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20091102 00:03:31< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: that might actually create a bigger bias than English, since he could be using words that make sense in Italian, but not in Latin.
20091102 00:03:42< Aethaeryn> It'd be like someone using modern English idioms in Old English.
20091102 00:03:45< Ivanovic> jupp
20091102 00:04:16< Ivanovic> nö
20091102 00:05:44< Aethaeryn> Though I do hope that someone who's not a native English speaker joins the translation team, because we need to be careful not to translate English idioms, like "hot seat"
20091102 00:08:24< Aethaeryn> Also, I hope I can go through a lot of the shorter fuzzy strings in one sitting, just checking them by a dictionary to make sure they mean what they're supposed to mean. Hopefully this can be done before 1.8, so this all-as-fuzzy thing is just a temporary measure, so I know which ones I haven't checked over yet.
20091102 00:11:27< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: is there any way to sort by line number instead of empty/fuzzy/complete?
20091102 00:11:32< Ivanovic> no
20091102 00:11:46< Ivanovic> at least no way that i know
20091102 00:12:02< Ivanovic> afk now, watching a moviel, please don't highlight me
20091102 00:12:20< Aethaeryn> okay, sorry
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20091102 00:42:04< shadowmaster> shikadibot: file /trunk/data/core/about.cfg
20091102 00:42:04< shikadibot> Web interface URL to file /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/core/about.cfg?view=log
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20091102 00:43:20< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: Aethaeryn and deusite are cnot credited for the translation yet?
20091102 00:44:10< shadowmaster> yes, I know you are watching a movie, but you can always answer later.
20091102 00:54:13< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: no, they are not listed in the credits because i don't know yet how they want to appear in there
20091102 00:54:25< Ivanovic> and i won't add them today either, since i am off to bed now, n8
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20091102 02:26:34< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20091102 03:56:10< CIA-61> esr * r39563 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/12_The_Underlevels.cfg: Put a guard on some dialog in a moveto so it's only uttered once.
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20091102 05:35:46< Sapient> esr: hi
20091102 05:36:00< esr> Sapient: What's up?
20091102 05:36:27< Sapient> I saw your recent commits regarding MODIFY_UNIT and something concerned me about it
20091102 05:36:59< Sapient> I wondered if you were aware that it creates WML bloat to use that macro twice in a row on the same unit?
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20091102 05:38:32< esr> zookeeper muttered something about that.  In 1.9 I'll fix that with a lua implementation - I'd do it now if we weren't in feature freeze.
20091102 05:38:50< Sapient> I agree that it looks cleaner in the unparsed file, but it does increase the size of the WML document
20091102 05:38:57< Sapient> esr: better idea than lua
20091102 05:39:08< Sapient> have a look at wiki/FutureWML
20091102 05:39:11< esr> IYes?
20091102 05:39:34< Sapient> there is an old proposal for [modify_unit] which would allow multiple changes
20091102 05:40:03< Sapient> including type transformations which are currently done via TRANSFORM_UNIT
20091102 05:40:30< esr> I'll look into it.
20091102 05:41:01< Sapient> I think it would be a great boon to WML authors
20091102 05:41:28< Sapient> whereas a Lua hack-around would do nothing to improve issue with the core language 
20091102 05:41:46< esr> Since you're here: I see that bug  #14550 and bug  #13152 are assigned to you.  Would you try to clear them before 1.8, please?
20091102 05:42:16< Sapient> I'm pretty much stalled on development until I get a new laptop, sorry
20091102 05:42:17< esr> Looking at FutureWML now...
20091102 05:42:33< Sapient> the 8-9 hour compile time is a no-go
20091102 05:43:28< Sapient> although the  LLVM guys suggested that I might get better results with gold linker
20091102 05:43:33< esr> Ah.
20091102 05:45:01< esr> Well, I must sleep.
20091102 05:45:10< Sapient> ok, cya
20091102 05:45:12< Sapient> have fun
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20091102 10:22:52< Ivanovic> moin
20091102 10:25:50< CIA-61> ivanovic * r39564 /trunk/po/ (25 files in 25 dirs): updated Latin translation
20091102 10:45:34< Ivanovic> AI0867: IIRC you were the last one doing something on the dutch translation with the team itself being basically inactive, right?
20091102 10:45:42< Ivanovic> AI0867: might be good if you replied to http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=391899#p391899
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20091102 11:26:37< Ivanovic> ilor: any idea when you will find some time for polishing the new lobby further?
20091102 11:26:50< Ivanovic> (that is testing and polishing and the likes)
20091102 11:27:01< Ivanovic> or do you plan to wait for bug reports by users?
20091102 11:27:34< ilor> Ivanovic: I'll try to carve some time today to build, test for a while and whine to mordante, but probably won't be able to do much work :/
20091102 11:27:49< Ivanovic> ilor: this already sounds good to me
20091102 11:28:20< Ivanovic> my main question is more directed to "hmm, 1.8-beta1?" since the new lobby is the main thing i was still waiting for
20091102 11:28:20< ilor> it's somewhat unusual but I have an astonishing amount of uni stuff to do 
20091102 11:29:35< Ivanovic> uhm, this is unusual?
20091102 11:30:04< Ivanovic> anyway, what do you think, is the lobby "end user testing ready" on lets say saturday?
20091102 11:34:17< ilor> Ivanovic: it's unusual because it's barely a month into the semester
20091102 11:34:33< ilor> Ivanovic: I'll let you know as soon as I compile and have a quick look
20091102 11:35:50< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20091102 11:38:23< Ivanovic> that is chrber told me some days ago that some filter would not have any effect
20091102 11:38:53< Ivanovic> i think it was "no ignored"
20091102 11:39:10< Ivanovic> (which is why he did not really know how to translate it, since he had no way to find out how it works)
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20091102 11:44:09< Ivanovic> ilor: when double clicking on the own nick in the lobby, i get a pop-up window with "you"
20091102 11:44:14< Ivanovic> is the "you" translateable?
20091102 11:44:34< ilor> Ivanovic: checking
20091102 11:45:04< Ivanovic> and the formating of the roomlist/users in rooms list could be better
20091102 11:45:24< Ivanovic> currently the room name is not starting at the left where the player name starts, which looks strange
20091102 11:45:26< ilor> Ivanovic: no ignored is supposed to filter out games with people on the player's ignore list
20091102 11:46:12< Ivanovic> ilor: chrber told me that it had not worked for him, he has started two clients, he has set each on the ignore list of the others and yet the filter did nothing
20091102 11:46:30< ilor> will test, getting latest rev now
20091102 11:46:58< Ivanovic> wow, this was strange!
20091102 11:47:14< Ivanovic> i just maximised the wesnoth window via my window manager while being in the lobby
20091102 11:47:34< Ivanovic> the lobby content was *not* resized correctly leading to parts being cut off
20091102 11:47:42< ilor> aw damn. seems there are 5 not-translateable strings in lbby_player_info.cpp :/
20091102 11:47:45< Ivanovic> and when going back to "normal" the cut off stuff was still not visible
20091102 11:47:55< Ivanovic> ilor: make them translateable ASAP
20091102 11:48:15< ilor> Ivanovic: will do
20091102 11:48:47< ilor> the resize issue is mordante's turf, filter-ignored should work and I remember it working back when I coded it, will check
20091102 11:48:59< Ivanovic> okay, looks like the new mp lobby does not cope well when changing the resolution while in the lobby
20091102 11:51:07< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: AFAICT resize events are often ignored, e.g. in loading screen too.
20091102 11:51:35< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: there are places where this makes sense, but eventually the resize should take effect
20091102 11:51:47< Ivanovic> and resizes done via the ingame preferences should always be done
20091102 11:52:02< Ivanovic> (in the new lobby you can open the game prefs and just change the resolution this way)
20091102 11:52:20< Ivanovic> ilor: what is the status regarding musik being played in the lobby?
20091102 11:52:36< Ivanovic> ilor: is the default music playlist already in use, or is it still "main menu music only"?
20091102 11:52:52< ilor> Ivanovic: not sure if there is any handling at the moment
20091102 11:56:46< Ivanovic> ilor: okay
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20091102 12:27:59< CIA-61> ilor * r39565 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/lobby_player_info.cpp: mark "player info" strings in new lobby as translateable (5 strings)
20091102 12:28:00< ilor> Ivanovic: ^ the strings are in wesnoth textdomain (the file in question was already there)
20091102 12:28:12< Ivanovic> okay
20091102 12:29:36< Ivanovic> running a pot-update now
20091102 12:37:33< ardesh> po update? XD
20091102 12:37:36< ardesh> pot?
20091102 12:43:48< Ivanovic> ardesh: the pot files are the reference files for the po files
20091102 12:43:56< Ivanovic> the ones that hold the latest english strings
20091102 12:43:58< ardesh> ah okay :D
20091102 12:44:04< Ivanovic> against those the po files are merged
20091102 12:46:39< CIA-61> ivanovic * r39566 /trunk/ (790 files in 42 dirs): 
20091102 12:46:39< CIA-61> pot-update:
20091102 12:46:39< CIA-61> several new strings:
20091102 12:46:39< CIA-61> 2 new lose conditions in SotBE, textdomain: wesnoth-sotbe
20091102 12:46:39< CIA-61> 5 strings that were forgotten in the new MP lobby (some player info stuff), textdomain: wesnoth
20091102 12:46:40< CIA-61> regenerated doc files
20091102 13:25:01< CIA-61> ivanovic * r39567 /trunk/po/wesnoth-sotbe/de.po: updated German translation
20091102 13:36:14< CIA-61> esr * r39568 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmltools.py: Refactoring step.
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20091102 13:58:34< CIA-61> esr * r39569 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmltools.py: Another refactoring step.
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20091102 15:27:59< CIA-61> fendrin * r39571 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/10_Cliffs_of_Thoria.map: LoW 10: Cosmetic map changes.
20091102 15:29:01< CIA-61> fendrin * r39572 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/07_Elves_last_stand.cfg: LoW 7: Auto generated traits for El'Isomithir or however he is called.
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20091102 17:02:05< CIA-61> fendrin * r39573 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/07_Elves_last_stand.cfg: LoW 7: Assigned a potrait to the grunt that speaks about "da'stone".
20091102 17:02:44< Ivanovic> esr: maybe you can have a look at this one: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25621&start=0
20091102 17:04:20< esr> I will reply.
20091102 17:04:50< esr> Ivanovic: Should I fix spelling errors that I find during string freeze?
20091102 17:05:05< Ivanovic> esr: only if they are fixable using pofix
20091102 17:05:19< esr> That can be done.
20091102 17:05:35< Ivanovic> when doing so it would be great if you could also have a look at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes
20091102 17:05:56< Ivanovic> maybe a wmllint spellchecking run is really required...
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20091102 17:06:02< esr> Will do.
20091102 17:06:07< Ivanovic> (fixing issues found via pofix or listing them somewhere)
20091102 17:07:20< esr> Ivanovic: I run wmllint frequently.  But it cannot places where a misspelling accidentally put a wrong homonym in place.
20091102 17:07:37< Ivanovic> sure, those won't be found
20091102 17:07:37< esr> s/connot/cannot fix/
20091102 17:07:57< Ivanovic> but many of the issues with the unit descriptions should probably have been found
20091102 17:08:36< esr> Yes, actually, they should have.  I will look into that.
20091102 17:09:44< Ivanovic> thanks
20091102 17:17:00< CIA-61> esr * r39574 /trunk/po/ (23 files in 23 dirs): Update en_GB translation.
20091102 17:35:00< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: Did I mess anything up this time?
20091102 17:36:05< Ivanovic> i don't think so
20091102 17:36:17< Ivanovic> though i have just checked if the files do compile, which is the case
20091102 17:36:32< Ivanovic> don't forget to download fresh files after i uploaded them or ran a pot-update
20091102 17:36:43< Ivanovic> (you are on the i18n mailing list, aren't you?)
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20091102 17:42:10< CIA-61> esr * r39575 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Spelling corrections, also prpagated to pofix.
20091102 17:42:43< esr> Ivanovic: You might want to pot-update again.
20091102 17:43:37< esr> I have cleared SpellingErrors.
20091102 17:43:50< esr> SpellingMistakes, rather.
20091102 17:55:55< Ivanovic> ehm, you mean "run pofix.py on the po files, since this should add all fixes", right?
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20091102 18:08:23< Aethaeryn> esr: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=27583 <- perhaps have a look at this too
20091102 18:08:38< Aethaeryn> I don't think any of the issues were actually settled.
20091102 18:09:32< Aethaeryn> Another one of those issues of the GPL
20091102 18:10:30< fendrin> esr: Please hunt a [objectives] that is nested in [if].
20091102 18:11:09< Aethaeryn> In other words, the resolution was more like "It's better if you just make an addon" not that "You can't do that legally"
20091102 18:11:20< esr> fendrin: You mean you want wmllint to detect that?
20091102 18:11:52< fendrin> esr: yes, that is another wml error found by the wml emacs mode.
20091102 18:12:02< esr> Ivanovic: I suppose.  I still don't undersrtand that machinery very well.
20091102 18:13:15< Aethaeryn> < Ivanovic> (you are on the i18n mailing list, aren't you?) <- Yes. I reread the wiki page after you scolded me for not doing so. Sorry for not doing it properly the first time, I was in a hurry to send the email off before going somewhere... I was late, anyway.
20091102 18:14:31< Aethaeryn> And I do update svn as regularly as possible because it's easier to update every few revisions if I'm online than to wait for one big update of many revisions...
20091102 18:15:42< fendrin> esr: This are all tags that are used inside [if] wrongly: delay, event, kill, message, frame
20091102 18:16:43< esr> You mean directly within [if], as opposed to eithin [then] or [else]?
20091102 18:17:21< fendrin> esr: right
20091102 18:18:16< esr> It might be better to make a list of tags that *are* legal diectly within [if] - that way we catch other leakers in the future.
20091102 18:19:02< fendrin> esr: and else have_unit then variable not or
20091102 18:19:04< Aethaeryn> Is there any way to have emacs use the "standard" shortcuts (or anything similar) such as "Ctrl+C" for paste and "Ctrl+Z" to undo? It's just much easier to use gedit to edit WML (although it's a worse program) because it's quicker for people like me to do things like paste in lines from other .cfg files.
20091102 18:19:48< esr> Aethaeryn: I don't understand My Emacs does these.
20091102 18:19:48< Aethaeryn> And I paste in code far more than I write code from scratch (even if I originally wrote the code, I'm going to recycle it on every one of my maps and scenarios that it relates to rather than to have to take the time to write it out and make sure it works again.)
20091102 18:20:02< esr> Oh, wait.
20091102 18:20:14< esr> I see what you mean.
20091102 18:20:38< esr> The functions are there, but I was missing that they keymappings are different.
20091102 18:20:49< Aethaeryn> It's just hard for me to use emacs when for 15 years I've been doing ctrl+c and ctrl+v etc.
20091102 18:21:28< esr> For me it's the other way arrond - I have trouble with GNOME bindings becayuse I'm used to Emacs.
20091102 18:22:15< fendrin> esr: have_location, is also a valid tag inside [if]
20091102 18:22:22< esr> It would not be hared to write a GNOME mode that sets these up.
20091102 18:22:31< Aethaeryn> Well, even when it's different it's usually similar, like ctrl+shift+c and ctrl+shift+v for GNOME Terminal.
20091102 18:22:55< Aethaeryn> esr: Wait, nevermind.
20091102 18:23:21< Aethaeryn> I'd like to believe that this was added sometime in the past 6 months...
20091102 18:23:21< fendrin> esr: There are at least 18 bugs inside [if] inside main.
20091102 18:23:50< Aethaeryn> esr: Under the Options menu there's a checkbox: [ ] C-x, C-v, C-p Cut and Paste (CUA)
20091102 18:23:58< Aethaeryn> I definitely did not notice that.
20091102 18:23:59< esr> fendrin: I wll find them.
20091102 18:24:18< Aethaeryn> Ctrl+z too... o.o
20091102 18:24:49< Aethaeryn> Wow, that's kinda embarrassing. 
20091102 18:25:06< Aethaeryn> I *really* hope it's only recently been that easy to do
20091102 18:25:20< fendrin> esr: Just code wmllint to find them. I can fix them then.
20091102 18:25:46< esr> fendrin: I'll do that.  Within 90 minutes or so.
20091102 18:26:34< esr> I'm chasing another wmllint problem right now - for some reason it has not been spellchecking unit descriptions.
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20091102 18:30:23< fendrin> esr: All sort of filter* should not work directly inside [then] or [else] but there are hits.
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20091102 18:41:01< noy> shadowmaster: has there been some change to the login properties of the forums in the last month?
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20091102 18:45:43< fendrin> esr: somewhere is a attribute called "me" inside a [filter]
20091102 18:45:49< esr> Ivanovic: The typos wmllint ws missing appear to be to problems in the PyEnchant library I'm using for spellchecking.  I have verified that it dpoes indeed see typos in unit descriptions,., it just shoews some tendency to ignore them :-(
20091102 18:46:09< Ivanovic> okay
20091102 18:46:34< esr> fendrin: I'm testing the detector for illegal [if] children.
20091102 18:48:05< fendrin> esr: all the named children without then and else are conditional tags.
20091102 18:49:36< esr> fendrin: Sorry, I didn't understand that last.
20091102 18:51:22< fendrin> esr: It makes sense to define a list or set of conditional tags, they are used in several places, not only in if. But that set should not contain "then" and "else".
20091102 18:51:48< esr> fedrin: Eithe [frame] is legal inside [if] or every animation in the unverse id broken.
20091102 18:53:14< esr> Rerunning test with [frame] added to the allowed set.
20091102 18:53:40< esr> [missile_frame], too.
20091102 18:55:08< fendrin> esr: The wike knows nothing about frame or missile_frame in context of if.
20091102 18:55:57< esr> Hmmm...also [sling_stone_frame]
20091102 18:56:27< esr> I have a guess that boucman puit this stuff in and never documented it.
20091102 18:56:30< fendrin> esr: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AnimationWML knows about it. Seems we have to different if one in animation context one in action wml context.
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20091102 19:00:36< esr> fendrin: OK, I'm starting to see real bugs now.  I'll have this test sorted out in a few more passes.
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20091102 19:11:38< AnMaster> has the svn location changed or is it just down atm?
20091102 19:12:44< loonycyborg> Neither.
20091102 19:12:49< AnMaster> loonycyborg, maybe just me then
20091102 19:13:15< esr> fendrin: OK, I'm seeing 2 real wrong-tag-withon-if bugs.  In DM, as it happens.
20091102 19:15:21< loonycyborg> AnMaster: I had an issue with connecting to svn.gna.org too recently. It ended up being an old ip hardcoded in /etc/hosts :P
20091102 19:16:00< AnMaster> loonycyborg, no such issue here. And it started working half a minute ago
20091102 19:16:05< AnMaster> hm
20091102 19:16:19< CIA-61> esr * r39576 /trunk/data/tools/wmllint: Test for malformed if statements.
20091102 19:16:29< esr> fendrin: Committed.  Tryt it out.
20091102 19:18:56< fendrin> esr: only 2? All other tags are animation wml tags? 
20091102 19:19:02< esr> Yes.
20091102 19:19:28< esr> All have _frame suffix, anyway.
20091102 19:19:41< fendrin> what about delay and event?
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20091102 19:26:37< mordante> servus
20091102 19:27:17< CIA-61> fendrin * r39577 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/19_showdown_in_the_northern_swamp.cfg: DM 19: Moved a not executed kill action tag.
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20091102 19:31:44< fendrin> esr: What about delay, message and event? There should be hits for them inside [if]. And those are not animation wml, are they?
20091102 19:33:21< esr> fendrin: Can you point me at a file location where one of these occurs?
20091102 19:35:45< zookeeper> (if you're looking for invalid tags inside [if], then remember that [insert_tag] is valid there)
20091102 19:35:58< esr> mordante: You were looking for me yesterday?
20091102 19:36:23< mordante> esr, yes I was wondering how your C++ paper is coming along
20091102 19:36:47< esr> Stalled.  I'm here in PA, my collaborator is in Austin.
20091102 19:36:54< fendrin> esr: No, I have not the slightest idea how I could do that. All I know is that I can tab complete delay event and message for example in "if". And normaly that means the wesnoth wml mode has scanned that somewhere in data
20091102 19:37:04< esr> Hm.
20091102 19:37:09< mordante> esr, :-( I was looking forward to read it
20091102 19:38:46 * esr wonders if there could be a bug in the WML-mode scanner.
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20091102 19:49:38< esr> fendrin: How is the auriompletion tree generated?
20091102 19:49:57< esr> s/auriompletion/autocompletion/
20091102 19:50:06< fendrin> with the emacs command wesnoth-update
20091102 19:55:08< esr> OK, I'll look at it.
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20091102 20:03:19< Aethaeryn> esr: Mind settling a little translation dispute?
20091102 20:03:37< esr> Aethaeryn: Be glad to.
20091102 20:03:40< Aethaeryn> It's all over what word is better for "guard" in "The South Guard" in #Wesnoth-la 
20091102 20:04:06< Aethaeryn> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net/logs/2009-11/%23wesnoth-la-2009-11-02.log <- starts at 19:53
20091102 20:05:34< Aethaeryn> It comes down to: is the "Guard" in the title an impersonal outpost or literally guardsmen?
20091102 20:07:24< esr> Aethaeryn: Sorry, but I think Deusite is right about this one.  Bearing in mind that my knowledge of Latin is limited, I think "guard" is better translated as "praesidio" here.  Though I also think we could use "legio" and get the sense right.
20091102 20:08:12< esr> I might be tempted to go for "legio", actually. 
20091102 20:09:48< Aethaeryn> esr: That's a suitable compromise
20091102 20:10:32< esr> Yeah, the more I think about it, the better "legio" sounds.
20091102 20:12:20< Aethaeryn> esr: you might just want to join #Wesnoth-la if you don't mind, we're translating campaign titles so no real grammatical knowledge is required, just taste
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20091102 20:18:45< CIA-61> caslav_ilic * r39578 /trunk/ (14 files in 7 dirs): Updated localized images for Italian.
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20091102 21:29:09< Chusslove> Ivanovic: I just got sent images for the manual -- any problem if I handle them?
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20091102 21:44:21< Ivanovic> no, just handle them, too
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20091102 22:03:31< esr> fendrin: I'm stepping through instances of [delay] by hand to see if there's a real hit there.
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20091102 23:09:18< fendrin> esr: any success?
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20091102 23:10:32< esr> fendrin: I got caught up in Aethaeryn's discussion of Latin translation problems halfway through, sorry.  I'll plow through the rest.
20091102 23:13:33< esr> fendrin: 60%...
20091102 23:14:54< fendrin> esr: If you do any changes to the wml emacs mode, please try to fix it writing the extracted wml tree into a single line in it's config file. I guess the syntax of lisp allows this.
20091102 23:15:35< esr> fendrin: Yes, and I've actually been meaning to fix that for a while.
20091102 23:16:32< esr> Er, would it surprise you to learn that I am a LISP programmer of very long experince?  Like, 33 years, now that I think about it...
20091102 23:17:17< esr> Dinosaurs walked the earth in those days. OK, we called them "mainframes".
20091102 23:18:50< esr> 66% and I'm starting to feel pretty sure there's a bug in the tree compiler.
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20091102 23:20:26< esr> 75%
20091102 23:21:29< fendrin> esr: I know you have been active in emacs programming for a long time. Something with cvs I believe. I guess you are the best person to take over that wml mode.
20091102 23:21:58< esr> Undoubtedly.  Sigh...
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20091102 23:32:45< fendrin> boucman: Hello, did you implement the [if] tag in animations wml?
20091102 23:34:21< boucman> fendrin: not sure what you mean, but there has been an [if] tag since 1.4IIRC
20091102 23:35:31< fendrin> boucman: the if tag in animation wml has a different syntax compared to all other if tags in wml. Can it be renamed or changed to resolve confusion between the 2 syntaxes?
20091102 23:36:22< boucman> that would be tricky knowing how often it's used, and definitely not in the 1.8 timeframe
20091102 23:37:41< fendrin> I thougt so. I am going to fill a feature request for the issue.
20091102 23:38:15< boucman> assign it to me, but after discussion with whoever is interested, we might mark as won't do
20091102 23:38:51< fendrin> okay
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20091102 23:40:01< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20091102 23:57:25< shadowmaster> wesbot: seen noy.
20091102 23:57:34< shadowmaster> um, never mind.
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