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20091019 02:14:46< AI0867> an assert was recently added there, apparently the game_map isn't initialized when parse_location_range() is called
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20091019 03:24:24< AI0867> backtrace: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/f37325ac4
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20091019 03:28:31< AI0867> the issue is that tod_manager is created in the initlist of play_controller's constructor, while resources::game_map is assigned int play_controller::init(), which is called in play_controller(), but executes after the initlist
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20091019 05:27:51< Aethaeryn> noy: Are people allowed to be talking about drugs in the lobby?
20091019 05:28:04< Aethaeryn> noy: In fact, are they allowed to be talking about *anything* other than games? I thought there was a rule :S
20091019 05:28:33< Aethaeryn> bah, meant to be in #wesnoth-mp
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20091019 07:29:43< CIA-45> silene * r39352 /trunk/src/play_controller.cpp: Moved resources setting in constructor to match the destructor.
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20091019 07:30:20< CIA-45> silene * r39353 /trunk/src/ (play_controller.cpp tod_manager.cpp): Delayed time area initializations until the level has started loading.
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20091019 09:03:39< Sapient> passing too many macro parameters, such as {... _ ""} instead of {... _""} can cause quite some confusing breakage
20091019 09:04:07< Sapient> maybe I should post that in the clumsy developer thread
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20091019 09:57:33< Sapient> zookeeper: you may be interested in some utility macros I just wrote...
20091019 09:57:46< Sapient> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=390098#p390098
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20091019 10:07:13< Sapient> made a couple of changes (edited post)
20091019 10:08:29< zookeeper> Sapient, looks handy, although if i'd probably never trust anyone else's macros enough to not write my own instead ;)
20091019 10:08:31< Rhonda> Changing History!
20091019 10:08:35< zookeeper> -if
20091019 10:19:43< Sapient> zookeeper:you can trust my macros ;)
20091019 10:19:52< Sapient> I actually tested it this time!
20091019 10:20:42< Sapient> Rhonda: changing history, howso?
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20091019 10:30:19< Rhonda> Sapient: editing posts!
20091019 10:34:26< Sapient> ah, yup ~_~
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20091019 11:18:37< Ivanovic> moin
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20091019 17:57:38< CIA-45> ivanovic * r39354 /trunk/ (186 files in 30 dirs): 
20091019 17:57:38< CIA-45> pot-update (2 new strings as overlay explaining the ingame clock in default theme)
20091019 17:57:38< CIA-45> regenerated doc files
20091019 18:04:18< Sapient> zookeeper: you think those LOOKUP macros would be useful in core?
20091019 18:04:37< Sapient> or is there already something similar?
20091019 18:04:58< zookeeper> there's nothing similar...i don't know if those would be useful or not, really
20091019 18:05:02< zookeeper> maybe
20091019 18:05:52< zookeeper> on one hand, anyone who'd know what they're useful for would have already whipped up their own in a couple of minutes, no?
20091019 18:06:56< Sapient> well, it took me longer than a couple of minutes
20091019 18:07:51< zookeeper> ah right, i forgot about the upgrades thing ;)
20091019 18:07:53< Sapient> although it is fairly simple it's easy to make a mistake with all those macro params
20091019 18:08:30< Sapient> like [{SAVE_AS}] instead of [${SAVE_AS}]
20091019 18:08:40< zookeeper> the lookup ones look fine to me, but the upgrade thingy looks like something i'd expect people not to use
20091019 18:08:57< Sapient> if there's nothing similar in core already then I think it should go in
20091019 18:09:04< Sapient> the LOOKUP ones I mean
20091019 18:09:30< zookeeper> sure, add them if you want, they're not big and bloaty after all
20091019 18:09:30< Sapient> I agree the UPGRADE parts are too specialized for general use
20091019 18:10:55< Sapient> zookeeper: well, they probably do cause a little bit of bloat when compared to a [fire_event] solution... but that requires more precise placement
20091019 18:11:55< zookeeper> umm, we're talking about the lookup ones, no?
20091019 18:12:22< Sapient> yes
20091019 18:12:28< zookeeper> i can't really see a use for [fire_event] there
20091019 18:13:22< zookeeper> i mean...you could put in the first one as an event and call it from the second one, but that'd be kinda silly
20091019 18:13:44< zookeeper> so it doesn't really count :p they're still not bloaty
20091019 18:13:46< Sapient> well, the idea would be instead of having a big [while] loop everywhere the macro is called, you'd set some variables instead and fire the event
20091019 18:14:18< Sapient> but on second thought, they'd probably be about similar in size
20091019 18:15:59< Sapient> I know some people have requested dictionary-like syntax, such as $foods["cheese"].price
20091019 18:16:20< Sapient> this would allow you to do the same thing by lookups
20091019 18:16:53< zookeeper> dictionary-like syntax would be pretty cool though ;)
20091019 18:17:22< zookeeper> shouldn't it be _relatively_ simple to do, since all the data is stored a bit like in a dictionary anyway (AFAIK)?
20091019 18:18:25< Sapient> well, what attribute would we be checking for equality with "cheese"?
20091019 18:19:00< Sapient> maybe $foods[type=cheese].price
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20091019 18:19:39< zookeeper> eh, right, i misunderstood that..
20091019 18:20:00< Sapient> I suspect that would cause some real headaches for the various parsing codes though
20091019 18:20:02< zookeeper> no idea what i was thinking
20091019 18:20:46< Sapient> there's already so much syntax crammed into a single space it's hard to conceive adding more special rules
20091019 18:21:28< zookeeper> $foods[type=cheese].price would be the useful one, i guess
20091019 18:28:15< zookeeper> for example if you're making an inventory system or something, you have to decide between having the format be [items] [item][/item] [item][/item] [/items] or [item] [boots][/boots] [sword][/sword] [/items] and both have drawbacks
20091019 18:30:18< zookeeper> for some purposes it's much easier to be able to refer to individual items with $items[$i].foo and for some other purposes with $items.boots.foo
20091019 18:30:36< zookeeper> eh, $items.item[$i].foo
20091019 18:31:32< zookeeper> so if you could use $items.item[name=boots].foo, you could get the best of both worlds without any drawbacks
20091019 18:31:36< Sapient> right, I've used both approaches
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20091019 18:32:48< Sapient> but if you have items.boots for example, then you probably need another array that holds all the different types of items, so that you can iterate through it
20091019 18:33:57< zookeeper> yeah, i guess usually you'll end up having to shift to an items.item format so you can do iterations properly
20091019 18:34:30< zookeeper> and then you have to do iterations bloody everywhere in order to find the index, since you can't just say items.boots anymore even if you know you want the boots :P
20091019 18:34:51< Sapient> if item.boots.length=0 then append [types]name=boots to item.types
20091019 18:35:05< Sapient> it can be done that way
20091019 18:35:22< Sapient> it just requires tracking two separate lists
20091019 18:35:36< zookeeper> yeah, which gets messy and annoying and bug-prone and complicated and..
20091019 18:35:39< zookeeper> of course it can be done
20091019 18:36:23< zookeeper> but i'd imagine that being able to use $items.item[name=boots].foo could simplify a lot of code for all kinds of item and magic systems
20091019 18:36:37< zookeeper> since it'd eliminate the need for most iterations
20091019 18:41:52< Sapient> POSSIBLY
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20091019 18:43:07< Sapient> but it raises a lot of questions about what additional features would be needed
20091019 18:43:24< Sapient> like, how to just get the index? what if it's not found, etc
20091019 18:43:46< zookeeper> well...
20091019 18:43:47< Sapient> it's an idea that has merit
20091019 18:43:49< zookeeper> sure
20091019 18:44:12< zookeeper> the index part could be solved by having elements have an implicit ._index field or something
20091019 18:44:42< Sapient> I think we could use another "magic" attribute, yes
20091019 18:44:52< Sapient> no need for underscores, though
20091019 18:44:53< zookeeper> but still, i don't really see why you'd need to find the index anymore
20091019 18:45:15< zookeeper> i mean sure there are _some_ cases where you'd might need to..
20091019 18:45:29< Sapient> $item[name=boots].index, $item[name=boots].exists
20091019 18:45:30< zookeeper> but pretty rare
20091019 18:46:19< zookeeper> .exists wouldn't be necessary, would it? you could just check if $item[name=boots].name equals boots
20091019 18:46:34< Sapient> ah, true
20091019 18:46:48< Sapient> but that means you have already created an empty item
20091019 18:46:53< Sapient> at the end of the list
20091019 18:47:15< Sapient> and maybe it set the name to boots automatically for you
20091019 18:47:30< zookeeper> eh, i wouldn't make that syntax automatically create new items
20091019 18:47:59< Sapient> ok
20091019 18:48:10< Sapient> I think it would violate constness in some places anyway
20091019 18:49:12< zookeeper> create them if it's an assignment, but not if it's just a check/reference
20091019 18:49:34< zookeeper> the same way [set_variable] creates new elements but [variable] doesn't
20091019 18:49:50< zookeeper> (at least i hope the latter doesn't..)
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20091019 18:56:34< Sapient> your hope is true
20091019 18:59:44< Soliton> "Once great warriors across the plains, these mounted riders ..." can that be considered correct grammar or is the verb missing?
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20091019 19:24:27< chains> I'm not normally one to report bad language, but there is a game with the title with an extremely offensive title in the multiplayer server right now 
20091019 19:25:11< chains> hosted I believe by wylly
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20091019 19:28:48 * crimson_penguin isn't an admin
20091019 19:29:49< [Relic]> Hello :)
20091019 19:29:53< crimson_penguin> wait, maybe I am!
20091019 19:29:56< crimson_penguin> hi [Relic] 
20091019 19:30:03< chains> lol
20091019 19:30:06< [Relic]> :)
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20091019 19:32:24< crimson_penguin> you know what would be nice? case-insensitive sorting
20091019 19:33:14< crimson_penguin> I don't see anyone named wylly, or any terribly named games
20091019 19:33:38< crimson_penguin> oh, wait, I see it
20091019 19:34:31< crimson_penguin> I don't know, is that bad enough to do anything about?
20091019 19:36:36< Sapient> Soliton, it looks correct to me
20091019 19:37:39< Sapient> I think that is known as an "adjective clause"
20091019 19:37:40< crimson_penguin> also I'm pretty sure I'm not a mod
20091019 19:44:26< Soliton> Sapient: ok, thanks.
20091019 19:46:19< Sapient> or maybe "prepositional phrase"... been a while since I studied that
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20091019 19:53:47< Ivanovic> Sapient, YogiHH: have a look at the mentor list for the room booking stuff confirmation
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20091019 19:54:45< Ivanovic> Sapient, YogiHH: in general it looks to me just like it should look
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20091019 19:57:51< mordante> servus
20091019 19:58:56< mordante> sapient I'm not sure whether IFTU should work with trunk at the moment
20091019 19:59:17< Sapient> mordante: ?
20091019 20:00:16< mordante> Sapient, sorry I meant zookeeper 
20091019 20:02:03< Soliton> the assert error was fixed today.
20091019 20:02:11< mordante> ah ok
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20091019 20:07:11< zookeeper> cool
20091019 20:08:38< Ivanovic> mordante: yogihh is more lucky than we were on the flight from london to sf
20091019 20:08:53< Ivanovic> though it is the same flight number he has a 777 instead of the 747 we were in
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20091019 20:11:22< mordante> seems we went a year too early ;-)
20091019 20:12:00< mordante> btw Ivanovic I want to rename the cmake foo2 targets to foo, any objection?
20091019 20:12:14< Ivanovic> no prob for me
20091019 20:12:47< Sapient> cya later, have fun
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20091019 20:13:03< mordante> good then I'll do it now
20091019 20:13:45< mordante> testing these things after a pot-update is nice 
20091019 20:14:22< Ivanovic> :)
20091019 20:14:37< Ivanovic> i guess there is no news regarding the po4a update stuff, right?
20091019 20:16:17< Ivanovic> (even more important: regarding the resize crash that blocks enabling the new lobby by default which is my blocker for "from now on we label releases at least beta")
20091019 20:16:20< mordante> no first want to have the event handling and resizing do
20091019 20:16:37< mordante> done*
20091019 20:17:09< Ivanovic> :)
20091019 20:17:11< mordante> I want to work on the resizing next weekend, rather busy this week so tackle some other minor items
20091019 20:17:24< mordante> (maybe even po4a ;-) )
20091019 20:18:55< Ivanovic> okay
20091019 20:19:42< mordante> btw does Fabi maintain DM as well?
20091019 20:19:56< Ivanovic> not sure, might be esr dowing the stuff himself
20091019 20:20:37< mordante> found some odd things in it
20091019 20:20:52< mordante> will see whether either of them shows up
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20091019 20:24:48< CIA-45> mordante * r39355 /trunk/ (changelog po/CMakeLists.txt): Renamed the cmake foo2 targets to foo.
20091019 20:24:56< mordante> Ivanovic, ^
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20091019 20:42:30< mordante> Ivanovic, can you still reproduce bug 14328? It seems a bit elusive (still think I have a fix)
20091019 20:43:39< Ivanovic> mordante: german translation, LoW in  the campaign selection
20091019 20:43:44< Ivanovic> still reproducible
20091019 20:44:13< mordante> odd 
20091019 20:45:02< Ivanovic> mordante: added info how i reproduce it
20091019 20:45:35< Ivanovic> plain 1024x768, windowed mode, german translation, clicking on "Legend of Wesmere" in the campaign selection
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20091019 20:45:47< mordante> Ivanovic, I can reproduce it but which text disappears seems to change
20091019 20:46:11< Ivanovic> in this case it is always the buttom line
20091019 20:46:15< Ivanovic> (at least for me)
20091019 20:46:39< mordante> it's always the bottom line for me, which refers to a campaign
20091019 20:46:46< mordante> me too*
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20091019 20:59:34< CIA-45> soliton * r39356 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
20091019 20:59:34< CIA-45> * Removed Elder Wose and Shock Trooper from random_leader of the default era.
20091019 20:59:34< CIA-45> * Removed Ancient Wose and Iron Mauler from random_leader of the AoH era.
20091019 20:59:37< CIA-45> soliton * r39357 /trunk/data/campaigns/Liberty/units/Skeleton_Rider.cfg: 
20091019 20:59:37< CIA-45> synchronised the Skeleton Rider stats from Liberty with the UtBS version
20091019 20:59:37< CIA-45> someone still needs to check the images/animations and then the unit can be moved to core
20091019 20:59:43< CIA-45> soliton * r39358 /trunk/src/server/server.cpp: optimized clone finding a bit
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20091019 21:27:54 * mordante 's going to make Ivanovic unhappy, he wants to modify two more strings
20091019 21:28:13< mordante> DiD and UtBS have an extra new line in their description
20091019 21:28:23< Ivanovic> and?
20091019 21:28:35< Ivanovic> that line can stay!
20091019 21:29:03< mordante> it looks ugly and it has caused me a lot of extra debugging :-(
20091019 21:29:39< mordante> I won't commit it but it looks silly
20091019 21:29:56< Ivanovic> ts, just ignore it and fix it once 1.8 is out
20091019 21:30:46< mordante> yup, but I thought pango did insane things, but it has a bit more sanity than I gave it credit for
20091019 21:31:09< Ivanovic> :)
20091019 21:31:31< Ivanovic> sane software?!?
20091019 21:31:43< Ivanovic> this really is a suprise
20091019 21:31:43< Ivanovic> ;)
20091019 21:31:59< mordante> it ain't called pango :-(
20091019 21:32:29< mordante> pango_layout_get_width doesn't exactly do what you expect
20091019 21:32:51< mordante> s/get/set/
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20091019 21:34:08< mordante> at least my hack no longer causes spurious extra lines which were never there in the first place
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20091019 22:26:22< CIA-45> mordante * r39359 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (helper.cpp helper.hpp): Add a debug helper function.
20091019 22:26:25< CIA-45> mordante * r39360 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/control.cpp: Improve debug messages.
20091019 22:26:30< CIA-45> mordante * r39361 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/log.hpp: 
20091019 22:26:30< CIA-45> Add the namespace in the macros.
20091019 22:26:30< CIA-45> This allows the macros to be used outside the gui2 namespace.
20091019 22:26:36< CIA-45> mordante * r39362 /trunk/ (changelog src/text.cpp): 
20091019 22:26:36< CIA-45> Avoid truncting text.
20091019 22:26:36< CIA-45> This could be observed with the last line in campaign description.
20091019 22:26:36< CIA-45> Also added some extra debug information. Fixes bug #14328.
20091019 22:26:44< shadowmaster> there were foo2 targets?
20091019 22:27:15< shadowmaster> ar, I didn't notice I was reading the backlog.
20091019 22:27:18< mordante> pot-update2
20091019 22:28:00< mordante> and the po and mo files, but normal users shouldn't notice the difference only Ivanovic needs to modify his pot update scripts
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20091019 22:45:29< mordante> I'm off night
20091019 22:46:31< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: plain po file related stuff and only when using cmake with an extra param to actually activate those targets
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20091019 23:33:13< ilor_> anyone have a while to discuss how wescamp currently works?
20091019 23:33:36< Ivanovic> ilor_: what do you mean with "how it works"?
20091019 23:34:07< Ivanovic> in theory it is just a rep where content creators upload their stuff, torangan does some magic to the po files and the translators send their files to torangan
20091019 23:34:32< Ivanovic> later on (in theory) the content creators fetch the translated files and add them to the package on the addon server
20091019 23:34:54< ilor_> everything is manual right now, yes?
20091019 23:34:56< Ivanovic> (though some stuff is already automatic regarding upload to wescamp and the likes, IIRC mordante should know the status of this stuff)
20091019 23:35:23< Ivanovic> ilor_: i am *not* sure what is manual and if parts are automatic
20091019 23:35:28< ilor_> Ivanovic: okay
20091019 23:35:40< Ivanovic> ilor_: i am quite sure that adding and generating the po files is not automatic
20091019 23:36:14< Ivanovic> no idea what about adding .mo files (the translations) to the addon server or uploading content from the addon server to wescamp
20091019 23:36:25< Ivanovic> parts of this might be automatic already, *not* sure at all
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20091019 23:57:23 * Soliton pings Sapient.
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