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20090928 01:13:17< catfud> anyone play this game on an Eee PC?
20090928 01:14:38< Shadow_Master> Some people have tried it before. Are you having technical difficulties with this?
20090928 01:14:42< Shadow_Master> *it
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20090928 01:18:05< catfud> well
20090928 01:18:36< catfud> i found out about it on the eee pc download website
20090928 01:18:58< catfud> but it wont let me play online or campeign
20090928 01:19:09< Shadow_Master> what does it say when you try?
20090928 01:19:31< catfud> so i went to the official website and i think im playing a really old version but i wasnt sure which  version i need for my eee pc
20090928 01:19:45< catfud> well when i click campeign it doesnt do anything
20090928 01:20:15< Shadow_Master> may be you didn't download the campaigns package from the distributor (or wesnoth-all, which is usually a pointer to all wesnoth packages)
20090928 01:20:41< Shadow_Master> and for multiplayer: versions 1.4.x, 1.6.x should work AFAIK. No idea about other versions.
20090928 01:20:57< Shadow_Master> (unless your network is blocking any of the required ports, that is)
20090928 01:21:01< catfud> and if i try multiplyer it says illigal cahracter in compression input
20090928 01:21:22< Shadow_Master> what version is it?
20090928 01:21:39< catfud> well i just installed it from the eee pc site 
20090928 01:21:41< Shadow_Master> (in the bottom left corner of the title screen)
20090928 01:22:08< catfud> not sure what version all i know is that on the eeepc site it says it haasnt been modified since dec 08
20090928 01:22:14< catfud> ok
20090928 01:22:17< catfud> ill look
20090928 01:22:42< catfud> 1.2
20090928 01:22:46< catfud> is what im running
20090928 01:23:38< catfud> so which version should i download from the official site? 
20090928 01:23:44< catfud> i wasnt quite sure
20090928 01:24:17< Shadow_Master> we aren't serving MP server connections for 1.2 apparently
20090928 01:24:44< Shadow_Master> so, 1.4 or 1.6 only.
20090928 01:24:54< Shadow_Master> (or 1.7.x, of course)
20090928 01:25:52< catfud> which distro should i get though?
20090928 01:26:08< catfud> i know the one i downloaded from the eee pc website ended with a .deb
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20090928 01:26:45< catfud> unless im thinking wrong
20090928 01:26:49< catfud> about it
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20090928 01:26:57< Shadow_Master> your platform uses a Ubuntu-based operating system I believe?
20090928 01:27:03< catfud> im a linux newb :(
20090928 01:27:07< Shadow_Master> or, Debian-based, I mean.
20090928 01:27:14< catfud> thats what i was thinking
20090928 01:27:35< catfud>  i dont know for sure cuz the os info on the system says eeepc os
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20090928 01:28:19< Shadow_Master> I don't know how software distribution works for those rare eeepc platforms though
20090928 01:29:36< Shadow_Master> if it was a Debian-based platform I'd tell you either to upgrade the system, or get the build dependencies for Wesnoth and compile it for your system
20090928 01:29:41< Shadow_Master> *pure
20090928 01:34:35< catfud> well thank you for the help
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20090928 01:37:28< Soliton> if you trust random people on the internet you could try it with these packages: http://www.to-st.de/download/linux/eeepc/00-pool/main/w/wesnoth/
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20090928 01:47:59< catfud> i think ill try that out 
20090928 01:48:01< catfud> thanks
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20090928 02:06:58< Dizzy_Desu> oh, another question 
20090928 02:07:16< Dizzy_Desu> is there a way to change the movement cost of the units in their .cfg files?
20090928 02:07:45< Dizzy_Desu> like how [resistance] changes resistances and [defense] changes defence 
20090928 02:07:49< Dizzy_Desu> something in that manor 
20090928 02:08:00< Dizzy_Desu> I tried [move] but to no avail 
20090928 02:08:18< Soliton> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/UnitTypeWML
20090928 02:10:04< Dizzy_Desu> thanks
20090928 02:11:06< Dizzy_Desu> I keep seeing these unknown command errors 
20090928 02:11:10< Dizzy_Desu> [17:13]	[ERROR]	Unknown command “RIVMSG”.
20090928 02:11:17< Dizzy_Desu> [16:56]	[ERROR]	Unknown command “ING”.
20090928 02:11:19< Dizzy_Desu> [16:59]	[ERROR]	Unknown command “HO”.
20090928 02:11:21< Dizzy_Desu> that just pop up
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20090928 02:11:31< Dizzy_Desu> does anyone else have these?
20090928 02:11:36< Dizzy_Desu> or have a way to make them stop?
20090928 02:11:52< VurtualRuler98> It could be chatzilla-related.
20090928 02:11:57< Dizzy_Desu> ah
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20090928 02:42:18< catfud> soliton are you there?
20090928 02:42:42 * Soliton nods.
20090928 02:47:57< catfud> i downloaded those file you linked and trid]ed to install them, however  i recieved some errors about there not being 3 different items
20090928 02:48:30< catfud> sec and ill give you what its saying
20090928 02:53:47< catfud> ok
20090928 02:53:49< catfud> wierd
20090928 02:53:55< catfud> now it acted like it installed
20090928 02:54:02< catfud> but it wont let me run it
20090928 02:54:12< catfud> i think i might just give up onj tthis   haha
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20090928 05:45:33< Dizzy_Desu> like when someone is benefiting from leadership
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20090928 06:00:47< Dizzy_Desu> no dice?
20090928 06:02:43< Soliton> you said one sentence and that wasn't a question. maybe you want to check your client or something.
20090928 06:04:00< Dizzy_Desu> hmm
20090928 06:04:07< Dizzy_Desu> [20:48]	<Dizzy_Desu>	oh, is it possible to put a sound in during the leadership ability?
20090928 06:04:09< Dizzy_Desu> [20:48]	<Dizzy_Desu>	like when someone is benefiting from leadership
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20090928 06:07:22< Soliton> sure, put a sound in the leading animation.
20090928 06:07:30< Dizzy_Desu> ah, I see
20090928 06:07:51< Dizzy_Desu> I just checked on the Berserker's .cfg 
20090928 06:07:53< Dizzy_Desu> that's cool
20090928 06:07:54< Dizzy_Desu> thanks
20090928 06:53:11< Dizzy_Desu> I tried to replicate it but it taunted with every attack
20090928 06:53:16< Dizzy_Desu> really annoying 
20090928 06:53:21< Dizzy_Desu> is there any way to fix this?
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20090928 08:59:26< Heckle> Is this where I can ask about my Technical issues?
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20090928 09:00:38< mordocai> Heckle: You could ask here, may get better results in #wesnoth-dev... i'd use both personally.
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20090928 09:01:09< Heckle> Alright, I'll ask here, And if I can't get an answer, I'll go to the dev channel
20090928 09:02:21< Heckle> When ever I host a multiplayer game, Online or not, The computer takes around 15 second per recruit to recruit all his units. During that time my game freezes up and I can't do anything.
20090928 09:02:39< Heckle> Though if I leave the game to pass the host to another person, The computer works fine, Why is this?
20090928 09:03:45< Heckle> Leave the game and come back, Of course
20090928 09:04:28< mordocai> hmm... do you have low processing power on that pc by any chance?
20090928 09:04:40< mordocai> or memory
20090928 09:05:27< Heckle> It is a laptop, And i constantly get popups telling me that my virtual memory is low. After this i look in the task manager and see that wesnoth takes 400k+ Memory
20090928 09:05:44< mordocai> Okay, windows i assume? xp or vista?
20090928 09:06:52< Heckle> Xp
20090928 09:07:14< Heckle> I can run most games fine on this laptop, I don't think it's slow
20090928 09:07:29< mordocai> Okay, go here: http://www.delete-computer-history.com/increase-virtual-memory.html. You will need to have a bit of extra hard drive space to do this though. Just double the size or so and see if it helps.
20090928 09:08:08< mordocai> Yeah, i don't know enough about wesnoth to know for sure if it will fix it... but it should help your computer in any case.
20090928 09:08:30< Heckle> Thanks, I'll try it
20090928 09:08:48< mordocai> No problem, i should be around for a couple hours.. let me know if it helps.
20090928 09:15:40< Heckle> Hmm, I did everything it said, But it didn't prompt me to restart, Is this good or bad?
20090928 09:15:46< Heckle> And should i restart anyways?
20090928 09:16:14< mordocai> Well, i would recommend restarting since it's windows...
20090928 09:16:24< Heckle> Okay
20090928 09:16:29< Heckle> I'll be back then
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20090928 09:31:02< Heckle> Well, I made a game, Put only me and the computer
20090928 09:31:21< Heckle> And i'm watching wesnoth float between 78 and 99 CPU usage
20090928 09:31:35< Heckle> And steadily climbing in memory usage
20090928 09:31:42< Heckle> Currently at 128k
20090928 09:31:54< Heckle> And it didn't help at all :(
20090928 09:32:21< mordocai> Hmm....
20090928 09:32:38< mordocai> If wesnoth is using that much... what other games have you played on that laptop?
20090928 09:32:55< Heckle> Fate, Maple story
20090928 09:33:00< Heckle> Diablo 2
20090928 09:33:09< Heckle> Most of the games run with little hinderance
20090928 09:33:43< Heckle> The memory usage seems to go up, Also, When wesnoth is minimized
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20090928 09:34:39< mordocai> Does it do this if there is no computer player? For instance, if you just play a game against yourself? And how about campaigns?
20090928 09:35:24< Heckle> Campaigns work fine
20090928 09:35:53< mordocai> What version of wesnoth are you using?
20090928 09:35:58< Heckle> And it only does this when I host a multiplayer game with a computer sitting in a player spot
20090928 09:36:00< Heckle> 1.6.4
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20090928 09:36:30< Heckle> Or in what normally might be a player spot
20090928 09:37:07< mordocai> Well, i really don't know what the problem is. I would think that if it was the AI using too much CPU, then it would also affect the campaigns...
20090928 09:37:50< Heckle> Maybe campaigns use a different AI script, Do you think me having too many addons would be part of the problem?
20090928 09:38:18< Heckle> If the place where the AI gets his recruiting script or something is bogged down with many other files, Maybe it's having a hard time getting to it
20090928 09:39:05< mordocai> Possible, i'd have to take a look at the AI code to tell you for sure... i'm running a 3 player computer against computer game right now on 1.7.5 and don't see much of a problem... using linux though. I'll try 1.6.5 real quick.
20090928 09:39:38< Heckle> Can you play multiplayer games on 1.7.5?
20090928 09:39:45< mordocai> Yeah
20090928 09:39:57< mordocai> Just a few more bugs than 1.6.5
20090928 09:40:18< Heckle> Ah, I might try switching to that for a while
20090928 09:40:45< Heckle> I tried running a local game in windowed mode on wesnoth
20090928 09:40:55< mordocai> Okay, i have a quad-core 2.6 ghz CPu... on linux. But with 4 computers fighting each other, i'm sitting at around 5-10 percent CPU and 154 MB memory
20090928 09:40:57< Heckle> It jumped up to 375k memory usage.
20090928 09:41:49< Heckle> I'm going to try backing up, Then deleting all my add-ons
20090928 09:41:52< mordocai> How much memory do you have on that laptop?
20090928 09:41:57< Heckle> And see if that produces any chance
20090928 09:42:00< Heckle> Change*
20090928 09:42:24< Heckle> The task manager says something about 274M/2441M
20090928 09:42:58< Heckle> Hey, Should i delete all these cache files in wesnoth?
20090928 09:43:56< mordocai> Umm... that's technically supposed to speed it up. But it shouldn't hurt, might as well try it.
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20090928 09:46:11< Heckle> Well i had like 381 cache files.
20090928 09:46:19< Heckle> I don't think i really needed them all
20090928 09:46:30< mordocai> Yeah, it'll remake a new cache when you start it up again
20090928 09:47:43< Heckle> Well
20090928 09:47:50< Heckle> Either it was all the cache files
20090928 09:47:57< Heckle> Or it was too many add-ons
20090928 09:47:59< Heckle> Works fine now
20090928 09:48:13< Heckle> Or maybe it might have been a certain add-on
20090928 09:48:13< Heckle> Who knows
20090928 09:48:31< mordocai> Well... i'm a perfectionist but i'd add in the add-ons one by one lol...
20090928 09:48:43< Heckle> Heh
20090928 09:48:57< Heckle> I've had quite a few troubles with my add-ons it seems
20090928 09:49:06< Heckle> Every once in a while after i'd download another add-on
20090928 09:49:15< Heckle> My orocia files would get corrupted
20090928 09:49:22< Heckle> Then if i download a different add-on
20090928 09:49:27< Heckle> They would instantly fix themselves
20090928 09:50:13< mordocai> Weird... i haven't heard of stuff like that before happening. 
20090928 09:51:14< Heckle> Yeah, I've had alot of weird stuff happen to my wesnoth
20090928 09:51:39< Heckle> Well, Time to put my add-ons back in and see if it was the massive amount of cache files that were the hinderance
20090928 09:52:03< mordocai> yeah, that sounds like it might be... because all the cache is probably loaded directly into memory
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20090928 09:53:18< Heckle> I can't wait to get this fixed, I really want to play games without needing either local or another player
20090928 09:53:32< Ivanovic> moin
20090928 09:53:41< mordocai> Morning
20090928 09:54:01< Heckle> Nyah, It's 3 AM here
20090928 09:54:21< mordocai> same here lol
20090928 09:54:58< Heckle> About how many add-ons do you have?
20090928 09:55:33< mordocai> I don't know... not many. Probably 15 or less
20090928 09:55:43< Heckle> 15 is not many? Hah.
20090928 09:55:53< Heckle> I probably have about that many, And i think of it as alot
20090928 09:56:07< mordocai> Oh, i think of it against the whole of 100s lol...
20090928 09:56:14< Heckle> Heh
20090928 09:56:29< Heckle> But i doubt anyone has more than 15 of the add-ons
20090928 09:56:39< Heckle> Except for me back in 1.4.5
20090928 09:56:42< Heckle> I horded them.
20090928 09:56:50< Heckle> Hoarded*
20090928 09:56:52< mordocai> So i now have some ai code relocated... now i need to figure out what actually needs to be included in the new file...
20090928 09:57:30< Heckle> Speaking of that, Is there any way to fix AI for User made eras?
20090928 09:57:50< Heckle> All too often do the computers recruit only 1 type of unit
20090928 09:58:17< mordocai> Well, i know you can tweak it some... but i have no idea how. I'm just doing something very easy from http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/EasyCoding#A_small_rename
20090928 09:58:47< Heckle> Though I suppose a question like that would go in #dev
20090928 09:59:42< mordocai> Yeah
20090928 10:04:17< Heckle> So, Do you play 1.6.X much?
20090928 10:04:51< mordocai> Well, right now i'm really busy. This is the first time i've had any free time in months... so basically no. Lol
20090928 10:05:48< Heckle> Heh
20090928 10:14:29< Heckle> Gahh, It wasn't the cache, It was the add-ons
20090928 10:14:43< Heckle> Now i gotta strip my add-ons down to find the culprit
20090928 10:14:51< mordocai> figures :(
20090928 10:14:53< Heckle> Or forever have to pass around the leader to play games right
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