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20091129 00:40:11< fred_m> hello
20091129 00:40:17< fred_m> very good game
20091129 00:41:23< fred_m> difficult to work when you know you can kill several ennemies
20091129 00:42:41< fred_m> i just got some sounds troubles on 1.6.5 on ubuntu 9.1
20091129 00:43:53< fred_m> but i like the game
20091129 00:44:24< fred_m> campaigns are nice and the system with experienci is very well
20091129 00:44:51< fred_m> it makes me remember battle isle on my amiga500
20091129 00:45:34< fred_m> i spent o lot of time on it too
20091129 00:46:55< shadowmaster> what kind of sound problems?
20091129 00:48:36< fred_m> i don't know it stop suddenly
20091129 00:49:17< fred_m> it can work betwen less than one second and maybe thirty minutes
20091129 00:52:15< fred_m> but even without sound it's a good game
20091129 01:07:44< grzywacz> Hm. Pulseaudio?
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20091129 01:21:50< fred_m> wesnoth doesn't work with pulseaudio?
20091129 01:23:11< Espreon> fred_m: It's not Wesnoth that needs the support, 'tis SDL.
20091129 01:24:59< Espreon> fred_m: Which distro are you using?
20091129 01:25:20< fred_m> so maybe i need the package could look like libsdl1.2-pulseaudio
20091129 01:25:28< fred_m> ubuntu 9.10
20091129 01:25:42< Espreon> Yeah, that sounds right.
20091129 01:27:51< fred_m> ok, i ll try and play, thanks and good night...
20091129 01:28:07< shadowmaster> pure ALSA here.
20091129 01:28:08< Espreon> You are welcome.
20091129 01:28:12< Espreon> Same here.
20091129 01:28:19< shadowmaster> no wonder everything works right for me ;)
20091129 01:28:23< Espreon> Heh...
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20091129 01:29:51< grzywacz> fred_m, you can change the SDL audio driver by exporting the SDL_AUDIODRIVER env var with various values.
20091129 01:34:23< mathstuf> shadowmaster: yeah, I've heard some horror stories about pa in ubuntu...had very few issues in fedora myself
20091129 01:36:00< Espreon> ... and I just eradicated it from my system.
20091129 01:37:14< mathstuf> yeah, I've heard horror stories, never had them myself
20091129 01:37:30< mathstuf> but filing bugs is the right course, not just removing it :(
20091129 01:37:39< Espreon> PA worked fine on my system, but KMix is incapable of controlling it, so... yeahz...
20091129 01:37:53< mathstuf> yeah, there's that too
20091129 01:37:57< mathstuf> i wish it did
20091129 01:38:07< shadowmaster> eh..
20091129 01:38:19< shadowmaster> AFAICT KDE 4 does support different sound backends
20091129 01:38:23< mathstuf> but i usually just set everything to max then use kmix PCM controls
20091129 01:38:34< mathstuf> shadowmaster: xine and gstreamer
20091129 01:38:44< mathstuf> but those are the ones that interface with pulseaudio
20091129 01:38:51< mathstuf> not phonon itself
20091129 01:39:28< Espreon> shadowmaster: From what I know, the PulseAudio-controlling components in KMix are incomplete.
20091129 01:39:45< shadowmaster> mathstuf: I mean http://shadowm.rewound.net/sndconfig.png
20091129 01:40:08< shadowmaster> although, yeah, it doesn't mean Kmix should support controlling those
20091129 01:40:37< mathstuf> mandriva did work to improve kde/pulseaudio support
20091129 01:41:01< mathstuf> no idea when it'll land in ubuntu, but mandriva should have it and fedora will be getting it Soon™
20091129 01:41:55< Espreon> Hopefully it was sent upstream...
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20091129 01:42:16< mathstuf> yeah, he's a KDE dev
20091129 01:42:20< Espreon> Grand.
20091129 01:42:33< mathstuf> worked with lennart for what needed to be done with pulse itself
20091129 01:43:50< mathstuf> shadowmaster: what widget theme is that?
20091129 01:44:02< grzywacz> I'd much rather see proper sound mixing in kernel. :-S I find sound daemons useless on standalone desktops.
20091129 01:44:45< mathstuf> well, you've got apps like skype which grab the device blocking everyone else out or it sits on the sidelines while something else has it
20091129 01:44:49< mathstuf> so you need something
20091129 01:45:04< mathstuf> and there was dmix, but wasn't that alsa-specific?
20091129 01:46:03< grzywacz> mathstuf, right, but it works with my sblive just fine with ALSA, even without dmix.
20091129 01:46:27< grzywacz> And it works fine in windows, so meh.
20091129 01:46:42< mathstuf> they have a different sound stack
20091129 01:46:52< mathstuf> and i do admit linux's is fairly complex
20091129 01:47:19< mathstuf> alsa -> pulseaudio/jack -> gstreamer/xine/vlc/mplayer -> phonon
20091129 01:47:24< mathstuf> for KDE/Qt stuff
20091129 01:47:42< grzywacz> Bloat.
20091129 01:48:21< mathstuf> yeah, but to get things cross platform and whatnot, they all need to be there
20091129 01:48:23< grzywacz> Most of apps in my systmem go alsa -> kernel. Of course stuff like amarok has some multimedia backends in front of alsa...
20091129 01:48:53< mathstuf> gstreamer/xine to handle codecs, else they go into kernel or duplicated in every app
20091129 01:48:55< grzywacz> mathstuf, can you elaborate on the "cross platform" thing? :-)
20091129 01:49:05< grzywacz> Well, codecs don't belong in kernel.
20091129 01:49:25< mathstuf> phonon is there so that you can use the mac or windows stack as well as xine/gstreamer on linux
20091129 01:49:34< mathstuf> otherwise you duplicate handling for all that
20091129 01:49:46< mathstuf> alsa to talk to the hardware and expose what it has
20091129 01:49:51< grzywacz> Maybe there should be xine/gstreamer for windows? ;)
20091129 01:50:16< grzywacz> Anyway, yes, I'm aware of Phonon being *the* way to emit sound for Qt apps...
20091129 01:50:17< mathstuf> pulseaudio to handle talking between different app streams and mixing it into alsa
20091129 01:50:34< grzywacz> mathstuf, pulseaudio adds latency. :X
20091129 01:50:34< mathstuf> nokia has something else in the works for embedded stuff
20091129 01:50:47< mathstuf> QtMultimedia or something
20091129 01:50:51< mathstuf> lower-level
20091129 01:50:53< grzywacz> Interesting.
20091129 01:51:20< grzywacz> Actually, I've always ended up disabling sound deamons in my systems... Be it arts/esd or pulse... :S
20091129 01:51:50< mathstuf> afaik, kde3 would break without arts
20091129 01:52:01< mathstuf> or at least be very quiet
20091129 01:52:59< mathstuf> i haven't noticed latency in a long time
20091129 01:53:02< mathstuf> since F9 or so
20091129 01:53:12< mathstuf> and that's 18 months ago
20091129 01:53:33< mathstuf> well, 12 to 14 since i stopped using F9
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20091129 02:17:14< shadowmaster> mathstuf: QtCurve
20091129 02:17:35< mathstuf> haven't heard of it
20091129 02:17:55< mathstuf> similar to quarticurve?
20091129 02:18:06< shadowmaster> never heard of that :p
20091129 02:18:54< mathstuf> bluecurve port to qt4
20091129 02:19:18< shadowmaster> QtCurve started like a Bluecurve port too IIRC but nowadays it's very customizable. I have used it for long since it provides a consistent look for Gtk2, Qt3 and Qt4 applications
20091129 02:24:03< mathstuf> actually, i have heard of it before, someone was asking us to package it for fedora :)
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20091129 07:00:05< Cyber_Rock> Ipsilon: are you here?
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20091129 10:44:39< Ivanovic> moin
20091129 10:45:08< talsemgeest> Heya Ivanovic :)
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20091129 13:43:59< sakuraischerry> hi
20091129 13:44:32< shadowmaster> hi there
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20091129 13:48:12< Soul_keeper> people leave my scenario after a few turns
20091129 13:48:22< Soul_keeper> I guess it's too big :(
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20091129 13:58:07< sakuraischerry> I want to use to formula. What should I study and see website? 
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20091129 14:12:50< shadowmaster> sakuraischerry: you probably want to start with http://wiki.wesnoth.org/FormulaAI
20091129 14:15:07< sakuraischerry> shadowmaster: yes. However, this website is little infomation.
20091129 14:15:43< shadowmaster> well, that article links to other articles with further information. It's lacking on examples, though.
20091129 14:16:18 * shadowmaster admits not being able to learn formula AI with the wiki either.
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20091129 14:21:34< sakuraischerry> shadowmaster: Where is learn fomula AI ?
20091129 14:22:46< sakuraischerry> shadowmaster: Where is good examples ?
20091129 14:25:04< shadowmaster> no idea :/
20091129 14:25:25< shadowmaster> I don't know of any campaign or add-on using formula AI  for real.
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20091129 14:26:10< Ivanovic> IIRC LoW does use formula stuff in 1.7.x
20091129 14:26:16< Ivanovic> that is, fendrin should know more about it regarding where and how it is used
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20091129 15:21:39< sakuraischerry> shadowmaster: ok. Thank you.
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20091129 19:26:53< Kivi> oh well
20091129 19:27:03< Kivi> these campaigns are too tough :/
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20091129 19:28:58< asdf_> hello guys, i have a question.... how to run this command in command prompt? :export SDL_VIDEO_ALLOW_SCREENSAVER=1
20091129 19:29:22< asdf_> i could run it in "terminal" in OS X, but in windows, i don't know the right command for it
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20091129 19:36:43< asdf_> anyone??
20091129 19:39:37< sakuraischerry> what is get_attacks()?
20091129 19:45:34< Rhonda> asdf_: I think windows does use "set" and %SDL_VIDEO_ALLOW_SCREENSAVER% or such.
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20091129 19:47:19< asdf_> Rhonda: thanks i'll give that a try
20091129 20:05:00< asdf_> Rhonda: thanks that command seemed to be accepted by command prompt, but now i cannot start wesnoth using command prompt :( does anyone know how? i tried to use "start" command, but it does nothing...
20091129 20:05:30< Rhonda> Without start, just wesnoth.exe (with proper path)
20091129 20:06:54< Rhonda> But yes, start wesnoth might be proper. Though, I'm not familiar with windows and please stop hilighting me for windows problems. :)
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20091129 20:12:16< asdf_> Rhonda: thanks for your help, and sorry for specifying you for windows problems! don't worry i still use kubuntu in my virtual machine...
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20091129 20:57:03< SekoIdiootti> I'm going now. Bye, people! xD
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