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20090927 00:00:04< GeorgeGhoal> well, the _only_ game of the complexity i ask is "Star Wars: Empire At War", then - but it's too Warhammer-like with all the checkpoints in land battle
20090927 00:00:16< GeorgeGhoal> and it's RTS
20090927 00:00:41< noy> ...
20090927 00:01:16< noy> bbiab
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20090927 00:01:45< GeorgeGhoal> so? just go and buy an average donut game like all the HoMM clones around? that's a waste of $
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20090927 00:06:21< GeorgeGhoal> so?
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20090927 00:06:48< shadowmaster> can't this guy read quit messages?
20090927 00:07:00< molgrum> what's the best DotA-style addon to get from the addon server? i can't find DotW or DotG when searching for them :/
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20090927 06:02:15< Dizzy_Desu> hey, I have a question about making factions 
20090927 06:02:26< Dizzy_Desu> I was wondering if anyone could help me
20090927 06:02:45< Dizzy_Desu> and the forum is less than "live"
20090927 06:03:32< Dizzy_Desu> I got to here in the wiki under New Eras and Factions
20090927 06:03:33< Dizzy_Desu> >Locate multiplayer.cfg in the game's data directory. This file sets up the basic multiplayer rules for the entire game.
20090927 06:03:48< Dizzy_Desu> but I don't have a multiplayer.cfg
20090927 06:03:57< Dizzy_Desu> or anything like it
20090927 06:06:57< Dizzy_Desu> so, any ideas?
20090927 06:07:26< Soliton> no idea what file is meant. what is the problem anyway?
20090927 06:07:49< Dizzy_Desu> well, I'm not sure how to use them without that file
20090927 06:08:05< Dizzy_Desu> maybe the wiki is outdated, for a different version 
20090927 06:09:50< Soliton> look at some era addon. it's not a good idea to modify game files.
20090927 06:10:52< Dizzy_Desu> I'm not sure what that is
20090927 06:10:55< Dizzy_Desu> and I have backups
20090927 06:11:14< Dizzy_Desu> I have the stable, the latest developmental, and 1.7.3 that I've modded the crap out of so far
20090927 06:13:15< Soliton> well, the mainline factions are defined in data/multiplayer/factions/.
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20090927 06:15:35< Dizzy_Desu> and I put my faction into it
20090927 06:15:36< Dizzy_Desu> I think
20090927 06:17:16< Soliton> if you insist.
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20090927 18:03:40 * Dennislp3 slaps you all with a fish
20090927 18:04:29< Dennislp3> are there any RPG add ons for 1.7.5?
20090927 18:04:55< Dennislp3> or 1.6.5
20090927 18:04:59< Dennislp3> cause i cant find any
20090927 18:05:04< Dennislp3> i think I may be retarded
20090927 18:05:07< Dennislp3> >.>
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20090927 18:32:18< Dizzy_Desu> it says something about the White Mage is missing a closing frame tag
20090927 18:32:39< Dennislp3> that sounds like an issue....one I havent seen yet....
20090927 18:33:04< Dizzy_Desu> plus, I checked through the entire config script, and there weren't any closing tags missing
20090927 18:33:16< Dizzy_Desu> or in any of the units for the faction I made 
20090927 18:33:34< Dizzy_Desu> it doesn't do it if I take out my faction
20090927 18:33:41< Dizzy_Desu> so I know it's not the white mage 
20090927 18:33:50< Dizzy_Desu> but that's all it points too
20090927 18:34:05< Dennislp3> have you modified the default white mage or made one from scratch?
20090927 18:34:15< Dizzy_Desu> I haven't touched it
20090927 18:35:00< Dennislp3> any chance that maybe you accidentally added or deleted even just one character?
20090927 18:35:05< Dennislp3> in the file
20090927 18:35:31< Soliton> post actual error messages, preferably from stderr.
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20090927 18:37:30< Dizzy_Desu> I'm screen capping the error message right now
20090927 18:39:07< Dizzy_Desu> this is the error message
20090927 18:39:43< Dizzy_Desu> and I'm positive I haven't altered the white mage in any way
20090927 18:40:01< Soliton> are you on windows?
20090927 18:40:06< Dennislp3> have you tried to use the original white mage in game or anything
20090927 18:40:19< Dennislp3> or maybe even repasting the white mage files?
20090927 18:40:20< Dizzy_Desu> it only shows that error when I put my faction in the game
20090927 18:40:24< Dizzy_Desu> and I'm on Windows XP
20090927 18:40:33< Soliton> post stderr.txt
20090927 18:40:49< Dizzy_Desu> I used a backup file to make sure I didn't mess the white mage up
20090927 18:40:54< Soliton> sometimes the error in the GUI is misleading.
20090927 18:40:57< Dizzy_Desu> and alright, let me get it
20090927 18:41:01< Dizzy_Desu> oh, okay
20090927 18:41:12< Soliton> though it is fixed in 1.6.5 i think.
20090927 18:41:40< Dizzy_Desu> oh?
20090927 18:41:51< Dizzy_Desu> I use 1.7.3 as my test version 
20090927 18:41:59< Dizzy_Desu> and what do you want me to do with the file?
20090927 18:42:04< Dizzy_Desu> post the contents?
20090927 18:42:07< Dizzy_Desu> upload it?
20090927 18:42:16< Soliton> yes, on a pastebin or wherever.
20090927 18:42:24< Soliton> see the topic.
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20090927 18:53:39< Dizzy_Desu> so, any ideas?
20090927 18:54:27< Dennislp3> i dont have any
20090927 18:54:40< Soliton> i felt no disturbance in the force when you posted stderr.txt somewhere on the internet.
20090927 18:54:58< Soliton> so if you did a link might come in handy.
20090927 18:57:55< Dizzy_Desu> huh?
20090927 18:57:59< Dizzy_Desu> [09:46]	<Dizzy_Desu>	http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d4af844c3
20090927 18:58:00< Dizzy_Desu> this one?
20090927 19:00:07< Dennislp3> are there any RPG addons for 1.7.5 or 1.6.5
20090927 19:00:48< mra2> hmm
20090927 19:01:03< Soliton> Dennislp3: try wesband.
20090927 19:01:28< Soliton> Dizzy_Desu: you didn't post that here..
20090927 19:01:45< Dennislp3> ok thanks
20090927 19:02:07< zookeeper> Dizzy_Desu, looks more like "error config: Quoted string not terminated at C:/Program\ Files/Battle\ for\ Wesnoth\ 1.7.2/data/core/units/horde/Horde\ Grunt.cfg:98"
20090927 19:02:15< mra2> grrr is not active anymore is he?
20090927 19:02:19< zookeeper> maybe the latter is just a symptom of the former error
20090927 19:02:36< Soliton> yeah, it is.
20090927 19:03:02< Soliton> mra2: not on irc, no.
20090927 19:03:13< mra2> what was the channel where you get all the wesnoth main chat in irc?
20090927 19:03:59< Soliton> #wesnoth-mp-lobby-1.6
20090927 19:04:12< Dizzy_Desu> okay
20090927 19:04:18< Dizzy_Desu> how do I fix the quote string problem?
20090927 19:04:24< Dizzy_Desu> I'm not sure what that means
20090927 19:04:33< Soliton> "close the quote.
20090927 19:04:40< mra2> k thx Soliton 
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20090927 19:07:33< Dizzy_Desu> and that's it?
20090927 19:07:40< Dizzy_Desu> it couldn't boot just because of a quote?
20090927 19:08:32< zookeeper> yes
20090927 19:08:35< Soliton> would you like it to guess where you meant to end the quote?
20090927 19:09:01< Dennislp3> see i knew there was one character off in the file
20090927 19:11:51< Dizzy_Desu> no, I got it
20090927 19:11:59< Dizzy_Desu> ctrl+f ftw
20090927 19:13:01< Dennislp3> lol
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20090927 21:19:04< GeorgeGhoal> Hey, ev1!
20090927 21:19:44< GeorgeGhoal> i want to find RPG maps for AoW SM, then play them via net
20090927 21:19:58< Shadow_Master> I guess this is not the correct place for that.
20090927 21:20:21< GeorgeGhoal> but this is the place i know of AoW from
20090927 21:21:09< GeorgeGhoal> i was told of AoW in this IRC channel, when i was talking about Wesnoth hybrids
20090927 21:22:31 * GeorgeGhoal knows of Wesnoth since looking for Fire Emblem clones
20090927 21:24:53< GeorgeGhoal> someone in a MMO "Furcadia" (www.furcadia.com) told me of Wesnoth - so, blame Furcadia community for all the junk i came in with... another Furcadia player told me of Fire Emblem a few weeks before that
20090927 21:25:34< Shadow_Master> I didn't need to know the history of your life.
20090927 21:26:18< GeorgeGhoal> that was just the history of why i am here
20090927 21:27:44< GeorgeGhoal> so, if not Furcadia - i'd not know of Wesnoth, if not Opera's IRC - i'd not chat here
20090927 21:28:44< GeorgeGhoal> is there an IRC channel of AoW on freenode?
20090927 21:32:23< Shadow_Master> /msg alis help list
20090927 21:32:32< Shadow_Master> that's the channel search service
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20090927 21:40:52< GeorgeGhoal> no succh channel
20090927 21:40:57< GeorgeGhoal> such *
20090927 21:41:11< GeorgeGhoal> where can i find AoW IRC, then?
20090927 21:41:37< Shadow_Master> no on this network I guess.
20090927 21:41:38< Shadow_Master> *not
20090927 21:42:10< GeorgeGhoal>  / :@ \
20090927 21:44:17< GeorgeGhoal> well, what strategic tactical game must i prefer? Wesnoth, Fallout Tactics, Fire Emblem
20090927 21:44:30< GeorgeGhoal> strategic/tactical *
20090927 21:44:54< GeorgeGhoal> this kb is a blastbutt
20090927 21:49:04< Shadow_Master> prefer Wesnoth. This is the Wesnot User Channel. We will always prefer Wesnoth.
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20090927 21:51:58< GeorgeGhoal> i just can't decide - Fire Emblem: Unique elements, Wesnoth - extensible, Fallout Tactics - a failed Commandos clone with optional turn-based system
20090927 21:53:24< GeorgeGhoal> Wesnoth is also the only of them that i can play in mp
20090927 21:54:09< GeorgeGhoal> will Wesnoth have commercial software for faster addon development?
20090927 21:54:21< VurtualRuler98> Commercial?
20090927 21:54:22< VurtualRuler98> Wesnoth?
20090927 21:54:35< VurtualRuler98> Those can't appear on the same lines of text without nuclear explosions.
20090927 21:55:32< GeorgeGhoal> yes, not everyone can script a map to have teleports/whatever
20090927 21:56:03< VurtualRuler98> Not too hard.
20090927 21:56:21< VurtualRuler98> Go find out the code for teleport, look at it, write something that won't break anything.
20090927 21:57:01< GeorgeGhoal> teleports, music, movement of non-player units... not everyone can understand a markup language
20090927 22:01:01< GeorgeGhoal> [when=newturn]move=naga1|to=13:13[/move]
20090927 22:01:24< GeorgeGhoal> [when=newturn]move=naga1|to=13:13[/when] *
20090927 22:02:14< GeorgeGhoal> naga1 - naga unit 1 (tries to capture a village to harden the game)
20090927 22:03:14< Shadow_Master> that's not WML at least
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20090927 22:04:48< GeorgeGhoal> not WML - sure, but that was sorta... WML-to-kick
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20090927 22:05:14< Shadow_Master> I don't know that's that supposed to mean.
20090927 22:06:02< GeorgeGhoal> mean that markup lng's are rather hard for a retarded gamer like me - so i posted random markup-style junk
20090927 22:06:55< GeorgeGhoal> have you read my post with an example of Furcadia's DS? Furcadia uses tree-like script lng
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20090927 22:07:15< Shadow_Master> okay, then refrain from complaining about WML (or writing mock ups here) :>
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20090927 22:11:33< Soliton> if you can write logic in some formalized way you're just too lazy to lookup the real syntax to make it work in WML.
20090927 22:11:33< GeorgeGhoal> so, uninstall RT/TB strategies and MMO's and install GTA?
20090927 22:12:53< GeorgeGhoal> what, then? switch to a non-IRC browser and uninstall RT/TB strategies, install GTA1/2 and play it via LAN with my bro?
20090927 22:13:36< GeorgeGhoal> my bro would reject GTA - he thinks top-down GTA's suck
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20090927 22:22:08 * GeorgeGhoal , an obsessed gamer without any skills, wants to find more good TB/ST strategy game - most of the games i played are _cl0nes_
20090927 22:22:56< Dizzy_Desu> for some reason it's not displaying a certain unit 
20090927 22:23:16 * GeorgeGhoal spews with fireballs - ANGER :@ !!!
20090927 22:23:18< Dizzy_Desu> the sprite is missing and it's leveled forms crash the game
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20090927 22:23:30< Shadow_Master> Dizzy_Desu: which sprite?
20090927 22:23:45< Dizzy_Desu> it's a sprite I made for my new faction 
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20090927 22:23:58< Dizzy_Desu> the rest of them work more or less fine
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20090927 22:24:04< Shadow_Master> any chance I can find the faction/era somewhere?
20090927 22:24:16< Dizzy_Desu> kinda doubt it, I just made it today 
20090927 22:24:28< Shadow_Master> also check your standard error (if using Windows, check the <wesnoth installation path>/stderr.txt)
20090927 22:24:51< Shadow_Master> it should probably mention something related to that image (like "cannot open image path/file.png" or such)
20090927 22:25:18< Dizzy_Desu> yeah, it says cannot open/find image 
20090927 22:25:44< Dizzy_Desu> how do I make it open the image?
20090927 22:25:49< Dizzy_Desu> it's .png format
20090927 22:25:55< Dizzy_Desu> 72x72 pixels 
20090927 22:25:58< Shadow_Master> what is the path you gave in WML? is it really matching the actual path of the file? (which should be relative to some images/ directory)
20090927 22:26:17< Dizzy_Desu> images/horde/ogre.png
20090927 22:27:06< Dizzy_Desu> I directed it the same way I did with the rest of them
20090927 22:27:14< Dizzy_Desu> this is the only one that has a problem 
20090927 22:27:22< GeorgeGhoal> read what i PMed
20090927 22:27:31< Shadow_Master> Dizzy_Desu: it should be horde/ogre.png
20090927 22:27:39< Dizzy_Desu> oh/
20090927 22:27:40< Dizzy_Desu> ?
20090927 22:27:52< Shadow_Master> all image= paths are relative to an images/ directory, so specifying it explictly makes Wesnoth look for images/images/... somewhere
20090927 22:28:11< Dizzy_Desu> oh iwait
20090927 22:28:18< Dizzy_Desu> units/horde/ogre.png
20090927 22:28:24< Dizzy_Desu> is what I have them listed 
20090927 22:28:54< GeorgeGhoal> well, soft-dev, esp in modular soft, is a junkbox
20090927 22:29:06< Shadow_Master> and you used a [binary_path] in your era's WML to tell wesnoth where to find those files, Dizzy_Desu 
20090927 22:29:11< Shadow_Master> ?
20090927 22:29:19< Dizzy_Desu> eh?
20090927 22:29:29< Dizzy_Desu>     image="units/horde/ogre-stand.png"
20090927 22:29:33< Shadow_Master> wesnoth needs to know where to find those images
20090927 22:29:36< Dizzy_Desu> is what I listed 
20090927 22:30:03< GeorgeGhoal> Well, Dizzy isn't a content maker - so am i - so why try if you are not a decent programmer?
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20090927 22:30:15< Dizzy_Desu> I changed the name to see if that was what was conflicting it
20090927 22:30:20< Dizzy_Desu> didn't work
20090927 22:30:23< ldlework_> Hey are there networked cooperative campaigns?
20090927 22:30:42< Dizzy_Desu> I'm designing a game right now
20090927 22:30:52< Shadow_Master> Dizzy_Desu: well, do other sprites of yours work?
20090927 22:30:58< Dizzy_Desu> they do
20090927 22:31:18< Dizzy_Desu> all but the ogre sprites and their leveled sprites 
20090927 22:31:42< ldlework_> Does anyone know if there are multiplayer campaigns for this game? I tried searching google and it *sounds* like there might be but I can't find anything discreet.
20090927 22:32:05< Shadow_Master> ldlework_: you can connect to the add-ons server via the game interface and sort the list by add-on type on 1.6
20090927 22:32:07< Soliton> you could consider wesband one.
20090927 22:32:26< ldlework_> So no
20090927 22:32:28< Soliton> and world of conquest though they're not really story driven.
20090927 22:32:48< Soliton> and then there are a couple story driven ones but i have no idea how well they work.
20090927 22:33:12< Shadow_Master> Dizzy_Desu: any chance of uploading your files to see what could be wrong? (maybe by forum PM if you have a forum account; mine is shadowmaster)
20090927 22:33:46< Dizzy_Desu> this is the only time I've had a problem, probably because I'm making an entire faction 
20090927 22:33:50< ldlework_> Too bad there arent any, my girlfriend was contingent on whether or not we could play cooperatively through any of the campaigns. I imagine this is something requested from time to time but not enough for like a coop expansion
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20090927 22:33:52< ldlework_> Ahwell
20090927 22:34:18< Soliton> do you have trouble reading what i said?
20090927 22:34:55< ldlework_> Sounds like there's no actual multplayer camapaigns, multiplayer maps that try to be from what you said
20090927 22:34:59< Dizzy_Desu> should I .rar them?
20090927 22:35:04< Shadow_Master> Dizzy_Desu: yes, please.
20090927 22:35:10< Dizzy_Desu> okay
20090927 22:35:18< Dizzy_Desu> how do you want me to rar them?
20090927 22:35:25 * Soliton shrugs.
20090927 22:35:29< Dizzy_Desu> just the sprites and the .cfgs?
20090927 22:35:38< Shadow_Master> Dizzy_Desu: the entire directory for that era
20090927 22:35:38< Dizzy_Desu> or is there any particular order I should?
20090927 22:35:49< Dizzy_Desu> okay
20090927 22:36:14< Soliton> the important part is just where in the path your image is and the image line in the config.
20090927 22:37:20< zookeeper> and having a [binary_path] the same way all eras with custom units do.
20090927 22:38:03< Soliton> yeah, though i'd expect that to be correct given that other images work.
20090927 22:38:50< Soliton> and i think he's actually modifying main game content.
20090927 22:39:13< Dizzy_Desu> let's see...
20090927 22:39:23< Dizzy_Desu> I've never really used these forums before
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20090927 22:49:25< ldlework_> What is a Multiplayer Era?
20090927 22:49:52< Soliton> a collection of factions you can play in a mp game.
20090927 22:50:56< ldlework_> a collection of factions?
20090927 22:51:01< ldlework_> Like... unitsets?
20090927 22:51:23< Shadow_Master> Dizzy_Desu: um, right, you are editing them in the game's core directory
20090927 22:51:52< Soliton> a faction is a collection of leaders and a recruit list.
20090927 22:52:49< Shadow_Master> Dizzy_Desu: it'd be better if you used a existing era as skeleton. For the issue at hand, the file is actually named Orge-*.png, not ogre-*.png
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20090927 22:53:12< Shadow_Master> hence wesnoth cannot find it (note the typo)
20090927 22:54:04< Dizzy_Desu> oh?
20090927 22:54:14< Dizzy_Desu> so the upper/lowercase was throwing it off?
20090927 22:54:29< Shadow_Master> no, the typo: "Orge" versus "ogre" :)
20090927 22:54:31< Soliton> no, the mixing of g and r.
20090927 22:54:52< Soliton> wesnoth is pretty picky, huh?
20090927 22:55:44< Dizzy_Desu> I see what I did wrong now...
20090927 22:56:07< Soliton> if you want things to work on correctly on other platforms you better get the capitalization right as well though.
20090927 22:56:09< Shadow_Master> by the way, you might want to check http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/BuildingFactions and http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Create in general
20090927 22:56:42< Shadow_Master> especially since you need to get your era and factions in the correct place if you want to distribute them in the future
20090927 22:56:50< Dizzy_Desu> yeah, I see
20090927 22:56:57< Dizzy_Desu> I was probably too tired to spell it right the first time
20090927 22:57:38< Dizzy_Desu> yeah, I was looking over the factions section in the wiki, but it was talking about things I didn't have
20090927 22:57:44< Dizzy_Desu> like the multiplayer.cfg
20090927 22:58:04< Dizzy_Desu> well, most of them are just for me and a few friends use 
20090927 22:58:28< Dizzy_Desu> I'm not a pixel artist so I don't want to go around distributing copyrighted images 
20090927 22:58:57< ldlework_> Dizzy_Desu, are you benefiting financially?
20090927 22:59:56< Shadow_Master> Dizzy_Desu: you can always reuse existing wesnoth artwork and "frankenstein" it, since all is supposed to be redistributable and modifiable under the terms of the GPL
20090927 22:59:58< Soliton> so you're friends will have to modify the main game all over the place as well.
20090927 23:00:18< Soliton> instead of just putting things nicely in their userdata dir.
20090927 23:00:39< Dizzy_Desu> Shadow_Master: okay
20090927 23:00:48< Dizzy_Desu> Soliton: yeah, I update them a lot
20090927 23:01:25< Dizzy_Desu> we use the stable version, the latest developmental version, and 1.7.3 that I change around a lot
20090927 23:01:39< Dizzy_Desu> for normal games we use the stable version 
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20090927 23:08:37< Dizzy_Desu> well, never mind
20090927 23:08:40< Dizzy_Desu> I can figure that out
20090927 23:08:58< Dizzy_Desu> I do have a question about the priority mechanics in the game though 
20090927 23:09:31< Dizzy_Desu> like, which comes first if a unit is affected by both leadership and backstab?
20090927 23:09:43< Dizzy_Desu> does leadership affect first, then the backstab extra damage?
20090927 23:11:04< Soliton> doesn't matter.
20090927 23:11:20< Soliton> multiplication is commutativ.
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