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20091031 01:08:27< roe> it seems that wesnoth server runs as a daemon, is there a config file I can use to configure it?
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20091031 02:24:27< Pillz> hmm, anyone know what would cause wesnoth to just.. stop working?  it launches, and the main menu buttons glow when i hover over them, but clicking has no affect.
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20091031 02:31:01< Pillz> okay new information, ctrl+click works
20091031 02:31:07< Pillz> but clicking alone does now.
20091031 02:31:08< Pillz> *not
20091031 02:33:16< shadowmaster> fullscreen? what operating system, wesnoth version, etc. We need more context to help you.
20091031 02:33:59< Pillz> not full screen, linux(arch linux, 2.6.31) 1.65
20091031 02:34:05< Pillz> *wesnoth version 1.65
20091031 02:34:11< shadowmaster> you mean 1.6.5.
20091031 02:34:17< Pillz> ya my bad
20091031 02:35:14< shadowmaster> apparently Arch Linux has a buggy versin of the SDL  library (which we use) at the moment.
20091031 02:35:18< Pillz> ive cleared by wesnoth folder in /home and reinstalled, had no affect
20091031 02:35:23< Pillz> ah, okay
20091031 02:35:40< shadowmaster> so you should either downgrade SDL (no idea how to do that, I'm not an Arch user) or wait for some update
20091031 02:36:00< Pillz> okay thanks
20091031 02:39:47< Pillz> would you happen to know if its a problem with SDL upstream or just arch's package?
20091031 02:42:26< shadowmaster> it seems to be a problem with the upstream library. Apparently SDL 1.2.13 doesn't cause any problems
20091031 02:43:18< Pillz> okay thanks
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20091031 04:10:47< norbert_> hiya, I'm playing a Colosseum game and for some reason the required xp for the units is doubled
20091031 04:11:02< norbert_> the guy who set it up picked the Colosseum era, so that's correct
20091031 04:11:07< norbert_> oh never mind
20091031 04:11:11< norbert_> he just changed the settings
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20091031 05:26:03< noy> happygrue: http://www.ft.com/cms/93ece7c0-07af-11dd-a922-0000779fd2ac.html?_i_referralObject=10195731&fromSearch=n
20091031 05:26:14< happygrue> thanks
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20091031 09:11:20< FreeNexusRecruit> Hello.
20091031 09:15:00< noy> hello
20091031 09:18:19< FreeNexusRecruit> Is it possible to convert Wesnoth tile/unit sets into data, suitable for making a tile/unit set for Crimson Fields?
20091031 09:19:58< FreeNexusRecruit> You know, I'm a moron who bounces from one TBS to another...
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20091031 09:44:18< noy> not too sure
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20091031 09:51:04< haytham-med> hi all, where are configuration files of wesnoth stored (other than .wesnoth) cause I want to copy configuration to another computer
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20091031 10:57:14< Ivanovic> moin
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20091031 15:16:21< SekoIdiootti> hi, people!
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20091031 16:27:23< harrison> hello everyone
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20091031 18:50:24< zooko> Does wesnoth have a feature to reply enemy moves that you might have missed because you were out of the room?
20091031 18:50:33< zooko> I remember some old game, possibly Civ, had such a feature.
20091031 18:50:50< MikeJB> zooko: This is what I do if I leave the room. I press F1
20091031 18:51:07< MikeJB> This stalls your game, as it won't sync up with the server again until you close the help dialog
20091031 18:51:17< MikeJB> So when you come back, you'll see everything you miss at once.
20091031 18:51:46< MikeJB> You'll probably want to hold shift or do Ctrl+A to accelerate getting caught up, though.
20091031 18:52:37< MikeJB> Ideally, a pause button feature would be nice, but it's probably low priority, and pressing F1 works just as well.
20091031 18:53:07< MikeJB> Note that the game is still going on, the thing that's paused is your client receiving the game from the server.
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20091031 19:50:02< SekoIdiootti> IT'S HALLOWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~~~~~~~~~~Ñ!!!
20091031 19:50:09< SekoIdiootti> :D
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20091031 20:05:30< harrison> :)
20091031 20:05:33< noy> so Zarel are you going to debate the merits of healthcare now?
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20091031 20:06:12< Zarel> noy: I dunno?
20091031 20:06:26< Zarel> I'm not really all that interested in either philosophy or healthcare.
20091031 20:06:42< Zarel> I usually just somehow get sucked into these things because of one offhand comment I make.
20091031 20:06:52< noy> so why continue propagating it?
20091031 20:07:25< noy> well actually I can relate
20091031 20:07:35< noy> then I realized who I was arguing with
20091031 20:08:04 * Zarel shrugs.
20091031 20:08:19< Zarel> Ask MikeJB?
20091031 20:08:38< noy> hm?
20091031 20:09:22< Zarel> I dunno. It's somewhat interesting, I guess. Something to do when I don't feel like doing work.
20091031 20:12:59< noy> at least you take it somewhat unseriously... others don't seem to
20091031 20:13:35< Zarel> Oh, man, that's the worst part!
20091031 20:13:45< Zarel> I go in with a joke and they get all defensive! :(
20091031 20:13:57< noy> Thats what I was getting at with my post
20091031 20:14:19< noy> and edguy and aetheryn get all pissy about how they aren't serious
20091031 20:14:51< noy> if you start talking about Utilitarianism and citing quotes from congressmen; you're taking it seriously
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20091031 20:16:15< Aethaeryn> I really just write to pass time. Sometimes I start with three paragraphs, keep editing to clarify, and wind up with 10. It's not really anything serious. :P
20091031 20:16:27< Aethaeryn> And it can happen on any topic, even Ideas
20091031 20:17:16< Aethaeryn> I probably bash stupid ideas more than I do anything serious. :P
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20091031 20:20:41< noy> uh, I'd disagree with that
20091031 20:23:58< Aethaeryn> noy: I'd argue that you take *Wesnoth* too seriously though. Wesnoth is not a wargame, according to Dave himself. http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8231#p8231
20091031 20:24:20< Zarel> Oh, the "More exposure for portraits" thread gives some pretty good ideas.
20091031 20:24:23< noy> I do take it seriously, but thats also because I'm part of its executive
20091031 20:24:36< Zarel> When a unit kills another unit, it should have some sort of dialog, customized for each unit! :D
20091031 20:24:45< noy> so I'm actually invested into it personally. 
20091031 20:24:51< Zarel> It would be like StarCraft. "My life for Aiur!"
20091031 20:24:54< noy> as are quite a few developers
20091031 20:24:59< Zarel> Except Wesnoth-themed.
20091031 20:26:13< Zarel> "Sun Tzu is probably rolling over in his grave at how battles are fought in Wesnoth."
20091031 20:26:21< Zarel> LOLOLOL Dave doesn't understand Chinese people
20091031 20:26:25< noy> And my role here since I was brought on as a developer was to help provide a compeditive, solid, multiplayer environment. 
20091031 20:26:51< Aethaeryn> noy: My point is that you call it a wargame (such as http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22500&p=314655&hilit=wargame#p314655 )
20091031 20:27:09< noy> Well he's also changed his views on this matter
20091031 20:27:34< noy> note that this post came after I and DK was brought in to work on this area
20091031 20:27:51< Aethaeryn> I'm not so sure, I searched http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9539&p=131871&hilit=wargame#p131871
20091031 20:27:55< noy> good for you though Aethaeryn to start digging up stuff
20091031 20:28:31< Aethaeryn> More recently though it looks like it's "reminiscent" of a wargame though so maybe you're right http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22500&p=314415&hilit=wargame#p314415
20091031 20:28:37< noy> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21317&start=0
20091031 20:28:45< noy> that is the cornerstone document
20091031 20:28:50< noy> not some offhand reference
20091031 20:30:11< Aethaeryn> I read that document thoroughly when it was still being formed and remember it, but I recall that you were the one likening Wesnoth to a wargame in it.
20091031 20:30:26< noy> do you see any disagreement on his part?
20091031 20:30:53< noy> I don't disagree with the notion this isn't a hardcore wargame
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20091031 20:31:19< noy> its not supposed to be, but it does contain some key elements from them, like random combat simulation
20091031 20:31:21< Zarel> Can we all just agree that "somewhat like a wargame".
20091031 20:31:32< Zarel> noy? Aethaeryn?
20091031 20:31:33< noy> Zarel: did I just not say that?
20091031 20:31:45< Zarel> I know, I'm trying to get you both to agree on one statement so we can move on. :P
20091031 20:31:54< Zarel> I'll take that as a "yes". Aethaeryn?
20091031 20:32:03< noy> I don't really care what he thinks it is
20091031 20:32:18< harrison> ill agree for the sake of it
20091031 20:32:35< noy> you want to say something incorrect about it, I'll say whats wrong with it
20091031 20:33:09< noy> and I'm not really the one searching through the archives nitpicking statements made 5 years ago.
20091031 20:35:04< Aethaeryn> I wasn't searching through archives. I stumbled upon the one statement rather accidentally a few weeks ago, and it led me to recall the very thread you linked, noy 
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20091031 20:35:22< noy> you've listed three. 
20091031 20:36:34< Aethaeryn> Used search just now to find the other ones when you said the one in particular was too old.
20091031 20:39:05< harrison> sorry but what is the disagreement about?
20091031 20:39:42< noy> Aethaeryn: you're proving my point
20091031 20:40:30< Aethaeryn> oh?
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20091031 21:01:51< Aethaeryn> noy: what do you mean by "part of its executive" by the way?
20091031 21:02:27< noy> I'm the secretary of wesnoth, and I guess the acting treasurer 
20091031 21:02:35< Aethaeryn> https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2009-07/msg00012.html
20091031 21:02:39< Aethaeryn> ^ That?
20091031 21:03:20< Aethaeryn> Did you go through with that already? I don't recall seeing a follow-up.
20091031 21:03:39< noy> yes
20091031 21:04:03< Aethaeryn> Want me to update http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Donate then?
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20091031 21:05:11< noy> in a few weeks yes
20091031 21:10:31< Aethaeryn> noy: Okay, just send me a PM or something when it goes through (I get notifications in my email for them) and I'll see if I can rewrite the Donate page.
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20091031 21:18:33< noy> k
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20091031 23:19:44< lembas> hmm scheiße
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20091031 23:24:48< Chakravanti> Anyone know why Dov's MP map pack won't show up in my maplist any time i ever DL it from addons, remove & redownload or even recompile wesnoth and redownload
20091031 23:25:08< Chakravanti> 1.6.4
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20091031 23:26:39< Chakravanti> I have the config files but no maps
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