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20091120 00:14:39< CIA-55> espreon * r39845 /branches/resources/image-localization/templates/trow-logo/ (. trow-logo.xcf): Added template for the TRoW logo.
20091120 00:21:15-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: string/feature freeze active! | 70 bugs, 244 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091120 00:27:55< CIA-55> fendrin * r39846 /branches/fendrin_gui_stuff/ (9 files in 5 dirs): First non working prototype of the recruit dialogue implemented.
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20091120 00:38:27< Zarel> Hey, do any of you have experience for Xcode?
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20091120 01:54:52< BroodKiller> shadowmaster: I do read the logs when I am around, so thanks for the offer :)
20091120 01:55:40< BroodKiller> crimson_penguin: how is your platform revival going?
20091120 01:56:24< crimson_penguin> still waiting
20091120 01:56:38< crimson_penguin> I got Frogatto compiling with CodeBlocks today; www.frogatto.com :)
20091120 01:59:29< BroodKiller> I will be off until monday
20091120 01:59:36< crimson_penguin> ok
20091120 01:59:51< BroodKiller> I uploaded the source here, just in case you or shadowmaster would like to give it a shot - http://www.mediafire.com/?yt23ywmyyiw
20091120 02:00:28< crimson_penguin> k
20091120 02:00:41< BroodKiller> it is pretty much self-contained, and shouldn't need anything but wxWidgets, I think
20091120 02:00:45< Espreon> Does anyone know who created the buttons used by the editor?
20091120 02:01:03< Espreon> (The images)
20091120 02:02:32< BroodKiller> and while we're at it - the that I used was version 2.8.9, built into separate libs (as opposed to monolithic) under the release mode with unicode support
20091120 02:02:40< BroodKiller> *the wxW
20091120 02:03:18< BroodKiller> that's in case you'll need to compile it yourself
20091120 02:03:49< BroodKiller> thanks once more for help, and see ya next week
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20091120 02:11:40< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20091120 02:33:14< shadowmaster> Espreon: various people IIRC. Why does it matter?
20091120 02:33:42 * Espreon needs to know the font that is used in some of the buttons.
20091120 02:33:59< shadowmaster> what buttons?
20091120 02:34:10< shadowmaster> we do not use text in images AFAIK
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20091120 02:35:03 * shadowmaster isn't in the mood for guessing at random
20091120 02:36:05< Espreon> e.g., select_button_editor.png
20091120 02:37:01< shadowmaster> you shouldn't be using text on those buttons in the first place
20091120 02:37:11< Espreon> Well... it exists...
20091120 02:37:26< shadowmaster> and you want to make the problem worse by making more of those?
20091120 02:37:31< shadowmaster> great, just what we needed.
20091120 02:37:35< Espreon> Maybe...
20091120 02:38:00< Espreon> Apparently, the experience needs to be seamless...®
20091120 02:38:23< shadowmaster> and it won't be seamless if you keep adding text in icons
20091120 02:38:34< Espreon> The text... already exists.
20091120 02:38:40< shadowmaster> then fix it?
20091120 02:39:05< Espreon> With what will it be replaced?
20091120 02:39:38< shadowmaster> with a proper icon.
20091120 02:39:47< Espreon> Such as...
20091120 02:40:27< shadowmaster> I'm looking at the GIMP's toolbox right now and their Rectangle Selection icon does not have text in it (obviously I'm not telling you to copy from there - maybe it isn't even GPLable)
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20091120 02:40:43< shadowmaster> if you don't have any idea how to fix a bug then at least don't duplicate the bug
20091120 02:40:57< Espreon> I didn't know that it was a bug until now.
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20091120 02:41:57< Espreon> I shall be back... "soon"...
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20091120 02:42:42< shadowmaster> it might not be in the bug tracker but that doesn't make it less inoffensive
20091120 02:50:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: also may I know why you want to redo the Spanish logo for the 3rd time?
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20091120 02:58:29< CIA-55> shadowmaster * r39847 /trunk/misc/fortunes/wesnoth: Add a cookie.
20091120 03:11:27< Zarel> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=393936#p393936
20091120 03:11:37< Zarel> Oh, man, that's the trickiest spam I've seen in a long time.
20091120 03:12:12< shadowmaster> now belongs to me
20091120 03:12:25< shadowmaster> no wait, what spam?
20091120 03:12:41< shadowmaster> oooh
20091120 03:12:55< shadowmaster> damn them, damn them all to HELL! >:(
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20091120 03:13:36< shadowmaster> is there any use for colors in posts or can I just disable them?
20091120 03:14:48< shadowmaster> speak now you lazy people or I'll really do it ;)
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20091120 03:15:26< [Relic]> you'll know right after you do it  :)
20091120 03:16:25< shadowmaster> oh wait, I can't disable that.
20091120 03:16:31< shadowmaster> damn you phpBB
20091120 03:16:34< Zarel> shadowmaster: THere used to be, but we're not allowed to use them. :(
20091120 03:16:55< fendrin> is phpBB known to have many security leaks?
20091120 03:17:11< Zarel> fendrin: Well, their new captchas are a joke.
20091120 03:17:12< shadowmaster> also, damn you Firefox for allowing me to accidentally change forum settings when clicking on their descriptions
20091120 03:17:17< Zarel> They're basically yelling "HACK ME NOW"
20091120 03:17:21< shadowmaster> Zarel: checked phpBB 3.0.6
20091120 03:17:22< shadowmaster> ?
20091120 03:17:30< Zarel> That's the one I was referring to. :P
20091120 03:17:46< Espreon> shadowmaster: I want to redo it because it is inferior to the other logos...
20091120 03:17:50< shadowmaster> I mean, checked that you can now use other captchas?
20091120 03:17:58< Zarel> Well, not so much "hack me now" since you can't do _that_ much by passing captchas. But they're basically helling "SPAM ME NOW"
20091120 03:18:09< Zarel> shadowmaster: The new captchas are the ones I was talking about.
20091120 03:18:20< shadowmaster> so http://recaptcha.net/ is a lie? :P
20091120 03:18:38< Zarel> Is that what they use by default now?
20091120 03:18:52< shadowmaster> no.
20091120 03:18:58< shadowmaster> you have to choose and apply for a key
20091120 03:19:00< Zarel> Oh, hey.
20091120 03:19:22< shadowmaster> what, do you expect to be able to bring and administrate a forum in the real Internet with zero knowledge? get real
20091120 03:19:31< Zarel> Well, some of the other ones are pretty bad. Recaptcha is good.
20091120 03:19:38< fendrin> Aren't captchas hacked by displaying them to users for some other stuff?
20091120 03:19:47< Zarel> Well, you'd think they wouldn't choose intentionally bad defaults.
20091120 03:20:00< shadowmaster> fendrin: unfortunately, yes :(
20091120 03:20:25< Zarel> fendrin: Teehee. My security prof (who was on the team that invented captchas) calls that the porn attack.
20091120 03:20:56< Zarel> He notes that he hasn't seen anyone actually do that, though.
20091120 03:23:11< shadowmaster> anyway, where have you seen a bot that does what that guy did?
20091120 03:23:20< shadowmaster> for me it's a spammer for hire, period.
20091120 03:24:02< Zarel> It looks pretty obviously bot-like.
20091120 03:24:11< Zarel> What makes you think "spammer"?
20091120 03:24:44< Zarel> The fact that he typed out a coherent message? These days bots just harvest posts from one forum and posts them on another, to make them look realistic.
20091120 03:24:57< shadowmaster> posting antispam recommendations on a thread about stopping spambots? :P
20091120 03:25:37< shadowmaster> um, I could as well rename the field ids for posting and see what I break
20091120 03:26:14< Zarel> They match patterns. That's one way you can tell spambots - their posts are only vaguely related.
20091120 03:28:46< shadowmaster> the problem is that 90% of the forumers here are like that regardless of postcount 
20091120 03:29:30< shadowmaster> under that classification, Midnight Carnival is an über spambot
20091120 03:31:24< fendrin> lol
20091120 03:32:35< CIA-55> fendrin * r39848 /branches/fendrin_gui_stuff/ (5 files in 3 dirs): The fracking branch is recruiting again.
20091120 03:41:09< Zarel> lol, at first I was like "wait, I don't know any dev called fendrin", and then I realized I was in the wrong channel.
20091120 03:41:42< shadowmaster> you have your own pet shadowmaster at warzone10k?
20091120 03:42:02< shadowmaster> warzone2100 I mean :P
20091120 03:42:06< Zarel> No, that was the point at which I realized I was in the wrong channel. ;)
20091120 03:48:26< fendrin> for creating a unit I need a unit_map
20091120 03:48:33< fendrin> where can I get that from=
20091120 03:48:34< fendrin> ?
20091120 03:49:13< shadowmaster> it's used in some places in the game events procedures
20091120 03:50:12< shadowmaster> find instances of iterations with unit_map::iterator and you'll find where they come from if you start digging deeper
20091120 03:53:40< fendrin> I was looking for something like resources::units->get_instance()
20091120 03:58:43< Zarel> btw, any of you have experience with Xcode?
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20091120 04:15:23< shadowmaster> anyone here using some up-to-date Debian squeeze?
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20091120 04:50:22< CIA-55> fendrin * r39849 /branches/fendrin_gui_stuff/src/ (generate_report.cpp gui/dialogs/wml_message.cpp): Recruit dialogue now displays the choosen unit type's statistics in the game's side bar.
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20091120 07:34:36< Rhonda> Soliton: Thanks, can you file me a bugreport so I won't forget it?
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20091120 08:09:37< Soliton> maybe.. on monday.
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20091120 09:53:18< CIA-55> ivanovic * r39850 /trunk/po/ (7 files in 7 dirs): updated Latin translation
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20091120 12:55:16< didi> What is the tool to use to compile the svn tree? Every time I change something and use either "scons" or "make" it takes a long time.
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20091120 14:06:11< ilor> didi: scons works just fine, if you change something that affects a lot of other files you end up with a long build. And a significant rebuild can take a while
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20091120 14:17:00< boucman> hey all
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20091120 15:34:43< shadowmaster> okay, are you going to tell me now that I can do a full-upgrade while I'm using KDE 3? it will confuse everything!
20091120 15:35:07< shadowmaster> wrong chan
20091120 15:38:01 * shadowmaster says X server goodbye, hopefully not for too long.
20091120 16:06:10< shadowmaster> stopped kdm... what can possibly go wrong....
20091120 16:06:48< shadowmaster> I'm really wishing I had a backup HDD for replicating all filesystems here.
20091120 16:26:40< shadowmaster> I should wonder why wesnoth features prominently in the aptitude documentation
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20091120 17:38:36< boucman> zookeeper: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=394049#p394049 <== answer is most likey no, but your probably the one to ask...
20091120 17:39:56< Ivanovic> afk for the evening
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20091120 18:07:47< zookeeper> boucman, got it
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20091120 18:47:51< fendrin> shadowmaster: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27833 shall we include it?
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20091120 18:54:44< mordante> servus
20091120 18:55:53< shadowmaster> hi there mordante 
20091120 18:56:00< shadowmaster> what system do you use? I forgot
20091120 18:56:10< mordante> hi shadowmaster 
20091120 18:56:15< mordante> debian lenny
20091120 18:56:30< mordante> but what do you want to be tested on squeeze?
20091120 18:56:38< shadowmaster> ??
20091120 18:56:52< shadowmaster> I don't think I have said anything about testing anything on squeeze
20091120 18:56:54< mordante> you wanted something tested on Debian testing
20091120 18:56:56< shadowmaster> besides my own laptop, that is
20091120 18:57:50< shadowmaster> just wanted to know how stable it was atm but I think I just figured it out :)
20091120 18:58:43< mordante> I use it in virtualbox at work and is rather stable, I only have problems when I update X 
20091120 18:58:50< mordante> so reverted that upgrade
20091120 18:59:04 * shadowmaster upgraded everything :P
20091120 19:01:03< shadowmaster> and I'm now making kernels like crazy because I foobar'd and now radeonhd got slower after fixing my custom kernel config for the new udevd
20091120 19:01:35< shadowmaster> slower as in, flickering
20091120 19:02:38< shadowmaster> fendrin: I'll take care of it once TSI and Mr.IGetLoggedOutOfTheForums finish  with it
20091120 19:02:56< fendrin> shadowmaster: ok
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20091120 19:34:23< CIA-55> mordante * r39851 /trunk/ (INSTALL RELEASE_NOTES): Add some warnings about the problems with SDL 1.2.14.
20091120 19:36:01< CIA-55> mordante * r39852 /website/start/1.8/template.html: Fix some typos.
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20091120 19:43:07< loonycyborg> mordante: Note that Ivanovic also had issues with latest sdl-image. Maybe that should be mentioned too..
20091120 19:44:27< shadowmaster> what is the *image version?
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20091120 19:45:04< mordante> loonycyborg, ah yes I remember
20091120 19:45:15< mordante> Ivanovic, you still have the SDL image problems?
20091120 19:45:21< loonycyborg> 1.2.9 iirc
20091120 19:45:32< shadowmaster> ah, squeeze still has 1.2.8 :p
20091120 19:45:59< mordante> yes the latest SDL version isn't in squeeze yet ;-)
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20091120 21:09:38< Ivanovic> mordante: shortly after 1.2.9 there was the release of 1.2.10 which fixed the problems
20091120 21:10:03< mordante> Ivanovic, ok, then I won't mention the SDL image problem
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20091120 21:28:49< CIA-55> mordante * r39853 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/event/distributor.cpp: 
20091120 21:28:49< CIA-55> Avoid sending leave events to disabled widgets.
20091120 21:28:49< CIA-55> The issue was discovered by ilor in the player info dialog.
20091120 21:28:59< mordante> ilor_, ^
20091120 21:29:01< CIA-55> mordante * r39854 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp gui/dialogs/lobby_main.cpp): Strip trailing whitespace.
20091120 21:29:26< ilor_> mordante: thanks
20091120 21:30:07< mordante> you're welcome
20091120 21:31:46< mordante> Ivanovic, when do you want to release, this weekend or after all lobby problems are solved?
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20091120 21:47:52< boucman> anybody with some time and the ability to play sound on wesnoth to help me test a bug ?
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20091120 22:06:11< loonycyborg> boucman: What bug?
20091120 22:06:28< boucman> wesbot: bug 14727
20091120 22:06:28< wesbot> Bug #14727  Assigned to: Phil Barber <thespaceinvader>  Status: Confirmed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20091120 22:06:31< wesbot> Summary: No sound for Drake Fighter fire breath
20091120 22:06:34< wesbot> Original submission: When a Drake Fighter attacks another unit with fire breat
20091120 22:06:37< wesbot> h there is no "fire" sound. When other drake units attack with fire breath there
20091120 22:06:40< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?14727
20091120 22:07:05< boucman> i know how to fix it (or at least  most of it) but I can't get sound to work with wesnoth since karmic koala is out (investigating as we speak
20091120 22:07:35< loonycyborg> Even uninstalling pulseaudio doesn't work?
20091120 22:07:50< boucman> havn't tried that yet
20091120 22:08:01< boucman> what would I loose by doing that ?
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20091120 22:09:42< loonycyborg> No idea. I don't know much about sound stuff.
20091120 22:10:23< loonycyborg> boucman: I can repro it.
20091120 22:10:32< boucman> the bug ?
20091120 22:10:50< boucman> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m674bfc99 <= should fix the fighter part of the bug, could you try ?
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20091120 22:18:32< loonycyborg> boucman: I seem to hear it now, though could you tell me which file sound file is it to be sure?
20091120 22:18:49 * loonycyborg generally plays with sound off
20091120 22:19:46< boucman> loonycyborg: flame sound when attacking (different ones for hit and miss)
20091120 22:20:31< loonycyborg> I mean the path to the sound files so I could play them with mplayer :P
20091120 22:23:57< boucman> no idea :P
20091120 22:24:05< boucman>   sound=flame-big-miss.ogg
20091120 22:24:06< loonycyborg> I heard wesnoth-git/data/core/sounds/flame-big.ogg when drake fighters attacked HI.
20091120 22:24:12< boucman>                 sound=flame-big.ogg
20091120 22:24:22< boucman> ok, good then
20091120 22:27:05 * boucman just fixed his sound problems
20091120 22:27:10< boucman> thx rhonda :P
20091120 22:27:23< boucman> found my answer at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth/+bug/442535
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20091120 23:03:47< fendrin> boucman: Is this the solution for karmic kubuntu (the kde ubuntu) as well?
20091120 23:04:04< boucman> fendrin: the fix is not gnome specific, that's for sure
20091120 23:04:29< boucman> following symptoms : no sound, huge cpu usage, wesnoth doesn't quit
20091120 23:04:47< boucman> so yes, it's probably works with kubuntu too
20091120 23:05:11< stikonas> I've previously seen this issue on my computer
20091120 23:05:20< stikonas> but I can no longer reproduce it
20091120 23:05:34< stikonas> probably something caused by pulseaudio
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20091120 23:10:51< fendrin> the sound server pulse audio is not installed on my system so I guess installing a library that tries to output with it doesn't improve the situation.
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