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20091028 00:22:28< Zarel> John_R: 1.4?
20091028 00:22:34< Zarel> Why can't you get a later version?
20091028 00:22:54< John_R> i am running ubuntu 8.04, 1.4 is in the repos
20091028 00:23:11< John_R> going to upgrade to 9.10 soon, i have heard that the intel graphics bug has been handled
20091028 00:23:39< John_R> zarel, are you the guy who is on the wz2100 dev team?
20091028 00:23:48< Zarel> Yep, that's me.
20091028 00:24:00< John_R> ok, my nick on the wesnoth site is symbiote
20091028 00:24:01< Zarel> John_R: Feel free to compile Wesnoth yourself; it's not too bad.
20091028 00:24:10< John_R> :) wz2100 rules
20091028 00:24:28< John_R> i got a copy for compiling, but would rather get it from repos if possible. been needing to upgrade from 8.04 anyway
20091028 00:25:02< Zarel> It might be in backports.
20091028 00:25:31< John_R> i should have backports enabled, let me double check
20091028 00:26:26< Zarel> You could just add the 9.10 repositories, and get Wesnoth from there.
20091028 00:26:33< John_R> nope, not in backports
20091028 00:26:44< John_R> yeah, could do that
20091028 00:27:24< John_R> got 9.04 burning right now, going to try the livecd and update everything to current, then see how the graphics work
20091028 00:27:45< John_R> last time i upgraded via synaptic and it wasnt pretty
20091028 00:28:22< Zarel> Ah, I think you might be able to get away with just updating Wesnoth and its dependencies.
20091028 00:28:31< Zarel> Which is why I suggested adding the 9.10 repositories for that.
20091028 00:28:42< John_R> yep, probably so
20091028 00:28:57< John_R> going to try to upgrade the distro first though
20091028 00:29:03< John_R> like i said, been needing to do it for a while
20091028 00:29:16< John_R> 9.xx has some features that 8.04 doesn't
20091028 00:29:36< John_R> i sort of miss stock debian, to tell the truth, but i recommend ubuntu to people
20091028 00:30:00< John_R> when they ask if i run ubuntu too, and i tell them "no", then they ask why and the explanation leaves them feeling stupid
20091028 00:30:09< John_R> so i sort of have to eat my own dog food
20091028 00:31:15< John_R> on the upside, the layout is nice
20091028 00:31:29< Zarel> Ah, well, in 9.04, prepare for audio not working.
20091028 00:31:40< Zarel> (Ah, the fun of Ubuntu's "no bugfixes" policy)
20091028 00:31:43< John_R> did they hose pulse again?
20091028 00:31:46< John_R> hheheh
20091028 00:32:13< Zarel> Nah, they added Pulse in 9.04, and it was pretty unstable.
20091028 00:32:45< John_R> 8.xx has pulse, and it works good here
20091028 00:32:51< John_R> i like the network streaming capabilities
20091028 00:33:07< John_R> got a 5.1 surround system in the office, and all 7 machines can play through it at once
20091028 00:33:54< John_R> getting my wife's laptop to that point was a pain
20091028 00:34:14< John_R> lots of time in the forums
20091028 00:34:34< John_R> cheap dell onboard sound
20091028 00:35:00< John_R> what do you run on your boxes?
20091028 00:35:06< Zarel> Ah, well, I heard the 9.04 version was unstable.
20091028 00:35:14< John_R> that could be
20091028 00:35:17< Zarel> Me? lol, I run Windows and Mac OS X. :P
20091028 00:35:20< John_R> going to find out :)
20091028 00:35:32< John_R> mac. i would have one if i could afford it
20091028 00:35:36< John_R> hard to find a used mac though
20091028 00:35:40< John_R> people hold onto them
20091028 00:35:42< Zarel> Once in a while, I have Linux in a VM, but currently there are no good Snow Leopard compatible VMs.
20091028 00:36:13< Zarel> Yeah, well, Macs really aren't that expensive if you put in the effort to get them at lower prices.
20091028 00:36:31< John_R> cool
20091028 00:36:33< Zarel> And I put in about as much effort to get cheap generic hardware, anyway, so might as well get a Mac, y'know.
20091028 00:36:40< John_R> yep
20091028 00:36:57< Zarel> I got my current MacBook Pro for ~$400 after discounts, and it was new (not used, not refurbished).
20091028 00:37:17< John_R> what specs?
20091028 00:37:48< Zarel> -> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs-13inch.html
20091028 00:37:50< Zarel> That one exactly.
20091028 00:38:32< Zarel> 13", 2.26 GHz C2D, 2 GB DDR3, GeForce 9400M, 160 GB HDD, 7 hr battery.
20091028 00:38:48< John_R> tasty
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20091028 00:39:13< John_R> here's my main machine
20091028 00:39:15< John_R> os[Linux 2.6.24-23-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 5.00GHz] mem[Physical: 503.0MB, 37.2% free] disk[Total: 35.3GB, 27.8% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY] sound[Allegro - ESS Allegro PCI]
20091028 00:39:43< John_R> the desktop has similar specs
20091028 00:39:59< John_R> they both have small hard drives, most of my storage is in a little debian nas
20091028 00:40:59< John_R> it is a laptop, paid ~30 for it, shipped, bought a 40 dollar battery, a 10 dollar wireless card, and used some ram i had laying around
20091028 00:41:11< Zarel> Ah, nice.
20091028 00:41:26< John_R> havent bought a machine new since 1991
20091028 00:41:38< John_R> which is cool wallet-wise, but it means i dont have the newest thing until it is 4 years out of date hhehe
20091028 00:42:09< John_R> anyway i have to go, good talking to you
20091028 00:42:10< Zarel> Yeah, I built a desktop a year ago with a 2.66GHz Core 2 Quad, 6 GB of RAM, and a GeForce 8800 GT.
20091028 00:42:12< John_R> if i get upgraded we'll have to duke it out
20091028 00:42:15< Zarel> Cost me $450.
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20091028 00:45:06< Zarel> Heh. The Warzone devs have a habit of not supporting old machines, unfortunately. :(
20091028 00:45:40< Zarel> Part of the problem is OpenGL. Old versions are really hard to use.
20091028 00:45:56< Vornicus> ...I could have sworn there was a button to zoom the map.
20091028 00:46:04< Zarel> ...there is.
20091028 00:46:28< Vornicus> Ah, good!  So all that has happened is that I have forgotten what it is.  Where did that cheat sheet go...
20091028 00:47:23< Zarel> Vornicus: I think it was some weird button like "O" or something.
20091028 00:47:28< Zarel> I remember accidentally pressing it a lot.
20091028 00:47:58< Zarel> It's 0.
20091028 00:48:14< Vornicus> docs say + and -, actually, apparently
20091028 00:48:29< Vornicus> and then 0 resets it to normal.
20091028 00:49:26< Zarel> 0 apparently zooms out 2x when you're already at normal.
20091028 00:49:30< Zarel> That may just be 1.7, though.
20091028 00:50:16< Vornicus> Ah, it does work that way.
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20091028 00:53:47< Zarel> I wonder why = doesn't work for zooming in.
20091028 01:01:35< Vornicus> Dunno.
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20091028 01:13:32< Vornicus> I've decided that I want somewhat simpler art.
20091028 01:17:53< Vornicus> It gets hard to read at wide zooms, and I use that to get an overview of the world including village locations.
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20091028 01:20:03< Vornicus> ...oh.  I /have/ simpler art floating around.  I could almost just drop it in.  But then the unit art would look stupid with it.
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20091028 01:20:19< Vornicus> (also I'd need, uh.  A whole bunch more of that simpler art.)
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20091028 16:57:04< Ivanovic> hi
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20091028 21:55:48< Bellerophon_true> Nobody ever says anything here :( such boredom cannot be permited; why do people have hair under their armpits? I say it's all about friction, there's not enough for the hair just disappear as they did on our palms and feet but their is still enough friction that without the hair one could potentially damage his skin without them,. There, now  at least some sarcastic comments will be written...
20091028 21:55:50< Bellerophon_true> ...here :D
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20091028 21:56:23< shadowmaster> ?
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20091028 22:34:13< Soliton> hair is there for better heat dissipation afaik.
20091028 22:35:02< ardesh> O_o
20091028 22:35:08< ardesh> nope
20091028 22:35:12< ardesh> its because of pheromones
20091028 22:35:33< ardesh> thats y u still have some body hair
20091028 22:37:08< Soliton> "pheromones" is no reason at all.
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