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20091022 01:21:15-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: *not* releasing 1.7.7 right now, maybe "soon" | string/feature freeze active! | 96 bugs, 238 feature requests, 11 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20091022 01:27:33< [Relic]> Hello :)
20091022 01:34:24< Aethaeryn> Hello
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20091022 01:57:20< CIA-45> ivanovic * r39405 /trunk/po/ (17 files in 17 dirs): updated German translation
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20091022 02:08:32< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: most likely: yes
20091022 02:08:35< CIA-45> alink * r39406 /trunk/src/pathfind.cpp: 
20091022 02:08:35< CIA-45> recommit r39364 'Optimize "paths" pathfinding function'
20091022 02:08:35< CIA-45> with more comments explaining why it's a valid change.
20091022 02:08:35< CIA-45> (code could be even more simplified but didn't touch it more for now)
20091022 02:08:47< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: since every change till (probably!) tomorrow will be included in 1.7.7
20091022 02:08:54< Ivanovic> so *wait* with packaging
20091022 02:09:01< Ivanovic> off to bed now
20091022 02:09:09< Ivanovic> n8
20091022 02:12:09< alink> silene:^ on my system it's significant but only for heavy NR cases with a lot of ZoC hits
20091022 02:12:31< shadowmaster> ewww, NR
20091022 02:12:32< shadowmaster> ;)
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20091022 02:13:15< alink> highly dependent of that, so hard to tell, i saw improvement going from few % to few dozens of % on my test-case but I believe a more mixed front-line do even more
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20091022 02:13:48< alink> and of course, these numbers are for 'paths' only, not for global AI stuff
20091022 02:15:43< alink> silene: btw, about preserving Dijkstra, did you notice that the usual proof of this is incomplete for us ? ;-)
20091022 02:16:08< alink> because edge weights are not fixed here
20091022 02:16:51< alink> (from the turn-based move and terrain with several MP costs)
20091022 02:17:42< alink> anyway, seems still valid, though
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20091022 02:19:50< alink> shadowm*; how many of you there is here ? ;p
20091022 02:20:37< shadowmaster> last time I counted I had around twelve clones.
20091022 02:21:45< alink> but as clones they probaly had the same idea of cloning themself 12 times, so possibly 144 <:o)
20091022 02:22:40< PK> the clones clones would have the same idea though
20091022 02:22:50< PK> and the clones clones clones.
20091022 02:22:58< PK> so there are infinite shadowmasters.
20091022 02:23:19< shadowmaster> there are as many as I need to to get work done.
20091022 02:23:24< alink> mmh this is a good point against human cloning 
20091022 02:25:05< PK> not moocow cloning, though.
20091022 02:25:26< alink> shadowmaster: so if I find a new bug, you can just clone yourself once more and make him work on it ?
20091022 02:26:44< alink> this is really usefull for OSS :)
20091022 02:27:09< shadowmaster> only if you can get those to perform a execve()
20091022 02:27:19< shadowmaster> otherwise they are still as lazy and uninspired as the original.
20091022 02:27:45< alink> yes we need to have access to the DNA source, so we can make some "improvements"
20091022 02:28:55< alink> hum DNA+svn will create some interesting stuff
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20091022 02:42:12< CIA-45> alink * r39407 /trunk/src/dialogs.cpp: 
20091022 02:42:12< CIA-45> Fix old bug with attackers's info of attack dialog when long words were used.
20091022 02:42:12< CIA-45> (ex: very long unit type name break all following infos)
20091022 02:42:12< CIA-45> Also now show head instead of tail for these long words when not enough space.
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20091022 19:21:15-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: *not* releasing 1.7.7 right now, maybe "soon" | string/feature freeze active! | 97 bugs, 238 feature requests, 11 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20091022 19:28:35< Ivanovic> AI0867, allefant, Chusslove, crimson_penguin, esr, loonycyborg, noy, Rhonda, shadowmaster, Soliton, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: ready for 1.7.7?
20091022 19:28:53< crimson_penguin> sure
20091022 19:28:58< esr> Ivanovic: No blockers here.
20091022 19:29:14< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: Yes.
20091022 19:29:32< Rhonda> My blocker is too little diskspace :(
20091022 19:30:48< Ivanovic> ugh
20091022 19:30:54< Ivanovic> Rhonda: hard to solve...
20091022 19:31:30< CIA-45> ivanovic * r39409 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Russian translation
20091022 19:34:24< Rhonda> Ivanovic: nexuiz-data increased by 400 megs ...  %-(
20091022 19:34:34< Ivanovic> wow
20091022 19:34:48< Ivanovic> da müssen wir uns aber was einfallen lassen um mit wesnoth noch mithalten zu können
20091022 19:34:49< Ivanovic> ;)
20091022 19:34:57< Rhonda> hah
20091022 19:39:39< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: have you ever considered purging the database of older users with 0 posts to save space? In just the As alone, there are 262 users with 0 posts, 127 with only 1 post, and 81 with only 2 posts.
20091022 19:41:02< Aethaeryn> Especially since usernames are used in-game as well, I'd hate to be restricted from using a common name that never posted if I was a new player.
20091022 19:42:32< Aethaeryn> You could do it as a one-time thing, only purging non-posting names that were created before 1.6 (or whenever usernames were tied to MP server accounts) to not step on the toes of people who register only for the MP server.
20091022 19:44:22< CIA-45> ivanovic * r39410 /trunk/ (74 files in 24 dirs): 
20091022 19:44:22< CIA-45> pot-update (no new/changed strings, reference update only, (again) preparing for 1.7.7)
20091022 19:44:22< CIA-45> regenerated doc files
20091022 19:44:32< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: it should be purged after "last login" or something like this
20091022 19:44:39< Ivanovic> *not* after a plain zero posts
20091022 19:44:51< Ivanovic> since users might login to have features like "posts since last visit"
20091022 19:44:58< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20091022 19:45:09< Aethaeryn> The total number of accounts with 0 posts is 3670
20091022 19:46:00< CIA-45> ivanovic * r39411 /trunk/ (changelog configure.ac players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): bump version to 1.7.7 (again)
20091022 19:46:11-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: releasing 1.7.7, using r39411 | string/feature freeze active! | 97 bugs, 238 feature requests, 11 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091022 19:46:56< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: If they (1) never logged in during 2009, (2) were created before the forums were linked to the MP server, and (3) have no special status (while looking for the number I found one that was marked "Translator"), I see no reason not to purge 0-post accounts, though, unless the space saved is not worth the effort to run some script through the database.
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20091022 19:49:36< Aethaeryn> It would actually *benefit* users by opening up at least 1000 new usernames on the MP server...
20091022 19:49:55< Aethaeryn> Unless all of the accounts were created rather recently.
20091022 19:52:58< Soliton> we'll remove accounts when someone asks for it. saving space is not really an issue.
20091022 19:55:35< blarumyrran> Having too many registered usernames might be an issue for people signing on to the mp server
20091022 19:55:39< blarumyrran> become*
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20091022 19:55:58< mordante> servus
20091022 19:56:55< mordante> Rhonda, what's in that 400 MB?
20091022 19:57:02< noy> blarumyrran: yeah wesnoth and every other email and mp game
20091022 19:57:43< Rhonda> mordante: I haven't checked because it would explode my disk space and kick me out of wesnoth packaging.
20091022 19:58:04< mordante> ah ok
20091022 19:58:06< blarumyrran> I thought most mp games have registering accounts? I guess im wrong then, i havnt really played anything besides wesnoth
20091022 19:58:17< mordante> just wondered since 400 MB is a lot
20091022 19:58:18< blarumyrran> dont have*
20091022 19:58:18< Aethaeryn> AIM is the worst offender. Try registering an AIM account. I bet Aethaeryn is even taken, and how common is that? :P
20091022 19:59:29< Aethaeryn> I bet only a fraction of AIM accounts are active, too...
20091022 19:59:49< Rhonda> mordante: I could kick wesnoth out if you are really curious. :)
20091022 20:00:36< mordante> somehow I lost all interest in those 400 MB ;-)
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20091022 20:43:52< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: re purging the database; it's done months ago.
20091022 20:45:03< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: Turuk used a more complex criteria for that anyway.
20091022 20:45:11< shadowmaster> s/a//
20091022 20:46:27< Aethaeryn> Oooh, cool.
20091022 20:46:40< Aethaeryn> No wonder so many showed up as 2009
20091022 20:49:05< shadowmaster> it looks like the input device layer crash made X.org forget my touchpad settings for the current session :/
20091022 20:50:06< shadowmaster> (it's annoying to have to figure out a way to trigger suspend to disk without touchpad and with every keypress freezing the system for 1 second, y'know)
20091022 20:54:57< CIA-45> ivanovic * r39412 /tags/1.7.7/: tag 1.7.7, using r39411
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20091022 21:00:31< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: okay, the tarball is online
20091022 21:00:48< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I'm getting ready to build
20091022 21:01:28< crimson_penguin> I think I might be able to get away with not rebuilding from scratch... I mean, I just build it yesterday, and XCode does seem to be good at checking dependencies
20091022 21:01:42< Aethaeryn> So I'm connecting to the 1.7.6 server as 1.7.7?
20091022 21:02:17< Aethaeryn> (I guess it doesn't help that I kinda cheated: all I did was "svn up" and "scons" to get 1.7.7)
20091022 21:02:20< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: ??
20091022 21:02:36< crimson_penguin> Aethaeryn: what's wrong with that?
20091022 21:02:41< crimson_penguin> I'm building from svn too
20091022 21:02:44< shadowmaster> wait until the MP server is started, or you may have OOS
20091022 21:02:54< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: there's more than 3 people so I know it's not just 1.7.7, and the server says latest release is 1.7.6
20091022 21:02:54< shadowmaster> (1.7.6 data does differ from 1.7.7 due to balancing changes)
20091022 21:03:12< shadowmaster> yes, that's why I'm saying...
20091022 21:04:16< Aethaeryn> I was just curious as to why it didn't kick me for saying 1.7.6 is the latest version :P
20091022 21:04:24< Aethaeryn> it doesn't let me connect with 1.7.5, for instance.
20091022 21:05:29< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: so is IftU now playable?
20091022 21:07:24< shadowmaster> I told you a week ago, and yesterday: YES!
20091022 21:07:25< crimson_penguin> hah, does every file include wesconf.h or something? XCode seems to think it needs to rebuild every file anyway
20091022 21:08:27< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I thought you said that it'd only work with 1.7.7
20091022 21:08:40< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: 1.7.6 is *not* compatible with 1.7.7
20091022 21:08:43< Aethaeryn> I assumed that you were going to do another major release after 1.7.7
20091022 21:08:57< Ivanovic> *but* the mp server currently allows both 1.7.6 and 1.7.7 to connect
20091022 21:08:59< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: it works with 1.7.6, but there's a releae-critical bug with scenario 7 in which the boss doesn't attack
20091022 21:09:12< Aethaeryn> ah
20091022 21:09:14< shadowmaster> that's only fixed by a client fix in 1.7.7
20091022 21:09:23-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.7.7, announcing "soon" | string/feature freeze active! | 97 bugs, 238 feature requests, 11 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091022 21:09:53< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: yes, I told him above ^^
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20091022 21:11:13< mordante> Ivanovic, are you about to update the changelog?
20091022 21:12:02< Ivanovic> yes
20091022 21:12:19< Ivanovic> done
20091022 21:12:25< Ivanovic> hi YogiHH
20091022 21:12:29< CIA-45> ivanovic * r39413 /trunk/ (changelog configure.ac players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): post release version bump to 1.7.7+svn
20091022 21:12:32< Ivanovic> YogiHH: everything ready for the trip to the US?
20091022 21:16:47< CIA-45> mordante * r39414 /trunk/ (changelog src/gui/auxiliary/canvas.cpp src/text.cpp): 
20091022 21:16:47< CIA-45> Improve handling invalid markup.
20091022 21:16:47< CIA-45> The code tried to render the markup before but since that doesn't fit on
20091022 21:16:47< CIA-45> the canvas it showed an wml_exception. Now handle it in the text code
20091022 21:16:47< CIA-45> itself.
20091022 21:16:48< CIA-45> After the stringfreeze is gone there can be a better warning.
20091022 21:19:54< shadowmaster> git archive --format=tar --prefix=wesnoth-1.7.7/ HEAD | bzip2 -v -9 > wesnoth-1.7.7.tar.bz2
20091022 21:20:01< shadowmaster> um, why is it asking me for input? >.<
20091022 21:20:02< YogiHH> hi Ivanovic, yes, everything is ready
20091022 21:20:33< shadowmaster> ee
20091022 21:20:40< shadowmaster> actually, I                                                        do
20091022 21:21:35< shadowmaster> ...don't need to pass it through bzip2, and I'd have used -c in there                                
20091022 21:21:44< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: So what you're saying is that the *current* IftU only works properly in 1.7.7 with the new bugfixes
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20091022 21:22:20< Ivanovic> YogiHH: don't forget the most important part!
20091022 21:22:26< Ivanovic> "have fun!"
20091022 21:22:27< Ivanovic> ;)
20091022 21:22:36< YogiHH> Ivanovic: bet on it, i will :-)
20091022 21:23:14< Ivanovic> good
20091022 21:23:38< shadowmaster> "atkbd.c: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0." um, WTF.
20091022 21:25:09< mordante> YogiHH, have fun in the states, when do you leave?
20091022 21:25:37< YogiHH> mordante: flight takes off tomorrow 7:30
20091022 21:25:38< Ivanovic> mordante: YogiHH has the same flight numbers between london and SFO (as well as back) as we had
20091022 21:26:13< YogiHH> Ivanovic: I guess the jetlag back home is what really kills you?
20091022 21:26:25< mordante> Ivanovic, you said that, but I wasn't sure whether that means the same times as well
20091022 21:26:26< Ivanovic> YogiHH: there was no real time for a jetlag
20091022 21:26:41< Ivanovic> YogiHH: you never get really used to the new time zone
20091022 21:26:49< YogiHH> i see
20091022 21:27:01< mordante> I also didn't have much of a jetlag
20091022 21:29:03< shadowmaster> loonycyborg.
20091022 21:29:39< shadowmaster> uh, I'm doing something wrong :(
20091022 21:30:23< shadowmaster> aha, because scons can't notice I'm feeding it completely typoed parameters.
20091022 21:31:41 * shadowmaster resumes with scons -j 13
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20091022 21:33:10< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: why scons doesn't complain when I feed it bad parameters? e.g. "ccahe=yes"
20091022 21:34:50< loonycyborg> shadowmaster: Because "ccahe=yes" us not a bad parameter.
20091022 21:35:30< loonycyborg> "yes" is the same as "true"
20091022 21:35:30< shadowmaster> it isn't?
20091022 21:35:49< shadowmaster> I know that, but the ccahe option does not exist.
20091022 21:36:09< loonycyborg> Ah. I didn't notice that typo.
20091022 21:36:46< shadowmaster> it didn't complain about extra_flags_release'foobar' either (notice the lack of =)
20091022 21:40:05< loonycyborg> extra_flags_release'foobar' would be a target, not an option, and therefore cause 'Do not know how to make target'
20091022 21:41:11< shadowmaster> but it started compiling!
20091022 21:41:21< shadowmaster> bah.
20091022 21:41:30< loonycyborg> But probably it's possible to make it fail on nonexistant variables.
20091022 21:41:51< loonycyborg> It doesn't do that by default since there are multiple ways of accessing them.
20091022 21:42:34< shadowmaster> okay, I'll save some time and leave it at "scons sucks"
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20091022 21:43:19< shadowmaster> (it's more convenient than other recipes for making multiple build configurations - if it didn't have that feature, I'd not be using it, really)
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20091022 21:44:02< loonycyborg> I tried extra_flags_release'foobar' and it caused exactly the responce I said.
20091022 21:44:29< shadowmaster> "v1.0.0.r3266" ?
20091022 21:45:07< loonycyborg> No. I have 1.2.0
20091022 21:45:16< boucman> wesbot: seen crab_
20091022 21:45:16< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 1d 7h ago.  21h 10m ago they left with the message: "Leaving."
20091022 21:45:23< shadowmaster> I guess their twisted 1.0 release goals didn't include this then
20091022 21:46:09< shadowmaster> mordante: re bug #13779 : do you at least remember where and when?
20091022 21:46:49< loonycyborg> I doubt that. Anything not having '=' or '--' would be definitely a target.
20091022 21:47:12< shadowmaster> targets can have ' ?
20091022 21:47:13< mordante> shadowmaster, dm before the showdown, might have something to do with the dots being drawn
20091022 21:47:53< loonycyborg> ' would be expanded by shell.
20091022 21:49:43< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: like http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d2492a541 ?
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20091022 21:52:06< shadowmaster> mordante: I see, thanks.
20091022 21:52:15< loonycyborg> Though if there was another target before extra_flags_release'foobar' it would be built before failing.
20091022 21:52:16< shadowmaster> much more helpful than the current responses in the tracker.
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20091022 21:56:28< mordante> shadowmaster, you managed to reproduce it?
20091022 21:56:37< shadowmaster> yes
20091022 21:56:56< mordante> ah ok, I wanted to do that later
20091022 21:57:09< mordante> just posted there to let you know the bug still occured
20091022 21:57:51< shadowmaster> yes, I saw that in my email inbox
20091022 21:57:59< shadowmaster> that's why I asked you for more details here.
20091022 21:58:47< mordante> I assumed that, but the dots were a wild guess ;-)
20091022 21:59:49< CIA-45> shadowmaster * r39415 /trunk/misc/fortunes/wesnoth: Small addition.
20091022 22:00:12< shadowmaster> I don't understand why I can't change the bug's properties (status, category, release)
20091022 22:01:04< mordante> shadowmaster, you can't change it or doesn't it save your changes
20091022 22:01:22< shadowmaster> it doesn't save my changes
20091022 22:01:48< shadowmaster> trying to change status to COnfirmed, release to "1.7.0 - 1.7.7", OS to "any" and category to "User Interface"
20091022 22:02:34< shadowmaster> interesting, my changes show up in the History section.
20091022 22:02:48< shadowmaster> but not elsewher.
20091022 22:02:49< mordante> shadowmaster, seems to happen every now and then... 
20091022 22:03:03< mordante> already filed a report at gna...
20091022 22:03:22< shadowmaster> okay, how annoying :(
20091022 22:03:57< shadowmaster> https://gna.org/bugs/?14577 <- maybe change to Need Info?
20091022 22:05:43< mordante> definitely you want to do it or should I?
20091022 22:07:11< shadowmaster> nah, you.
20091022 22:10:31< mordante> will do after testing my current bug fix
20091022 22:11:10< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I started uploading Wesnoth_1.7.7.dmg yesterday - do I need to change the name now?
20091022 22:11:18< Ivanovic> no idea
20091022 22:11:41< shadowmaster> crimson_penguin: uh, what revision?
20091022 22:11:57< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: this is sf.net stuff
20091022 22:12:16< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: yes, but I don't think he has a time travel machine?
20091022 22:12:30< shadowmaster> I mean, there were some code changes since yesterday's attempted release revision
20091022 22:12:33< crimson_penguin> shadowmaster: well, it was the revision that was going to bed 1.7.7
20091022 22:12:35< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: i don't know how deleting of files works these days at sf.net
20091022 22:12:38 * loonycyborg is disappointed how the command needed to upload a file to FRS did grow in complexity.
20091022 22:12:39< crimson_penguin> so now I've got a new dmg which is updated
20091022 22:12:58< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: right, I don't know how SF.net is supposed to work at all nowadays  :p
20091022 22:13:28< shadowmaster> good that it seems to work for you!
20091022 22:13:55< loonycyborg> rsync -avP -e ssh wesnoth-1.7.7-win32.exe loonycyborg,wesnoth@frs.sourceforge.net:/home/frs/project/w/we/wesnoth/wesnoth/wesnoth-1.7.7/
20091022 22:14:34< CIA-45> mordante * r39416 /trunk/src/text.cpp: 
20091022 22:14:34< CIA-45> Reenable the warning.
20091022 22:14:34< CIA-45> The bug hasn't been fixed yet but will be in the next commit.
20091022 22:14:41< CIA-45> mordante * r39417 /trunk/ (changelog src/text.cpp): 
20091022 22:14:41< CIA-45> Fix truncating the campaign description.
20091022 22:14:41< CIA-45> A better fix than the previous version, it makes sure that other items
20091022 22:14:41< CIA-45> aren't rendered too wide. Still feels like a bug in pango, but need to
20091022 22:14:41< CIA-45> ask upstream about that.
20091022 22:14:41< loonycyborg> Though I don't need to move the file to proper place through web gui now, which is good..
20091022 22:14:47< crimson_penguin> well, guess I'll just change it, to be safe then
20091022 22:17:51< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: wait
20091022 22:17:57< Ivanovic> looks like i found out how to delete the old entry
20091022 22:18:06< Ivanovic> so you can probably just upload with the "right" and normal name
20091022 22:18:50< crimson_penguin> ok, deleted now?
20091022 22:19:06< crimson_penguin> you'll have to delete the other partial one too, since I already started
20091022 22:19:44< mordante> I'm off night
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20091022 23:02:24< shadowmaster> interesting, the add-ons dialog doesn't look too awful in 800x480
20091022 23:03:02< shadowmaster> ah, some columns are removed :(
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20091022 23:03:32< shadowmaster> may still be possible to allow for more characters for the Name column contents.
20091022 23:04:39< Aethaeryn> Yes, please. "Thunderstone Supremacy" > "TE Supremacy"
20091022 23:04:49< Aethaeryn> Best part is that it'll take so long to complete that the GUI will be rewritten by then ;)
20091022 23:05:45< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/addon_name.png <- I can't find any justification for this (note the column size and the add-on's name being truncated regardless)
20091022 23:05:57< shadowmaster> what do you think, people (except Aethaeryn)?
20091022 23:07:07< Aethaeryn> O.O
20091022 23:07:38< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I find a reason. Download and Size columns are missing. :P
20091022 23:07:50< shadowmaster> and that's an example of the kind of responses I do not want. Nexto ne.
20091022 23:07:51< shadowmaster> *one
20091022 23:10:17< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: 1.7.7 windows installer is uploaded.
20091022 23:11:01< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: you don't happen to know why add-on names are only allowed to be much shorter than the Name column size in the downloads dialog with smallgui?
20091022 23:11:17< shadowmaster> trying to find a revelant commit..
20091022 23:11:39< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: As I said, two columns are missing.
20091022 23:11:45< Aethaeryn> In your screenshot
20091022 23:13:01< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: and you a) didn't read what I said some time before linking the screenshot; b) already gave your opinion long ago and c) were not asked for opinion now. :/
20091022 23:14:06 * shadowmaster is of course using smallgui for comparison, the name column size happens to be more or less the same for any other configuration
20091022 23:16:16< Aethaeryn> ah, missed one line
20091022 23:16:20< Aethaeryn> one line makes the difference
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20091022 23:28:55< Soliton> src/playcampaign.cpp:584:#ifdef TINY_GUI  that's the only place with TINY_GUI instead of USE_TINY_GUI. typo?
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20091022 23:29:46< shadowmaster> yes, typo indeed.
20091022 23:30:51< Soliton> will you fix it?
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20091022 23:39:02< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: you know, i was never aware the smallgui behaves differently regarding the addon dialog
20091022 23:39:12< Ivanovic> since it has just the same width as normal windows
20091022 23:39:26< shadowmaster> I wasn't either.
20091022 23:39:33< shadowmaster> (so, no, it's not my fault!)
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20091022 23:40:11< CIA-45> soliton * r39418 /trunk/src/playcampaign.cpp: use the proper define for tiny gui
20091022 23:40:20< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: if something strange is going on there, uhm, ask mordante
20091022 23:40:32< shadowmaster> nah, that's GUI1 and mordnate has nothing to do with it.
20091022 23:40:47< Ivanovic> even worse...
20091022 23:40:48< Ivanovic> ;)
20091022 23:40:49< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: but is there any reason that at any resolution the add-on names are truncated even while there's still space for them?
20091022 23:41:06< Soliton> no...
20091022 23:41:06< shadowmaster> (as in, the column is still wider than the truncated names)
20091022 23:41:20< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: there is a reason
20091022 23:41:23< Ivanovic> it is called "bug"
20091022 23:41:25< Ivanovic> ;)
20091022 23:41:30< shadowmaster> no, it looks like a misfeature.
20091022 23:43:09< shadowmaster> or a not-very-well-implemented feature. There's explicit code for truncating names to 20 characters and authors to 16 characters, but no code for setting to column widths
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20091022 23:56:48< shadowmaster> yeah, not truncating them causes some unpleasant results.
20091022 23:57:10< shadowmaster> and still, the "Publish add-on: x" entries arenever truncated.
20091022 23:57:51< shadowmaster> so that's why the Name column is always very long for me :>
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