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20091029 00:06:18< Soliton> depends what you mean. all versions are in svn.
20091029 00:16:13< norbert_> in http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/branches/1.0/ somewhere?
20091029 00:16:50< norbert_> I think it only holds 1.0-1.6?
20091029 00:20:12< crimson_penguin> well Wesnoth didn't start with a repository, so there is some history missing
20091029 00:20:33< crimson_penguin> I made Windows and Mac builds of Wesnoth 0.1 a while ago... or maybe just Mac? I can't even remember
20091029 00:21:15-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: string/feature freeze active! | 88 bugs, 237 feature requests, 10 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091029 00:21:20< norbert_> ehm, ok, how can I get the 0.1 source? (preferable for GNU/Linux or *nix)
20091029 00:24:17< Espreon> Look in "tags".
20091029 00:27:20< norbert_> there's only [wesnoth] / tags / 1.0, as far as I can tell?
20091029 00:27:40< norbert_> I'm not an svn expert though
20091029 00:27:44< norbert_> might miss something
20091029 00:28:49< Espreon> Look under "Files shown:".
20091029 00:31:06< norbert_> those are the files tagged 1.0
20091029 00:31:12< norbert_> I'm looking for 0.1
20091029 00:31:16< norbert_> or older
20091029 00:33:09< Espreon> If you utilize the drop-down menu, you can access what you desire...
20091029 00:33:39< norbert_> err
20091029 00:33:44< norbert_> I'm here http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/tags/1.0/
20091029 00:34:00< norbert_> there's only 1 drop down menu and it doesn't allow me to access what I desire :|
20091029 00:34:11< Espreon> Oh wellz...
20091029 00:35:06< Soliton> look one directory up... but svn has just from version 0.4 onward.
20091029 00:35:11< norbert_> crimson_penguin: could you tell me about the location where you obtained the 0.1 version?
20091029 00:43:41< Aethaeryn> norbert_: there's a thread with Wesnoth 0.1 through 0.4
20091029 00:43:46< Aethaeryn> search the forums.
20091029 00:44:01< norbert_> ok, thanks
20091029 00:44:15< Aethaeryn> I recall seeing it a week ago but cannot see the link. I remember Dave posted 0.1 and people were amazed by how far it came, that Konrad was an elf, and that elves were lawful :P
20091029 00:44:39< norbert_> :)
20091029 00:44:45< Aethaeryn> If you cannot find it, check logs for #Wesnoth-umc-dev within the last 2 weeks
20091029 00:44:49< Aethaeryn> because I think that's where it was brought up
20091029 00:44:58< norbert_> ok
20091029 01:01:30< norbert_> lol http://www.wesnoth.org/images/sshots/ancient-01.png
20091029 01:01:49< norbert_> come a long way :)
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20091029 01:10:44< norbert_> apparently it used to be up at http://wesnoth.whitevine.net
20091029 01:10:52< norbert_> so I can use archive.org on that
20091029 01:17:22< norbert_> screenshot at freshmeat is also pretty old http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/7c/8f/7c8fd8897bd1ada0d2bf74c86110d4c2_medium.jpg?1237051981
20091029 01:43:38< norbert_> well, I did find a thread/poll about when people started playing, but no download for 0.1
20091029 01:44:09< Aethaeryn> norbert_: check logs of #Wesnoth-umc-dev from the past week or two, searching 0.1
20091029 01:44:14< norbert_> I did
20091029 01:44:15< Aethaeryn> or I will 
20091029 01:44:18< Aethaeryn> I'll find it for ya
20091029 01:44:20< norbert_> I looked for "version"
20091029 01:44:29< Aethaeryn> I'll look at my own personal logs
20091029 01:44:34< norbert_> I'll try looking for "0.1" as well
20091029 01:44:35< shadowmaster> not necessary.
20091029 01:44:36< Aethaeryn> that have the whole channel in one file
20091029 01:44:43< Aethaeryn> then I'll find the day, and thus be able to find the link to the thraed
20091029 01:44:51< shadowmaster> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=327056#p327056
20091029 01:45:05< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Do you have #Wesnoth-umc-dev on highlight or something?
20091029 01:45:06< norbert_> thanks :)
20091029 01:45:17< norbert_> cool
20091029 01:46:08< norbert_> link is not working though
20091029 01:46:12< norbert_> and it's not in archive.org
20091029 01:46:15< norbert_> :|
20091029 01:46:17< shadowmaster> ohhh :(
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20091029 01:46:45< Aethaeryn> norbert_: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=327924#p327924
20091029 01:46:52< Aethaeryn> Thankfully someone uploaded a slightly tweaked version of 0.1 :)
20091029 01:46:59< Aethaeryn> Same thread.
20091029 01:47:00< shadowmaster> yeah, but no 0.2 or 0.3.
20091029 01:47:13< Aethaeryn> True, I guess you'd have to track down Sirp personally and hope he has it :/
20091029 01:48:24< shadowmaster> or I can upload 0.2 and 0.1 to my website.
20091029 01:48:26< norbert_> Dave & Sirp are the same person?
20091029 01:48:33< shadowmaster> norbert_: yes.
20091029 01:48:36< norbert_> ok
20091029 01:49:13< Aethaeryn> Sirp is his IRC name.
20091029 01:49:22< Aethaeryn> Sirp_ actually. I'm not sure I've ever seen it without the underscore.
20091029 01:49:42< shadowmaster> yes, you have.
20091029 01:50:06< norbert_> !seen Sirp
20091029 01:50:12< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen Sirp
20091029 01:50:12< wesbot> Aethaeryn: The person with the nick Sirp last spoke 4d 6h ago.  4d 5h ago they left with the message: Read error: 148 (No route to host)
20091029 01:50:31< shadowmaster> in fact, Sirp is the account nick which has a cloak, Sirp_ isn't.
20091029 01:50:40< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: That's how mistaken memory can be.
20091029 01:50:40< norbert_> shadowmaster: can you DCC send me 0.1?
20091029 01:50:48< Aethaeryn> He might have only been Sirp_ once and that's the one I remember.
20091029 01:50:55< shadowmaster> norbert_: no, but I'll upload it to my website as I said above.
20091029 01:51:01< Aethaeryn> That's why eye witness accounts are sometimes unreliable.
20091029 01:51:24< norbert_> shadowmaster: okay
20091029 01:51:43< Soliton> http://files.wesnoth.org/old
20091029 01:52:25< shadowmaster> no 0.2 or 0.3 there either :(
20091029 01:53:25< norbert_> hum... a wesnoth-0.1-fixed.tar.gz
20091029 01:53:38< norbert_> let me check that out
20091029 01:53:39< shadowmaster> that probably comes from the post that Aethaeryn linked above.
20091029 01:53:47< norbert_> probably, yes
20091029 01:54:01< norbert_> yes, same file size
20091029 01:54:07< Aethaeryn> same name too
20091029 01:54:18< norbert_> yep
20091029 01:54:23< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth 1.0 is starting to be ancient, actually.
20091029 01:54:49< shadowmaster> not really, there was a commit to its SVN branch a few days ago!
20091029 01:54:51< Aethaeryn> If someone can host a server, I wouldn't mind organizing a Wesnoth 1.0 MP party the weekend before Wesnoth 2.0's release, whenever that is.
20091029 01:54:58< Aethaeryn> Just so you see how far Wesnoth's come.
20091029 01:55:23< shadowmaster> because you always have to fit in the picture, right?
20091029 01:55:41< norbert_> is the release date for 2.0 set?
20091029 01:55:42< Aethaeryn> Who knows, maybe Wesnoth will go the route of GNOME... I have 2.26.3 installed.
20091029 01:55:49< shadowmaster> norbert_: no.
20091029 01:55:51< Aethaeryn> norbert_: A release date isn't set for 1.8 yet.
20091029 01:55:54< norbert_> ok
20091029 01:56:07< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn is just indluging in self-promotion.
20091029 01:56:44< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster is just induldging in attacking Aethaeryn for alledged self-promotion. ;)
20091029 01:57:44< norbert_> tried a $ make and got http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/download/file.php?id=26324&mode=view
20091029 01:57:56< norbert_> but I'll spend some more time on it
20091029 01:59:00< Aethaeryn> I had that too
20091029 02:02:00< norbert_> so did shadowmaster, who uploaded that image in 2008 :)
20091029 02:03:04< norbert_> I'll bite my teeth into it the next couple of days
20091029 02:03:57< norbert_> maybe a conversion to 32 bpp
20091029 02:05:45< norbert_> the Windows versions works under Wine
20091029 02:07:17< norbert_> scrolling is super slow though and clicking on the upper right map doesn't work as it does nowadays :P
20091029 02:08:49< shadowmaster> it's more fun to find stuff that is still present in current wesnoth.
20091029 02:09:06< shadowmaster> (the maps with some changes and a different storyline, for example)
20091029 02:12:18< Aethaeryn> Nooooooooooo....
20091029 02:12:20< Aethaeryn> Geocities closed.
20091029 02:12:23< norbert_> yep
20091029 02:12:25< Aethaeryn> http://www.geocities.com/fmunoz_/wesnoth/tree.html <- this was the awesomest thing ever.
20091029 02:12:27< shadowmaster> old news already.
20091029 02:12:53< Aethaeryn> Fortunately, I saved it off in July.
20091029 02:13:03< norbert_> http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/10/26/1359223/Geocities-Shutting-Down-Todayhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/09/10/26/1359223/Geocities-Shutting-Down-Todayhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/09/10/26/1359223/Geocities-Shutting-Down-Today
20091029 02:13:11< norbert_> ehm, 3x same link?
20091029 02:13:38< Aethaeryn> http://web.archive.org/web/20031011114650/http://www.geocities.com/fmunoz_/wesnoth/tree.html <- does not have the images :(
20091029 02:14:12< Aethaeryn> it was so awesome to see the sprites that were still being used (spider), and the ones that were just touched up but looked essentially the same (orcish grunt for instance)
20091029 02:14:30< Aethaeryn> (elves too, touched up to new style but essentially like the old)
20091029 02:15:05< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: what Wesnoth version was 11 October 2003?
20091029 02:16:04< norbert_> 30 oct 2003 was 0.5
20091029 02:16:13< norbert_> 30 sept 2003 was 0.4.8
20091029 02:16:19< norbert_> according to Freshmeat
20091029 02:16:40< Aethaeryn> too old for SVN :(
20091029 02:16:47< Aethaeryn> or is it?
20091029 02:17:31< norbert_> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/tags/v0_4_8/?dir_pagestart=100
20091029 02:17:36< norbert_> that's 0.4.8
20091029 02:18:02< Aethaeryn> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/?rev=2
20091029 02:18:06< Aethaeryn> this is from the same time span.
20091029 02:18:25< norbert_> but I've seen older versions available for download via archive, at wesnoth.whitevine.net/downloads.htm
20091029 02:18:31< Aethaeryn> looks like the images aren't added until revision 3
20091029 02:18:47< Aethaeryn> Anyway, it's surprising how similar the art is to 0.4.8
20091029 02:19:09< Aethaeryn> And that some sprites are still there... Wesnoth 0.1's art was awful, but by 0.4.8 it at least attempted to have passable sprites
20091029 02:19:37< norbert_> yes, and some units still look like they do nowadays, including Konrad
20091029 02:21:33< norbert_> scrolling is just too slow in this version, I have to spend some time into getting it working natively so I can change the scrolling speed
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20091029 02:24:27< shadowmaster> wow. It looks like my connection was terminated after 0.3 MB.
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20091029 02:27:39< Aethaeryn> norbert_: actually, the cave spider is going to be replaced eventually, there's a good one that's now partially animated on the forums... and looking at the images it looks like after that only the cuttlefish will remain.
20091029 02:28:05< norbert_> ok
20091029 02:28:20< Aethaeryn> A lot of the existing sprites are similar in spirit, but have been touched up to varying degrees.
20091029 02:28:51< norbert_> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Ludwig_der_Squig/pixelart/cave_spider_melee.gif
20091029 02:28:58< Aethaeryn> Oh, chocobone, too, but that is being replaced too.
20091029 02:29:12< norbert_> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Ludwig_der_Squig/pixelart/spider_ranged_wip.gif
20091029 02:29:30< Aethaeryn> So it may be that at some point in 1.9 (the next development branch) the only thing left original from 0.4.8 will be the cuttlefish
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20091029 02:31:53< shadowmaster> norbert_: http://shadowm.rewound.net/junk/wesnoth-0.2.tar.gz by the way
20091029 02:32:14< norbert_> access forbidden
20091029 02:32:20< norbert_> but I'm already working on that 0.1 version :)
20091029 02:32:22< shadowmaster> um..
20091029 02:33:54< shadowmaster> norbert_: you can try again if you want.
20091029 02:34:10< norbert_> k, works, thanks
20091029 02:39:16< norbert_> 02.37, must... get... sleep...
20091029 02:39:19< norbert_> thanks; later
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20091029 03:42:57< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Damn, that Geocities stuff is sad.
20091029 03:43:22< Aethaeryn> Yahoo just wiping all of it, like no page had any value. I'm sure plenty of abandonned sites were interesting, you just needed to know where to look.
20091029 03:44:29< Aethaeryn> Is it any different than historical buildings being torn down to build modern skyscrapers, and all that history being lost in the process? In this age of rapid change, perhaps less will be left to remember us by than in the past.
20091029 03:44:46< shadowmaster> well, they at least tried to contact their users to back up or move their stuff AFAIK.
20091029 03:45:01< shadowmaster> (which of course doesn't work if some of those users do not exist anymore)
20091029 03:45:25< Aethaeryn> Yeah. Try to contact me for something I did back in 1999.
20091029 03:45:40< Aethaeryn> Oh wait, the only email I still check is Gmail, which didn't even exist back then.
20091029 03:47:43< Aethaeryn> I have a hotmail but the new interface is so hideous that I rarely even use it as a back up anymore.
20091029 03:47:57< Aethaeryn> Even that hotmail was probably since 2004, the old hotmail is gone. :P
20091029 03:49:25< shadowmaster> er, wow, I'm using 81 MB at my website.
20091029 03:49:34< shadowmaster> er, wrong channel ._.
20091029 03:50:14< Zarel> Aethaeryn: The difference is that historical buildings are only torn down because they're a good place to build modern skyscrapers.
20091029 03:50:22< Zarel> The same really can't be said about websites.
20091029 03:50:49< shadowmaster> anyway, bye Grand Crash backup of (some) wesnoth forum threads.
20091029 03:51:05< Zarel> Aethaeryn: Oh, I checked my Hotmail a few days ago, and apparently someone had e-mailed me about a program I wrote 8 years ago.
20091029 03:53:19< crimson_penguin> Aethaeryn: there are a few big archiving sites that probably have all of geocities
20091029 03:53:28< shadowmaster> eeeeeeeee
20091029 03:56:02< Aethaeryn> crimson_penguin: nope, archiving can be full of bugs. Such as the Wesnoth 0.4 unit tree I looked up earlier and it had no images, but the images were the point of the page.
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20091029 10:49:41< Ivanovic> moin
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20091029 13:46:31< broodkiller> howdie
20091029 13:47:20< broodkiller> I wonder if someone could shed some light on how is the team color shading done in wesnoth?
20091029 13:48:14< broodkiller> I just added team color support to Anima, but noticed that it doesn't look quite right, so there must be some special processing to it
20091029 13:53:59< fendrin> Ivanovic: Can I mark bugs against 1.6 as "won't fix" and close them? Or is still another release for the 1.6 branch planed?
20091029 13:54:17< Ivanovic> there are no more 1.6.x releases planned
20091029 13:54:30< Ivanovic> though you can ask for "does this also apply to the current dev version?"
20091029 13:54:43< Ivanovic> if that ain't possible anyway, just "won't fix" and close
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20091029 13:59:48< broodkiller> shadowmaster: ping
20091029 14:00:24< Rhonda> fendrin: If they are fixed in 1.7 closing them with that version makes more sense and is more verbose.
20091029 14:01:13< loonycyborg> broodkiller: Just tell what you want. He reads the logs.
20091029 14:01:16< fendrin> Rhonda: changing the version information always fails for me in gna. 
20091029 14:01:53< fendrin> gna reports success and claims to send emails to the usual suspects but the frontend doesn't show me the new version.
20091029 14:01:58< Rhonda> fendrin: At least adding a comment then that it's fixed for the upcoming 1.8 release. Sounds much more friendlier.
20091029 14:03:17< broodkiller> shadowmaster: I've found out about yours wesnoth-tc, and that it reflects how wesnoth proper does the team colours, the source is a bit obscure though...would you mind giving me a hint about where to look?
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20091029 16:14:33< AI0867> zookeeper: did you get my message?
20091029 16:14:48< AI0867> -> there's a report in the forums about holding out on TSG07b indefinitely
20091029 16:18:08< zookeeper> AI0867, uh, i don't think so. link?
20091029 16:20:20< zookeeper> well, anyway, i'll check it out later...
20091029 16:20:32< zookeeper> (tonight)
20091029 16:34:01< AI0867> zookeeper: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=391058#p391058
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20091029 17:05:06< CIA-58> esr * r39509 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/09_Blood_is_Thicker_Than_Water.cfg: Remove some WML that is dead and commented out.
20091029 17:07:40< esr> Ivanovic: You there?
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20091029 18:45:40< Ivanovic> esr: yes
20091029 18:49:49< esr> Ivanovic: Never mind.  I thought I was going to need a string freeze exception to fix a bug, but I found another way.
20091029 18:50:00< Ivanovic> okay
20091029 18:50:43< esr> I'm doing a triage pass.  Actually found six bugs I could dispose of.
20091029 18:51:48< zookeeper> AI0867, right, i'll take a look at it now
20091029 18:51:57< esr> Aha.  May just have found a 7th.
20091029 18:52:44< esr> Seems Mordante has fixed a couple of his ancient graphics bugs without noticing it.
20091029 18:56:06< esr> Yup. 7th one down.
20091029 18:56:13< esr> wesbot: topic
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20091029 18:56:38< esr> Seet.
20091029 18:56:57< esr> Grrr.  I meant: "Sweet".
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20091029 19:13:29< CIA-58> fendrin * r39510 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/deaths.cfg: LoW: Scroll back to a loyal dying unit.
20091029 19:14:47< CIA-58> fendrin * r39511 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/02_Hostile_mountains.map: LoW 02: Gave the trolls a path formed of hill terrain to speed up thier deployment.
20091029 19:15:30< CIA-58> fendrin * r39512 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/05_Saurian_Treasury.cfg: LoW 05: Gave the gold carrier a higher ai target priority.
20091029 19:18:45< esr> fendrin: Hi, I'm going to try to test your fix for bug #14047: Clash of storylines in UtbS.
20091029 19:19:42< fendrin> esr: nice
20091029 19:19:50< esr> zookeeper: Dos the debug command set support teleporting units?
20091029 19:20:52< fendrin> esr: not that I am aware off. Would be an awesome feature.
20091029 19:21:35< esr> It's what I need to test #14047 without going through contortions.
20091029 19:22:07< fendrin> esr: units can be teleported via the lua interface. 
20091029 19:22:25< fendrin> in theorie.
20091029 19:22:31< esr> How? Is this documented somewhere?
20091029 19:23:24< fendrin> esr: no not in detail. But you can trigger most of the direct action wml via events through the lua interface.
20091029 19:24:13< esr> Hm.
20091029 19:24:23< fendrin> esr: I will try to find it out.
20091029 19:25:14< fendrin> esr: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML
20091029 19:25:28< esr> Looking...
20091029 19:29:12< fendrin> esr: wesnoth.fire("teleport", { { "filter", { id="Kaleh" }},  x="5", y="8" })
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20091029 19:29:55< esr> eExecutable with a lue prefix on the command line?
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20091029 19:34:02< zookeeper> AI0867, well, on easy m'brin already gets 50 income and +50 gold whenever one of his units is killed...
20091029 19:34:42< fendrin> esr: right, use the lua prefix on the ingame commandline.
20091029 19:34:53< esr> OK, I'll try it.
20091029 19:34:57< zookeeper> i guess i'll just make it so that he'll start to get progressively more income or unit spawns after x turns
20091029 19:36:51< esr> fendrin: That's interesting...I changed level to Out Of The Frying Pan and some dwarves showed up just after start. Is that a recent change?
20091029 19:38:40< fendrin> esr: If it is I missed it, maybe shadowmaster introduced it.
20091029 19:39:07< esr> Looking...
20091029 19:39:30< fendrin> esr: The teleportation via lua works like a charme but I miss a commandline history and cut and paste.
20091029 19:39:40< zookeeper> a-ha. he only gets the +50 gold once! i'll change that to first_time_only=no and that'd very much make it much harder to hold out too long.
20091029 19:41:32< esr> fendrin: Why don't you test #14047 with it, then?  I was going to, but I don't have ant saves with Zhul in them.  Evidently you have to platy through The Morning After for her to be on your recall list.
20091029 19:41:44< CIA-58> zookeeper * r39513 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/07b_Pebbles_In_The_Flood.cfg: Made M'Brin receive extra gold every time one of his units is killed, not just the first time. Also lowered the amount from 50/75/125 to 50/65/80.
20091029 19:43:10< fendrin> esr: Same with keratur and certain other variables and stuff. UtbS is very test unfriendly.
20091029 19:43:48< esr> Hm, yeah, too much state in variables.
20091029 19:45:04< esr> At one time I knew the UtBS code well enough to do something about that. but I don't know. 
20091029 19:45:05< fendrin> esr: And in most cases this is not necessary. It's just old code from times were there hadn't been nested events and the filter's hadn't today's capabilities.
20091029 19:45:51< fendrin> My idea was to leave that bug alone and wait for early adopters to report.
20091029 19:46:46< esr> But people tend not to report the absence of a bug they don't know has been filed...
20091029 19:50:08< fendrin> I don't get that sentence. You fear that the bug will never be closed?
20091029 19:55:12< Sapient> it would make less sense to report the absence of a bug you do know has been filed
20091029 19:55:38< Sapient> or maybe you mean absence from the game, not absence from the tracker
20091029 20:01:05< fendrin> Right, the bug is fixed that is sure. I just don't know about side effects. So I close the bug and let the beta testers do their job.
20091029 20:02:34< fendrin> wesbot: seen crab ?
20091029 20:02:34< wesbot> fendrin: Sorry, I don't know of crab.
20091029 20:02:48< fendrin> wesbot: seen crab_ ?
20091029 20:02:48< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 2d 2h ago.  16h 43m ago they left with the message: "Leaving."
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20091029 20:10:17< fendrin> ilor: ping
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20091029 20:21:32< esr> fendrin: Er, but you din't close the bug.  I guess I will.
20091029 20:23:04< Ivanovic> ilor: you saw that the new mp lobby is active by default now?
20091029 20:23:25< esr> Well. No, not declare it "Closed".
20091029 20:23:26< Ivanovic> ilor: that is: feel free to do some cleaup and the likes to make it look nicely for the next release which will be called "beta 1"
20091029 20:23:34< ilor> Ivanovic: uh, no, thnks for the heads-up
20091029 20:23:38 * esr treats in terminological confusion
20091029 20:23:45< ilor> got tangled up with lots of uni stuff lately
20091029 20:23:48< esr> retreats, I mean.
20091029 20:23:52< ilor> fendrin: pong but off in a second
20091029 20:23:53< Ivanovic> ilor: yeah, happens
20091029 20:24:19< ilor> stuff should settle a bit in around 2-3 weeks after I'm through with some seminars
20091029 20:24:58< fendrin> ilor: Something has changed with map setup that made LoW very ugly. 
20091029 20:25:12< ilor> fendrin: map setup?
20091029 20:25:41< esr> ilor: Are you planning to fix  #14011 (Map Editor cannot browse to a different drive) before 1.8, or should I move that to FR status?
20091029 20:26:04< fendrin> ilor: I blank out some part of the maps by converting them to void. But since some versions the borders are no longer converted. 
20091029 20:26:21< ilor> I seriously hope to fix that or at least inroduce a working workaround
20091029 20:26:28< ilor> esr^
20091029 20:26:34< esr> OK.
20091029 20:26:44< ilor> fendrin: still not sure what the problem is
20091029 20:27:02< ilor> fendrin: and I need to go, elaborate a bit I'll read it tomorrow
20091029 20:27:22< ilor> anyway there weren't any border-handling changes that I can remember ie since 1.5
20091029 20:27:27< fendrin> ilor: All right.
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20091029 20:43:22< fendrin> zookeeper: Do you know a way to give a unit experience during an event and let the player see it happeneing?
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20091029 20:46:33< zookeeper> well, see it in what way?
20091029 20:46:45< zookeeper> you don't usually see units getting XP, after all..
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20091029 20:55:37< silene> hi
20091029 21:15:39< crimson_penguin> hi silene 
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20091029 22:05:34< stikonas> Espreon: When I'm localizing the maps the same text in Monotype Corsiva font look a bit wider then in an original English labels, is this OK?
20091029 22:06:33< Espreon> Are you sure that you are using Monotype Corsiva Italic at thirteen point with hinter and force auto-hinter enabled?
20091029 22:08:22< Espreon> stikonas: ^
20091029 22:09:41< stikonas> Espreon: It seems so
20091029 22:10:19< Espreon> So, the letters are wider than they are in the original?
20091029 22:11:07< stikonas> yeah, a few pixels in the whole word
20091029 22:12:11< Espreon> What is the exact thing you are translating and what is the translation?
20091029 22:12:46< stikonas> eg, Rumyr
20091029 22:13:01< stikonas> in Lithuanian that would be Rumyras
20091029 22:13:44< stikonas> and I've notices that the second r is already further to the right
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20091029 22:15:43< Espreon> Um, the letters are the same size. If you are referring to the fact that the translated text is longer than the original, then it is all right.
20091029 22:16:04< Espreon> If the text is centered against something in the original, I'd center it in the translation overlay.
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20091029 22:19:25< Espreon> Eh, then again, the letters seem to be slightly larger, but it doesn't matter.
20091029 22:19:28< stikonas> well, my letters are wider
20091029 22:19:44< stikonas> ok, they will do
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20091029 22:23:08< Espreon> Yeah, unless they are blatantly larger, don't worry about it.
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20091029 22:55:11< esr> wesbot: topic
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20091029 22:55:45< esr> Down to 74 bugs from 87.  YThat's a good day's work.
20091029 22:55:57< Ivanovic> :)
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20091029 23:05:27< esr> Are any Windows devs handy?
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20091029 23:08:23< loonycyborg> esr: I have windows in virtualbox. Is that enough? :P
20091029 23:09:50< esr> Maybe.  Would you see if bug #14602 (Game hangs when I press 'End Scenario' button) reproduces for you?  It's from 1.6 - if it doesn't reproduce now I think we can mark it Need Info or Fixed.
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20091029 23:23:44< loonycyborg> esr: I can reproduce it on linux with 1.6.5
20091029 23:24:27< loonycyborg> Wait.. It's just taking a long time, it did continue after a while.
20091029 23:24:33< esr> What about 1.7.x? I tried to reproduce it under Linux with 1.7.x and could not.
20091029 23:24:42< loonycyborg> NR sure is a cpu hog :P
20091029 23:24:52< esr> Yeah, lots of units.
20091029 23:25:02< Ivanovic> it is a cpu *killer* (and don't forget the ram!)
20091029 23:25:19< Ivanovic> that is: in general windows seems to be a lot more problematic than linux...
20091029 23:25:53< esr> What I really want to know is if it reproduces in 1.7.x under Windows. If not, it was a 1.6 problem and I can mark it Fixed.
20091029 23:26:24< esr> "windows seems to be a lot more problematic than linux" - what a diplomatic understatement...
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20091029 23:33:41< Espreon> "it also appears that the sighted event in more recent versions of the game (1.6 and 1.7, maybe?) does not fire on enemy turns." — The wiki...
20091029 23:33:44< Espreon> Is this intentional?
20091029 23:34:46< Soliton> that the sighted event is buggy? no...
20091029 23:34:49< loonycyborg> esr: I tried also with trunk on linux and I've got much shorter delay than before when clicking end scenario button.
20091029 23:35:00< loonycyborg> Maybe that guy was just impatient :P
20091029 23:35:15< Espreon> Soliton: Not in general, but that specific thing.
20091029 23:35:40< esr> loonycyborg: OK, so what about trunk under *Windows*?
20091029 23:36:07< loonycyborg> I'm already running virtualbox :P
20091029 23:38:54< esr> I don't know what virtualbx is.  Some sort of software emulation,. I assume?
20091029 23:39:48< loonycyborg> Yes. Like VMWare or Xen
20091029 23:40:58< esr> So much the better.  If the hang doesn't reproduce under emulation it is not very likely to under native Windows.
20091029 23:43:22< loonycyborg> esr: There isn't much delay with 1.7.6 on virtualbox.
20091029 23:45:29< loonycyborg> I.e. there's no hang.
20091029 23:49:50< loonycyborg> I happen to have 1.6.5 installed on the same VM and that save *does* cause a hang.
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20091029 23:50:06< loonycyborg> with that version.
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20091029 23:55:31< loonycyborg> Actually it resumes eventually. So that guy should be patient if he wants to continue using that version :P
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