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20091008 00:00:05< Ivanovic> Arc: do you already have the font, the diff for fonts/COPYING, the change to data/hardwired/fonts.cfg (to include the font) and the file data/languages/en@shaw.cfg ready?
20091008 00:00:20< Ivanovic> then everything would be online so that the translation can directly be used
20091008 00:00:40< Ivanovic> the file data/languages/en@shaw.cfg with the native translation name should be in utf8
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20091008 04:45:13< Arc> Ivanovic: sorry just returned from gym. i haven't decided on the font yet, I may put one together real quick
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20091008 04:50:49< Arc> http://marnanel.org/shavian/fonts/ has most of the options
20091008 04:51:05< Arc> though i'm pretty spiffy with fontforge
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20091008 04:55:57< Arc> Ivanovic: http://marnanel.org/shavian/fonts/ has most of the options
20091008 04:55:59< Arc> though i'm pretty spiffy with fontforge
20091008 04:56:23< Arc> i'm looking through the freely licensed options
20091008 04:57:14< Arc> WenQuanYi Bitmap Song?
20091008 04:57:33< shadowmaster> Ivanovic is currently sleeping; he'll check your messages when he's back.
20091008 04:57:39< shadowmaster> (just a note)
20091008 04:58:13< Arc> ok. do you know what dejavu styles are used? ie, Sans, Sans Mono, and/or Serif?
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20091008 04:58:30< Arc> I would need to ensure each style is supported
20091008 04:59:05< shadowmaster> Sans and Sans Mono.
20091008 04:59:14< shadowmaster> er, Sans only.
20091008 04:59:26< Arc> ok so no monospaced font is used in wesnoth
20091008 04:59:40< shadowmaster> nope
20091008 05:03:15< Arc> I'm thinking of using Andagii
20091008 05:03:54< Arc> it's 38k and licensed under the GPL
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20091008 05:29:56< Arc> crap. the author doesnt actually specify GPL, he doesnt specify any license, just says its copyleft and links to GNU's website. i'm getting him to update the zipfile with the appropriate copyright and license info
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20091008 06:04:48< Arc> ok the author has worked heavily with Debian with some of his other fonts, so this shouldn't be a problem.
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20091008 09:16:29< Arc> ok, font license resolved. The author already included all the glyphs in a meta-font, he gave permission to repackage them under the same name and release under the GPLv2 with font exception
20091008 09:16:37< Arc> so instead of 800k+ its just 32k
20091008 09:16:50< Arc> same name as the old font, not the meta-font
20091008 09:45:05< Arc> and now it's just 8k.
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20091008 09:50:06< Arc> er, 7k.
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20091008 10:17:37< Ivanovic> moin
20091008 10:18:59< Ivanovic> Arc: good to hear that the issue is solved
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20091008 10:21:03< Ivanovic> Arc: that is it might be best if you just sent me a tiny tarball with the font, a patch for fonts/COPYING (including some "where is this font from?"), a patch for data/hardwired/fonts.cfg plus the data/languages/en@shaw.cfg
20091008 10:21:19< Ivanovic> once i got those four things the translation is selectable in the main menu
20091008 10:22:08< Ivanovic> (that is on linux systems you will have to use --enable-dummylocales or something like this because we still rely on glibc and there is probably no "real" glibc locale for en@shaw, or is there one?
20091008 10:22:21< Ivanovic> if there is one, use that in the en@shaw.cfg file
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20091008 11:11:41< Ivanovic> Arc: sorry, there was a problem when generating the files for your translation
20091008 11:11:59< Ivanovic> that is: the files were created with all translations automatically copied over since the original is english, too
20091008 11:12:14< Ivanovic> Arc: i now did it the hard way and basically reset the files to an empty state
20091008 11:12:37< Ivanovic> (otherwise the langcode stuff would at least have generated some problems regarding the manual!)
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20091008 16:21:00< Arc> Ivanovic: no glibc does not yet support en@shaw, however the language code was standardized when it was added to unicode
20091008 16:22:45< Arc> now why edit data/hardwired/fonts.cfg when the font strings themselves are translated?
20091008 16:23:09< Ivanovic> Arc: simply because you will probably use the chars for the name of the translation, right?
20091008 16:23:54< Ivanovic> and so that other the name *can* be displayed in every lang we have it has to be in the font list
20091008 16:25:00< Ivanovic> (beside this fonts that we ship with the game should be in that string)
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20091008 16:32:10< lxsameer> can i recuit a level2 unit?
20091008 16:32:21< Ivanovic> sometimes
20091008 16:33:14< lxsameer> Ivanovic: by recalling exists level2 units ?
20091008 16:33:28< Ivanovic> it depends on the campaigns
20091008 16:33:40< Ivanovic> sometimes some campaigns offer you lvl2 units to recruit in some scenarios
20091008 16:33:53< lxsameer> so there is no way to product new unit with level2?
20091008 16:34:03< Ivanovic> but there is *no* fixed way to say when this is the case (depends on the campaign creator if it is posisble)
20091008 16:34:19< Ivanovic> sometimes it is possible, if the campaign designer wants it
20091008 16:35:44< Ivanovic> in multiplayer in the "era of heroes" or something like this you can directly recruit higher level units
20091008 16:35:57< Ivanovic> though this is not possible in the default era
20091008 16:36:08< Ivanovic> like i said "sometimes it is possible to recruit lvl2 units"
20091008 16:37:36< Arc> Ivanovic: good point
20091008 16:38:06< Arc> will wesnoth handle en_US@shaw the same as en@shaw?
20091008 16:38:19< Arc> or is there a way to specify multiple locales
20091008 16:38:28< Ivanovic> yes, you can specify multiple locales
20091008 16:38:43< Ivanovic> have a look at the german file (de_DE.cfg) for example cases of alternatives
20091008 16:38:44< Arc> one per line or comma separated
20091008 16:40:13< Ivanovic> alternates=de_LI, de_LU, de_CH, de_AT
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20091008 16:45:38< Arc> too bad it doesnt support wildcard ;-)
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20091008 16:50:54< Arc> Ivanovic: how to get codepoints for fonts?
20091008 16:51:11< Ivanovic> Arc: uhm, good question, no idea
20091008 16:51:59< Arc> what are the codepoints?
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20091008 16:52:28< Ivanovic> i'd guess that they are the unicode chars or something like this
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20091008 17:00:17< Arc> ok. and i assume when a common character (ie, "!") is used it'll fallback to DejaVu
20091008 17:00:33< Arc> or rather, it'll use DejaVu whenever it can and use Andagii only when it doesnt have a glyph
20091008 17:00:35< Ivanovic> jupp
20091008 17:00:42< Ivanovic> it will use the list
20091008 17:00:59< Ivanovic> so first check the first font, if this does not have the glyph, check the 2nd and so on
20091008 17:01:56< Arc> hmm, should this be second then, since WenQuanYi Zen Hei is so much larger?
20091008 17:02:03< Arc> codepoints="32,183,66640-66687"
20091008 17:02:14< Arc> 32 and 183 are redundant to DejaVu
20091008 17:02:40< Arc> (SPACE and MIDDLE DOT)
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20091008 17:05:16< Arc> -rw-r--r-- 1 arc users 7.0K 2009-10-08 03:47 Andagii.ttf
20091008 17:05:37< Arc> -rw-r--r-- 1 arc users 13M 2009-10-07 16:59 wqy-zenhei.ttc
20091008 17:06:16< Ivanovic> doesn't matter if they are redundant
20091008 17:06:29< Ivanovic> as you see, the asian font also covers the normal ascii stuff
20091008 17:07:15< Ivanovic> since when asian is used it would look strange if for ascii chars a different font (with different hinting and all this stuff) was used
20091008 17:12:09< Arc> *nod*
20091008 17:12:13< Arc> ok sent
20091008 17:12:20< Arc> i hope i got the codepoints correct
20091008 17:13:44< Arc> if you install that font you should be able to see the glyphs in the Shavian script in the gnome Character Map
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20091008 17:18:50< Ivanovic> okay, the font is online and used ingame
20091008 17:21:50< Arc> cool, so what process do i have to go through to see new translation strings in the game?
20091008 17:22:14< Arc> do i need to re-compile/install each time?
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20091008 17:31:18< Ivanovic> that is the easiest way to do so
20091008 17:31:52< Ivanovic> and have a look at todays logs of #wesnoth-dev to find a patch by loobycyborg so that it does not completely rely on the glibc locales
20091008 17:32:27< Ivanovic> (otherwise you somehow need to use dummylocales when building *and* starting
20091008 17:33:03< Arc> cant you just "LANG=en@shaw wesnoth"?
20091008 17:34:45< Arc> and this is more reason to get en@shaw into glibc
20091008 17:39:33< Ivanovic> you can try if "LANGUAGE=en@shaw wesnoth" works, not sure though
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20091008 17:56:18< Arc> ok on the matter of tags, i assume that only the text= should be translated inside each?
20091008 17:56:22< Arc> is there any exception to that?
20091008 18:00:48< Ivanovic> ???
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20091008 18:01:13< Ivanovic> open the en@shaw.po files in an editor for po files like eg poedit and you will see what to do
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20091008 18:02:21< Ivanovic> there should be nothing with tags
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20091008 18:03:37< Arc> [dst='..abilities_section' text='abilities']
20091008 18:03:45< Arc> i am not editing by hand, im writing a script to do it as batch
20091008 18:04:02< Ivanovic> ah, right
20091008 18:04:10< Ivanovic> in those it is only text blocks that should be translated
20091008 18:04:24< Arc> in the above example, it would translate to [dst='..abilities_section' text='𐑩𐑚𐑦𐑤𐑦𐑑𐑰𐑟']
20091008 18:04:36< Arc> ok regardless of the tag right?
20091008 18:04:50< Arc> text=Recruit
20091008 18:05:27< Ivanovic> sounds correct to me
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20091008 18:07:32< Arc> ok I'm confused. my system-wide locale is en_US@shaw and wesnoth still believes my locale is en_US
20091008 18:07:48< Arc> scons --enable-dummy-locales
20091008 18:07:51< Arc> ^^ that fails
20091008 18:08:23< Soliton> as expected.
20091008 18:09:22< Soliton> scons -h tells you actual parameters.
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20091008 18:21:12< Ivanovic> i am off for the evening, cu
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20091008 18:59:27< ldlework> Can I upload my save and see if someone can beat the scenerio I'm on?
20091008 18:59:44< ldlework> I have played it over and over and over in attempts to not have to cheat or start over
20091008 19:00:32< Soliton> sure.
20091008 19:01:44< ldlework> k
20091008 19:02:48< ldlework> http://ldlework.com/raw-attachment/wiki/dump/HttT-The_Valley_of_Death_-_The_Princess%27s_Revenge.gz
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20091008 19:19:09< Woodmouse> HI, people!
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20091008 19:37:51< ldlework> Soliton, any luck?
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20091008 19:51:02< Soliton> ldlework: busy with other stuff for now, maybe in an hour.
20091008 19:57:00< ldlework> Soliton, no hurry
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20091008 22:35:04< shadowmaster> did all dev version players dropp off the face of the earth or what?
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20091008 22:46:14< KEBA1> id like to make al wesnoth lan tomorrow
20091008 22:46:36< KEBA1> i have a win vista notebook with wesnoth 1.6.5 and a linux netbook with wesnoth 1.6.1
20091008 22:46:40< KEBA1> whats to do?
20091008 22:48:09< Soliton> clicking on host game?
20091008 22:48:57< KEBA1> and not more to do?
20091008 22:49:01< KEBA1> so simple?
20091008 22:49:16< KEBA1> with vista/linux network connection, with the versions...
20091008 22:49:29< shadowmaster> 1.6.x are compatible with each other.
20091008 22:49:34< shadowmaster> the platform doesn't matter.
20091008 22:49:39< KEBA1> ok
20091008 22:50:02< KEBA1> so I just need to worry about the connection from the llinux netbook to the vista notebook?
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