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20091116 00:02:08< CIA-55> caslav_ilic * r39804 /trunk/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Removed localized logos not compliant with requirements soon to be written.
20091116 00:03:10< Chusslove> Anyone has an idea about when 1.8 will not be released before?
20091116 00:03:29< Chusslove> Like, lower limit.
20091116 00:03:42< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: this means you want it for xmas?
20091116 00:03:53< shadowmaster> or is that just some crazy placeholder?
20091116 00:06:35< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: it is some crazy placeholder
20091116 00:06:51< Ivanovic> will insert the "correct" one once we are in rc time
20091116 00:07:01< Ivanovic> but so far it needs "some more work" before we are getting there...
20091116 00:07:27< Ivanovic> (especially the mp lobby needs some work)
20091116 00:10:31< ilor__> mordante: okay I can set a flag but I don't really se a place for the actual see-if-flag-set code, keep in mind control is in gui2 most of the time so I'd need a timer callback or something
20091116 00:11:03< ilor__> mordante: I'm not sure if using the event_loop_pre_callback for that is a good idea
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20091116 00:25:33< Soliton> esr: all balancing changes are listed in the players_changelog, usually in the Units section.
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20091116 00:31:00< esr> Soliton: Looking again...
20091116 00:34:00< esr> Soliton: I'm not seeing any changes other than an XP threwshold tweak for an Orcish unit and a change in cold resistance for the Nagas.  Am I missing something?
20091116 00:35:41< Soliton> if all you do is look back as far as 1.7.7 not much.
20091116 00:36:59< AI0867> Ivanovic: yeah, I noticed that just after I committed
20091116 00:37:01< CIA-55> esr * r39805 /website/start/1.8/template.html: Add note on localized images.
20091116 00:37:51< esr> I',m looking back to 1.7.0.  What am I missing, if anytthing?
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20091116 00:56:09< kiba> esr: are you a right wing anarchist?
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20091116 00:57:46< loonycyborg> kiba: That sounds kinda like oxymoron :P
20091116 00:58:00< kiba> loonycyborg: He's really an anarchist. ESR is.
20091116 00:58:39< Espreon> Ay, Dios mío...
20091116 01:00:47< loonycyborg> Wasn't he libertarian? :/
20091116 01:01:02< kiba> loonycyborg: yes he is.
20091116 01:01:18< kiba> loonycyborg: perhaps you have too narrow definition of an anarchist.
20091116 01:02:01< loonycyborg> All that political stuff confuses the hell out of me :(
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20091116 01:03:14< Espreon> ... and I simply don't care about it.
20091116 01:03:35 * Espreon 's definition of a politician is quite mean.
20091116 01:04:26< loonycyborg> Especially right-wing/left-wing stuff whose meaning can differ from country to country.
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20091116 02:01:44< esr> kiba: I'm an anarchocapitalist.  If you choose to consider that "right-wing" I can't stop you, but I don't think of myself that way.
20091116 02:02:50< kiba> esr: hello fellow anarcho-capitalist
20091116 02:02:59< kiba> esr: I am too, an anarcho-capitalist
20091116 02:04:09< esr> OK.  Usuually when I get asked whether I'm "right-wing" it's by a left-winger spoling for a fight.  Glad that wasn't the case this time.
20091116 02:06:16< kiba> esr: why you do think copyright as neccesary.
20091116 02:06:29< kiba> As far as I know anarcho-capitalists for the most part reject intellectual property.
20091116 02:06:46< esr> Some do, some don't.
20091116 02:07:10< kiba> it would seem to me that the intellectual current is actually strongly anti-intellectual property right now.
20091116 02:07:45< esr> See this: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1337
20091116 02:08:36< kiba> esr: you may not have read this book then: http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm
20091116 02:09:09< esr> Have read it.  Am considering the arguments.
20091116 02:09:15< kiba> Oh. I see.
20091116 02:09:48< kiba> I was not aware that you already absorbed such materials.
20091116 02:10:16< kiba> Are you aware, by any chance, of Austrian economics?
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20091116 02:14:58< esr> Heh.
20091116 02:15:08< kiba> ?
20091116 02:15:15< esr> ER, yes, I'm aware of Austrian economics.
20091116 02:15:23< kiba> Cool.
20091116 02:15:48< kiba> what do you think about Austrian economics?
20091116 02:15:55< esr> I say "heh" because I've been studying the Austrians for a *very* long time.  Decades.
20091116 02:16:12< kiba> Oh I see. I didn't know.
20091116 02:16:38< esr> I think enough of it thast it was part of the intellectual toolkit behind my open-source papers.
20091116 02:16:42< kiba> I just got started studying Austrian economics
20091116 02:18:20< kiba> Woah. Crazy.
20091116 02:19:51< kiba> I read some of your stuff over the years but I never got any obvious hints that this was your intellectual foundation.
20091116 02:20:01< kiba> And now I am just discovering what you already have discovered.
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20091116 02:20:47< esr> What, you think all my taslk of elevator effects and emergent behavior in self-organizing systems came from nowhere? :-)
20091116 02:21:10< esr> Straihjt outta Hayek, man.
20091116 02:21:32< kiba> Now that I think about it...it is.
20091116 02:21:44< esr> The entire theory of open source is applied Hayek.  Abeit with influences from elsewhere.
20091116 02:22:46< esr> I generally keep quiet about this because if I didn't the brains of lefty academic types would shut down.
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20091116 02:23:48< kiba> I knew that many programmers are getting interested in Austrian economics.
20091116 02:23:54< kiba> But I didn't know it would be you too.
20091116 02:24:39< kiba> maybe your economic theory actually driven hackers to Austrian economics, on their own?!
20091116 02:25:22< kiba> Or maybe they just independently discovered it on their own?
20091116 02:25:25< esr> I fervently hope so.
20091116 02:25:31< kiba> This is insanely awesome!
20091116 02:25:48< esr> I mean, I hope I helped drive some of that.
20091116 02:26:22< kiba> This is the most delightful suprirse! I am gald that I asked you.
20091116 02:26:50< esr> <irony>Why, if people were to get libertarian isdeas from my software theories, that would be *terrible*!  I just don;'t know *how* I ciuld *live* with it...</irony>
20091116 02:27:28< kiba> s/supriirse/surprise
20091116 02:27:39< kiba> hmm..I mispelled.
20091116 02:28:12< esr> No worries, I typo all the time.  (And don't like it either.)
20091116 02:29:36< kiba> you know, there's an official #mises channel on freenode
20091116 02:29:42< kiba> it's even linked from mises.org
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20091116 02:30:08< kiba> It's an Austrian economic channel
20091116 02:30:39< kiba> and it's also happens to be full of programmers and computer types too.
20091116 02:30:59< esr> Not a big surprise.
20091116 02:34:19< kiba> I can't begin to express my delight.
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20091116 02:37:08< kiba> I should have known and suspect.
20091116 02:37:37< kiba> but I wasn't actually an Austrian back then.
20091116 02:38:38< kiba> Only recently that I started studying.
20091116 02:42:16< crimson_penguin> well, if it's on freenode, it is likely to have lots of computer-y people
20091116 02:42:56< kiba> economics is well...economics. It would not seem to attract computer programmers.
20091116 02:43:48< kiba> mises.org is not at all a technology site.
20091116 02:53:33< shadowmaster> esr: around?
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20091116 03:07:25< CIA-55> shadowmaster * r39806 /website/start/1.8/template.html: Fix typo.
20091116 03:07:28< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: I don't need to edit index.en.html after editing the template, right?
20091116 03:11:18< CIA-55> shadowmaster * r39807 /website/start/1.8/template.html: 
20091116 03:11:18< CIA-55> Convert http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki and http://wesnoth.org/wiki hyperlinks
20091116 03:11:18< CIA-55> to use the http://wiki.wesnoth.org alias.
20091116 03:32:26< esr> shadowmaster: I'm here.
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20091116 03:34:45< shadowmaster> why are the continuity issues with Cliffs of Thoria significant enough to mention that it's been fixed, in the 1.8 announcement? Most people don't even know that scenario exists.
20091116 03:34:49< shadowmaster> *players
20091116 03:37:41< esr> shadowmaster: Oh, I dunno...maybe that whole business with the Arkan-thoria flowing BACKWARDS?  lolz...
20091116 03:38:35< esr> But Im Mr. Continuity Guy, maybe I obsess about such things too much.
20091116 03:39:00< shadowmaster> well, that doesn't answer why there's are Cuttle Fish (and formerly a Sea Serpent) in the Ford of Abez
20091116 03:39:05< shadowmaster> wait, I didn't ask that.
20091116 03:40:04< shadowmaster> how do merfolk manage to follow Konrad across hills, mountain peaks, and caves up to Arkan-thoria anyway.
20091116 03:41:05< esr> I think we have to assume they have some ability to survive on dry land.
20091116 03:41:51< shadowmaster> and ice and snow.
20091116 03:42:46< esr> Thatr's less odd, actually.  Water-dwekllers have to deal with cold a lot because water is so heat-conductive.
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20091116 03:59:11< CIA-55> fendrin * r39808 /branches/fendrin_gui_stuff/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Allow the player to recall several units at once.
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20091116 04:37:20< esr> Anybody know if the old river-ford terrain and the new coastal reefs ahave different movement costs?
20091116 04:39:11< Espreon> esr: I believe that they do.
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20091116 04:39:43< Espreon> They *do* have different keys in movetypes.
20091116 04:40:37< esr> Do you know where I can find out the difference?  In UtBS there's some WWf terrain in an oceanic map -- should be WWr fopr storyline reasons, but I won't mess with it if it's going to slow down the elves.
20091116 04:41:17< Espreon> esr: Not off the top of my head.
20091116 04:42:39< Espreon> esr: From smallfoot:
20091116 04:42:46< Espreon> shallow_water=3
20091116 04:42:51< Espreon> reef=2
20091116 04:43:05< Espreon> No, wait.
20091116 04:43:39< esr> Does that mean changing to reef would let them move faster?  That would be OK.
20091116 04:44:41< Espreon> esr: It depends. I believe that the movement cost for river ford is becomes the lesser cost of grassland and shallow water.
20091116 04:44:54< Espreon> *ford becomes
20091116 04:45:09< Espreon> And I probably could have phrased that better, but, whatever.
20091116 04:45:20< esr> Whereas reef is exactly the cost for shallow water, yes.
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20091116 04:46:00< esr> The question is, will that difference slow down Quenoth elves?
20091116 04:46:03< Espreon> And then we need to consider the Desert Elves' cost for flat.
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20091116 04:46:16< Espreon> Hold on...
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20091116 04:58:18< Espreon> esr: River ford is either treated as grassland or as water, depending on the unit's defensive/movement bonuses.
20091116 04:58:31< Espreon> So, having costal reef would probably slow down the elves.
20091116 04:59:12< esr> Then I'd best not change it.  Instead I'll leave a comment in the WML explaining why I didn't.
20091116 05:01:02< Espreon> We could create a new [terrain_type], but I think that we would have to wait for 1.9.
20091116 05:04:17< CIA-55> esr * r39809 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/09_Blood_is_Thicker_Than_Water.cfg: In "Blood is Thicker Than Water", add a warning about a tempting change.
20091116 05:04:20< esr> Right.
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20091116 12:28:08< CIA-55> ivanovic * r39810 /website/start/1.8/ (51 files in 2 dirs): 
20091116 12:28:08< CIA-55> add en_shaw and is files (though they are likely not going to be used...
20091116 12:28:08< CIA-55> add those two langs to the list of selectable ones once they are complete enough
20091116 12:28:08< CIA-55> regenerated po files based on the still incomplete announcement template
20091116 12:28:51< CIA-55> ivanovic * r39811 /website/start/1.8/index.en.html: regenerate index.en.html based on the latest template.html
20091116 12:30:20< Rhonda> uh oh, 1.8 ...
20091116 12:31:31< Ivanovic> Rhonda: will take some time, this is just the work on the announcement text
20091116 12:32:26< Rhonda> Sure, but still. :)
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20091116 12:34:22< mordante> servus
20091116 12:34:50< mordante> ilor__, also not sure what the best place for the test is
20091116 12:35:09< mordante> ilor__, event_loop_pre_callback seems the best, but still a bit of an ugly hack
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20091116 12:35:43< mordante> ilor__, and yes I want to support timers in gui2, hopefully I can postpone it until _after_ 1.8..
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20091116 15:12:12< Crab_> deekay: around ?
20091116 15:12:47< deekay> Crab_: Ask, I answer when I can
20091116 15:12:58< Crab_> I'm playing with 'saving fai vars to file', got
20091116 15:12:58< Crab_> 20091116 16:11:47 warning ai/formula_ai: variable [direct_enemies] is not serializable - it will not be persisted across savegames
20091116 15:13:07< Crab_> what's the callable type of 'direct_enemies' ?
20091116 15:13:55< Crab_> other vars - (recruits_map, side_terrain, turn_initialized) save successfully
20091116 15:14:32< deekay> Sec
20091116 15:15:51< deekay> Crab_: Ah... yes
20091116 15:16:11< deekay> debug_label_something prolly
20091116 15:16:25< deekay> it was small hack to visualize things while playing developer games
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20091116 15:17:34< deekay> Crab_: or not... depends on a formula file.. it was supposed to be map
20091116 15:19:36< deekay> In a base situation it is a list
20091116 15:19:43< deekay> Of enemy leaders
20091116 15:19:50< deekay> That should be easily serializable
20091116 15:21:08< deekay> So I think you are using version that uses debug_label to mark enemies
20091116 15:21:52< Crab_> I use version from trunk :) and, afair, it is used not only for debug_label'ing ...
20091116 15:22:24< deekay> Yes
20091116 15:22:34< deekay> But I tihnk it may work like that...
20091116 15:22:48< Crab_> ok, so, it should be a list ?
20091116 15:22:55< deekay> If you access data: you acces debug_label object, then it goves you what it inside
20091116 15:23:22< deekay> If you serialize: you access debug_label, but it is not serializable (tho it contains things that can be serialized)
20091116 15:23:30< deekay> It is a bit of guess for now
20091116 15:24:46< Crab_> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/684067
20091116 15:25:02< Crab_> it's the result of debug_print(vars.direct_enemies)
20091116 15:25:36< deekay> So it is list
20091116 15:25:45< deekay> But, does a skull appear on Kalenz?
20091116 15:25:48< deekay> in a game?
20091116 15:27:00< deekay> Crab_: Which recruitment fai file form trunk do you use?
20091116 15:27:36< Crab_> fai ministage with     move="{ai/formula/new_recruitment.fai}"
20091116 15:28:26< deekay> hm
20091116 15:28:26< deekay> no
20091116 15:28:31< deekay> thaen my guess was wrong
20091116 15:28:50< deekay> Crab_: But it is wierd... it is not serializable but it managed to print it out?
20091116 15:29:32< Crab_> it is printed by other function
20091116 15:29:41< Crab_> maybe some part of it is not serializable
20091116 15:29:56< Crab_> and that part is skipped when outputting via debug_print
20091116 15:30:32< deekay> How do you serialize things in the code?
20091116 15:30:41< Crab_> no, not the case. seems like the outermost formula_callable has serialization problems...
20091116 15:31:11< Crab_> for(game_logic::map_formula_callable::const_iterator i = vars_.begin(); i != vars_.end(); ++i) { try { i->second.serialize_to_string(str); ...
20091116 15:33:11< Crab_> ok, thanks, now that I know that it's a list callable, I'll try to figure out which serialization routines are missing...
20091116 15:33:52< Crab_> and, another funny glitch : serialization of recruits_map :  recruits_map="[['Troll'->-129,'Troll Rocklobber'->204,'Troll Whelp'->24]"
20091116 15:33:54< Crab_> note the [[
20091116 15:33:57< Crab_> is that right ?
20091116 15:35:32< deekay> hm
20091116 15:35:35< deekay> no, not really
20091116 15:35:59< Crab_> ok, I'll look into it, as well.
20091116 15:36:00< Crab_> thanks
20091116 15:36:08< deekay> no problem
20091116 15:39:37< Crab_> (note for completeness: debug_print uses variant::string_cast, not variant::serialize_to_string)
20091116 15:41:31< deekay> yes
20091116 15:41:35< deekay> I need to go now
20091116 15:41:39< deekay> cya
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20091116 16:14:30< CIA-55> fendrin * r39812 /branches/fendrin_gui_stuff/src/gui/dialogs/wml_message.cpp: Code cleanups.
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20091116 17:56:44< Ivanovic> hi
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20091116 18:45:17< ilor__> mordante: tried the event_loop_pre_callback, seems to work, but it reminded me of hpow badly the filters are screwed up for some reason
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20091116 19:39:27< fendrin> I saw a method that checks for a unit being on the map or not. Can't locate it again. Anyone an idea where it could hide?
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20091116 20:15:11< zookeeper> fendrin, NOT_ON_RECALL_LIST
20091116 20:15:11< zookeeper> unit-utils.cfg
20091116 20:15:14< zookeeper> ?
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20091116 20:28:51< fendrin> zookeeper: I am looking for a c++ method.
20091116 20:29:25< fendrin> my current check is chosen_unit_->get_location().valid() 
20091116 20:29:34< zookeeper> oh, right. nevermind :P explains why i found it a rather odd you'd be asking for that ;)
20091116 20:29:42< zookeeper> -a
20091116 20:34:21< Soliton> fendrin: gamemap::on_board()
20091116 20:35:24< fendrin> Soliton: I don't have an instance of gamemap around in that dialogue. Shall I try to get a gamemap or use chosen_unit_->get_location().valid() ?
20091116 20:36:32< Soliton> resources::gamemap or so.
20091116 20:36:58< Soliton> i don't know what exactly you want to do so no idea.
20091116 20:37:05< fendrin> Soliton: The point of resources is to make several objects that are singletons global?
20091116 20:37:33< Soliton> yeah.
20091116 20:38:28< fendrin> I have a pointer to a unit. That unit can either be on the gamemap or in the recall list of a team. If in game I want the engine to scroll there and highlight. If not on game I tell the unit that it shall trigger it's values being displayed in the side_bar.
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20091116 20:46:03< fendrin> Soliton: resources::gamemap seems to be the better solution, thanks.
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20091116 21:00:50< CIA-55> ivanovic * r39813 /trunk/po/wesnoth-utbs/de.po: updated German translation
20091116 21:01:19< CIA-55> fendrin * r39814 /branches/fendrin_gui_stuff/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added more buttons and prototypes of handlers for them. Made the dialogue distinguish between onboard and offboard units.
20091116 21:01:41< shadowmaster> shikadibot: dir /branches/fendrin_gui_stuff/
20091116 21:01:41< shikadibot> Web interface URL to directory /branches/fendrin_gui_stuff/: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/branches/fendrin_gui_stuff
20091116 21:15:44< ilor> mordante: I suddenly got a (repeatable atm) assert when starting the new lobby, backtrace here http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m7185b755
20091116 21:17:38< fendrin> What went wrong if c++ tells me that the translation "_ was not declared in this scope" ?
20091116 21:20:44< shadowmaster> ??
20091116 21:22:30< fendrin> shadowmaster: I guess the char "_" is a method that translates the string, like the "_" in wml. I likely need to import something for it.
20091116 21:23:06< shadowmaster> gettext.hpp
20091116 21:23:26< shadowmaster> s/translation/method/
20091116 21:23:58< fendrin> shadowmaster: That did it, thank you.
20091116 21:27:28< noy> Ivanovic: around?
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20091116 21:43:52< [Relic]> Hello  :)
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20091116 21:45:40< boucman> hey Crab_
20091116 21:45:57< Crab_> hi boucman
20091116 21:46:55< boucman> Crab_: at some points we discussed the possibility of having a way to "juge" an action. i.e a bit of code that would look at a proposed action and adjust the score according to its own criterias
20091116 21:47:01< boucman> was that implemented ?
20091116 21:47:17< boucman> (i'm looking for a way to force skirmishers to play last without modifying c++)
20091116 21:49:01< ilor> mordante: there's a problem with set_active not having any effect if it's called on a button from within this button's handler
20091116 21:49:13< Crab_> boucman: no, it wasn't done yet. will be in 1.9
20091116 21:49:19< boucman> ok
20091116 21:49:45< ilor> mordante: I think it's somewhat common to want to disable a button that's just been clicked
20091116 21:49:48< boucman> Crab_: so i would need to reimplement the attack phase in FAI language... a bit hard, i guess
20091116 21:50:50< Crab_> boucman: no, not that hard
20091116 21:51:15< boucman> Crab_: would it be a worthwhile goal (i.e usefull) ?
20091116 21:51:24< boucman> i guess it would be since it would mean easier tweaking...
20091116 21:51:33< Crab_> boucman: you don't have to do it all, you can start with 'aspect_attacks' and modify it afterwards.
20091116 21:52:05< Crab_> boucman: more precisely, use 'attacks' fai function
20091116 21:52:43< Crab_> or, even more precisely, it's one of values of "ai" object in fai
20091116 21:53:09< fendrin> damn, I think I just understood what boost::bind is for. 
20091116 21:54:00< Crab_> boucman: so, you only have to replicate combat_phase::evaluate and combat_phase::execute
20091116 21:54:22< boucman> hmm
20091116 21:54:44< Crab_> see src/ai/testing/ca.cpp:650
20091116 21:55:18< boucman> Crab_: seems simple, i'll have a deeper look
20091116 21:56:29< Crab_> boucman: if we pretend, for several hours, that a feature freeze isn't here, I can make your task easier -  "reimplement only   ' const double rating = it->rating(get_aggression(),*this);' line in formula ai"
20091116 21:57:04< boucman> Crab_: my purpose is not so much getting it to work as to 
20091116 21:57:23< boucman> 1) get myself back into wesnoth dev (the animation front has been rather calm lately)
20091116 21:57:33< boucman> 2) see what's missing in the base infrastructure
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20091116 22:03:56< Crab_> boucman: also see attack_analysis::rating, noting the semantics of leader_aggression aspect
20091116 22:05:16< ilor> question: how is addon server (pbl) password recovery done now, and are there any general requests fo it?
20091116 22:08:40< boucman> Crab_: i can't find attack_analysis::rating,
20091116 22:08:57< Crab_> src/ai/default/attack.cpp:262
20091116 22:09:30< boucman> thx
20091116 22:09:51< boucman> that's going to be a heck of a formula...
20091116 22:10:32< Crab_> if you want bug-for-bug compat, yes :)
20091116 22:10:37< boucman> :P
20091116 22:12:56< Crab_> of course you can cheat by adding a formula ai function to get the 'pre-existing' rating of attack, and then modifying it :)
20091116 22:13:12< boucman> hmm
20091116 22:13:19< boucman> more tricky than i thought...
20091116 22:13:34< boucman> is attack_analysis available to fai, currently ?
20091116 22:14:45< Crab_> yes
20091116 22:14:57< boucman> k
20091116 22:16:11< boucman> where ? :)
20091116 22:16:33< Crab_> ./ai/default/contexts.hpp +50
20091116 22:16:54< Crab_> "attacks" returns a vector of them
20091116 22:17:17< boucman> ok, thx
20091116 22:17:32< Crab_> and note  ./ai/default/ai.cpp:2069
20091116 22:18:06< Crab_> just expose the 'rating' here, as well
20091116 22:18:46< boucman> hmm
20091116 22:18:50< boucman> interesting :)
20091116 22:19:45< CIA-55> fendrin * r39815 /branches/fendrin_gui_stuff/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Ported the dialogue that warns the player when deleting a special unit from the recall list to gui2.
20091116 22:24:14< Crab_> boucman: as a side note, I got 'saving fai variables to file' working in my local tree, but, unfortunately, some types of formula ai callable objects have bugs/incomplete code in their serialization routines. so, more work needed to get all kinds of variables to save.
20091116 22:24:19< Soliton> ilor: like a user recovering his password on his own? not implemented.
20091116 22:24:46< boucman> Crab_: answer about your previous comment wrt feature freeze
20091116 22:25:36< boucman> we really want to avoid breaking it right now, however we are usually more lax between 1.8.x releases, so small, non-destructive features like rating will be ok once 1.8 is out
20091116 22:26:28< Crab_> boucman: it is planned (and we talked about that a bit) to reverse the control flow of  "it->rating(get_aggression(),*this);" to "get_attack_evaluator().rate(it)", where attack_evaluator is a new aspect.
20091116 22:26:44< Crab_> this requires just a few hours to code
20091116 22:27:02< boucman> hmm
20091116 22:27:34< Crab_> then, we will be able to reuse the logic of current combat phase BUT with 'any' c++/fai attack_analysis evaluator we'll code.
20091116 22:28:11< boucman> yes, sounds good
20091116 22:28:24< Crab_> (nothing will change in the default case, which will use current c++ code as default value of that aspect)
20091116 22:28:33< boucman> I have trouble implementing rating, get_aggression is not available, and i'm not sure where to find it
20091116 22:31:09< Crab_> oh, my bad. get_aggression & others will be available, I'll code it  (it's small but essential thing that is needed for 1.8)
20091116 22:31:30< boucman> Crab_: in that case i let you add "rating" too :) 
20091116 22:31:34< Crab_> or you can add the required 5 lines yourself :)
20091116 22:31:46< Crab_> heh
20091116 22:31:52< Crab_> ok, I'll do it
20091116 22:32:20< boucman> can you do it in the next 5' (so I can svn up and do my stuff before bed time) ?
20091116 22:33:07< Crab_> boucman: via pastebinning a patch, yes. via committing, no (it'll take much longer for code to compile on my notebook)
20091116 22:33:33< boucman> k, 
20091116 22:33:37< boucman> sounds good
20091116 22:38:46< boucman> after that, i'll have a question for you during my compilation for instance
20091116 22:43:25< boucman> Crab_: I also need a read_only_context, not sure where I can find it...
20091116 22:43:38< Crab_> for what ?
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20091116 22:44:25< Crab_> when writing fai, you're in context of formula ai
20091116 22:44:29< boucman> for rating() :P
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20091116 22:47:41< Crab_> boucman: that's a quick&dirty solution for aggression/caution/leader_aggression - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/684194
20091116 22:47:54< boucman> thx
20091116 22:48:00< Crab_> there's 2 ugly hacks in there, but it's usable
20091116 22:48:19< boucman> attack_analysis::rating (double aggression, const readonly_context& ai_obj) const;
20091116 22:50:46< Aethaeryn> esr: en-GB has 1 fuzzy translation, which is the update to UtBS's scenario count (removing the "under construction" bit). It should be an extremely easy commit.
20091116 22:51:06< esr> I'll fix it.
20091116 22:51:38< Aethaeryn> Just noticed when I was checking translation stats after a weekend's break.
20091116 22:51:59< Crab_> boucman: it's easily handled by using a formula function to do the task
20091116 22:52:23< Crab_> boucman: i.e. if you have 	explicit rate_action_function(const args_list& args, const formula_ai &ai), then formula_ai is your context.
20091116 22:52:47< boucman> Crab_: one thing at a time
20091116 22:52:53< boucman> i've just added your change
20091116 22:53:19< boucman> i'll commit it first
20091116 22:53:33< boucman> iiuc it's a new formula global variable, isn't it ?
20091116 22:54:27< Crab_> it's not 'global', it's part of 'ai', which is usually 'default' one. so, it can be used as 'global', yes
20091116 22:55:01< boucman> i mean: I can use debug_print(aggression) to test
20091116 22:55:06< Crab_> yes
20091116 22:55:20< boucman> :)
20091116 22:55:24< Crab_> one of the hacks - i used *1000 hack, it's better to use DKs work on DECIMAL type.
20091116 22:55:27< boucman> needs a changelog entry ?
20091116 22:55:51< Crab_> no, it'll be handled when it'll be all ready
20091116 22:56:00< boucman> ??
20091116 22:56:07< boucman> undocumented feature ?
20091116 22:56:43< Crab_> there's many aspects which need to be added. I've added just 3.
20091116 22:56:51< boucman> k
20091116 22:57:03< Crab_> and, now that we have decimal type,it's better to try to use it, not *1000 hack
20091116 22:57:42< boucman> changing to decimal would break AI, so I guess that change is 1.9 material
20091116 22:57:52< boucman> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/FormulaAI#Available_variables <== should I document here
20091116 22:58:00< CIA-55> esr * r39816 /trunk/po/wesnoth-utbs/en_GB.po: Minor twealk ton en_GB translation.
20091116 22:58:29< Crab_> why 'changing to decimal would break AI' ?
20091116 22:59:23< boucman> suppose I test some things on aggression, I write some formula assuming that aggression is in the 0..1000 range
20091116 22:59:36< boucman> and you change it to the 0.0..1.0 range
20091116 22:59:41< boucman> you break my formula
20091116 22:59:48< boucman> so you can break UMC that way
20091116 22:59:53< Crab_> yes, but you're using undocumented feature:)
20091116 23:00:09< Crab_> if we document it, we stick with 'the way we choose' for 1.8
20091116 23:00:12< boucman> Crab_: hmm
20091116 23:00:43< boucman> in that case we might as well not commit right away, my work is not exacly an emergency
20091116 23:00:51< Crab_> i.e. we have two approaches here: 1) leave it as *1000, document, stick with it for 1.8
20091116 23:01:21< Crab_> 2) try how it works, then change it to decimal, document, stick with it for 1.8
20091116 23:01:48< Crab_> if it's (1),  then it should be documented now
20091116 23:02:01< Crab_> if it's (2), we should not document it now
20091116 23:02:26< Crab_> my recomendation will be just 'not commit right away'
20091116 23:02:37< boucman> agreed
20091116 23:02:50< Crab_> since we want to try something, and,if it works good, then figure a good  way to smuggle it into 1.8
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20091116 23:08:47< Crab_> boucman: here's another diff for you - http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m6b135580
20091116 23:09:18< boucman> Crab_: i'm about to leave now, sry
20091116 23:09:37< boucman> night all
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20091116 23:32:40< Bob_The_Mighty> can anyone tell me what this error report means: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/de314a68
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20091116 23:34:11< loonycyborg> Bob_The_Mighty: It seems to say that you're doing arithmetic on string values.
20091116 23:35:12< Crab_> the offending line is 'team.gold = team.gold + amount' where  amount is cfg.amount. so, it looks like the parameter (in [gold] ) is  incorrect
20091116 23:39:00< loonycyborg> It seems that you can do '2' + '2' or so in lua and don't need to explicitly convert strings to ints therefore probably you're passing a string that isn't a number somewhere.
20091116 23:39:27< Bob_The_Mighty> is this likely to be the offender: {VARIABLE_OP shopper.gold add -${VAR}.price.poison}
20091116 23:40:44< Bob_The_Mighty> if the VAR was not initialised, it would be left blank, and thus be considered a string?
20091116 23:42:40< Crab_> Bob_The_Mighty: might be. you can modify the lua code to stderr the 'amount', too
20091116 23:42:44< Bob_The_Mighty> what i mean is, could the error be a consquence of not defining VAR in that equation
20091116 23:42:51< Crab_> this will make the error message more clear..
20091116 23:43:03< loonycyborg> Indeed. Performing arithmetic on an empty string produces the same error.
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20091116 23:43:33< Bob_The_Mighty> ok,  i think i know what the problem is now, thank you
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20091116 23:53:57< shadowmaster> I added a link to webchat.freenode.net to the wiki btw.
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