the rod to tallin.
20090914 15:43:40< n3penthe> I never do that coz
20090914 15:43:45< n3penthe> tallin neets to sit at base and recruit anyway
20090914 15:43:49< n3penthe> it's hard to level him 
20090914 15:43:55< n3penthe> better give it to units which can use it better
20090914 15:44:09< n3penthe> it's 6 moves
20090914 15:44:13< n3penthe> it's one of the loyal dwarves
20090914 15:44:17< n3penthe> amazing unit in general
20090914 15:44:17< n3penthe> :D
20090914 15:44:32< GeorgeGhoal> yeah, leaders must stay in back, esp if they are needed to hire
20090914 15:44:46< Soliton> well, as tallin you get an 8mp level 4 grand marshal.
20090914 15:44:57< n3penthe> yea 
20090914 15:44:59< n3penthe> however
20090914 15:45:05< n3penthe> I did not know he's type would change
20090914 15:45:07< n3penthe> when i took the rod 
20090914 15:45:18< n3penthe> as he was only a spearman at that point only in hte next scenario he changed to sergeant
20090914 15:45:36< Soliton> a spearman? what has he been doing?
20090914 15:45:41< n3penthe> what do you think ? :D
20090914 15:45:53< GeorgeGhoal> try leveling an expensive unit to a leader
20090914 15:45:57< Soliton> twiddling thumbs, i guess.
20090914 15:45:59< n3penthe> it's just a spearman why would I level him juts coz he has the crown
20090914 15:46:43< GeorgeGhoal> spearman with an anus on his head
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20090914 15:47:19< n3penthe> it's the other units that you win with anyway D:
20090914 15:47:28< n3penthe> though ofc u can use it i'd rather use some ohter unit
20090914 15:48:27< Soliton> he's as good as any other loyal unit.
20090914 15:48:37< GeorgeGhoal> i play for drakes, with axeman as leader
20090914 15:48:39< n3penthe> with one defect
20090914 15:48:43< Soliton> infact much better as a level 4 leader.
20090914 15:48:47< n3penthe> he has to be in the keep if you want to recruit
20090914 15:49:03< n3penthe> well as i said before i didnt know his type would change mid-campaign
20090914 15:49:05< Soliton> well, what scenario do you have to recruit that long for?
20090914 15:49:25< n3penthe> well where orcs attack after the 
20090914 15:49:28< n3penthe> the pursuit scenario
20090914 15:49:30< n3penthe> I was going for the 
20090914 15:49:38< n3penthe> kill all enemies for the bonus
20090914 15:49:41< n3penthe> so I recruited all veterans
20090914 15:49:44< n3penthe> which took 6 turns 
20090914 15:49:49< n3penthe> but 
20090914 15:49:58< n3penthe> despite that it seemed the 18 turns wasnt enough to kill him
20090914 15:50:03< GeorgeGhoal> veterans are buttholes
20090914 15:50:15< n3penthe> well, at least not when there was a trigger that summoned some 40 goblin knights 
20090914 15:50:16< n3penthe> :D
20090914 15:50:49< Soliton> yes, you can't really beat that level in time.
20090914 15:51:03< GeorgeGhoal> goblin knights? \ :D /
20090914 15:51:14< Soliton> you can get pretty close if you know exactly how it works though.
20090914 15:52:02< n3penthe> yea
20090914 15:52:07< n3penthe> It would probably be possible to avoid hte trigger
20090914 15:52:14< Soliton> and in 1.6 you might get lucky that rakshas comes out of his keep at the right turn.
20090914 15:52:28< n3penthe> yea
20090914 15:52:32< n3penthe> well you can bait teh enemy leaders 
20090914 15:52:46< n3penthe> works extremely well in the infested caves scenario 
20090914 15:52:47< n3penthe> :D
20090914 15:52:47< Soliton> no, you can't avoid the trigger but you can trigger it in the way it is most convenient to you.
20090914 15:54:01< Soliton> you wouldn't want to miss all the XP anyway, right? :-P
20090914 15:54:27< n3penthe> well 
20090914 15:54:36< n3penthe> I decided I cant kill the leader
20090914 15:54:43< n3penthe> so I didnt bother with the goblin knights
20090914 15:55:10< n3penthe> which would've been very difficult to kill anyway considering their numbers
20090914 15:56:18< n3penthe> anyway the amla rod guy worked
20090914 15:56:21< n3penthe> so i can kill the lich 
20090914 15:57:38< n3penthe> enemy sitll has 27 units remaining though 
20090914 15:57:44< n3penthe> I dont think I could've made it in time wihtout that method
20090914 15:57:45< n3penthe> :D
20090914 16:03:07< n3penthe> hmm though I think I'll redo the orc invasion I want that spectre back X(
20090914 16:04:34 * GeorgeGhoal wants more good TBS's
20090914 16:04:38< n3penthe> You also played on nightmare too btw?
20090914 16:04:38< n3penthe> D:
20090914 16:04:50< Soliton> of course.
20090914 16:05:14< GeorgeGhoal> d4mn 5h17
20090914 16:06:16< GeorgeGhoal> Wesnoth will update in january, HoMM series probably ended, KB3D uses dumb protection...
20090914 16:06:25< GeorgeGhoal> i have nothing good to play!
20090914 16:07:26< elias> what happens to Wesnoth in january?
20090914 16:07:26< GeorgeGhoal> what to play?
20090914 16:07:47< GeorgeGhoal> in January, 1.8 will come out.
20090914 16:08:07< GeorgeGhoal> on current progress rate
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20090914 16:11:29< Ken_Oh> hmmm, so if you define a [variables] container in [unit_type], it gets cleared. other containers work though...
20090914 16:13:41< GeorgeGhoal> i'm bad at programming, so i didn't even bother looking at WML
20090914 16:16:31< Soliton> "this field stores user-variables associated with the unit"
20090914 16:18:21< GeorgeGhoal> the best i ever managed to work is a masked HTML hyperlink (<a href=Wesnoth>Wesnoth</a>)
20090914 16:18:25< zookeeper> Ken_Oh, well, probably the same as [status] or [modifications] or any other tag that's used for single units.
20090914 16:19:24< GeorgeGhoal> how do i make the highlighted reply in IRC?
20090914 16:19:54< GeorgeGhoal> what /command is it?
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20090914 16:42:18-GeorgeGhoal:#wesnoth- i'm angry
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20090914 17:02:10< Woodmouse> back
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20090914 19:47:55< Woodmouse> o.o
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20090914 19:50:11< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: ?
20090914 19:50:26< Woodmouse> I said "o.o" because Blueblaze was here for so little time
20090914 19:50:31< Woodmouse> I said it in #music too, lol
20090914 19:50:50< Aethaeryn> and...?
20090914 19:51:04< Woodmouse> weell, I just wanted to say so. xD
20090914 19:51:22< Aethaeryn> You'll find later in life ethat that line of reasoning gets you into trouble.
20090914 19:51:50< Woodmouse> I know. xD
20090914 19:52:20< Aethaeryn> Damn, I'm getting old.
20090914 19:52:36< Woodmouse> how so?
20090914 19:52:51< blarumyrran> progressively!
20090914 19:52:53< Aethaeryn> I'm lecturing people younger than myself
20090914 19:53:10< Aethaeryn> Alo, a month or so ago I actually woke up with back pain... that's a first.
20090914 19:53:24< Aethaeryn> *Also
20090914 19:53:33< Aethaeryn> For some reason, this keyboard isn't as good as it used to be.
20090914 19:53:40< Ken_Oh> i'm getting exponentially ol
20090914 19:53:41< Ken_Oh> d
20090914 19:54:28< Aethaeryn> Damn juviniles with their "rock and roll" music and their wild lifestyle.
20090914 19:54:43< Aethaeryn> hooligans, all of them.
20090914 19:54:52< Woodmouse> Ok... :o Heh, I'm still young... THOUGH I get exhausted of running the same way a 70-yeard does...
20090914 19:54:55< blarumyrran> I broke a car sign off today
20090914 19:55:04< Woodmouse> blarumyrran: :D
20090914 19:55:07< Woodmouse> xD
20090914 19:56:17< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: Troublemaker punk...
20090914 19:56:22< Aethaeryn> (Who is probably a few years older than me :P)
20090914 19:56:27< blarumyrran> No realli, i was driving to uni on my bicycle, and wasnt really paying attention to the road & a parked car was on the way & i could avoid bigger contact but i hit the sign with my leg & it mustve been very weakly attached or something as it broke off
20090914 19:56:31< blarumyrran> less than a year, i think
20090914 19:56:45< Aethaeryn> A road sign?
20090914 19:56:49< Aethaeryn> They do that on purpose.
20090914 19:56:52< blarumyrran> no, the car license sign
20090914 19:57:00< Aethaeryn> Oh.
20090914 19:57:24< blarumyrran> but noone was around so i just went by without taking any blame :)
20090914 19:57:33< Aethaeryn> Hit and run :P
20090914 19:57:36< blarumyrran> mhm
20090914 19:57:55< Aethaeryn> I prefer the classical sense of the term.
20090914 19:58:06< Aethaeryn> Cavalry archers shooting at infantry who can't catch up :P
20090914 19:59:29< zookeeper> blarumyrran, you really don't tend to pay attention when you're moving about, do you?
20090914 20:00:41< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: I take it the naga fighter is your favorite? always time to heal it
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20090914 20:08:30< Woodmouse> hey, I have a question, which isn't about Wesnoth, but about art xD
20090914 20:08:42< Woodmouse> is there an effect in photoshop that is like the relief, but so it makes it stay the same color?
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20090914 20:16:01< blarumyrran> zookeeper, not really
20090914 20:18:05< Woodmouse> Someone must know...
20090914 20:18:07< Woodmouse> really...
20090914 20:18:34< Woodmouse> http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss6/Woodmouse-/MONALISADARK.jpg
20090914 20:18:40< Woodmouse> ^heh, I edited that of Mona Lisa^
20090914 20:19:26< blarumyrran> I bet it took some awesome skills to click that apply-filter button
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20090914 20:20:11< Woodmouse> lol
20090914 20:20:36< Woodmouse> I edited it otherwise too... MANY EFFECTS!! And it is darker and stuff..
20090914 20:20:38< Woodmouse> xD
20090914 20:20:47< Woodmouse> http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss6/Woodmouse-/mannerheim-monalisa.jpg
20090914 20:20:54< Woodmouse> ^that's earlierly edited one^
20090914 20:21:03< Woodmouse> and it's more than just effects, etc
20090914 20:21:43< Woodmouse> oh, btw, Blarumyrran, are you japanese? (sorry for the dumb question) ^^;
20090914 20:27:51< blarumyrran> Not exactly
20090914 20:27:56< blarumyrran> why?
20090914 20:28:15< Woodmouse> I just thought so, because...
20090914 20:28:17< Woodmouse> dunno
20090914 20:28:26< Woodmouse> you seem so... japanesese
20090914 20:28:30< Woodmouse> *japanese
20090914 20:28:32< Woodmouse> lol
20090914 20:28:44< blarumyrran> You seem like an eskimo
20090914 20:29:06< Woodmouse> lol! I'm not an esmiko
20090914 20:29:10< Woodmouse> *eskimo
20090914 20:29:21< Woodmouse> YOURE FINNISH!!? O.O
20090914 20:34:02< Woodmouse> I... I know your dark secret, Blarumyrran... You're the singer of Baphovomit... I know you are...
20090914 20:34:33< Woodmouse> (it's a great band, btw)
20090914 20:34:37< blarumyrran> does not sound familiar
20090914 20:34:42< Woodmouse> lol
20090914 20:34:52< Woodmouse> IT WAS A JOKE!!! (you kne)
20090914 20:34:54< Woodmouse> *kneww
20090914 20:34:57< Woodmouse> *knew
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20090914 20:36:22< Woodmouse> *dead silence, no one dares to talk anymore, not now when Ancestral has joined*
20090914 20:36:25< Woodmouse> ...he left
20090914 20:36:27< Woodmouse> lol
20090914 20:36:37< Woodmouse> ...so my joke didn't work...
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20090914 20:56:56< grzywacz> No, everyone has been sucked into a black hole of stupidity. They are now behind the event horizon and their messages can't reach you.
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20090914 21:14:24< Woodmouse> I'm going now
20090914 21:14:31< Woodmouse> bye
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20090914 21:16:38< grzywacz> finally
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