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20091024 01:21:15-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.7.7, announcing "soon" | string/feature freeze active! | 96 bugs, 239 feature requests, 11 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20091024 01:36:31< YogiHH> hello from san francisco :)
20091024 01:37:22< shadowmaster> hi YogiHH 
20091024 01:39:25< Ivanovic> hi YogiHH
20091024 01:39:28< Sirp> YogiHH: you made it huh? :)
20091024 01:39:32< Ivanovic> YogiHH: you managed to contact sapient?
20091024 01:39:41< YogiHH> Sirp: yep
20091024 01:39:54< Ivanovic> YogiHH: sapient asked me several hours ago for your phone number, was not around at that time though
20091024 01:39:56< Sirp> YogiHH: I hope you're having fun. :)
20091024 01:40:07< Ivanovic> mailed him the phone number i got from you at last fosdem
20091024 01:40:11< YogiHH> Ivanovic: not today, but we agreed that i will be picking him up from the airport tonight
20091024 01:40:24< YogiHH> Ivanovic: yes, that's the correct one
20091024 01:40:40< Ivanovic> posted the number i mailed him in a query
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20091024 01:41:23< Ivanovic> sapient will arrive using Delta Air Lines, Flight 69
20091024 01:41:37< Ivanovic> expected arrival: 09:26 pm
20091024 01:42:42< Ivanovic> http://www.flysfo.com/flightcheck/detail?airline=DL&flightNum=69
20091024 01:43:29< YogiHH> Ivanovic: Gate 46, i know ;-)
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20091024 01:48:30< Ivanovic> okay, really got to head off to bed, n8
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20091024 09:19:23< CIA-45> zookeeper * r39427 /trunk/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/10_Alone_at_Last.cfg: Fixed a bug making it impossible to pick up the book again if dropped by a player unit.
20091024 09:19:38< zookeeper> wow, that bug had been there for at least almost a year.
20091024 09:29:09< Ivanovic> lovely
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20091024 11:10:11< zookeeper> bug: wolves get goblin names.
20091024 11:11:25 * zookeeper still thinks it was silly to make wolf riders wolves instead of goblins
20091024 11:13:20< zookeeper> (unless they've always been that way...can't find such a change)
20091024 11:13:53< zookeeper> ah, got it, r29910
20091024 11:14:31< boucman> zookeeper: it can always be changed...
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20091024 11:15:30< zookeeper> i guess it was changed so that dim, weak and slow wouldn't get applied to them
20091024 11:15:58< zookeeper> i'd rather see it changed back to goblin and the traits simply overridden by the unit type
20091024 11:16:49< zookeeper> since there doesn't seem to be a way to make units receive random names according to their race
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20091024 11:42:13< mordante> servus
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20091024 12:29:36< noy> zookeeper: whats the problem?
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20091024 12:43:03< silene> hi
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20091024 13:57:38< Soliton> zookeeper: to me the race/traits seem more of the defining part than the name.
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20091024 14:11:00< Soliton> fendrin: the team color of loyal units is still one that is normally available for a team, yes?
20091024 14:16:45< Soliton> hmm no, doesn't look like it.
20091024 14:17:07< fendrin> Soliton: No, but it's too similar.
20091024 14:17:59< Soliton> still bug #14591 is not correct why did you just mark it in progress?
20091024 14:18:26< fendrin> Soliton: I am going to revert the whole loyal team color thing again. UMC which don't use the normal red team color for side one will look strange.
20091024 14:18:52< Soliton> yeah, ok.
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20091024 14:21:12< fendrin> shadowmaster: https://gna.org/bugs/?14425 Kromph has to die, hasn't he? If we don't get red of him by eloh we need a good accident for him.
20091024 14:21:59< Soliton> well, why does he need to die?
20091024 14:31:16< fendrin> Soliton: That is my question. I guess there is no further speech in the campaign for him. No more filters that check that the golem doesn't trigger events not suitable for him.
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20091024 14:32:24< Soliton> yeah, i suppose.
20091024 14:33:25< Soliton> i guess you just need to make the dialog when he dies clearer though i don't remember it being that bad.
20091024 14:35:39< fendrin> What should his dialog be if eloh hasn't possesed him before she dies?
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20091024 14:38:42< Soliton> can't we just make sure she does?
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20091024 14:41:51< Soliton> i'd just put the event earlier.
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20091024 16:02:36< zookeeper> Soliton, well, sure, but we still need a way to make wolves not get goblin names
20091024 16:02:50< zookeeper> currently there's no proper way
20091024 16:02:56< zookeeper> (except changing the race)
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20091024 16:40:44< fendrin> zookeeper: Keep the race and change cavelary from humans to horse.
20091024 16:47:14< Soliton> zookeeper: generate_name=no
20091024 17:01:20< CIA-45> fendrin * r39428 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/06a_In_the_Tunnels_of_Trolls.cfg: UtbS 6a: Simplified the coding of a healing fountain.
20091024 17:01:39< AI0867> wesbot: bug 12835
20091024 17:01:40< wesbot> Bug #12835  Assigned to: None  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20091024 17:01:40< wesbot> Summary: Option to Disable Camera Centering
20091024 17:01:40< wesbot> Original submission: I've been gathering feedback from friends, and this seems
20091024 17:01:43< wesbot>  to be the most important issue.When holding matches on large maps - especia
20091024 17:01:46< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12835
20091024 17:01:49< AI0867> wesbot: bug 3116
20091024 17:01:50< wesbot> Bug #3116  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 1 - Later
20091024 17:01:50< wesbot> Summary: scroll lock, map events
20091024 17:01:50< wesbot> Original submission: I've just "participated" to a multiplayer (4 brilliant fi
20091024 17:01:53< wesbot> ghters) game as an Observer. Quite impossible to understand who is who, and who 
20091024 17:01:56< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?3116
20091024 17:02:27< zookeeper> Soliton, doesn't really make sense since you might not know what unit you're spawning when you use [unit] (like in a survival or whatever)
20091024 17:03:08< zookeeper> not to mention that generated names just shouldn't be plain wrong for any unit type
20091024 17:03:57< Soliton> which is why i suggest putting it in the unit type...
20091024 17:04:21< Soliton> i don't understand your second statement.
20091024 17:07:29< CIA-45> fendrin * r39429 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/09_Blood_is_Thicker_Than_Water.cfg: 
20091024 17:07:29< CIA-45> UtbS 09: Nested the event that drive Kromph mad after Eloh's death in the event where he switches sides.
20091024 17:07:29< CIA-45> It's still unclear if a surviving Kromph doesn't break the campaign's later scenarios.
20091024 17:07:30< CIA-45> This is an untested fix for bug #14425.
20091024 17:07:36< zookeeper> err, did you mean that generate_name=no can be used in [unit_type]?
20091024 17:07:52< Soliton> yes.
20091024 17:08:06< zookeeper> aha, it all makes sense now
20091024 17:08:17< zookeeper> i'll add that to the wolf then
20091024 17:09:18< Soliton> ok, i'll commit a fix for non-config created units where the name is generated regardless atm.
20091024 17:09:54< zookeeper> i presume that if you then use [unit] type=Wolf generate_name=yes [/unit] then the name is still generated?
20091024 17:10:37< zookeeper> that's not a big problem though if generate_name= defaults to yes there (if the unit type doesn't specify otherwise), i don't remember if it does.
20091024 17:10:42< Soliton> the config is merged with the unit type's so that should work.
20091024 17:10:59< Soliton> generate_name defaults to no.
20091024 17:11:13< zookeeper> right
20091024 17:11:21< Soliton> i'm not sure that's the best default though.
20091024 17:11:51< zookeeper> i'd think that when merging, the single unit stuff takes precedence?
20091024 17:12:09< Soliton> yeah, i'd think so, too. :-)
20091024 17:12:09< zookeeper> since you can override stuff like description= etc for single units
20091024 17:13:07< Soliton> how about changing the default for generate_name to yes?
20091024 17:13:33< Soliton> currently it is basically that way for debug created units since it gives names regardless.
20091024 17:14:01< zookeeper> sounds fine to me, it makes sense as the default
20091024 17:14:04< Soliton> i don't really see a downside.
20091024 17:14:29< Soliton> if someone really doesn't want a name they can say so explicitely but in general i think it's awkward.
20091024 17:14:35< zookeeper> as long as the implicit generate_name=yes doesn't override an explicitly given name
20091024 17:15:13< Soliton> yeah, a good point. i think it doesn't check that atm.
20091024 17:15:28< Soliton> so if you give a name and generate_name=yes...
20091024 17:15:55< zookeeper> anyway, i think the most elegant fix to the wolf goblin names would be to just allow male_names= and female_names= in [unit_type] as well
20091024 17:16:07< zookeeper> so then we could give an empty list for the wolves
20091024 17:16:45< Soliton> well, for the empty case i think generate_names=no is quite fine but in general you're right.
20091024 17:16:47< zookeeper> it's not very far-fetched to want different types of units of the same race to have different names
20091024 17:18:28< Soliton> currently it's tied a bit into race specifically but shouldn't be difficult to change.
20091024 17:18:36< Soliton> maybe add an easy coding task?
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20091024 17:22:36< zookeeper> sounds good to me
20091024 17:25:40< AI0867> alink: why did you remove [side] hidden=yes from hidden sides?
20091024 17:27:17< Soliton> which commit?
20091024 17:27:52< Soliton> might have been a mistake when removing [unit] hidden=yes.
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20091024 17:35:53< CIA-45> fendrin * r39430 /trunk/data/core/macros/traits.cfg: 
20091024 17:35:53< CIA-45> Revert part of r38596. Defining a new team color for loyal units will make problems with UMC that don't use the normal red team coloration for side one.
20091024 17:35:53< CIA-45> This fixes bug #14591.
20091024 17:42:47< CIA-45> ai0867 * r39431 /trunk/data/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20091024 17:42:47< CIA-45> Revert "remove now useless hidden=yes from [side]", hidden=yes is quite useful.
20091024 17:42:47< CIA-45> This reverts commit 39126.
20091024 17:46:59< AI0867> wesbot: topic
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20091024 18:09:09< CIA-45> soliton * r39432 /trunk/src/unit.cpp: properly generate traits the first time so we don't have to do it twice
20091024 18:09:29< CIA-45> soliton * r39433 /trunk/src/ (unit.cpp unit.hpp): 
20091024 18:09:29< CIA-45> default to true for generate_name
20091024 18:09:29< CIA-45> made it so we don't generate names if there already is one
20091024 18:09:29< CIA-45> put the name generation logic inside generate_name() so it's used uniformly everywhere
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20091024 18:30:45< Ivanovic> time to finally announce 1.7.7
20091024 18:30:54< Ivanovic> Soliton: have you already blocked 1.7.6 from the mp server?
20091024 18:32:02< CIA-45> ivanovic * r39434 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updated Finnish translation
20091024 18:33:07< Soliton> Ivanovic: nope. i will once you announced.
20091024 18:33:14< Ivanovic> Soliton: okay
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20091024 18:57:19< CIA-45> soliton * r39435 /trunk/data/core/units/monsters/Wolf.cfg: don't gernate names for wolves
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20091024 19:00:10< Ivanovic> 1.7.7 announcement: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27569
20091024 19:05:26< Ivanovic> updated the frontpage
20091024 19:09:05< mordante> Ivanovic, the forum s/seventh/eight/
20091024 19:09:11< mordante> eighth*
20091024 19:09:57< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: btw should LANGUAGE fallback have been mentioned in the changelog?
20091024 19:10:09< mordante> yes
20091024 19:10:28< loonycyborg> I've forgot about changelog since don't do much changelog affecting changes usually..
20091024 19:11:22< mordante> Ivanovic, frontpage s/eigth/eighth/
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20091024 19:27:27< CIA-45> ai0867 * r39436 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Remove useless [unit] [status] hidden=yes
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20091024 19:28:13< AI0867> Soliton: alink removed the wrong hidden=yes, he removed [side] hidden=yes while he made [unit] [status] hidden=yes obsolete
20091024 19:28:22< mordante> I'm off bye
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20091024 19:40:59< YogiHH> hello there
20091024 19:46:30< Ivanovic> hi YogiHH
20091024 19:46:41< Ivanovic> YogiHH: at the google hq atm?
20091024 19:46:45< Ivanovic> already had the breakfast?
20091024 19:47:13< YogiHH> yes and yes (i didn't expect that one could find such excellent food in america) :-)
20091024 19:47:29< Ivanovic> yeah, catering was really good
20091024 19:48:12< YogiHH> for me as a vegetarian it is like paradise - and there is not only much to choose from, it tastes well, too
20091024 19:52:03< Sirp> YogiHH: yeah at Google they do a very good job catering to vegetarians.
20091024 19:52:31< Sirp> well, they do a very good job catering to everyone's food tastes. :)
20091024 19:52:43< YogiHH> indeed :-)
20091024 19:53:52< YogiHH> be back later
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20091024 20:09:25< loonycyborg> Is it permissible to update changelog after the release with the change already happened? :P
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20091024 21:14:15< shadowmaster> fendrin: yes, Kromph has to die. I guess quartex made it so since having that guy around for too long may overpower the player when fightiing e.g skeletons in Zocthanol
20091024 21:15:02< shadowmaster> but I can't think of any good in-story excuse for his other (forced) death right now.
20091024 21:16:37< zookeeper> if you want to limit kromph's lifespan in some un-annoying way, maybe just have a set number of attacks he can ever engage in? he's a bit like a golem or something, so maybe he'll just break after fighting x times or something.
20091024 21:17:30< zookeeper> sure the player could still just keep him out of fights until the last scenario(s) and use his overpoweredness there, but maybe that's not a huge problem.
20091024 21:17:39< Aethaeryn> what campaign?
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20091024 21:20:48< Aethaeryn> Oh, UtBS... I don't remember Kromph...
20091024 21:22:37< shadowmaster> or maybe he just lasts for N time-of-day cycles.
20091024 21:23:16< shadowmaster> (e.g. then it starts falling apart, getting his maximum HP and attack strength reduced every single turn until he collapses into a pile of flesh)
20091024 21:23:50< CIA-45> fendrin * r39437 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/23_End_of_War.cfg: LoW 23: Removed a kill event nested in a last breath event for the same unit. That should be very obsolete.
20091024 21:24:42< CIA-45> fendrin * r39438 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/09_Bounty_hunters.cfg: LoW 9: Redone a filter for storing the Kalian guard.
20091024 21:25:03< zookeeper> shadowmaster, that'd be rather annoying for the player to try to control though
20091024 21:25:36< zookeeper> alternatively maybe he could just be given a huge number of HP without the ability to ever heal at all :P
20091024 21:26:12< shadowmaster> Desert Druid: "I don't know what this thing is made of, I can't fix it!"
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20091024 21:28:23< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: that's a good idea.
20091024 21:28:37< Aethaeryn> What about healing by villages and resting, though?
20091024 21:28:52< Aethaeryn> Even if he has 1000 HP, you can recover him 2 HP at a time by resting him.
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20091024 22:14:23< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: for the announcement: when you say "Beside this" you seem to actually mean "Besides this", e.g. "Additionally", "In addition", etc.
20091024 22:15:33 * shadowmaster also finds "Besides this" a bit awkward and would use "Additioally" instead.
20091024 22:15:42< shadowmaster> *Additionally.
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20091024 23:19:08< CIA-45> fendrin * r39439 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/09_Bounty_hunters.cfg: LoW 09: Added a filter rule for not storing Kalenz to the Kalian guard.
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20091024 23:36:30< shadowmaster> boucman: you confused art development with workshop!
20091024 23:36:38< shadowmaster> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=390810#p390810 :p
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20091024 23:39:59< CIA-45> fendrin * r39440 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/07_Elves_last_stand.cfg: LoW 07: Disable the ai controller after 7 again.
20091024 23:46:53< crimson_penguin> with the new SDL on Mac, the scenario objectives have a weird blue background
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20091024 23:54:48< crimson_penguin> http://wesnoth.happyspork.com/blue_objectives.png
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