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20091108 00:02:18< AI0867> loonycyborg: the issue is that the mozilla people first removed MNG (moving network graphics), then later decided they wanted an image format that supports both animation AND an alpha channel and bolted this on to PNG
20091108 00:03:43< AI0867> the libpng people refused this patch (for good reasons), so now firefox is shipped with a statically linked nonstandard libpng
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20091108 00:05:17< Aethaeryn> AI0867: The only solution to this mess would be the Acid 4 test
20091108 00:10:40< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: what has that to do ?
20091108 00:10:53< shadowmaster> I mean, I know what the Acid tests are. Ah wait-
20091108 00:11:01< shadowmaster> ignore those two lines.
20091108 00:11:38< shadowmaster> although they are supposed to test standards... apng isn't a standard at this time.
20091108 00:14:11< Aethaeryn> acid 4 isn't a test at this time :)
20091108 00:15:00< Aethaeryn> We can always hope they do the right thing and kill gif once and for all :P
20091108 00:15:08< shadowmaster> and we should make sure apng doesn't become a standard.
20091108 00:15:26< Aethaeryn> Well, yes, but they'd be forced to switch to or at least support the standard
20091108 00:15:30< Aethaeryn> If it were in an acid test.
20091108 00:15:42< Aethaeryn> IE is the only browser maker who doesn't focus at least partially on passing the test.
20091108 00:15:52< Aethaeryn> *The IE team
20091108 00:16:01< Aethaeryn> That sentence was gramatically incorrect.
20091108 00:16:07< shadowmaster> and I'd still struggle to make sure our stuff works correctly on IE.
20091108 00:16:21< Aethaeryn> Microsoft's philosophy: screw standards, let's *make* our own standards!
20091108 00:16:31< shadowmaster> it's much easier than trying to deal with a bunch of apathetic morons who will use whatever Microsoft sticks in the OS.
20091108 00:17:10< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: a windows 7 sdk beta includes a similar message to that, ironically.
20091108 00:17:11< Aethaeryn> At least, that's my two cents from what I've seen on just about everything from Microsoft Office (R) to Microsoft Internet Explorer (R) and all of the Microsoft (R) programming languages.
20091108 00:17:16< shadowmaster> they're not ashamed.
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20091108 00:18:01< Aethaeryn> I know. And if you own a significant share of the market, especially if it is a plurality or barely a majority, you might *want* to do such a thing.
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20091108 00:51:48< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: The way we want to be credited is how it's listed in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LatinTranslation
20091108 00:52:12< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: and the email is comign in, Deusite_ just translated a lot more than I expected so it'll take a while to review and add them to the PO file.
20091108 00:52:52< Aethaeryn> (Well, probably excluding the maintainer note after my name if that's not uniform...)
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20091108 00:56:50< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: add a diff for data/core/about.cfg regarind how to add you to the credits
20091108 00:57:04< Ivanovic> i will most likely not search the wiki for all possible credit entries
20091108 00:57:06< Ivanovic> ;)
20091108 00:57:58< stikonas> Ivanovic: when you will commit Latin translations, commit Lithuanian as well
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20091108 00:58:08< Ivanovic> stikonas: will do so
20091108 00:58:12< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: it's in the page itself...
20091108 00:58:14< Ivanovic> just have someone here visiting me
20091108 00:58:33< lukjad007> Is this the page for questions about the AI of wesnoth?
20091108 00:58:46< lukjad007> Or just for the devs to build it?
20091108 00:58:51< shadowmaster> lukjad007: this is not a page. It is an IRC channel.
20091108 00:59:02< shadowmaster> but yes, this is the developers' IRC channel.
20091108 00:59:13 * stikonas wonders where is mordante
20091108 00:59:18< shadowmaster> mordante is sleeping.
20091108 00:59:22< lukjad007> shadowmaster Hah. Sorry, I'm a forums junkie, I tend to use weird terms
20091108 00:59:54< shadowmaster> stikonas: you may just write messages starting with mordante: here and he'll probably read them tomorrow though.
20091108 01:00:43< lukjad007> I was wondering if there was a way to set how/where the AI attacks and how aggressive/smart it is. Is there such a setting? Or perhaps there is a resource for this, I'm brand new to campaign development.
20091108 01:01:21< Aethaeryn> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Versus_Vesnotei#Units_.28Remaining.29 <- might take a while to review maybe 100 more strings
20091108 01:01:24< Aethaeryn> :P
20091108 01:01:59< shadowmaster> lukjad007: you can adjust the AI's targetting, yes.
20091108 01:02:29< shadowmaster> notice that http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReferenceWML is pretty much the starting point for any WML question.
20091108 01:02:39< lukjad007> Thank you Aethaeryn and shadowmaster.
20091108 01:02:40< stikonas> mordante: There are some text layout issues in help system: http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/as932/files/wesnoth-help.png I wonder if this is caused gui2. Then maybe you will be able to fix it.
20091108 01:02:52< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: in this case, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AiWML
20091108 01:03:01< shadowmaster> er, lukjad007, in this case, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AiWML
20091108 01:03:09< lukjad007> shadowmaster Thank you
20091108 01:03:12< shadowmaster> also Aethaeryn wasn't replying to you. :P
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20091108 01:06:48< lukjad007> notshadowmaster Heh. I was wondering...
20091108 01:06:49< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Yes, i was talking to stikonas... Apparently I didn't scroll down all the way or something; didn't see the later chat.
20091108 01:06:57< Aethaeryn> I meant to say "Might take a while to send in Latin translation"
20091108 01:08:09< stikonas> I don't care :), I just need Lithuanian updates in Wesnoth 1.7.8
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20091108 01:18:38< CIA-61> ivanovic * r39610 /trunk/po/ (10 files in 10 dirs): updated Lithuanian translation
20091108 01:18:42< stikonas> thanks
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20091108 01:32:11< stikonas> esr: ping
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20091108 01:33:15< stikonas> esr: you have introduced syntax error in data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/18_the_portal_of_doom.cfg
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20091108 01:34:48< stikonas> http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/as932/files/wml_syntax_error.diff
20091108 01:35:10< stikonas> shadowmaster: maybe you can commit this ^^
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20091108 01:38:08< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r39611 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/18_the_portal_of_doom.cfg: 
20091108 01:38:08< CIA-61> Remove a stray character in DM scenario 18, which broke the WML.
20091108 01:38:08< CIA-61> Spotted by stikonas.
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20091108 02:44:16< esr> stikonas: I'm back, I'll look at it.
20091108 02:45:39< stikonas> esr: it is already fixed
20091108 02:45:51< esr> OK.
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20091108 08:12:55< CIA-61> espreon * r39612 /trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Added the Latin Wesnoth logo; enabled localized images for the Latin translation.
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20091108 08:23:27< CIA-61> espreon * r39613 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Updated credits for the Latin translation.
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20091108 08:28:12< CIA-61> espreon * r39614 /branches/resources/image-localization/la/ (. logo.xcf): Added xcf for the Latin logo.
20091108 08:28:43< CIA-61> espreon * r39615 /branches/resources/image-localization/templates/bfw-logo/bfw-logo.xcf: Made the logo template a lot wider.
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20091108 08:53:59< CIA-61> espreon * r39616 /branches/resources/image-localization/tutorial/ (3 files): Updated logo translation tutorial images.
20091108 08:55:39< CIA-61> espreon * r39617 /branches/resources/image-localization/tutorial/ (26 files): Ran set-properties on the tutorial images' directory.
20091108 08:59:28< CIA-61> espreon * r39618 /branches/resources/ (88 files in 10 dirs): Ran set-properties on the entire resources branch.
20091108 09:13:53< CIA-61> espreon * r39619 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/workshop/coords-temporary.txt: Ran dos2unix on coords-temporary.txt.
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20091108 09:15:52< Espreon> Hello deekay.
20091108 09:20:13< CIA-61> espreon * r39620 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/COPYING: Removed the svn:keywords property from COPYING.
20091108 09:24:16< deekay> hello everyone
20091108 09:24:47 * deekay wanted to say "good morning" but then he noticed weather outside... ;)
20091108 09:25:10< deekay> hi Espreon 
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20091108 09:27:21< Espreon> Hooray for Netsplit...
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20091108 09:31:20< CIA-61> espreon * r39621 /branches/resources/image-localization/tutorial/ (shield-w-text-final.jpg text-base-final.jpg): Created jpgs of a couple of tutorial images.
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20091108 09:35:33< Espreon> Well... good "night"...
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20091108 10:48:15< Ivanovic> moin
20091108 10:56:50< deekay> hi Ivanovic 
20091108 10:57:18< Ivanovic> hi deekay, how are things?
20091108 10:57:34< Ivanovic> so you already have an idea if you will make it to the next foxdem?
20091108 10:57:42< Ivanovic> s/foxdem/fosdem
20091108 10:57:49< Ivanovic> (too early for me to type correctly)
20091108 10:57:52< deekay> A bit busy lately (work + uni) and a bit tired ;)
20091108 10:58:31< Ivanovic> i am currently *damn* tired, though the reason for this is that i just got out of bed
20091108 10:58:33< Ivanovic> ;)
20091108 10:58:50< deekay> hehe
20091108 10:59:15< deekay> I don't think I'll be going for fosdem this time
20091108 10:59:36< deekay> Tho I'm not 100% certain yet
20091108 11:01:03< Ivanovic> :(
20091108 11:02:08< Ivanovic> yeah, fosdem is really early this year which is probably going to be problematic for you and ilor
20091108 11:03:14< deekay> Will see :)
20091108 11:03:28< deekay> Well, I wasn't around lately too much (at all)
20091108 11:03:43< deekay> How is it going with release etc?
20091108 11:04:11< Ivanovic> i consider releasing 1.7.8 today
20091108 11:04:52< deekay> How much more 1.7.Xs?
20091108 11:04:56< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, deekay, esr, shadowmaster, silene, Soliton_, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: what do you think of releasing 1.7.8 today?
20091108 11:04:57< deekay> Any clue?
20091108 11:05:01< Ivanovic> deekay: really not sure
20091108 11:05:14< Ivanovic> that is: 1.7.8 will get a -beta1 attached
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20091108 11:19:59< deekay> I'm not really sure if I manage to look at anything soon
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20091108 11:40:24< CIA-61> silene * r39622 /trunk/po/wesnoth/fr.po: Updated French translation a bit.
20091108 11:40:28< CIA-61> silene * r39623 /trunk/src/font.cpp: Fixed shadows of map labels being truncated.
20091108 11:40:39< silene> Ivanovic: that's fine with me
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20091108 12:58:09< mordante> servus
20091108 12:58:23< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20091108 12:58:30< Ivanovic> mordante: any blockers left on your side for 1.7.8?
20091108 12:58:34< stikonas> hi mordante
20091108 12:58:46< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20091108 12:58:51< mordante> no blockers for me
20091108 12:58:58< mordante> hi stikonas
20091108 12:59:05< stikonas> mordante: do you know if this is caused by gui2 http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/as932/files/wesnoth-help.png ?
20091108 12:59:06< mordante> stikonas, you were looking for me last week
20091108 12:59:39< mordante> stikonas, no that dialog is still gui2
20091108 12:59:41< mordante> 1*
20091108 13:00:04< stikonas> then maybe this will be fixed after migration to gui2
20091108 13:00:30< mordante> probably
20091108 13:09:19< mordante> Ivanovic, http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=392676#p392676
20091108 13:09:50< Ivanovic> mkay
20091108 13:10:16< mordante> I fixed it when you ran into it a while agoit was the crash you ran into a while ago
20091108 13:10:41< mordante>  I fixed it when you ran into it a while ago*
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20091108 13:31:35< AI0867> about jwsmtp, the author explicitly states GPLv2, no later versions
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20091108 13:43:57< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: ARe you still going to release 1.7.8 today?
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20091108 13:54:28< CIA-61> silene * r39624 /trunk/src/ (help.cpp marked-up_text.cpp marked-up_text.hpp): Fixed wrapping behavior at eol when the last words are preceeded by a block of special text (e.g. italic).
20091108 13:54:33< CIA-61> silene * r39625 /trunk/src/help.cpp: Ensured the first space is not carried away when moving down one line.
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20091108 14:08:26< stikonas> thanks: ^^
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20091108 14:19:24< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: i hope so
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20091108 14:25:02< stikonas> will 1.7.8 be a beta release or still ordinary development release?
20091108 14:25:49< Ivanovic> yes, it will be the first beta
20091108 14:27:20< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: Okay, I'm going to finish checking the other translator's work and then send what I have.
20091108 14:27:32< Aethaeryn> I might be able to get more done today, but I probably won't get it in for 1.7.8
20091108 14:27:38< silene> stikonas: both bugs are now fixed, thanks for the report
20091108 14:27:50< stikonas> silene: thanks
20091108 14:33:47< CIA-61> silene * r39626 /trunk/po/wesnoth/fr.po: Fixed typo.
20091108 14:37:46< AI0867> Ivanovic: now that we're certain about jwsmtp licensing, should I proceed with stripping it out?
20091108 14:38:33< loonycyborg> AI0867: iirc to was decided to wait for Baufo to respond.
20091108 14:39:37< AI0867> well, in case a decision is made, I have a commit ready here
20091108 14:41:23< mordante> AI0867, it works for all build systems?
20091108 14:42:35< AI0867> I've removed the involved files from Makefile.am, Sconstruct and CmakeLists.txt
20091108 14:43:36< AI0867> I haven't actually tested it under cmake or autotools, but if it works when removing 4 files in scons, I'd assume it will too in cmake and autotools
20091108 14:44:28< loonycyborg> Was it even called from wesnoth's own sources?
20091108 14:44:39< AI0867> sort-of
20091108 14:44:57< AI0867> user_handler has a send_mail() function
20091108 14:45:05< AI0867> but send_mail() wasn't used
20091108 14:45:58< mordante> Soliton_, did baufo reply?
20091108 14:46:38< mordante> I prefer to get rid of the code before the release and possibly revert the commit afterwards if there's a good reason to
20091108 14:47:03< mordante> I rather not release a version where we knowingly are GPL2 only
20091108 14:48:25< Ivanovic> i'd guess that baufo has not replied
20091108 14:48:53< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: putting together file, will send email shortly
20091108 14:50:26< esr_> Ivanovic: Ever since I created #forgeplucker and became a freenode channel op, it doesn't want to log "esr" off when I leave.  Does this happen to you?  If so, what do I do about it?
20091108 14:51:13< Ivanovic> esr_: you can ghost esr
20091108 14:51:29< Ivanovic> this one should do it: /nickserv ghosr esr
20091108 14:51:33< esr_> Ivanovic: ?
20091108 14:51:55< esr_> What does that actually do?
20091108 14:52:04< Ivanovic> it kicks that user
20091108 14:52:04< AI0867> remove the 'esr' user
20091108 14:52:34< AI0867> in case your client doesn't provide that alias, "/msg nickserv ghost esr" should do it
20091108 14:52:51< Ivanovic> though you should also register esr_ and link it to esr
20091108 14:54:02< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: translation sent
20091108 14:54:11< esr_> I loh offSo this behavior (the server believing I'm still logged in even after I have keft) is normal?
20091108 14:54:27< Ivanovic> esr_: not normal
20091108 14:54:40< Ivanovic> though if the regular pings still work, it will believe the client is still online
20091108 14:55:03< Ivanovic> that is: yes, when you logout your client eventually it should die
20091108 14:55:11< Ivanovic> the normal timeout is 5min IIRC
20091108 14:55:36< esr_> Ah.  I'll try logging out for 10 minutes, then.
20091108 14:56:09< Ivanovic> just use the ghost command and be done
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20091108 15:01:23< Aethaeryn> Ghosting is fun.
20091108 15:09:55< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: are you going to reset the add-on server for beta or just 1.8 proper?
20091108 15:10:08< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: i don't know yet if i will reset it at all
20091108 15:10:29< CIA-61> dragonking * r39627 /trunk/src/ (formula_tokenizer.cpp formula_tokenizer.hpp): Improved tokenizer for formula language
20091108 15:11:06< deekay> ok, something from me for 1.7.8... completely forgot that I was supposed to commit it like 1 month ago...
20091108 15:11:10< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: I'd recommend resetting it. The top two add-ons are not very representative of quality.
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20091108 15:11:20< AI0867> esr: this one was immediate, but grepping through the logs, I see a number of non-graceful quits, which take a few minutes to time out as Ivanovic said
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20091108 15:11:25< Aethaeryn> The first has the description "my first era" and doesn't have that good of art, and the second has worse art/map design.
20091108 15:12:21< Aethaeryn> In the 1.6 IftU and EoM was at top, in 1.4 ANL and EE were at top. Idk how the general playerbase would react if two rather amateur and unmaintained add-ons were at top.
20091108 15:13:29< Aethaeryn> (This is kinda related to my whole idea of "featured add-ons" being allowed to break the default sorting, appearing on the top of the list at default view... but that's irrelevent atm.)
20091108 15:15:49< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: A lot of add-on maintainers ignored 1.7 altogether. Most, even. So what you'd wind up with is incomplete/abandonned/not-quality add-ons being on top and with far more downloads (whatever comes first gets more downloads) than the quality ones.
20091108 15:16:48 * deekay disappears
20091108 15:23:11< CIA-61> silene * r39628 /trunk/po/wesnoth-units/fr.po: Updated French translation a bit.
20091108 15:29:05< CIA-61> ivanovic * r39629 /trunk/po/ (12 files in 12 dirs): updated Latin translation
20091108 15:29:47< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: yes, it makes sense
20091108 15:30:19< Ivanovic> Soliton_: around?
20091108 15:30:47< Ivanovic> Soliton_: what do you think of starting an additional addon server on a new port, leaving the "old" one where it is for the moment, so that no content is lost?
20091108 15:31:06< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: basically, my plan is rather evil and corrupt in that you get to give add-on maintainers a heads-up on when the server resets so a lot of good 1.6 add-ons are at the top of the list. :P
20091108 15:31:22< Aethaeryn> But it's not selfish, since I'll admit that there are add-ons more deserved of first page than my mappack.
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20091108 15:34:36< stikonas> who is dragonking here?
20091108 15:34:40< AI0867> deekay
20091108 15:34:42< Ivanovic> deekay: your change introduces a warning
20091108 15:34:51< Ivanovic> /src/wesnoth/src/formula_tokenizer.cpp: In function 'formula_tokenizer::token formula_tokenizer::get_token(formula_tokenizer::iterator&, formula_tokenizer::iterator)':
20091108 15:34:52< Ivanovic> /src/wesnoth/src/formula_tokenizer.cpp:254: error: control reaches end of non-void function
20091108 15:34:54< Ivanovic> please fix it
20091108 15:35:15< stikonas> deekay already disappeared
20091108 15:35:18< stikonas> Ivanovic: ^^
20091108 15:35:36< AI0867> I'll take a look
20091108 15:35:43< CIA-61> ai0867 * r39630 /trunk/src/soundsource.cpp: Fix copy-paste error
20091108 15:35:58< stikonas> probably adding a simple return 0 will be enough
20091108 15:36:55< AI0867> yeah
20091108 15:42:10< CIA-61> ai0867 * r39631 /trunk/src/formula_tokenizer.cpp: Return 0 at end of main()
20091108 15:45:16< Ivanovic> still, even after the svn up i get this one:
20091108 15:45:17< stikonas> AI0867: you haven't fixed all cases of unreturned funtions
20091108 15:45:18< Ivanovic> /src/wesnoth/src/formula_tokenizer.cpp: In function 'formula_tokenizer::token formula_tokenizer::get_token(formula_tokenizer::iterator&, formula_tokenizer::iterator)':
20091108 15:45:20< Ivanovic> /src/wesnoth/src/formula_tokenizer.cpp:254: error: control reaches end of non-void function
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20091108 15:47:16< AI0867> I'm still compiling...
20091108 15:47:31< AI0867> eeepcs aren't ideal for this job
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20091108 15:48:29< AI0867> Ivanovic: I didn't get that warning though, which version of g++ are you running?
20091108 15:48:53< AI0867> :q
20091108 15:48:56< AI0867> er
20091108 15:49:15< Ivanovic> gcc (Gentoo 4.4.2 p1.0) 4.4.2
20091108 15:50:29< AI0867> g++ (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) 4.3.2
20091108 15:54:32< CIA-61> ivanovic * r39632 /trunk/po/wesnoth-manpages/hu.po: fixed broken syntax in hungarian manpages
20091108 15:54:35< boucman> back...
20091108 15:54:42< boucman> Ivanovic: I'm good with 1.7.8
20091108 15:54:54< boucman> and i'd second the call to reset the 1.8 addon server
20091108 15:55:25< boucman> since beta is the point where we usually try to be compatible wml wise, it would be the most logicall point to make an add-on reset
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20091108 15:55:38< CIA-61> ivanovic * r39633 /trunk/ (143 files in 25 dirs): 
20091108 15:55:38< CIA-61> pot-update (no string changes, reference update only)
20091108 15:55:38< CIA-61> regenerated doc files
20091108 15:55:46< Ivanovic> boucman: it will not be a "real" reset, it will just be "new port, new server"
20091108 15:55:48< boucman> it's better than doing it at 1.8 time since it leaves time for the writers to convert
20091108 15:55:53< Ivanovic> jupp
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20091108 15:56:36< esr_> Ivanovic: Lohging out for 10 minutes didn;t clear it up, sigh.
20091108 15:56:50< Ivanovic> esr_: kill the old client!
20091108 15:56:55< boucman> esr_: just ghost it...
20091108 15:56:56< Aethaeryn> esr_: /msg nickserv ghost esr
20091108 15:56:59< Ivanovic> use: /nickser ghost esr
20091108 15:57:10< Ivanovic> argh, okay, "nickserv", not "nicker"
20091108 15:57:25< esr_> I did kill the old client.  Repeatedly.  ASnd when I try to ghost, it says I can't do that.
20091108 15:57:45< Aethaeryn> oooh, because your nick isn't linked
20091108 15:57:52< loonycyborg> esr_: /msg nickserv ghost esr yourpassword 
20091108 15:57:53< Aethaeryn> or you're not identified under that nick or whatever
20091108 15:58:16< Ivanovic> esr_: you can always ghost, though you have to use the passrod
20091108 15:58:24< Ivanovic> uhm, password
20091108 15:58:31-!- esr [n=chatzill@wesnoth/developer/esr] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
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20091108 15:58:46< Ivanovic> [Notice] -NickServ- Syntax: GHOST <nick> [password]
20091108 15:58:58< Ivanovic> and you might want to register esr_ and link it to esr
20091108 15:59:25< esr> OK, that seems to have fixed it.
20091108 15:59:27< loonycyborg> iirc you don't need to register it.
20091108 15:59:47< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: for linking and getting the cloak for esr_, too, he has to register and link
20091108 16:00:14< Ivanovic> that is: when nicks are linked you don't need the password anymore to ghost the linked nick (when you are authorized that is)
20091108 16:01:41< loonycyborg> I mean if he already has esr registered, he doesn't need to register esr_ too in order to link them.
20091108 16:01:53< Ivanovic> ah, right
20091108 16:02:00< Ivanovic> he just needs the password for esr
20091108 16:02:10< loonycyborg> He only needs to change to the nick and do /msg nickserv group
20091108 16:02:16< esr> What's the linking command?
20091108 16:02:48< loonycyborg> Change to esr_ and /msg NickServ GROUP
20091108 16:03:03< Ivanovic> this command tells you exactly what it does: /nickserv help group
20091108 16:03:20< AI0867> 16:03 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-     /msg NickServ IDENTIFY OldNick SecretPassword
20091108 16:03:23< AI0867> 16:03 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-     /msg NickServ GROUP
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20091108 16:08:48< CIA-61> loonycyborg * r39634 /trunk/src/formula_tokenizer.cpp: Fixed a compile warning.
20091108 16:10:57< AI0867> my fix is *still* compiling...
20091108 16:15:35< loonycyborg> You're lucky that you didn't unleash the OOM killer on that eeepc :P
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20091108 16:27:19< AI0867> loonycyborg: 1 GB is plenty, especially when your window manager is ratpoison
20091108 16:27:54< AI0867> the problem: model name      : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor          900MHz
20091108 16:29:01< CIA-61> mordante * r39635 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/event/handler.cpp: Fix sort order of includes.
20091108 16:29:10< CIA-61> mordante * r39636 /trunk/src/ (preferences_display.cpp preferences_display.hpp): 
20091108 16:29:10< CIA-61> Add an overloaded set_resolution.
20091108 16:29:10< CIA-61> This version is easier to use from gui2.
20091108 16:29:19< CIA-61> mordante * r39637 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/window.cpp: 
20091108 16:29:19< CIA-61> Add new helper code.
20091108 16:29:19< CIA-61> The code needs to be enabled later to fix the problems with resizing.
20091108 16:29:26< CIA-61> mordante * r39638 /trunk/src/formula_tokenizer.cpp: Strip trailing whitespace.
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20091108 17:17:12< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: what is wesnoth-manpages for?
20091108 17:17:32< Ivanovic> type "man wesnoth" or "man wesnothd" in a terminal and you will see
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20091108 17:18:27< Aethaeryn> ah, I never scons install so I wouldn't know
20091108 17:20:30< mordante> crimson_penguin, can you test this patch for your blur issue? http://paste.debian.net/51027/
20091108 17:22:13< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: is there an alternative way to see the manual or do I have to have it installed?
20091108 17:22:27< Ivanovic> manual != manpages!
20091108 17:22:40< Aethaeryn> the manpages, sorry
20091108 17:22:52< Ivanovic> to see the manpages they have first to be generated for the lang, then you can also open them using man doc/man/wesnoth.6
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20091108 17:33:30< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: do I not translate "WESNOTH" and "wesnoth" in the manpage since it's referring to the program?
20091108 17:33:50< Ivanovic> no idea
20091108 17:34:01< Ivanovic> german is rather convenient here, since we just left the name
20091108 17:34:03< Ivanovic> ;)
20091108 17:34:41< Ivanovic> you should just be carefull to check where the binary is meant (wesnoth) and all the likes
20091108 17:34:55< Ivanovic> so maybe read through the english version and check what does make sense
20091108 17:35:10< Ivanovic> and make sure to get the syntax correct!
20091108 17:35:46< Aethaeryn> I'm reading wesnoth.6 in the folder you told me to check... but it has some marking I don't think the humans will see when they do "man wesnoth"
20091108 17:35:49< Ivanovic> there is no "small L" used with <term>, and it is not a pipe (|) either, it is a capital i you will see
20091108 17:36:04< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: just call the file with "man filename"
20091108 17:36:17< Ivanovic> then you can read it just as humans see it when viewing it via file
20091108 17:36:21< Ivanovic> s/file/man
20091108 17:39:24< crimson_penguin> mordante: if you tell me how to apply it :P
20091108 17:39:31 * crimson_penguin will never remember how to use patches
20091108 17:40:07< crimson_penguin> mordante: I'm in the wesnoth dir with blur_patch.txt in there
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20091108 17:41:27 * crimson_penguin figured it out, but thinks he needs to update svn first
20091108 17:43:22< mordante> crimson_penguin, no real need to update svn
20091108 17:44:01< crimson_penguin> mordante: looks that way, but this is what I got: patching file src/sdl_utils.cpp \n patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line \n Hunk #6 succeeded at 1233 with fuzz 1.
20091108 17:44:20< crimson_penguin> is that OK?
20091108 17:44:33< crimson_penguin> I did patch -p1 < blur_patch.txt
20091108 17:44:48< mordante> in which directory?
20091108 17:45:08< crimson_penguin> the root wesnoth directory
20091108 17:45:16< mordante> that's good
20091108 17:45:36< mordante> but the message of patch isn't good
20091108 17:45:52< crimson_penguin> maybe you could just send me your file?
20091108 17:46:48< mordante> I can do that, just checked and the last modification to sdl_utils.cpp was on the 20th of August
20091108 17:47:44< mordante> crimson_penguin, http://paste.debian.net/51035/
20091108 17:48:46< crimson_penguin> k
20091108 17:50:13< crimson_penguin> XCode always takes a while to open the Wesnoth project :-/
20091108 17:51:54< crimson_penguin> wow, for one update of top, Safari was using >400% CPU (I only have 2 cores)
20091108 17:52:20< mordante> hyperthreading?
20091108 17:52:45< crimson_penguin> UGH, I can tell that something is crashing, because spindump is killing my music and using CPU, but I can't tell what it is, and it's been a while...
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20091108 17:54:31< mordante> hi Baufo 
20091108 17:54:42< Ivanovic> mordante: the macs don't have hyperthreading so far
20091108 17:54:46< Ivanovic> hi Baufo
20091108 17:54:56< Ivanovic> Baufo: you got the message from soliton regarding the lib you added?
20091108 17:55:05< Baufo> hey mordante, Ivanovic and everyone else
20091108 17:55:06< mordante> Ivanovic, don't they use intel processors?
20091108 17:55:13< Ivanovic> we are currently working on "cleaning the mess"
20091108 17:55:24< Ivanovic> mordante: they do, but the ones they use don't have HT
20091108 17:55:24< Baufo> Ivanovic, yeah, I got it
20091108 17:55:31 * crimson_penguin has a Core2Duo 2.4Ghz
20091108 17:55:45< Ivanovic> mordante: only P4 plus some "extreme series" (as well as *some* of the core i*) have HT
20091108 17:55:50< Ivanovic> normal core2 don't
20091108 17:56:00< mordante> ah ok
20091108 17:56:06< fendrin> only current atom intel cpu have ht
20091108 17:56:23< Ivanovic> Baufo: regarding the lib you added, AI0867 has a patch ready to remove this stuff
20091108 17:56:38< Ivanovic> Baufo: the main question is "is it required (currently unused!) or not?"
20091108 17:56:39< crimson_penguin> well it seems like nothing crashed...
20091108 17:56:45< crimson_penguin> I'm starting to suspect my ram is dying
20091108 17:57:00< silene> fendrin: core i7 have it too
20091108 17:57:03< Baufo> Ivanovic, jwsmtp is only used in the sample userhandler
20091108 17:57:40< mordante> so we can remove that code
20091108 17:57:48< Baufo> sure
20091108 17:58:17< mordante> good :-) AI0867 ^
20091108 17:59:47< mordante> zookeeper, didn't you fix this recently? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?14688
20091108 18:00:31< crimson_penguin> mordante: oh god, I thought I just had 54 files to compile; didn't realize that was just for wesnothd, and now it's starting on Wesnoth itself...
20091108 18:00:49< zookeeper> mordante, hmm, not sure
20091108 18:00:55< zookeeper> (i'm afk atm)
20091108 18:01:02< mordante> crimson_penguin, ok
20091108 18:05:10< Aethaeryn> esr: Do you know a synonym for woodsman?
20091108 18:05:35< esr> I've been thinking about that.
20091108 18:06:29< esr> I tried "woodcutter" - that doesn't have a Latin equivalent either.
20091108 18:07:19< esr> Oh, hey - try feeding "forester" to your translator.
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20091108 18:22:51< mordante> silene, could you have a look at https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?14214?
20091108 18:25:34< silene> i can, but this is most certainly a wml error that should be reported to the author of world conquest
20091108 18:26:17< mordante> ok
20091108 18:29:10< silene> as a matter of fact, the addon doesn't even load here, it's 1.6 only (not sure why someone uploaded to the 1.7 server)
20091108 18:30:24< mordante> that's really odd since it seemed to contain lua code, maybe the author deleted it
20091108 18:32:02< silene> mordante: it doesn't need to contain lua code to cause an error; the c++ engine silently ignores any crap passed to a wml tag, the lua engine doesn't
20091108 18:33:28< mordante> didn't know that
20091108 18:37:34< silene> for instance, if you type [gold]amount=not_a_number[/gold], you will get the error message from the bug report
20091108 18:38:28< mordante> ah ok good to know
20091108 18:38:50< mordante> guess that adds some content validation :-)
20091108 18:44:11< crimson_penguin> mordante: no change :(
20091108 18:45:34< mordante> :-(
20091108 18:46:23< mordante> guess I need to look to convert more parts... and hope it fixes it
20091108 18:47:19< crimson_penguin> I can test faster now at least
20091108 18:49:49< mordante> crimson_penguin, maybe I just commit these changes and hope that your problem is fixed at some point, it still seems the right way to handle the masking
20091108 18:50:04< crimson_penguin> k
20091108 19:06:06< CIA-61> ai0867 * r39639 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 3 dirs): Strip out jwsmtp and the server mailer based on it. Turn related functions into stubs
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20091108 19:36:53< crimson_penguin> well I'm not upgrading to 1.2.14 now anyway; makes it so much slower
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20091108 20:20:46< Ivanovic> Soliton_: around?
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20091108 20:21:57< CIA-61> ivanovic * r39640 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 5 dirs): updated Hungarian translation
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20091108 20:50:03< Aethaeryn> esr: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=27718 <- As patron of the Writer's Forum, I'd like your 2 cents on the two related threads Zigg made
20091108 20:52:31< Soliton_> Ivanovic: what's up?
20091108 20:52:47< Ivanovic> Soliton_: regarding starting a new addon server
20091108 20:53:00< Ivanovic> Soliton_: do you know of hand what is required to be done at wesnoth.org?
20091108 20:53:02< Ivanovic> that is:
20091108 20:53:06< Ivanovic> 1) which port to use
20091108 20:53:20< Ivanovic> 2) setup the new addon server (including binary and configs)
20091108 20:53:31< Ivanovic> 3) start it and add it wherever required
20091108 20:53:56< Ivanovic> i would like to have this new addon server running for 1.7.8 since i'd like to name it 1.7.8-beta1
20091108 20:54:06< Soliton_> i see.
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20091108 20:54:47< Soliton> do you want it in addition to the trunk server?
20091108 20:54:57< Ivanovic> yes
20091108 20:55:02< Ivanovic> just like with the 1.5 server and 1.6
20091108 20:55:17< Ivanovic> let both run for the moment and shut it done eg when 1.8 is announced
20091108 20:56:31< Soliton> ok, a bit busy atm but i'll take a look later.
20091108 20:56:43< Soliton> shouldn't be a problem, i think.
20091108 20:56:47< Ivanovic> sure, no problem
20091108 20:57:08< Ivanovic> that is: if you already know the port number that is free/will be used i could go on and directly edit the port number and release
20091108 20:57:53< Soliton> well, we coul either stop the 1.2 server or whichever ancient one is still running or make up a new port.
20091108 20:58:16< Ivanovic> i think 1.2 is already stopped for a long time
20091108 20:58:52< Soliton> yeah, looks like 1.4 is the oldest.
20091108 20:59:07< Ivanovic> yeah, i see 1.4, 1.6 and trunk
20091108 20:59:30< Ivanovic> where "trunk" will soon be "1.7" (not running too long anymore) and a new 1.8 will be added
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20091108 21:12:40< boucman> is it normal that in UTBS healing can reach multiple hex away ?
20091108 21:16:19< mordante> I'm off bye
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20091108 21:35:48< Soliton> boucman: i doubt it.
20091108 21:35:57< boucman> hmm
20091108 21:36:17< boucman> the savegame attached to bug 14677 seems to do that for me... 
20091108 21:38:04< boucman> Soliton: if you have a second and try to reproduce, i'd apreciate
20091108 21:39:11< boucman> hmm
20091108 21:39:26< boucman> apparently it's particular to his savegame, I can't reproduce with -t
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20091108 21:43:24< esr> Ivanovic: Have yiyu shipped yet?  wmlscope is showing some errors.
20091108 21:47:42< boucman> esr: it's not tagged afaict, and I just discovered a blocking bug, (which I might be able to fix fast)
20091108 21:48:37< esr> OK, I'm going to look at the wmlscope errors.
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20091108 21:59:26< silene> boucman: the healing values seem correct to me, but the animation is wrong
20091108 21:59:44< boucman> silene: yes, I just figured out what was going on, fixing as we speak
20091108 21:59:56< boucman> (basically using a pointer at the wrong place
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20091108 22:03:31< silene> hum... indeed, that patch was quite ugly
20091108 22:07:03< Ivanovic> esr, boucman: probably won't tag today
20091108 22:07:09< Ivanovic> still need the new port number
20091108 22:07:16< Ivanovic> (for addons.w.o)
20091108 22:07:46< Ivanovic> and, uhm, right now it is getting late, so it would probably need "a little too long for me" till the tarball is done and uploaded
20091108 22:08:07-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.7.8-beta1 planned for monday | string/feature freeze active! | 66 bugs, 246 feature requests, 10 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091108 22:14:17< boucman> bug found'n fixed... updating and comitting soon
20091108 22:16:12< esr> Ivanovic: Some last minute change is throwing up lots of broken-reference errors in wmlscope.  I am investigating.
20091108 22:23:34< CIA-61> espreon * r39641 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Updated the Latin translation's credits.
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20091108 22:31:59< CIA-61> boucman * r39642 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: fix all healing being done by the same healer, this might help with bug 14677, but since original poster isn't able to reproduce reliably, it's a bit of a shoot in the dark
20091108 22:38:10< boucman> Ivanovic: good on my side...
20091108 22:39:43< Ivanovic> boucman: okay
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20091108 22:53:30< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen Torangan
20091108 22:53:31< wesbot> Aethaeryn: Sorry, I don't know of Torangan.
20091108 22:53:34< Aethaeryn> damn.
20091108 22:53:51< Ivanovic> torangan is *really* seldomly available these days
20091108 22:54:14< Ivanovic> that is: he still reacts normally when you send him a mail
20091108 23:04:29< Ivanovic> wow, i *love* those verbose bug reports!
20091108 23:04:31< Ivanovic> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27719&start=0
20091108 23:14:03< Aethaeryn> esr: apparently the Writer's Forum is Zigg's spambox now.
20091108 23:14:39< Aethaeryn> three threads in one day, none of it related to working on mainline
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20091108 23:42:39< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: are things like the server message and the default room being lobby translateable?
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20091108 23:51:15< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: some parts are probably untranslated in that area
20091108 23:51:27< Ivanovic> (as in "how should all servermessages be translated?")
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