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20091114 08:15:47< johpunk> hi
20091114 08:16:50< johpunk> dudesi have a problem with wesnoth this crash when i try to open http://gentoo-ve.pastebin.com/m45af3e71
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20091114 09:43:07< n3penthe> hello how do I save a scenario file if I make a map for 1.6?
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20091114 10:22:36< Ivanovic> moin
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20091114 13:18:31< Codegollum> Hello.
20091114 13:18:58< Codegollum> Life is a piece of shit, and the Universe is a big glitch
20091114 13:20:08< Codegollum> Should I try to distribute Wesnoth CD and send the money to the project?
20091114 13:21:30< VurtualRuler98> what
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20091114 13:31:25< Codegollum> VurtualRulerR90: Should I try to sell CD's of Wesnoth and send the earned $ to the game project?
20091114 13:36:36< VurtualRuler98> since when did my name end in R90?
20091114 13:36:44< VurtualRuler98> And that sounds very sketchy legally.
20091114 13:36:54< VurtualRuler98> As in, very illegal and against the nature of the project.
20091114 13:37:06< VurtualRuler98> or something weird like that
20091114 13:38:25< Codegollum> But if the money is send to the project itself and what I get myself is NOTHING?
20091114 13:39:13< Codegollum> sent *
20091114 13:39:48< VurtualRuler98> They don't want your money.
20091114 13:40:15< Codegollum> But what about maintaining the server?
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20091114 13:59:26< Ken_Oh> does wmllint make a dump of its findings anywhere?
20091114 14:00:36< unnheulu> VurtualRuler98: how is it illegal?
20091114 14:01:29< Tonepoet> It isn't, so long as you adhere to the GPL.
20091114 14:01:30< unnheulu> VurtualRuler98: also who said they didn't want the money? :P
20091114 14:05:04< Smar> developers have stated they don’t want donations
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20091114 14:05:22< Smar> instead donate to freenetproject... ;) (or not)
20091114 14:05:51< Tonepoet> I thought there was a donations box though...
20091114 14:05:54< Smar> but wesnoth is going forward purely with people’s will to continue the project
20091114 14:05:58< Smar> there isn’t.
20091114 14:07:32< Tonepoet> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=26193&p=381225&hilit=Wesnoth+Donations#p381225 <- There were, which is probably what I'm thinking of.
20091114 14:07:50< Tonepoet> But that's not a link to an actual donation topic, just a statement by Dave.
20091114 14:07:57< unnheulu> why is there adverts?
20091114 14:08:23< Smar> ask the devs
20091114 14:08:45< Smar> I think it’s because owner of the server doesn’t want to pay *full bill* of the server
20091114 14:09:05< Smar> hence wesnoth is actually popular, the server actually needs some capacity, too...
20091114 14:09:09< Tonepoet> There are adverts?
20091114 14:09:25< Smar> google ads, yes
20091114 14:09:33< Smar> front page of wesnoth.org, atleast
20091114 14:10:16< Tonepoet> That's new.
20091114 14:11:18< Smar> yep, they were added while devs were forced to move to the server that actually costs to them something
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20091114 14:21:54< Tonepoet> Somewhat disappointing since it was the only professional ad-free sight on the web, although I suppose that it was inevitable. Wesnoth's 'still' growing and bandwidth isn't exactly free.
20091114 14:23:30< Tonepoet> And yes I mean sight. As in something to marvel at. In no way did I mix up homophones. >_> <_< =P
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20091114 14:39:29< johpunk> hi
20091114 14:40:31< johpunk> i need help with this http://gentoo-ve.pastebin.com/m45af3e71 when i try to open the game
20091114 14:41:43< VurtualRuler98> hm
20091114 14:42:16< VurtualRuler98> I have no valid experience to make an educated guess.
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20091114 15:00:41< Zarel> VurtualRuler98: Don't tell people things that are incorrect.
20091114 15:00:55< Zarel> Selling Wesnoth CDs is perfectly legal, even if you keep the money yourself.
20091114 15:01:07< VurtualRuler98> wait what
20091114 15:01:10< VurtualRuler98> o_o
20091114 15:01:17 * Zarel sighs
20091114 15:01:31< Zarel> Go read the GPL if you don't believe me. You can sell Wesnoth as much as you want.
20091114 15:02:02< Zarel> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney
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20091114 15:44:33< Tonepoet> The GPL allows money, although anybody who buys Wesnoth and later finds out they could've downloaded it for free will feel cheated nevertheless, so I question the morality of selling it in C.D. format.
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20091114 15:46:34< Smar> what about selling a cd that tells people to download wesnoth from wesnoth.org....
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20091114 15:47:36< Tonepoet> That probably wouldn't violate copyright, but it may constitute a scam if it's disproportionately valued.
20091114 15:48:15< Tonepoet> *or deceitfully described. Kind of like selling people a picture of a cell phone on eBay.
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20091114 15:51:02< Tonepoet> Wesnoth itself has inherent value as a game, at the least, wether or not you can get it for shall we say, "a better price" elsewhere...
20091114 15:52:02< Tomsik> Well, you could sell it with lots of stuff on the CD 
20091114 15:52:09< Tomsik> so you don't have to download everything
20091114 15:52:25< Tomsik> especially if your connection is rather slow
20091114 15:54:22< Noyga> hi Squirrel Knight
20091114 15:54:24< Tonepoet> That's true and such purposes have value to specific individuals.
20091114 15:55:17< Tonepoet> For the general public however, I doubt you'd be able to get much, if they were aware of all the facts.
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20091114 15:58:32< Ankit_1992s> i really think that cd should be sold at the market price of the blank cd...the profit can be made by buying the cd in large amounts and the proceedings can be donated to Wesnoth
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20091114 16:30:04< Tonepoet> You'd make no profit at all if you only sold it for what it cost to make. At best you'd break even and have no more money than when you started, at best.
20091114 16:31:54< Tonepoet> Therefore if you wanted any proceedings to go to Wesnoth, you'd have to charge more than the price of a C.D. the jewel case or slip cover you stored it in, the electricity needed to burn it and printed materials, if any.
20091114 16:32:10< Ankit_1992s> no large quantites have pretty good discounts
20091114 16:32:35< Tonepoet> If you could sell enough to justify buying in bulk.
20091114 16:33:31< Ankit_1992s> and if you set up a global post or subdomain in wesnoth then you can provide everyone with cd from local branches without the shipping cost
20091114 16:35:06< Ankit_1992s> get bulk from suppliers all over the world and sell it at cd cost or just a little more then you will make huge profits
20091114 16:37:40< fabi> Having a box with a great map poster of wesnoth, a printed manual, a poster with the unit advancement tree and so on would be great.
20091114 16:38:04< Ankit_1992s> yes that would be great and make more profit
20091114 16:38:20< Ankit_1992s> but printing cost are high
20091114 16:38:50< Ankit_1992s> so if we add that to the cd then it will reduce our cost and we can still sell it for higher price
20091114 16:38:54< fabi> I am not sure if that would be a profitable buisness. I guess the person who tries this will in fact loose money.
20091114 16:40:04< Ankit_1992s> but even if we make no profit or loss ...things like this would promote wesnoth and ultimately increase its donation
20091114 16:40:13< fabi> sure
20091114 16:41:02< fabi> A wesnoth tournament that takes place at a location and not only on the internet could increase the popularity.
20091114 16:41:04< Tonepoet> Assuming we make a loss, would the benefit to Wesnoth be greater than the cost of the loss?
20091114 16:41:29< Tonepoet> Because if it isn't, one may as well eliminate the middleman and donate directly.
20091114 16:41:59< Ankit_1992s> i think it would be greater than our loss(if we lose) 
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20091114 16:43:42< Ankit_1992s> it is hard to loose anything ....if people don't order the cd's then you can keep them blank and sell them at market price
20091114 16:44:35< Ankit_1992s> and market price would always be higher than bulk buy
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20091114 16:49:40< Tonepoet> It'd be quite the undertaking to say the least.
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20091114 18:41:47< Lindsay40k> Hello, is this the Battle for Wesnoth chat?
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20091114 18:59:53< VurtualRuler98> I guess.
20091114 19:11:51< Cyber_Rock|away> Lindsay40k: yes
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20091114 19:45:37< Lindsay40k> Is there a guide on how to play Rise of Civilizations anywhere?
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20091114 20:10:00< Soliton> and what would that be?
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20091114 20:43:53< Lindsay40k> It's a Wesnoth mod
20091114 20:45:55< Lindsay40k> Wesciv on the add-ons menu
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20091114 20:48:13< zookeeper> if there's any in-game instructions, then those are very likely the only ones there are
20091114 20:52:23< fabi> Lindsay40k: you can read the code and see what it is needed to do.
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20091114 21:02:42< Lindsay40k> I was searching the forums, but couldn't find a relevant thread :/
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20091114 21:42:25< Soliton> Lindsay40k: http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=27296
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20091114 23:19:27< Lindsay40k> Okay, now I'm really confused. Is Wesciv the same as Age of Civilizations?
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20091114 23:23:17< fabi> Lindsay40k: I guess wesciv is the addon that provides the "Age of Civilizations" ?
20091114 23:23:53< Lindsay40k> It seems to be, but this guide to Wesciv doesn't seem to be relevant to what I see in front of me in AoC...
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