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20091005 03:34:49< meowreka> hello everyone
20091005 03:34:51< meowreka> everyone in the world
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20091005 03:55:55< meowreka> hello wesnoth
20091005 03:56:06< shadowmaster> meowreka: you already said hello :p
20091005 03:56:23< meowreka> that was a long time ago
20091005 03:56:26< meowreka> does anyone have 1.7.6
20091005 03:57:23< shadowmaster> less than 5 hours isn't exactly long time ago. You didn't even leave the channel.
20091005 03:57:24< Aethaeryn> yes
20091005 03:57:28< shadowmaster> I do have 1.7.6+svn.
20091005 03:57:38< Aethaeryn> no one plays 1.7.6 in MP though
20091005 03:57:38< meowreka> I need someone to help me test my new factions
20091005 03:57:43< meowreka> :/
20091005 03:58:07< Aethaeryn> the only dev release that really had a sizeable MP community was 1.3 because so many new changes were added, so many good add-ons used these changes, and it was a really long release cycle.
20091005 03:58:21< meowreka> yes but people have it
20091005 03:58:26< Aethaeryn> This one is relatively minor change, all the good add-ons are still on 1.6, and it's a really short release cycle
20091005 03:58:26< meowreka> and I want someone to help me test my faction
20091005 03:59:18< Aethaeryn> What faction?
20091005 03:59:18< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: are you using 1.7.6 or 1.7.6+svn?
20091005 03:59:34< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: both
20091005 03:59:53< meowreka> I made a forum post
20091005 03:59:54< Aethaeryn> 1.6.4 (no need to update), 1.7.6, and 1.7.6+
20091005 04:00:21< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: your Internet still unreliable?
20091005 04:01:02< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: development versions use a separate server instance for official releases and interim SVN revisions~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~
20091005 04:01:02< meowreka> If I am using only mainline units, and I copied the .cfg files from 1.7.6, would there be any conflicts if I tried to migrate it to 1.6.5?
20091005 04:01:30< shadowmaster> and as you can just see above, no, "my" Internet is not reliable at the moment.
20091005 04:01:45< Aethaeryn> meowreka: yes, syntax can change
20091005 04:01:52< meowreka> hm
20091005 04:01:56< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I know.
20091005 04:02:01< meowreka> tell me
20091005 04:02:04< meowreka> if there were problems
20091005 04:02:08< meowreka> would the unit disappear entirely
20091005 04:02:15< meowreka> or would I have to test individual attacks and level-ups to make sure
20091005 04:02:16< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I was in 1.7.6 (standard) about an hour ago and there was one person playing one game
20091005 04:03:03< Aethaeryn> and now there's one different person playing one game with himsefl
20091005 04:03:21< meowreka> Because I'm only using mainline units and images for my new faction
20091005 04:03:25< shadowmaster> meowreka: if there were problems, the unit might not appear, might not behave correctly, etc. Depends on what syntax has changed.
20091005 04:03:38< meowreka> I don't want to have to test individual units :/
20091005 04:03:42< Aethaeryn> meowreka: you could just wait rather than double your work
20091005 04:03:46< meowreka> going to start up 1.6.5
20091005 04:03:53< Aethaeryn> since you'll have to port it from 1.7 to 1.6 to 1.8
20091005 04:03:55< shadowmaster> 1.7.x is going to enter beta for 1.8 soon.
20091005 04:03:57< Aethaeryn> within the matter of a month
20091005 04:04:02< meowreka> yes
20091005 04:04:09< meowreka> but I want to see how my faction is balanced first
20091005 04:04:11< Aethaeryn> might as well wait a month and just do sprites in that time
20091005 04:04:11< shadowmaster> therefore, we advice new add-ons to use 1.7.x
20091005 04:04:12< meowreka> era
20091005 04:04:28< meowreka> I'm never going to use new sprites
20091005 04:04:31< meowreka> not for this one
20091005 04:04:44< Aethaeryn> Any addon that'll take a long amount of time to complete should use 1.7, and that "long amount of time" is getting less and less... now it's around 1 month or so
20091005 04:05:11< meowreka> my add-on is more or less complete
20091005 04:05:18< meowreka> I just need to see how balanced it is
20091005 04:05:23< meowreka> and I CAN'T do that alone
20091005 04:05:28< Aethaeryn> well, if you want to do the work to port it twice, go ahead.
20091005 04:05:43< meowreka> it won't change from 1.7.6 to 1.8 much
20091005 04:05:57< meowreka> it's already in 1.7.6
20091005 04:06:33< Aethaeryn> Yes, but if you make any changes you'll either have to make the changes twice (in 1.6 and 1.7 versions) or port them to 1.8, either way it doubles your work
20091005 04:06:50< meowreka> I'm willing, if nobody is willing to play 1.7.6 with me
20091005 04:06:53< Aethaeryn> Not my problem, of course, but just making you aware that 1.8 is very close to entering beta
20091005 04:08:26< meowreka> ok
20091005 04:08:50< meowreka> anyone here with 1.6.5 that wants to help me test my two "new" factions in my era?
20091005 04:09:09< meowreka> the forum topic for it is here http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27345&p=388068
20091005 04:12:42< Aethaeryn> meowreka: just curious, and kinda to be a devil's advocate, why would anyone play it if Default is good enough?
20091005 04:13:00< meowreka> it's a new way of things
20091005 04:13:08< meowreka> ideas
20091005 04:13:39< Aethaeryn> elaborate?
20091005 04:13:43< meowreka> well
20091005 04:13:47< meowreka> I have ideas, on certain things
20091005 04:13:56< meowreka> "these units should be in a faction together" or "this unit should have this ability"
20091005 04:14:04< meowreka> for example, the ghost, I gave it the ability "Possess"
20091005 04:14:33< meowreka> right now it's a little bland but I do plan to change it quite a bit in the future
20091005 04:14:45< meowreka> I want to test the balancing on two of my factions
20091005 04:15:02< meowreka> I gave one of them the Fire Dragon and I want to see how that plays out in a match
20091005 04:15:07< Aethaeryn> eh, in my opinion there are two reasons people play eras: cool art or cool WML
20091005 04:15:15< meowreka> Possess is cool WML
20091005 04:15:22< shadowmaster> we do not share Aethaeryn's opinion.
20091005 04:15:23< meowreka> you can take enemy units for the cost of a ghost
20091005 04:15:28< shadowmaster> forgot to say "disclaimer:"
20091005 04:15:36< Aethaeryn> Era of High Sorcery is one of the ones that *heavily* uses WML in a fun, unique manner.
20091005 04:15:48< shadowmaster> that one is too new. Irrelevant example.
20091005 04:15:54< shadowmaster> :P
20091005 04:16:05< meowreka> I'm trying to make an era that
20091005 04:16:08< meowreka> keeps it relatively simple
20091005 04:16:11< Aethaeryn> You'll need a lot of cool abilities to get people to play, otherwise it may be best to do something like I did in Just For Fun.
20091005 04:16:17< meowreka> new special abilities are fun
20091005 04:16:20< meowreka> but
20091005 04:16:21< Aethaeryn> A pack of random different ideas remixing mainline units.
20091005 04:16:22< meowreka> if there are tons of them
20091005 04:16:28< meowreka> it's confusing and frustrating
20091005 04:16:54< meowreka> I didn't just use the multiplayer units
20091005 04:17:03< meowreka> I made a faction dedicated to using the Monster units in the game
20091005 04:17:57< Aethaeryn> interesting, but they don't promote.
20091005 04:18:04< meowreka> I forced some of them to
20091005 04:18:22< Aethaeryn> as for fire dragon recruiting, if it's 100g, I suspect it will play similar to the strongest tank in Thunderstone
20091005 04:18:29< meowreka> I altered them.
20091005 04:18:34< meowreka> I didn't just shove the units in there.
20091005 04:18:40< meowreka> I altered their stats and levels
20091005 04:18:46< Aethaeryn> You can recruit one tank for 100g and it's a really strong lvl 4, but you'll be beaten by swarm if you buy it first.
20091005 04:18:52< meowreka> I made the spider into a scout unit
20091005 04:18:57< meowreka> and it levels into a scorpion
20091005 04:19:09< meowreka> I also made the fire dragon level into the skeletal dragon
20091005 04:19:12< shadowmaster> I like the mainline era because there are already plenty of SP campaigns that can help me get familiarized with its units.
20091005 04:19:24< shadowmaster> and also well-written unit descriptions.
20091005 04:19:44< shadowmaster> last time I checked, EoM was the only MP era that had asspciated SP campaigns to play with
20091005 04:19:55< shadowmaster> well-written unit descriptions? uh oh.
20091005 04:20:26< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: No, Imperial Era
20091005 04:20:34< meowreka> I don't really know why there are so many complaints
20091005 04:20:35< Aethaeryn> has a *whole* set... EoM stole the idea from IE, and IE probably does it better
20091005 04:20:39< meowreka> if you are looking for eras that are pretty, that
20091005 04:20:42< Aethaeryn> Since IE was made with a coherent theme
20091005 04:20:44< meowreka> that's just not fun at all
20091005 04:20:45< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I kind of forgot about IE.
20091005 04:20:54< meowreka> I'm trying to make an era that is functional and entertaining
20091005 04:21:00< Aethaeryn> Yes, they've been inactive lately. Error #1: using forums other than the Wesnoth forums
20091005 04:21:05< Aethaeryn> don't get random contributors, and don't get publicityt
20091005 04:22:20< meowreka> There are interesting aspects to it and I'm just tossing ideas into it
20091005 04:22:25< meowreka> it's going to get a lot bigger
20091005 04:22:37< Aethaeryn> imo spider is cooler than scorpion
20091005 04:22:44< meowreka> I took away its webs
20091005 04:22:46< Aethaeryn> spider is usually a rare villain while scorpion is often common
20091005 04:22:52< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I believe that if the work is notable enough, it may deserve hosting in the official w.o forums to avoid such phenomenon to occur.
20091005 04:22:55< meowreka> scorpion is more intimidating
20091005 04:23:03< shadowmaster> I guess the admins back then didn't think like me :P
20091005 04:23:16< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: lol, I'll keep that in mind when I finish Thunderstone ;)
20091005 04:23:23< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: with "hosting" I mean, separate subforum or such.
20091005 04:23:47< shadowmaster> all in the same board, solving the readability problems with those "Art thread for Big Era" threads
20091005 04:25:50< Aethaeryn> yes.
20091005 04:27:34< shadowmaster> meowreka: see PM
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20091005 04:28:12< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: you mean a subforum of Faction and Era Contribution?
20091005 04:28:31< meowreka> pm
20091005 04:28:32< meowreka> pm what
20091005 04:28:33< meowreka> what pm
20091005 04:28:35< meowreka> oh
20091005 04:28:45< shadowmaster> depends on the work, Aethaeryn 
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20091005 04:28:55< shadowmaster> again, it must be notable (an large, and completed) enough
20091005 04:29:00< shadowmaster> *and
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20091005 04:37:43< meowreka> shadowmaster you are quite the multitasker
20091005 04:38:40< shadowmaster> sure. But it's not necessary to say that in more than one channel.
20091005 04:41:26< meowreka> yes it is
20091005 04:44:16< shadowmaster> no, it isn't. It's not polite behavior on IRC, especially on this network.
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20091005 11:03:45< Ivanovic> moin
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20091005 16:59:56< Woodmouse> hi people
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20091005 17:10:19< isaac> cd
20091005 17:13:27< _aD> C:\Documents and Settings>
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20091005 17:13:43< isaac> not really, more kind of /home/isaac/
20091005 17:14:01< _aD> Forward slashes eh.
20091005 17:14:30< isaac> welcome to the unix world
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20091005 18:05:04< Woodmouse> anyone here?
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20091005 18:06:57 * _aD is
20091005 18:07:05< rsk> no
20091005 18:07:51< Woodmouse> D:
20091005 18:08:14< _aD> I'm that bad? :'-(
20091005 18:09:25< Woodmouse> no, I meant "D:" because rsk said "no".
20091005 18:11:10< _aD> phew
20091005 18:11:16< _aD> I almost got all emotional on you
20091005 18:12:01< Woodmouse> :o
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20091005 18:15:57< ldlework> I can confirm that my units totally hit for 0 
20091005 18:16:27< ldlework> Paladin 9-5 sword just hit for 0
20091005 18:18:28< Soliton> that's commonly called missing.
20091005 18:18:37< Woodmouse> it's sad
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20091005 19:33:47< ldlework> How should I beat The Princess' Revenge?
20091005 19:36:54< Soliton> gracefully.
20091005 19:37:08< grzywacz> ;)
20091005 19:37:23< ldlework> I only start with like 120 gold
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20091005 19:57:18< grzywacz> ldlework, maybe you've performed too poorly in the previous scenarios.
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20091005 20:17:53< zookeeper> ldlework, there should be plenty of forum threads discussing that scenario
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20091005 20:25:35< ldlework> grzywacz, shouldn't each scenerio start you off with enough gold to complete the mission?
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20091005 21:00:38< grzywacz> ldlework, not really
20091005 21:00:46< grzywacz> ldlework, it's a campaign for a reason
20091005 21:01:41< Woodmouse> I'm going now, bye
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20091005 21:03:18< zookeeper> grzywacz, well, yes they should
20091005 21:03:46< zookeeper> it's a different thing if it's a lot harder with minimum gold of course, but it's just stupid design if it's effectively impossible even for a good player.
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20091005 21:05:53< grzywacz> zookeeper, 120 gold says something. :-P
20091005 21:06:09< grzywacz> And well, it's just "should".
20091005 21:06:24< zookeeper> i bet it's doable on 120 gold on the easiest difficulty at least
20091005 21:08:42< grzywacz> Won't bet, haven't played it in a while. :)
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20091005 21:50:50< grzywacz> http://www.dula.tv/blog/picture/when-you-reach-max-level-you-stop-leveling/
20091005 21:51:52< Ivanovic> hehehe
20091005 21:53:10< noy> hah!
20091005 21:55:15< Ivanovic> we should post this one in the forums whenever someone says "unit XYZ needs another level!"
20091005 21:55:18< Ivanovic> ;)
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