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20091013 00:59:34< alink> hi
20091013 01:00:06< alink> I will probably be away few days
20091013 01:00:58< alink> boucman: keep in mind that halo are verry different because the cache and redraw underlying surface
20091013 01:01:25< alink> which mean that they can "undo" some sunset darkening
20091013 01:02:27< alink> one possible explanation of the bug is that somehow we change loccation before doing a unrender(), even if i don't how that could happen
20091013 01:03:12< alink> however it's certainly something about a missing or incorrect unrender()
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20091013 01:03:48< alink> anyway, gn
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20091013 01:08:42< Arc> well I got wesnoth rendering everything using Pango now
20091013 01:08:48< Arc> though a lot of cleanup left
20091013 01:09:15< Arc> goodbye sdl_ttf, goodbye fribidi
20091013 01:17:26< CIA-13> ivanovic * r39262 /trunk/po/ (3 files in 3 dirs): updated Shavian translation
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20091013 02:01:25< loonycyborg> Arc: Not really. Pango has its own version of fribidi in its source tree :P
20091013 02:01:42< loonycyborg> That makes me wonder why pango doesn't have this problem..
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20091013 02:04:14< loonycyborg> pango's internal fribidi is fribidi's fork afaict.
20091013 02:11:45< Arc> heh
20091013 02:11:57< Arc> well however it works, it does work
20091013 02:12:11< Arc> from here we only have the windows rendering issue to go
20091013 02:12:47< Arc> my code uses utf8 and 32-bit wide unicode only, it never goes through wchar or ucs2, but there may be other areas where this is a problem
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20091013 02:31:46< Arc> Ivanovic: bug in the tutorial, while delfador's name as a unit is translated, the label under him on the map remains untranslated
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20091013 03:02:10< CIA-13> shadowmaster * r39263 /trunk/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/1_Tutorial.cfg: 
20091013 03:02:10< CIA-13> Delfador's name as used in the map label is now translatable.
20091013 03:02:10< CIA-13> This does not add new translatable strings; it reuses an existing one
20091013 03:02:10< CIA-13> instead.
20091013 03:02:10< CIA-13> (Reported by Arc.)
20091013 03:02:14< shadowmaster> Arc, Ivanovic : ^
20091013 03:02:29< Arc> thanks shadowmaster 
20091013 03:03:42< Arc> http://media.apogean.org/img/wesnoth-4.png
20091013 03:03:51< Arc> http://media.apogean.org/img/wesnoth-6.png
20091013 03:04:09< Arc> that's with 100% pango rendering, though there's still many rendering bugs.
20091013 03:04:44< Arc> also im going to have to add more space between the glyphs in the Andagii font, even i have difficulty reading them at 12pt
20091013 03:12:32< Arc> or 9pt?
20091013 03:12:39< Arc> its small and too close together in any case
20091013 03:13:01< Arc> with it 30% fewer glyphs it can afford to be a bit wider anyway
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20091013 04:20:54 * shadowmaster just got this http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/da611158
20091013 04:21:20< shadowmaster> no idea what it's referring to with "too many files". I am sure that commit involves a single file 
20091013 04:24:16< CIA-13> shadowmaster * r39264 /branches/1.6/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/1_Tutorial.cfg: 
20091013 04:24:16< CIA-13> Delfador's name as used in the map label is now translatable.
20091013 04:24:16< CIA-13> This does not add new translatable strings; it reuses an existing one
20091013 04:24:16< CIA-13> instead.
20091013 04:24:16< CIA-13> (Backported from trunk, r39263.)
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20091013 04:24:36< shadowmaster> (yes, I am aware that there might be no more 1.6 releases)
20091013 04:25:18< shadowmaster> "1.7.7 planned for Wednesday?" um.
20091013 04:25:52< shadowmaster> I guess I'm the only one who believes we are not in the best conditions for releasing.
20091013 04:28:01< shadowmaster> 102 bugs is too much. :/
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20091013 05:01:41< Arc> shadowmaster: yea or release while rendering isnt working correctly
20091013 05:02:47< Arc> but whatever its a development release
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20091013 05:47:59< Soliton> i get the "too many files" error, too. i don't think it's relevant how many files the commit at hand entails but all the ancestors.
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20091013 05:48:21< ancestral> Hey Blueblaze
20091013 05:48:44< ancestral> Blueblaze: Going to say hi in a different forum every day :)
20091013 05:48:51< Blueblaze> hi ancestral
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20091013 09:50:12< Soliton> "type variable;" means variable is uninitialized only if type is a POD type?
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20091013 10:29:56< Ivanovic> moin
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20091013 10:32:54< CIA-13> ivanovic * r39265 /trunk/po/ (6 files in 6 dirs): updated Shavian translation
20091013 10:33:56< Ivanovic> Arc, shadowmaster: i know that we currently have a really high bug count, but this does not mean that we are really in a (much) worse state than we were already in 1.7.6
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20091013 11:48:22< CIA-13> caslav_ilic * r39266 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Updated localized images for Serbian.
20091013 11:50:24< CIA-13> caslav_ilic * r39267 /branches/resources/image-localization/ (sr/wesnoth.xcf sr@latin/wesnoth.xcf): Updated source localized images for Serbian.
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20091013 14:58:26< cib0> hm, too bad, mordante isn't here.
20091013 14:59:29< cib0> does anyone have an idea how difficult it would be to re-use wesnoth's gui in another game? would it even make any sense?
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20091013 15:00:32< Crab_> cib0: it would be surely easier than writing something from scratch
20091013 15:01:40< Crab_> cib0: there should be some principal limitations, of course (e.g. wesnoth doesn't have much real-time changes in graphics except the animations)
20091013 15:01:51< cib0> Crab_, yes, that's what i'm thinking.
20091013 15:02:19< Crab_> cib0: so, if you're thinking about turn-based game, find mordante and try to re-use :)
20091013 15:03:51< cib0> Crab_, i'm going to do the actual game view and so myself, i only want some nice dialogues etc.
20091013 15:04:00< cib0> does whether it is turn based or not play any role there?
20091013 15:07:28< Crab_> cib0: well, if the dialogues are modal, it shouldn't matter much (except that you will most certainly have two different event handling systems and other similar things - more lines of code than necessary)
20091013 15:08:37< cib0> hm.. i guess they wouldn't all be modal..
20091013 15:09:34< cib0> it might be best to just use a gui toolkit and integrate SDL or opengl.. but that's a bit messy
20091013 15:12:48< Crab_> cib0: I'd say that it should be better to search for a suitable open-source realtime graphics engine out there, if the game is realtime. it will be less work.
20091013 15:15:56< cib0> Crab_, it's a game with turn-based gameplay, but the game is about more than just that. actually, it will be a game about a game - turn based gameplay, realtime interaction of the characters.
20091013 15:17:53< cib0> i guess i will look into the different gui toolkits there are, thanks for the advice
20091013 15:22:43< Arc> whats the source template for data/core/images/maps/l10n/*/wesnoth--overlay.png ?
20091013 15:22:48< Arc> font used, etc
20091013 15:23:40< Arc> nevermind
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20091013 19:30:28< mordante> servus
20091013 19:30:42< mordante> cib0, I'm now ;-)
20091013 19:31:02< cib0> hey mordante =)
20091013 19:31:14< mordante> hi cib0 
20091013 19:32:00< cib0> mordante, are dialogues in your gui necessarely modal?
20091013 19:32:01< mordante> cib0, the gui has some extra Wesnoth code it relies on mainly the config and formula language
20091013 19:32:08< cib0> oh =/
20091013 19:32:48< mordante> cib0, jein they are all modal at the moment but they can be used nonmodal, but that's not tested
20091013 19:32:49< cib0> hm, well, i guess adapting that stuff wouldn't hurt too much, but i'm already quite convinced that i'm looking for a more general gui
20091013 19:32:55< cib0> i see
20091013 19:33:38< mordante> but I think the formula part could be ported to lua if you wanted
20091013 19:33:41< cib0> i guess there's a reason wesnoth started from scratch after all though =)
20091013 19:34:50< mordante> cib0, you can look here for some gui libraries http://www.libsdl.org/libraries.php
20091013 19:34:59< cib0> mordante, thanks =)
20091013 19:35:07< mordante> no problem
20091013 19:35:51< mordante> when I started to work on the gui library I didn't have using it stand-alone as requirement ;-)
20091013 19:36:09< cib0> =)
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20091013 19:37:44< mordante> do you plan to use more parts of Wesnoth?
20091013 19:38:12< cib0> mordante, not so far, nope
20091013 19:39:13< mordante> if you need more parts of Wesnoth, maybe using the gui engine becomes an option ;-)
20091013 19:39:30< cib0> though i am going to need something like WML.. just that i would be using it for more complex stuff from the start, so i'm better off with lua i guess
20091013 19:40:11< mordante> probably yes
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20091013 19:42:19< mordante> thanks for testing shadowmaster 
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20091013 20:12:51< Crab_> wesbot: topic
20091013 20:12:53< wesbot> Crab_: Don't be impatient, wait until something changes...  *tsk*
20091013 20:13:04< Crab_> :)
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20091013 20:37:36< Ivanovic> mordante: how stable is your new event interface stuff by now?
20091013 20:37:50< Ivanovic> is it possible to release tomorrow with the stuff or is it not possible?
20091013 20:39:00< mordante> Ivanovic, I've some larger patches in progress, but I wanted to ask whether you wanted to release tomorrow
20091013 20:39:12< mordante> if you plan that I'll postpone committing them
20091013 20:39:30< mordante> atm we have 2 regression, which are listed in the release notes
20091013 20:39:38< Ivanovic> i want the new event interface stuff complete in the next release
20091013 20:39:53< Ivanovic> and yeah, if possible i would like to see the new mp lobby as default
20091013 20:40:08< mordante> but boucman set this one as blocker https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?14405
20091013 20:40:16< Ivanovic> and then i would like to declare the release clearly as "beta"
20091013 20:41:00< mordante> I wouldn't mind to release the current version tomorrow to get some more testing
20091013 20:41:26< Arc> mordante: http://media.apogean.org/img-wesnoth-3.png
20091013 20:41:33< Arc> er
20091013 20:41:36< Arc> http://media.apogean.org/img/wesnoth-3.png
20091013 20:42:05< Arc> 3-6 show the state of my patch.  it's not perfect by a long shot, there's some random rendering bugs where the text is just random color static, but getting close
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20091013 20:42:09< mordante> I hope to finish the event handling part this weekend but no guarantees, already ran into some "interesting" problems with that code
20091013 20:44:01< mordante> looks promising Arc :-)
20091013 20:44:44< loonycyborg> Arc: Be sure not to break other languages, such as arabic :P
20091013 20:44:44< Arc> its not setting the color right yet, i havent figured out how to do the color transform from sdl to pango, and theres a LOT of code cleanup left
20091013 20:44:53< Arc> loonycyborg: other langs seem to work still
20091013 20:45:09< loonycyborg> Great! :)
20091013 20:45:31< Arc> im using the text rendering from text.cpp so it should be the same
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20091013 20:55:13< Ivanovic> mordante: to be honest i prefer to wait till you think the event interface is done before getting 1.7.7 out
20091013 20:55:17< CIA-13> ivanovic * r39268 /trunk/po/ (3 files in 3 dirs): updated Shavian translation
20091013 20:55:28< Ivanovic> so wednesday might be next week
20091013 20:55:30< Ivanovic> ;)
20091013 20:57:21< mordante> ok 
20091013 20:57:33< mordante> then I might commit some more interesting patches tonight
20091013 21:00:01< Ivanovic> ok
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20091013 21:02:19< silene> hi
20091013 21:07:48< Ivanovic> hi silene
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20091013 21:10:25< Arc> woot i got enough glyphs in the Ubuntu Title font finished to make the logo
20091013 21:10:27< Arc> http://media.apogean.org/img/UbuntuCoF-Shaw.svg
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20091013 21:13:22< faryshta> Can you please recommend me a object-oriented language distinct from Java or C-family?
20091013 21:14:08< Arc> Python
20091013 21:14:39< Arc> import antigravity my friend
20091013 21:14:39< grzywacz> hi
20091013 21:14:44< grzywacz> Python.
20091013 21:15:02< Arc> >>> import antigravity
20091013 21:15:14< Arc> which opens: http://xkcd.com/353/
20091013 21:15:19< faryshta> Arc, grzywacz thanks I will find python.
20091013 21:15:22< grzywacz> In which version?
20091013 21:15:27< grzywacz> Arc, import this :P
20091013 21:15:53< Arc> grzywacz: python3
20091013 21:16:05< Arc> its an easter egg
20091013 21:16:21< Arc> go install Python 3.1.1 and see for yourself
20091013 21:16:47< grzywacz> No, thank you. I'll stick with 2.6 for a little longer.
20091013 21:17:06< grzywacz> faryshta, and yeah, you probably want 2.6
20091013 21:17:25< Arc> python3 doesnt interfere with python2
20091013 21:17:44< loonycyborg> I remember reading someone's research about using three languages to develop hybrid systems: python, haskell and some language which name I don't remember. IIRC it was object-oriented but not related to C++.
20091013 21:17:50< faryshta> grzywacz, can you recommend me a tutorial please?
20091013 21:18:49< grzywacz> faryshta, you will find one on python.org in the Documentation section
20091013 21:19:04< faryshta> Ok thanks again.
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20091013 21:37:07 * shadowmaster still wonders why releasing on Wednesday rather than weekend
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20091013 21:54:50< Sirp> faryshta: try Ruby
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20091013 21:55:59< faryshta> Sirp I think I will.
20091013 21:56:25< faryshta> I am having a really bad time with arrays on C++
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20091013 21:58:58< mordante> faryshta, in C++ you can use std::vector instead of arrays
20091013 22:00:22< shadowmaster> or boost::array if you really need fixed-size storage.
20091013 22:00:26< shadowmaster> :p
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20091013 22:02:43< faryshta> mordante, shadowmaster I can declare function to return me std::vectors or boost::arrays?
20091013 22:03:13< mordante> yes
20091013 22:04:02< mordante> std::vector should ship with your compiler for boost::array you need to install boost
20091013 22:04:51< mordante> or if you write an open source project you can copy array.hpp from Wesnoth
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20091013 22:07:28< shadowmaster> mordante: IIRC the boost license doesn't restrict code redistribution as part of closed source projects
20091013 22:09:32< mordante> shadowmaster, true but some people don't want to depend on boost
20091013 22:10:43< shadowmaster> ah, wait, our array.hpp isn't part of Boost?
20091013 22:10:51< shadowmaster> hm.
20091013 22:11:05< shadowmaster> I thought it was copied from Boost like foreach.hpp, but it seems to be original work.
20091013 22:11:44< mordante> I knew it had our copyright ;-)
20091013 22:12:23< shadowmaster> it also happens to be used exactly once.
20091013 22:12:43< mordante> I know
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20091013 22:13:13< shadowmaster> you know? you have worked with the AI code then? :P
20091013 22:13:51 * shadowmaster wonders if there are more places that could use fixed-size storage.
20091013 22:14:04< mordante> shadowmaster, yes
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20091013 22:14:56< mordante> I guess by know I've touched most parts of the code ;-)
20091013 22:15:23 * Arc uses a doll to ask the code where, precisely, you touched it
20091013 22:15:28< mordante> in fact I touched almost every file in the source ;-)
20091013 22:15:47< shadowmaster> pff, only for trampling all over other people's formatting, copyright years and code practices
20091013 22:15:51< shadowmaster> :P
20091013 22:15:58< mordante> exactly :-P
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20091013 22:16:24 * mordante wonders where those places are on a doll
20091013 22:18:04< mordante> but I also worked on most areas in the source as well
20091013 22:24:29< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: the reason for releasing in the middle of the week instead of on the weekend is *really* simple
20091013 22:24:45< Ivanovic> it is me waiting for mordante finish stuff and he has not much spare time in the middle of the week to get it done
20091013 22:25:14< Ivanovic> and i don't want to release right after "just a last *tiny* fix"...
20091013 22:25:17< Ivanovic> ;)
20091013 22:25:29< Ivanovic> (beside this i don't have much time at all this weekend)
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20091013 22:27:02< Ivanovic> Arc: the last update you sent me does not include an attachment
20091013 22:27:21< Ivanovic> *and* make sure that there are no errors in the manpages and manual files that will stop me from generating the files
20091013 22:27:49< Ivanovic> (since fixing a file in a lang that only consists of chars that i don't have in my usually used fonts is no fun at all...)
20091013 22:28:37< Ivanovic> in the manpages there is usually not a pipe char ('|') that has to stay untranslated (markup, you know...), it tends to be a capital I
20091013 22:28:45< Ivanovic> yes, this is a very common error
20091013 22:29:47< mordante> I only have tiny fixes, just a lot of them :-P
20091013 22:30:07< Arc> it builds
20091013 22:30:40< Arc> though i know it has errors
20091013 22:30:50< Arc> jon is going to tackle them this week
20091013 22:31:09< Arc> ie -j gets translated to -𐑡𐑱
20091013 22:31:20< Arc> so some of the markup needs to get reverted
20091013 22:31:31< Arc> and flags, etc
20091013 22:34:14< Arc> basically i dont have a lot of time to work on stuff, so im running it through the scripts and uploading after verify that it doesnt break compiling, then let jon and thomas use them out of svn to finish
20091013 22:39:44< Ivanovic> mordante: i need something from you
20091013 22:39:56< Ivanovic> please make sure that the update-po stuff is also run on manual and manpages
20091013 22:40:16< Ivanovic> looks like atm those files are *not* merged against the pot files in the update-po2 process
20091013 22:41:28< CIA-13> ivanovic * r39269 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-manpages/en@shaw.po wesnoth-manual/en@shaw.po): updated Shavian translation
20091013 22:48:46< CIA-13> mordante * r39270 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/event/dispatcher_private.hpp: 
20091013 22:48:46< CIA-13> Refactor fire_event.
20091013 22:48:46< CIA-13> This refactoring is needed to make it easier to add the new button click
20091013 22:48:46< CIA-13> code (not committed yet).
20091013 22:48:51< CIA-13> mordante * r39271 /trunk/src/hotkeys.cpp: Lower the severity of a log message.
20091013 22:48:54 * mordante mutters something about a changelog ...
20091013 22:48:57< CIA-13> mordante * r39272 /trunk/po/CMakeLists.txt: 
20091013 22:48:57< CIA-13> Let po-update2-xx update all domains.
20091013 22:48:57< CIA-13> Ivanovic discovered it didn't update the manual and manpages.
20091013 22:50:06< CIA-13> mordante * r39273 /trunk/changelog: Update changelog.
20091013 22:50:30< mordante> Ivanovic, didn't I say I would have interesting updates :-P
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20091013 23:01:59< mordante> I'm off night
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20091013 23:05:56< Ivanovic> Arc: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m16df1bc9
20091013 23:06:02< Ivanovic> manual *is* not compiling
20091013 23:06:26< Arc> awe shit give me a sec i'll fix :-/
20091013 23:06:28< Ivanovic> don't ask me what the real chars are, since my consolefont does not have those
20091013 23:06:53< Arc> its ok.  how can I produce the same error?
20091013 23:07:17< Ivanovic> using the old configure build system after running configure run "make update-po4a"
20091013 23:07:36< Ivanovic> will take you *ages* and requires strange stuff like po4a and docbook*something*
20091013 23:08:15< Arc> i ran a scons on this before sending to you, is "make update-po4a" what you did to cause this to bug?
20091013 23:08:46< Ivanovic> the problem seems to be that you translated </link>
20091013 23:09:05< Ivanovic> with other words: please check that all html tags (stuff inside < >) are *not* transalted
20091013 23:09:39< Arc> i tried, the problem is that wesnoth .po files use inconsistant xml styling
20091013 23:09:50< Arc> its hard to script for all contingencies
20091013 23:10:24< Ivanovic> the general problem seems to be the closing tags for <emphasis> and <link>
20091013 23:10:32< Ivanovic> so "just" find those and fix them
20091013 23:12:56< Ivanovic> and yeah, i don't dare touch your files, i'd guess that there might be too many possible problems for me killing stuff when things don't work out as they should...
20091013 23:15:06< Arc> ok i think i got it
20091013 23:15:07< Arc> testing...
20091013 23:15:25< Arc> wait, that doesnt work
20091013 23:16:40< Ivanovic> just search for all </link> and </emphasis> in the orig strings and make sure that they explain the same way in the translation
20091013 23:16:43< Ivanovic> then it should work
20091013 23:17:09< Arc> i did, and i found a few other tags that were improperly closed too
20091013 23:17:20< Ivanovic> ah, lovely
20091013 23:17:22< Arc> i just want to test to see if it builds before sending you the fix
20091013 23:17:34< Ivanovic> and also make sure that all opening ones don't include content
20091013 23:17:42< Arc> so the manual doesnt build by default?
20091013 23:17:59< Ivanovic> the manual is not built into an .mo files but into an html file
20091013 23:18:18< Arc> ok whats the scons command to do that?
20091013 23:18:24< Ivanovic> no idea, ask loonycyborg
20091013 23:19:10< Chusslove> Arc: You could instead:
20091013 23:19:47< Chusslove> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/l10n-support/pology
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20091013 23:19:59< Chusslove> export PATH=$PWD/pology/bin:$PATH
20091013 23:20:19< Chusslove> posieve check-tp-wesnoth ....../wesnoth-manual/en@shaw.po
20091013 23:23:06< loonycyborg> Arc: What exactly do you want to do? Generate manuals?
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20091013 23:24:22< Arc> loonycyborg: yea
20091013 23:24:30< Arc> asciidoc being updated
20091013 23:24:40< loonycyborg> scons update-po4a
20091013 23:24:58< Arc> ok
20091013 23:26:29< Arc> http://pastebin.ca/1618304 huh?
20091013 23:27:42< loonycyborg> It works for me. Yoo old /too new asciidoc?
20091013 23:27:53< loonycyborg> s/Yoo/Too
20091013 23:29:35< Arc> ?
20091013 23:29:39< Arc> i just upgraded asciidoc
20091013 23:29:45< Ivanovic> do you have the docbook stuff installed?
20091013 23:29:57< Arc> which docbook stuff?
20091013 23:30:18< loonycyborg> I have asciidoc 8.1.0
20091013 23:30:36< Ivanovic> ahh, good question, not 100% sure
20091013 23:30:50< Arc> there are a lot of docbook packages on gentoo
20091013 23:31:00< Ivanovic> probably either docbook-xml-dtd or docbook-xsl-stylesheets
20091013 23:31:07< Ivanovic> those are at least the two i got installed here
20091013 23:31:41< Ivanovic> beside this i got app-text/po4a-0.34 and app-text/asciidoc-8.4.5
20091013 23:31:55< Ivanovic> (yes, the more recent po4a versions are problematic)
20091013 23:32:31< Arc> ok.  im going to send what i have to you
20091013 23:33:42< Arc> i obviously cant test it locally :-/
20091013 23:36:58< Arc> oh Ivanovic you can just install the Andagii font out of fonts/ to get support
20091013 23:37:14< Ivanovic> i don't plan to do so...
20091013 23:37:17< Arc> ok
20091013 23:38:46< loonycyborg> I've installed Andagii font as user font, but kde rednering issues with it.
20091013 23:38:56< loonycyborg> *rendering
20091013 23:41:01< loonycyborg> It apparently has issues with plane1 characters too..
20091013 23:41:12< Arc> really
20091013 23:41:18< Arc> Ivanovic: did that fix the bug?
20091013 23:41:29< Ivanovic> takes a *long* while to test this!
20091013 23:43:02< Arc> heh ok
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20091013 23:44:50< Ivanovic> WOW
20091013 23:45:01< Ivanovic> ~5k lines filled with this: No localization exists for "en@shaw" or "". Using default "en".
20091013 23:45:27< Arc> do you want me to send you my en@shaw file?
20091013 23:45:40< Arc> or how to work around that?
20091013 23:46:30< Ivanovic> i have *no* idea
20091013 23:46:39< Ivanovic> i'd guess that the langcode to use at the top makes the difference
20091013 23:46:53< Ivanovic> maybe using en_shaw instead of en@shaw will work, not sure though
20091013 23:47:09< Arc> en-shaw is the xml version
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20091013 23:49:29< Ivanovic> changing the langcode string in there to en-shaw
20091013 23:49:49< Ivanovic> once i uploaded the update (including making the manual and a pot-update) please check if things work and are still correct
20091013 23:51:31< Arc> ok how do i check that
20091013 23:51:47< Arc> does this generate to the web?
20091013 23:52:36< loonycyborg> html files are comitted and are located in doc/manual
20091013 23:52:58< Arc> ok
20091013 23:53:55< Ivanovic> okay, seems to work
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20091013 23:55:00< Arc> sorry for the miss
20091013 23:55:20< Arc> in my defense i thought "scons" by itself would test everything
20091013 23:55:46< Ivanovic> no problem
20091013 23:56:06< Ivanovic> for most langs i can fix the tiny probs myself, just for a lang where i don't have a font at hand it is difficult
20091013 23:56:23< Arc> do you want a package that includes the font?
20091013 23:56:35< Ivanovic> no
20091013 23:56:47< Ivanovic> since i would also have to make vim use it since i use that to edit the files
20091013 23:56:57< CIA-13> ivanovic * r39274 /trunk/ (495 files in 26 dirs): 
20091013 23:56:57< CIA-13> pot-update (one new string in wesnoth, a new translation for about.cfg)
20091013 23:56:57< CIA-13> regenerated doc files
20091013 23:56:57< CIA-13> made sure that pofix ran on all po files and that all files, the doc files, too, are merged and up to date
20091013 23:56:57< CIA-13> fixed probs in the Shavian manual files (done by Arc)
20091013 23:57:25< Arc> doesnt vim support unicode?
20091013 23:57:25< CIA-13> ivanovic * r39275 /trunk/doc/manual/manual.en@shaw.html: forgot adding the new manual file for shavian
20091013 23:57:45< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/trunk/doc/manual/manual.en@shaw.html
20091013 23:57:55< Ivanovic> this should be the file to use
20091013 23:59:32< Arc> that looks about right for the amount of fuzzy
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