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Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration."] 20091108 10:48:19< Ivanovic> moin 20091108 10:48:56-!- G-Lo [i=Propagan@unaffiliated/g-lo] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 10:50:17-!- uzsolt [i=uzsolt@team.pld-linux.org] has left #wesnoth [] 20091108 10:50:17-!- uzsolt [i=uzsolt@team.pld-linux.org] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 10:55:47-!- Cyber_Rock [n=Ankit@unaffiliated/cyber-rock/x-7112426] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20091108 10:59:10-!- spongebob [n=spongebo@120.28.85.136] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 11:03:10< spongebob> hi guys, I can't repeat last recruit... it doesn't show in the right click menu, and ctrl+alt+r doesn't work either 1.6.5, on Debian sid. 20091108 11:06:13< Ivanovic> spongebob: ehm, *is* there a last recruit that can be repeated? 20091108 11:06:24< Ivanovic> as in: have you recruited something right before 20091108 11:06:42< Ivanovic> or are you right at the start of a scenario and/or recalled units? 20091108 11:08:30< spongebob> Ivanovic, yeah I did 20091108 11:08:57< Ivanovic> then i got no idea and you will have to wait till someone who might knows it answers 20091108 11:09:14< Ivanovic> (that is: i never used this hotkey and got no idea it if is supposed to work) 20091108 11:09:48< spongebob> I'm on turn 4, and still nothing... it's very convenient since, I get careless when recruiting many units with ctrl+r. :lol: 20091108 11:10:33< Ivanovic> it might be that it only work for the current turn or something like this, really not sure at all though 20091108 11:11:55< spongebob> it's always in the menu, even if a unit hasn't been recruited, but it's just not here in my case... :\ 20091108 11:14:24< Vornicus> It doesn't appear to even exist in 1.6.2 but then I should probably update shouldn't I 20091108 11:16:26< spongebob> hmm... it's in the hotkeys menu, and it was in 1.6.something... let me check what specific version 20091108 11:19:40< Vornicus> Ah, the hotkey works in 1.6.2 but it's not in the menu. 20091108 11:23:35< spongebob> I can't check what version I had before, but the hotkey worked and it was in the menu... perhaps my distribution did something. 20091108 11:25:10< Ivanovic> Rhonda: have you done anything on the debian binary? 20091108 11:25:11< Ivanovic> ;) 20091108 11:25:22< Ivanovic> spongebob: rhonda tends to leave the binaries vanilla 20091108 11:25:58< spongebob> hmm... odd. 20091108 11:28:21< spongebob> I guess I have to be careful with recruiting then ;P 20091108 11:55:39-!- spongebob [n=spongebo@120.28.85.136] has quit ["Leaving"] 20091108 11:55:56-!- Lancaster [n=Miranda@124.64.108.161] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 12:17:37-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [] 20091108 12:17:40-!- Zarel [n=Zarel@warzone2100/developer/Zarel] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20091108 12:31:58-!- KEBA [n=mario@f049021130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 12:54:37-!- mich- [n=mich-@host81-243-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 13:17:51-!- Cyber_Rock [n=Ankit@unaffiliated/cyber-rock/x-7112426] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 13:26:37-!- Cyber_Rock is now known as Cyber_Rock|away 20091108 13:32:40-!- Ares_ [n=Ares@189.124.144.197] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 13:34:35-!- Ares_ [n=Ares@189.124.144.197] has left #wesnoth ["Saindo"] 20091108 13:36:45-!- Nissarin [n=nissarin@91.202.192.6] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 13:43:09-!- Aethaeryn [n=Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #Wesnoth 20091108 14:20:08-!- elias [n=elias@allegro/developer/allefant] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 14:22:30< lukjad007> When creating a campaign, do many people make different maps for different difficulty levels? 20091108 14:22:45< Aethaeryn> Does anyone? 20091108 14:23:09< lukjad007> Aethaeryn I am 20091108 14:23:17< lukjad007> Aethaeryn I was just wondering if other people do 20091108 14:24:02< Aethaeryn> Reminds me of the way they did difficulty here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Fox_%28SNES%29#Gameplay 20091108 14:24:06-!- uzsolt [i=uzsolt@team.pld-linux.org] has left #wesnoth ["Lost terminal"] 20091108 14:24:24-!- uzsolt [i=uzsolt@team.pld-linux.org] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 14:24:32-!- uzsolt [i=uzsolt@team.pld-linux.org] has left #wesnoth ["Lost terminal"] 20091108 14:24:33< Aethaeryn> "The level of difficulty is determined by choosing one of three routes through the Lylat system." 20091108 14:25:00< lukjad007> Ah, yes. That's what I'm going for 20091108 14:25:22-!- uzsolt [i=uzsolt@team.pld-linux.org] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 14:25:29< lukjad007> Aethaeryn Because I always was slightly annoyed at the fact that playing hard just meant less money and time and nothing was any different. 20091108 14:26:37< Aethaeryn> They should have bonus dialogs, or even a bonus cutscene, for playing through some parts on the hardest difficulty. 20091108 14:26:49< Aethaeryn> Nothing that really affects gameplay, but still makes you feel like the effort was well spent. 20091108 14:27:01< Aethaeryn> Like the second ending to Halo 3 by beating it on Legendary 20091108 14:27:31< lukjad007> Yeah. 20091108 14:29:00< lukjad007> Aethaeryn I'm planning to make the terrain just a bit different and the AI act differently for each level. So if you were used to just sitting back and defending yourself, you now have to attack the very defencively placed troups 20091108 14:29:05< lukjad007> *troops 20091108 14:30:43-!- KEBA [n=mario@f049021130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #wesnoth [] 20091108 14:33:49< Aethaeryn> You can't sit back and defend yourself in campaigns. 20091108 14:33:51< Aethaeryn> Turn limits. 20091108 14:37:51-!- Cyber_Rock|away is now known as Cyber_Rock 20091108 14:38:26< lukjad007> Aethaeryn If the goal is to survive for 16 turns or defeat the leader you can 20091108 14:40:29< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Not that I am aware of. Only thing I touch is the desktop file to start it with wrapped in >/dev/null 20091108 14:41:15< Aethaeryn> lukjad007: not the "or defeat the leader" part 20091108 14:41:19< Aethaeryn> survive 16 turns, sure 20091108 14:41:44< lukjad007> Aethaeryn Agreed, but some have two goals. 20091108 14:43:53-!- ramirez [n=ramirez@189.124.144.197] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 14:46:20< lukjad007> Aethaeryn Is there much demand for map creators? 20091108 14:51:13< Aethaeryn> lukjad007: depends on what you mean by demand 20091108 14:51:45< Aethaeryn> I suppose the demand curve is a horizontal line at the 0, in that no one would pay any money for a Wesnoth map 20091108 14:53:36< lukjad007> Aethaeryn I mean, would there be anyone who would want someone to help them create maps, or do people with the know-how to create campaigns have the creative ability to design the maps themselves. 20091108 14:54:42< Aethaeryn> There might be someone who wants you to do maps, but they'd probably also be the same kind of person who wants others to do the code and the art for them as well. 20091108 14:54:46< Aethaeryn> Basic scenario WML is easy. 20091108 14:55:06< Aethaeryn> My advice to you is introduce yourself to WML (so that you can eventually make a campaign) the same way I did: multiplayer. 20091108 14:55:09-!- uzsolt [i=uzsolt@team.pld-linux.org] has left #wesnoth ["Lost terminal"] 20091108 14:55:19< Aethaeryn> I made a bunch of maps, then I coded them so I could publish them in a mappack (very basic code, most of it) 20091108 14:55:37< Aethaeryn> And then, from that knowledge, you basically just need to learn how to make a _main.cfg and some victory trigger in order to do a campaign 20091108 14:57:13< lukjad007> Aethaeryn Ah, I see. 20091108 14:57:55-!- uzsolt [i=uzsolt@team.pld-linux.org] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 14:58:53< Aethaeryn> lukjad007: download Aethaeryn's Maps (shameless plug, I know, but there's a point to it... pick another mappack that has plain maps without fancy tricks if you want) 20091108 14:59:11< Aethaeryn> lukjad007: then go to the folder that has it, look at the scenario files for some of them (Chambers, Gladiator Arena, etc.) 20091108 14:59:32< Aethaeryn> It's really sipmle WML, get used to WML like that, and it's just one step to add things like triggers and dialog 20091108 15:05:12< lukjad007> Aethaeryn Can I have a link to your maps? 20091108 15:05:25< lukjad007> It doesn't seem to be on the wesnoth.map server 20091108 15:08:08< Aethaeryn> the wesnoth.map server? 20091108 15:09:31< Aethaeryn> They're on the Wesnoth add-on server as "Aethaeryn's Maps" 20091108 15:09:46< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth 1.6, of course. No one does MP on development versions anymore. 20091108 15:19:05< lukjad007> Ah 20091108 15:19:31< Aethaeryn> I'm going to publish it for 1.8 once the add-on server resets (and it better reset like it has in the past, imo) 20091108 15:27:20-!- Miccoh [n=Miccoh@hoasb-ff0bdd00-77.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 15:30:24< Smar> I’d rather implement functionality that removes the need of resetting, but well :) 20091108 15:32:12< Aethaeryn> Well, since the development cycle is so drawn out, many add-ons at the top of the 1. list are abandonned by the time the newest 1. comes 20091108 15:38:41-!- Lancaster [n=Miranda@124.64.108.161] has quit [Client Quit] 20091108 16:50:32-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 16:56:29-!- _CallToPower [n=CallToPo@s15229144.onlinehome-server.info] has joined #wesnoth 20091108 17:01:06-!- _CallToPower [n=CallToPo@s15229144.onlinehome-server.info] has left #wesnoth [] 20091108 17:04:14-!- fendrin 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