--- Log opened Sat Nov 21 00:00:14 2009
20091121 00:04:31-!- fabi [n=fabi@77-20-109-103-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 00:19:03-!- fendrin [n=fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 00:21:15-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: string/feature freeze active! | 69 bugs, 244 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091121 00:29:55-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 00:39:57-!- zookeeper [n=l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit []
20091121 00:43:16-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"]
20091121 00:43:44-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 00:48:14-!- esr [n=chatzill@wesnoth/developer/esr] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009090217]"]
20091121 00:57:07-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@adsl-99-158-46-90.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 01:00:29-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@warzone2100/developer/Zarel] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"]
20091121 01:04:43-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 01:27:04-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@warzone2100/developer/Zarel] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"]
20091121 01:39:17-!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 01:49:05-!- Chusslove [n=Chusslov@brsg-d9bee7a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 01:55:29-!- Chusslove [n=Chusslov@brsg-d9bef345.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 02:09:41-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@mobile-166-137-135-166.mycingular.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 02:10:02-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit []
20091121 02:11:37-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 02:11:57-!- deekay [n=dk@wesnoth/developer/dragonking] has quit []
20091121 02:12:59-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@mobile-166-137-135-166.mycingular.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20091121 02:16:38-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 02:19:04-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@warzone2100/developer/Zarel] has quit [Client Quit]
20091121 02:19:41-!- Doppp [i=Doppp@unaffiliated/doppp] has quit [Connection timed out]
20091121 02:19:56-!- stikonas [n=and@bcm-131-111-216-119.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 02:21:12-!- shadowm_laptop [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 02:23:34-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 02:24:42-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 02:42:42-!- shadowm_laptop [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit ["nice"]
20091121 03:08:59-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@97.116.105.75] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 03:08:59-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@97.116.105.75] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 03:11:40-!- ardesh [n=ardesh@port-92-195-68-12.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 03:14:24-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@warzone2100/developer/Zarel] has quit ["Leaving"]
20091121 03:19:21-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@x-134-84-252-10.uofm-secure.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 03:21:13-!- esr [n=chatzill@146.145.247.101] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 03:22:41-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@adsl-99-158-46-90.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 03:30:01-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 03:34:36-!- Appleman1234 [n=Appleman@CPE-124-191-178-150.oxqn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20091121 03:59:17-!- Doppp [i=Doppp@CMU-330744.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 04:07:46-!- Aethaeryn [n=Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 04:14:26-!- Aethaeryn [n=Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #Wesnoth-dev
20091121 04:31:21-!- Aethaeryn [n=Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)]
20091121 04:31:56-!- SonIcco_ [n=SonIcco@pD95541C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 04:48:29-!- SonIcco [n=SonIcco@pD95135A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)]
20091121 05:09:08-!- allefant_ [n=elias@allegro/developer/allefant] has quit ["Leaving"]
20091121 05:11:07-!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 05:11:47< [Relic]> Hello :)
20091121 06:05:17-!- dtiger [n=dtiger@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-17-235.telecom.by] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 06:21:15-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: string/feature freeze active! | 70 bugs, 245 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091121 06:36:27-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@warzone2100/developer/Zarel] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"]
20091121 07:01:29-!- happygrue [n=George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
20091121 07:01:38-!- happygrue [n=George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 07:04:53-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@c-75-72-160-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 07:15:31-!- faryshta [n=faryshta@201.124.46.153] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 07:15:43< faryshta> I am doing TRoW using only Windsong and want to try do LoW after this but keeping my units and statistics.
20091121 07:20:42-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 07:21:40-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
20091121 07:22:00-!- Appleman1234 [n=Appleman@CPE-124-191-178-150.oxqn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 07:33:34-!- Doppp [i=Doppp@unaffiliated/doppp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 07:44:02-!- crimson_penguin [i=40c93cd3@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds]
20091121 08:01:09-!- norbert_ [n=norbert_@82-171-70-54.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 08:01:15< norbert_> the forum is slow/down
20091121 08:02:30< norbert_> Jesus Christ
20091121 08:02:34< norbert_> there are all my posts
20091121 08:02:40< norbert_> looks like the server woke up again
20091121 08:05:43-!- norbert_ [n=norbert_@82-171-70-54.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Client Quit]
20091121 08:24:50-!- gabm [n=gabm@201.70-ppp.3menatwork.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 08:26:01-!- gabm [n=gabm@201.70-ppp.3menatwork.com] has left #wesnoth-dev []
20091121 08:27:06-!- faryshta [n=faryshta@201.124.46.153] has quit ["Saliendo"]
20091121 08:39:25-!- boucman [n=rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 08:44:58< boucman> wesbot: seen crab_
20091121 08:44:58< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 1d 17h ago.  1d 15h ago person left:
20091121 08:55:38-!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
20091121 08:57:12-!- faryshta [n=faryshta@201.124.46.153] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 08:59:17-!- ardesh [n=ardesh@port-92-195-120-140.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 09:11:46-!- faryshta [n=faryshta@201.124.46.153] has quit ["Saliendo"]
20091121 09:31:32-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@adsl-99-158-46-90.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 09:45:59-!- deekay [n=dk@wesnoth/developer/dragonking] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 10:36:11-!- stikonas [n=and@bcm-131-111-216-119.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 10:36:30-!- ettin [n=jorda@wesnoth/developer/ettin] has quit ["leaving"]
20091121 10:38:00-!- zookeeper [n=l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 10:40:10-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 10:56:55-!- EdB [n=edb@250.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 11:27:29< boucman> http://wesnoth.terraninfo.net/index.php?dim1=ai_ident_me&dim2=my_side&dim3=svn_release&dim4=&dim5=&dim6=&dim7=&dim8=&dim9=&dim10=&dim11=&dim12=&dim13=&dim14=&dim15=&dim16=&dim17=&dim18=&dim19=&dim20=&latest_svn_only=yes&filter_svn_release=0 <= interesting...
20091121 11:27:48< boucman> the AI seems to be MUCH better as side 2 than as side 1...
20091121 11:38:47-!- Netsplit clarke.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: boucman
20091121 11:41:23-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
20091121 11:42:25-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 11:52:00-!- Netsplit over, joins: boucman
20091121 11:55:42-!- mordante [n=mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 11:55:50< boucman> hey mordante
20091121 11:55:58< mordante> servus
20091121 11:56:02< mordante> hi boucman 
20091121 11:56:02-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit []
20091121 11:56:42< boucman> mordante: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=394108#p394108 <= he should do a proper bug report, but let's not loose the info
20091121 12:02:46< mordante> boucman, thanks, I think I'm aware of issue 1, issue 3 is fixed, I guess issue 2 is for ilor^
20091121 12:03:19< boucman> ok, just mentionning
20091121 12:03:40< mordante> I appreciate it
20091121 12:04:38< mordante> I think he already downgraded to 1.6 again ;-) https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?14802
20091121 12:16:46-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.138.110] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 12:17:26-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.138.110] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 12:21:15-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: string/feature freeze active! | 69 bugs, 245 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091121 12:37:36-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@warzone2100/developer/Zarel] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
20091121 12:40:49< deekay> Wow, BIOS update just killed my brand new notebook...
20091121 12:42:00< loonycyborg> I hope you installed that update to fix some annoying issues and not just for kicks :P
20091121 12:42:06< deekay> So far for 4 BIOS updates in my life, this gives 50% failure ratio. Sweet.
20091121 12:42:33< deekay> loonybot: it was supposed to help with wifi switch problem
20091121 12:42:35< loonybot> error: 'it' does not name a type
20091121 12:42:51< deekay> s/loonybot/loonycyborg 
20091121 12:43:35< deekay> Last time I updated BIOS on my ASUS mobo, which apparently could not get right timings for my RAM and messed CPU settings
20091121 12:43:48< deekay> This was an epic failure as well.
20091121 12:44:08< deekay> It's so awesome to just watch progress bar getting stuck on something...
20091121 12:45:56 * loonycyborg never had a need to install BIOS updates
20091121 12:46:52< deekay> I had the "need" 4 times, twice it really fixed addressed issues. Twice it eliminated issues along with motherboard.
20091121 12:47:51< deekay> Seems that I'll need to call customer support at monday to get some technical come to me and replace this notebook's motherboard...
20091121 12:48:06< loonycyborg> So a failed BIOS update always turns the mobo in parerweight, you can't retry it?
20091121 12:48:13< deekay> Not always.
20091121 12:48:49< deekay> There are cases when you can restore bios if there's 1) such option 2) bios is not critically damaged
20091121 12:49:08< deekay> And there's is 3rd option to replace bios chip on the mobo.
20091121 12:49:42< deekay> But all of above is not possible with my current notebook.
20091121 13:04:01-!- allefant [n=elias@allegro/developer/allefant] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 13:25:30-!- stikonas [n=and@bcm-131-111-216-119.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 13:30:32< Ivanovic> moin
20091121 13:36:57< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20091121 13:49:25-!- EdB [n=edb@250.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 13:50:34< mordante> I'm off bye
20091121 13:51:20-!- mordante [n=mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has quit ["Leaving"]
20091121 13:54:33-!- ettin [n=jorda@wesnoth/developer/ettin] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 13:58:42-!- Doppp [n=Doppp@c-98-219-161-204.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 14:19:18-!- yann [n=dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 15:06:37< CIA-55> ivanovic * r39855 /trunk/ (10 files in 7 dirs): updated Czech, Portuguese (Brazil) and Slovak translation
20091121 16:20:58< Ivanovic> AI0867, allefant, boucman, Chusslove, deekay, esr, fabi, ilor, loonycyborg, shadowmaster, Soliton, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: how are things looking regarding a release of beta2?
20091121 16:21:55< ilor> Ivanovic: well I still would like to have more time for actual wesnoth work, I'll try to fix some of the lobby issues during this weekend or soon after
20091121 16:22:47< Ivanovic> ilor: has the lobby improved? (at least a little)
20091121 16:23:03< Ivanovic> if it has, it might already be worth a release so that those changes get tested
20091121 16:23:30< ilor> there's some improvement, one annoying crash was fixed, for one
20091121 16:23:56< ilor> still there are some things I'd like to fix, like some of the issues mentoned today
20091121 16:24:59< Ivanovic> sure, there are probably many things to still fix/improve, though i'd love to get beta2 out really soon, so that the existing bugfixes get some testing, you know
20091121 16:25:00< Ivanovic> ;)
20091121 16:25:18< Ivanovic> and it will not be 1.8 final or an rc, it will be "Just another beta"
20091121 16:26:16< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I'm getting an error when compiling po/wesnoth/pt_BR.po
20091121 16:26:53< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: what is the error message?
20091121 16:27:18< loonycyborg> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m2c5d2daf
20091121 16:27:59< Ivanovic> hmm, lovely
20091121 16:28:08< Ivanovic> getting no error message like this over here
20091121 16:30:05< Ivanovic> compiles without any problem over here
20091121 16:30:20< Ivanovic> will add a "fuzzy" marker to the string and ping the translator anyway
20091121 16:30:45< esr> Ivanovic: FWIW, I have no to-do items for before 1.8 other than clearing the bug list.
20091121 16:31:29< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: That error seems to be caused by passing -c to msgfmt
20091121 16:31:55< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: like i said, it does not happen on my setup (using cmake and that recipe)
20091121 16:31:56< Ivanovic> :)
20091121 16:32:06< esr> Campaign content is in a good state. DM is ready.
20091121 16:32:49< loonycyborg> Yes. scons seems to have spotted an error cmake didn't ;)
20091121 16:33:22< esr> Fendrin and I have fixed the chronic problems with UtBS, it's no longer amaintainance timesink.
20091121 16:34:12< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: i'd not call it error, just mistake
20091121 16:34:13< Ivanovic> ;)
20091121 16:34:33< loonycyborg> Either way fix it.
20091121 16:34:40< esr> Notice how few of our bugs are WML glitches...
20091121 16:35:15< CIA-55> ivanovic * r39856 /trunk/po/wesnoth/pt_BR.po: mark string as "fuzzy" that at least creates problems for loonycyborg, notified the translation maintainer via mail
20091121 16:35:38< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: this should be enough for the moment to make it compile again for you
20091121 16:35:58< loonycyborg> Indeed. Fuzzy has fixed it.
20091121 16:36:54< Ivanovic> would be suprised if it had *not* fixed it since once the string is marked fuzzy it is not among those that are added to the resulting .mo file, it *should* just be completely ignored
20091121 16:39:35< ilor> Ivanovic: I guess we'll have more betas than usual ..
20091121 16:40:14< Ivanovic> something like 3 beta versions (plus at least two rc) is *not* uncommon for us
20091121 16:40:16< Ivanovic> ;)
20091121 16:41:18< esr> Ivanovic: I'm tellingyou that we're ready for beta, and only the uncomfortably long list of game engine bugs is between us and 1.8.
20091121 16:42:10< Ivanovic> game engine and mp lobby polishing
20091121 16:42:12< Ivanovic> ;)
20091121 16:42:29< esr> Noted.
20091121 16:44:07< stikonas> Ivanovic: since you are releasing beta 2, I've sent you translation update
20091121 16:44:51< esr> LoW was a problem child for a while but seems to have stabilized now.
20091121 16:44:51< Ivanovic> stikonas: i am not "Just about to"
20091121 16:44:57< Ivanovic> won't be before tomorrow...
20091121 16:44:58< Ivanovic> ;)
20091121 16:45:23< stikonas> anyway, there won't be any more translations  before tomorrow
20091121 16:46:19< CIA-55> ivanovic * r39857 /trunk/po/ (6 files in 6 dirs): updated Lithuanian translation
20091121 16:46:28< esr> Ivanovic: Are you going to finish the German one?
20091121 16:46:36< Ivanovic> esr: no
20091121 16:47:09< Ivanovic> esr: in theory we have people responsible for textdomains/campaigns, and especially low is something in the need of "lots of love"
20091121 16:47:14< Ivanovic> some short "lets just get it done"
20091121 16:47:18< Ivanovic> is not the way to go there...
20091121 16:50:11< Ivanovic> i am offline now for "some hours" (might be tomorrow till i come back)
20091121 16:50:29-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.7.9-1.8beta2 *maybe* planned for sunday | string/feature freeze active! | 69 bugs, 245 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091121 16:54:28-!- Appleman1234 [n=Appleman@CPE-124-191-178-150.oxqn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Leaving"]
20091121 17:02:07-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@adsl-99-158-46-90.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 17:20:10-!- esr [n=chatzill@146.145.247.101] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 17:29:43-!- alink [n=alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 17:30:54-!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 17:41:53-!- giusef [n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 17:46:50-!- lizard_r [n=Miranda@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/lizard] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 18:10:11< Rhonda> boucman: You're welcome - and I'm really annoyed that it wasn't done yet. :(
20091121 18:10:25< boucman> Rhonda: yeah, I know :(
20091121 18:10:34< boucman> at least we know how to solve the problem....
20091121 18:21:15-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.7.9-1.8beta2 *maybe* planned for sunday | string/feature freeze active! | 70 bugs, 245 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091121 18:42:34-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@adsl-99-158-46-90.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Connection timed out]
20091121 18:52:22-!- lizard_r [n=Miranda@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/lizard] has quit ["Saurian Augur - I'll heal you by 4 hp if you leave next to me"]
20091121 18:54:52< CIA-55> alink * r39858 /trunk/src/ (map_location.cpp map_location.hpp): add a debug function to print a vector of locations
20091121 18:55:29-!- esr [n=chatzill@146.145.247.101] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 19:09:00-!- EdB [n=edb@107.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 19:19:01-!- esr [n=chatzill@146.145.247.101] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 19:22:40-!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 19:28:55-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 19:35:56-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
20091121 19:49:45-!- Doppp [n=Doppp@unaffiliated/doppp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20091121 19:50:02-!- Doppp [n=Doppp@c-98-219-161-204.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 19:52:16-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 20:05:59-!- AnMaster [n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit ["ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net"]
20091121 20:11:44-!- Deusite [n=thomas@92-238-120-246.cable.ubr26.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 20:12:33-!- fabi is now known as fendrin
20091121 20:19:45-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit ["GO, GET TO THE CHOPPAH!!!"]
20091121 20:22:18-!- alink [n=alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 20:30:58-!- AnMaster [n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 20:33:22-!- giusef [n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef] has quit ["exit (-1);"]
20091121 20:49:40-!- allefant_ [n=elias@allegro/developer/allefant] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 21:02:55-!- allefant [n=elias@allegro/developer/allefant] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20091121 21:11:54-!- Legend [n=bart@cpe-75-187-108-150.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 21:16:39-!- dtiger [n=dtiger@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-17-235.telecom.by] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 21:22:43-!- lizard_r [n=Miranda@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/lizard] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 21:35:15-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
20091121 21:40:13-!- boucman [n=rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit ["Leaving."]
20091121 21:47:26-!- shadowm_laptop [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 21:56:54-!- EdB [n=edb@107.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 22:16:49-!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 22:18:44< [Relic]> Hello :)
20091121 22:20:31-!- esr [n=chatzill@146.145.247.101] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 22:20:50-!- alink [n=alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 22:23:50-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 22:24:10-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@adsl-99-158-46-90.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 22:31:58-!- teaser [n=tsr@h-37-106.A254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 22:32:20< teaser> hi
20091121 22:33:14< teaser> I seem to remember reading in the logs a few days back that someone is going to make an overhaul of the add-on server (and integrate it with forum-accounts) who was that?
20091121 22:33:52< CIA-55> alink * r39859 /trunk/src/ (7 files): 
20091121 22:33:52< CIA-55> Fix bug #14796 : keep waypoints for multi-turns moves.
20091121 22:33:52< CIA-55> Also add more ways to remove them (since they are not auto cleared anymore):
20091121 22:33:52< CIA-55> - when double selecting an unit (as/because it was already done for goto)
20091121 22:33:52< CIA-55> - hotkey toggle any waypoint, not only the last one. This allow easier tweaking
20091121 22:33:55< shadowmaster> teaser: ilor
20091121 22:33:55< CIA-55> but make it harder to draw loop (which was not really useful or UI-clear anyway)
20091121 22:34:12< Ivanovic> teaser: ilor
20091121 22:34:36< ilor> teaser: yeah, me and 3 of my teammates from this uni project class we're having
20091121 22:35:05-!- boucman [n=rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 22:35:34< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: ohh, I see you've become one with another of my clones!
20091121 22:36:28< ilor> speaking of the addon server, I'm entering a phase where some high-level decisions have to be made in addition to manufcturing tons of diagrams
20091121 22:37:19< teaser> oh, ok Ilor (thanks everyone), I had an idea for an addition: a field for forum-thread (or even more generic: website) that will be able to be read and hopefully one day I get around writing a patch for cross platform clickable links in wesnoth text 
20091121 22:37:37< teaser> (not that highlevel, but anyway :D)
20091121 22:37:38< ilor> and since backwards compatibility stopped being a factor, we'd probably like to make the addon server pretty much a web application in python or the like, and make the game / scripts use http instead of a custom protocol
20091121 22:38:03< shadowmaster> does it have to be python? :(
20091121 22:38:09< ilor> no
20091121 22:38:26< ilor> I'd rather use python than php though
20091121 22:38:38-!- shadowm_laptop [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit ["rebooting to yet another new kernel"]
20091121 22:38:50< shadowmaster> I was thinking Perl :P
20091121 22:39:20< ilor> essentially what our custom, c++ campaing server does is much more suited to a plain webapp
20091121 22:40:28< ilor> Perl. ugh. not really what we were considering :P
20091121 22:48:27-!- esr [n=chatzill@146.145.247.101] has quit [Success]
20091121 22:49:41< shadowmaster> it seems esr agrees with yu ;)
20091121 22:50:35-!- esr [n=chatzill@146.145.247.101] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 22:51:13< alink> boucman: got a minute about an optimization target ? (fill_initial_animations())
20091121 22:52:24< boucman> alink: yes, i don't have time to code, but we can discuss
20091121 22:53:20< alink> it it seems to be the main bottleneck of the "Initializing teams" phase
20091121 22:54:23< boucman> alink: well, it's reading the whole animation WML for all unit types... so it's not really a suprise infortunately
20091121 22:54:32< boucman> not sure how we could optimize it, though
20091121 22:54:53< alink> it seems to be called for unit_type (and the result is copied in the unit) and a second time for the unit itself. One seems a bit redundant, is it wanted/needed?
20091121 22:55:13< boucman> hmm
20091121 22:55:29< alink> so unit::animations is "filled" twice
20091121 22:56:06< alink> but i am not sure how different is the WML parsed
20091121 22:57:56< boucman> unit::read is only used when loading a savegame, isn't it ?
20091121 22:58:23< teaser> ilor: should I post a FR somewhere or did you already take note of my suggestion?
20091121 22:58:46< ilor> teaser: a FR is best for a long term reminder -- which this is
20091121 22:58:51< boucman> alink: it seems redundant on first look but it would need checking
20091121 22:59:07-!- shadowm_laptop [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 22:59:11< boucman> WML can add animation to a specific unit, which needs to be saved/restored
20091121 22:59:12< teaser> ilor: ok, will do
20091121 22:59:22< boucman> so it makes sense that there is such code in the unit loading code
20091121 22:59:47< boucman> however i am not sure exactly how it works, it would need some digging...
20091121 23:01:31< alink> boucman: read() seems called each time we build unit from WML (in 2 unit ctors). But I suppose that it's still relevant if the goal is to optimize loading.
20091121 23:01:46-!- lizard_r [n=Miranda@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/lizard] has quit ["Saurian Augur - I'll heal you by 4 hp if you leave next to me"]
20091121 23:02:31< alink> boucman: do we have debug output code to read the contents of unit::animations_ ?
20091121 23:03:02< boucman> nope
20091121 23:03:18< teaser> ilor, you might want to assign #14817 to yourself
20091121 23:03:34< boucman> well, i have to dig, but apparently animations are not saved "per se"
20091121 23:04:16< alink> boucman: ah so we can't study animations_ by looking the savegame.cfg :(
20091121 23:04:21< boucman> add_modification is the only place that handle wml added animations, so it's stored as a "modification" chunk of WML
20091121 23:04:54< ilor> teaser: done, also marked is as a FR insetad of a bug ;). for future fererence best paste a link here, speeds things up :)
20091121 23:05:15< boucman> alink: tbh, i don't understand what fill_initial_anim is doing here, cfg_ being a [unit] iiuc it shouldn't contain any animation WML so initial anims would be plain wrong
20091121 23:05:27-!- yann [n=dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20091121 23:07:04< teaser> on to my next subject: do you (the general devs) really want to swap from linking to gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html to opensource.org in the 1.8 press release?
20091121 23:07:35< alink> boucman: maybe try remove it and see what does it break (if anything) ? ;p
20091121 23:07:40< teaser> ilor: noted (somehow I assumed some bot would render the #digits into a tracker-item-link)
20091121 23:07:40< boucman> :P
20091121 23:08:30< boucman> alink: animation modifications per units are handled as modifications, so there is no need for special handling, and I don't understand why it's here...
20091121 23:08:36< alink> boucman: i will try to check if remove only this one also improve speed
20091121 23:10:25< boucman> alink: ok, I think I have an explenation, but it doesn't make much sense to me...
20091121 23:11:21-!- Appleman1234 [n=Appleman@CPE-124-191-178-150.oxqn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 23:12:09< alink> boucman: disabling it remove 50% time of "inializing teams" on my first test case and even more of my second case.
20091121 23:12:14< boucman> usually, we initialize animations_ using unit_type->animations()
20091121 23:12:52< boucman> however in unit::read() we don't have any unit_type variable to base ourselves on (apparently unit don't have a pointer to its unit_type)
20091121 23:12:59< fendrin> alink: Did you implement the filter listbox for the recall dialogue?
20091121 23:13:39< boucman> so we have to do a fill_initial_anim
20091121 23:13:50< alink> fendrin: not sure, i add filter to some places and fixed various filter bugs
20091121 23:14:03< boucman> i'm only half convinced since fill_initial_anim wouldn't work, but that's an explanation
20091121 23:14:42< boucman> haha
20091121 23:14:58-!- Deusite [n=thomas@92-238-120-246.cable.ubr26.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit []
20091121 23:15:06< alink> boucman: ok, seems to make sense, i chech how this play with advances_to()
20091121 23:15:21< boucman> advances_to uses the unit_type
20091121 23:15:41< fendrin> alink: WML filter or gui filter?
20091121 23:15:46< boucman> i'm still not sure how read() could work since I don't see where the animations would be saved in write() but that explains why it's done
20091121 23:16:47< alink> fendrin: gui filter
20091121 23:17:12< boucman> alink: in write there is a method to find the unit_type of a unit 
20091121 23:17:19< boucman> so we could reuse that in read
20091121 23:17:36< boucman> but i'd like to understand who saves animations in the savegame...
20091121 23:17:49< alink> "unit::read() we don't have any unit_type variable to base ourselves" read() call advances_to, which get the unit_type and copy its animations
20091121 23:18:19< boucman> hmm
20091121 23:18:29< boucman> ok it seems really redundant, then
20091121 23:20:35< boucman> alink: i don't see why it couldn't be removed at this point... just make sure that the animations are still removed from the private config (i'm still not quite sure if/how they got there, though)
20091121 23:22:45< alink> "animations are still removed from the private config" ?
20091121 23:23:10< boucman> unit.cpp line 1490 is what I mean
20091121 23:27:06-!- shadowm_laptop [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
20091121 23:27:13< alink> btw, whitout this line, anims continue to work
20091121 23:27:37< alink> at least, standard ones, not sure what special cases need checking
20091121 23:27:55< boucman> hmm
20091121 23:28:15< boucman> alink: please test that a "missing anim" works, like a unit with no movement anim works
20091121 23:28:30< boucman> then try a "real anim" like a fight (you probably already did that)
20091121 23:28:42< boucman> custom anims shouldn't be affected, i'm not worried
20091121 23:31:58< alink> all seems to works fine, so far. Does it risk to change contents of savegame or how savegame are loaded?
20091121 23:33:02< boucman> no savegame incompatibilities, graphical bugs at worse
20091121 23:33:25< boucman> (assuming you leave the cleaning I mentionned, which is probably useless, but we never know)
20091121 23:34:27< fendrin> do you have the plan to port them to gui2?
20091121 23:34:39< fendrin> alink: ^
20091121 23:35:09< esr> News of the day:  The documents from the Climate Research Unit breakin are on Pirate Bay! :-) :-) :-)
20091121 23:36:15< boucman> esr: not a suprise... (that they are on the pirate bay, the breaking itself was a suprise)
20091121 23:36:23< alink> fendrin: I didn't start to work on gui2 yes. But I assumed that mordante will port it. Of course, i can help and bugfix if needed
20091121 23:36:24< boucman> esr: and what do they say ?
20091121 23:36:29< alink> s/yes/yet
20091121 23:38:26< alink> fendrin: maybe such job could interest shadowmaster too
20091121 23:39:04< shadowmaster> port what?
20091121 23:39:13< ilor> esr: the whole thing or just the 'excerpts'?
20091121 23:40:09< fendrin> shadowmaster: The listbox whose allow filtering and sorting to gui2.
20091121 23:40:44< alink> I think you often worked on the addon-dialog
20091121 23:40:44< shadowmaster> those words remind me of a programming course.
20091121 23:40:56< shadowmaster> alink: the GUI1 one? yres
20091121 23:43:08< alink> fendrin: btw does column sorting is already working fine in gui2 ?
20091121 23:43:41< alink> (filtering will work on top of that)
20091121 23:44:45< fendrin> alink: I don't know. Haven't seen the feature yet so I believe it's still not implemented.
20091121 23:46:56< alink> mmh in fact, you can also build sorting on top of filtering. Anyway, the two must play well with each other.
20091121 23:50:42< alink> boucman: still no bug found. So, if all seems fine, I remove that line myself or i let you do it (and maybe dig more) ?
20091121 23:51:03< boucman> alink: please go ahead, i would just remove the line anyway :)
20091121 23:51:43-!- Espreon [n=espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 23:52:09-!- zookeeper [n=l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)]
20091121 23:52:33< alink> boucman: ok, i continue to test few things and if ok, I will remove it later tonight
20091121 23:52:41< boucman> thx
20091121 23:52:47< boucman> night time here, anyway...
20091121 23:52:52-!- boucman [n=rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit ["Leaving."]
20091121 23:54:23< alink> Ivanovic: does a release is planned for tomorow (sunday)
20091121 23:54:48< Ivanovic> alink: regarding the topic: yeah, there might be a release tomorrow
20091121 23:55:05< alink> ok
20091121 23:58:40-!- zookeeper [n=l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20091121 23:59:55-!- elynia [n=shyde@wesnoth/umc-dev/misc/elynia] has joined #wesnoth-dev
--- Log closed Sun Nov 22 00:00:02 2009