--- Log opened Fri Dec 04 00:00:03 2009
20091204 00:01:53< Ivanovic> though yeah, we should coordinate which hostel to book
20091204 00:02:03< grzywacz> Ivanovic, we should book the room with you.
20091204 00:02:10< deekay> yes
20091204 00:02:27< grzywacz> And whoever else comes and decides to stay there. :)
20091204 00:02:28< deekay> we will be there around 23 at Friday
20091204 00:02:31< Ivanovic> last year this hostel had beds till rather late, so it should not be too much of a problem
20091204 00:02:45< Ivanovic> wow, yeah, 11pm *is* late
20091204 00:03:00< deekay> sadly
20091204 00:03:04< grzywacz> We arrive in Charleroi at 20:30.
20091204 00:03:18< grzywacz> Add bus and train, and we end up past 11pm. :)
20091204 00:03:25< Ivanovic> jupp
20091204 00:03:28< grzywacz> Ivanovic, 2 years ago I arrived late as well. :)
20091204 00:03:33< Ivanovic> i know
20091204 00:03:37< Ivanovic> and you left *really* early
20091204 00:03:51< grzywacz> I'm going to extend my stay this time.
20091204 00:03:52< grzywacz> ;)
20091204 00:04:21< Ivanovic> we will have to somehow check with the hostel how it is possible for you to check in since they want everyone checking in to fill out some card
20091204 00:04:40< Ivanovic> and since the counter closes around 9 or 10pm this might be "challenging"
20091204 00:04:51< Ivanovic> (yes, the hostel is accassible, you get some card to get in all the time)
20091204 00:05:55< Crab_> Ivanovic: well, for me, it seems, the best way is to travel to dortmund by air, and then, travel via ground transport to brussels (there definitely should be a way to get there via train or a bus - if not by evening of Feb 5, then, at least by morning of Feb 6, that is)
20091204 00:07:16< Crab_> there's alternate ways, such as going to poland via train first, and to brussels from there, but they're longer and not, imo, so interesting
20091204 00:08:02< Ivanovic> Crab_: will have to check things with chrber, should be able to give you some definite answer some time this weekend
20091204 00:08:38< Crab_> Ivanovic: ok. in any case, you'll be able to recommend a suitable train/bus, isn't it ?
20091204 00:09:10< Ivanovic> Crab_: i fear the only way is getting to cologne/aachen by train and then to brussels by tgv
20091204 00:09:20< Ivanovic> (thalys or how they are called)
20091204 00:09:31< Crab_> Ivanovic: well, wizzair can hop me Kiev->Cologne, as well
20091204 00:10:28< Crab_> in that case, I'll arrive at 07:45 @Cologne
20091204 00:10:47< Ivanovic> AM or PM?
20091204 00:11:02< Crab_> AM
20091204 00:11:32< deekay> Crab_: Come to Cracow (poland) and then by easyjet to dortmund? :)
20091204 00:13:06< grzywacz> ;]
20091204 00:13:36< Crab_> deekay: possible, too. but, imo, will take longer
20091204 00:13:41< Ivanovic> Crab_: which cologne airport?
20091204 00:13:52< Ivanovic> "köln-deutz" or "köln-bonn"?
20091204 00:15:18< Crab_> wizzair website is not so specific, but google says köln-bonn
20091204 00:15:45< grzywacz> Crab_, which city do you live in?
20091204 00:15:50< Crab_> grzywacz: Kiev
20091204 00:15:51< grzywacz> (or nearby)
20091204 00:16:01< grzywacz> Crab_, you should be able to take a train to Krakow ;)
20091204 00:16:12< Crab_> grzywacz: yes
20091204 00:17:24< Crab_> grzywacz: '19hours in transit' or so, with ground customs attached.
20091204 00:17:30< Ivanovic> grzywacz, deekay: IIRC wizzair was not much more expensive than easyjet
20091204 00:17:35< grzywacz> Crab_, heh, true.
20091204 00:19:15< Ivanovic> Crab_: from cgn (the airport cologne/bonn) it should be possible to get over to brussels using public transport in some 4h for some 40€
20091204 00:19:32< Crab_> Ivanovic: that's very good 
20091204 00:20:18< Crab_> Ivanovic: so, I think that I should not bother you wrt car transport and pick this as my main route
20091204 00:20:43< Ivanovic> Crab_: no idea regarding the way back
20091204 00:21:01< Crab_> Ivanovic: why not 'same way' ? shouldn't it be similar ?
20091204 00:22:19< Ivanovic> no idea...
20091204 00:22:43< Ivanovic> in general i don't trust "deutsche bahn" too much since i use them too often...
20091204 00:22:45< Ivanovic> ;)
20091204 00:24:05< Crab_> heh
20091204 00:24:20< Ivanovic> the track from cologne airport over to brussels central (for 38.40€) is from the airport to cologne central, from there to aachen central, from there to Liège-Guillemins and from there finally to Bruxelles-Central 
20091204 00:24:52< Ivanovic> have a look at http://bahn.de to search for this stuff
20091204 00:25:14< Crab_> ok, thanks
20091204 00:25:29< Ivanovic> they probably got some international version, too, not sure though
20091204 00:25:53< grzywacz> Crab_, Kiev -> Warsaw -> meet with us -> Charleroi?
20091204 00:25:56< grzywacz> (Wizzair)
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20091204 00:26:57< grzywacz> lol ^
20091204 00:28:37< grzywacz> Probably not worth the money tho.
20091204 00:28:57< Crab_> grzywacz: hard to find a good way to do the first hop ..
20091204 00:29:15< Crab_> grzywacz: Kiev -> Cologne at ~20-30 EUR is much prettier :)
20091204 00:29:35< grzywacz> :->
20091204 00:30:05< Crab_> but I need to book well in advance
20091204 00:31:13< grzywacz> I'm doing it tomorrow, most likely.
20091204 00:31:16< Ivanovic> Crab_: like i said, should be able to tell you this WE how things look on my side
20091204 00:31:54< Ivanovic> that is: yeah, the cologne way for the way to brussels sounds fine though the time for getting up is really *early*, but it would result in being "early" in brussels
20091204 00:32:13< Crab_> Ivanovic: that's not a problem - it should be interesting for me to see the city
20091204 00:32:28< Ivanovic> the problem is for me to be at about 8am in cologne
20091204 00:32:30< Ivanovic> ;)
20091204 00:33:02< Ivanovic> (especially considering that there are/tend to be *many* traffic jams around cologne)
20091204 00:33:20< Crab_> Ivanovic: well, if I go through Cologne, then it means I'll use the train to get to Brussels.
20091204 00:33:55< Crab_> Ivanovic: otherwise (e.g. if I'm going with you), then it is probably more advantageous to book a flight to Dortmund, isn't it ?
20091204 00:34:04< Ivanovic> Crab_: no need to spend 40€ for the trainride if there is a seat free in my car
20091204 00:34:12< Crab_> Ivanovic: ok, then I'll wait till monday. Will also inquire about the visa (as I need a visa to travel to EU)
20091204 00:34:32< Ivanovic> the "problem" with dortmund would be that the plane will arrive there somthing like 3pm
20091204 00:34:46< Ivanovic> the drive to brussels takes another 3h plus 1h to get to the hostel
20091204 00:35:00< Ivanovic> so we got to find someone who will be at the hostel a "lot" earlier
20091204 00:35:00< Crab_> so, 3+3+1+1extra=8PM
20091204 00:35:45< Ivanovic> no idea if there is a difference in flight costs if you have one trip to cologne and the way back from dortmund
20091204 00:36:57< Crab_> Ivanovic: well, that is settled on date-to-date basic. the difference will be less than 40EUR anyway.
20091204 00:37:14< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20091204 00:37:37< Ivanovic> i'd guess that it will be some friday to monday thing
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20091204 00:41:24< Crab_> Ivanovic: heh, return flight on 08 feb from Dortmund is cheaper than return flight on 08 feb from Cologne :)
20091204 00:41:32< Ivanovic> :)
20091204 00:46:44< Crab_> Ivanovic: good :) thanks.
20091204 00:47:07< Ivanovic> we should be able to solve this over the weekend, maybe already on saturday
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20091204 02:43:35< Ken_Oh> heh, didn't see that yesterday. living villages is pretty much poorly done. i am, however, going to make something very much like it for Wesband
20091204 02:45:54< shadowmaster> there are villages that walk? ;)
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20091204 02:47:19< Ken_Oh> hah
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20091204 03:15:20< shadowmaster> is it legal to change a core unit type's movement points at this moment?
20091204 03:15:27< shadowmaster> s/legal/allowed/
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20091204 06:23:56< CIA-62> espreon * r40051 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added the Spanish version of the TRoW logo.
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20091204 06:29:58< CIA-62> espreon * r40052 /branches/resources/image-localization/es/trow-logo.xcf: Added the source file for the Spanish TRoW logo.
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20091204 06:40:58< CIA-62> alink * r40053 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): 
20091204 06:40:58< CIA-62> Cache the parsing of global terrain rules during same campaign/MP.
20091204 06:40:58< CIA-62> This shorten the "Initializing display" phase (except the first, of course).
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20091204 06:41:48< alink> ^very bad for reloader addict :-)
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20091204 07:01:16< CIA-62> alink * r40054 /trunk/src/ (builder.cpp builder.hpp): 
20091204 07:01:16< CIA-62> Stop uselessly storing precedence into each rule
20091204 07:01:16< CIA-62> (already stored in the main containing structure)
20091204 07:03:07< alink> grbmbmm stupid feature not even used in mainline (or UMC probably), which force to use multimap with 2000 entries in the same lonely key.
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20091204 08:06:47< CIA-62> alink * r40055 /trunk/src/builder.cpp: use lexical_cast_default
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20091204 10:54:57< CIA-62> caslav_ilic * r40056 /trunk/doc/manual/images/it/game-screen-1.5.7.jpg: Updated localized images for Italian.
20091204 11:06:22< Ivanovic> moin
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20091204 14:47:03< esr> Ivanovic: I can no longdr build Wesnoth.  It's acquired a dependency on libboost-iostreams that I can't sort out.
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20091204 14:48:17< Ivanovic> ???
20091204 14:48:21< Ivanovic> how can that be?
20091204 14:48:27< Ivanovic> no dep was changed lately IIRC
20091204 14:51:28< esr> It says: "Checking for Boost iostreams library version >= 1.34.1... no"
20091204 14:51:40< esr> This is on Ubuntu 9.10.
20091204 14:53:37< esr> I tried installing thge latest version of libboost0iostreams, I tried --config=force.  No luck.
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20091204 14:56:03< loonycyborg> What's in config.log?
20091204 14:56:53< loonycyborg> build/config.log that is
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20091204 14:59:47< loonycyborg> esr: ^^
20091204 15:01:16< esr> I'll pastebin it.
20091204 15:04:58< Ivanovic> esr: you should not install libboost-iostreams1.34.1
20091204 15:05:05< Ivanovic> better install libboost-iostreams-dev
20091204 15:05:17< Ivanovic> that should be based on 1.38.1
20091204 15:05:23< Ivanovic> cf http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libboost-iostreams&searchon=names&suite=karmic&section=all
20091204 15:05:23< esr> Ah,
20091204 15:05:53< Ivanovic> though in general the 1.34.1 package *should* be fine IIRC
20091204 15:06:02< loonycyborg> Indeed. You should always use -dev packages if you want to compile against them.
20091204 15:06:20< Ivanovic> ah, wait, in general we are also at 1.35.0 as min dep
20091204 15:06:30< esr> I'de forgotten about the -dev requirement.  My error.
20091204 15:06:35< Ivanovic> cf INSTALL
20091204 15:06:49< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: maybe you need to bump the version in the scons recipe, too
20091204 15:07:09< loonycyborg> I did.
20091204 15:07:45< loonycyborg> But the server could be built with 1.34 last time I checked..
20091204 15:08:05< loonycyborg> >=1.35 applies only to client.
20091204 15:10:04< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20091204 15:11:48< esr> Good, that seems to have solved the problem.
20091204 15:12:43< esr> I resolved one bug this morning, but the rest of the list has me prretty much stopped.
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20091204 15:32:55< CIA-62> loonycyborg * r40057 /trunk/src/tests/utils/fake_display.cpp: Fixed compile errors when compiling unit tests.
20091204 15:44:02< CIA-62> ivanovic * r40058 /trunk/po/wesnoth-units/ru.po: updated Russian translation
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20091204 19:10:14< fendrin> Crab_: Do you know that current trunk still spits out some log messages from the ai in low scenario 14?
20091204 19:10:51< fendrin> They sound like error messages.
20091204 19:11:00< Crab_> fendrin: can you pastebin one or two ?
20091204 19:11:14< Crab_> fendrin: I'll take a look
20091204 19:11:19< fendrin> Crab_: Give me some time I have to start from scratch.
20091204 19:11:23< Crab_> thanks
20091204 19:12:58< fendrin> do I need to be in debug mode to see the output?
20091204 19:13:18< Crab_> if those are 'error' messages, then the answer is 'no'
20091204 19:13:48< Crab_> some (minor) amount of extra debugging works only in debug mode (in village grabbing code, afair)
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20091204 19:20:53< fendrin> Crab_: many many many many many many times 20091204 19:15:24 error engine: failed to auto-store $unit at (-999,-999)
20091204 19:21:11< fendrin> Crab_: one time 
20091204 19:21:13< fendrin> 20091204 19:16:01 error ai/actions: Error #2007 in full move by side 11 from location 1,40 to location 1,39
20091204 19:21:14< fendrin> 20091204 19:16:01 error ai/general: moving leader after recruit failed
20091204 19:21:16< fendrin> 20091204 19:16:02 error ai/actions: Error #2007 in full move by side 12 from location 1,45 to location 1,44
20091204 19:21:17< fendrin> 20091204 19:16:02 error ai/general: moving leader after recruit failed
20091204 19:21:30< fendrin> sory for pasting in irc, I was too lazy for 4 lines.
20091204 19:21:30< Crab_> fendrin: what release is this ?
20091204 19:22:01< Crab_> after r40044 ?
20091204 19:22:07< fendrin> current trunk. 40047
20091204 19:22:37< Crab_> ok. I'll deal with those 'error ai/...' messages.
20091204 19:22:40< fendrin> Not exactly trunk.
20091204 19:23:04< Crab_> ' error engine: failed to auto-store $unit at (-999,-999) ' is not from ai - it is something from wml variable handling, which is less known to me.
20091204 19:23:23< Crab_> I'll take a look, though...
20091204 19:23:51< fendrin> Crab_: I am not sure if they are grave. The scenario plays fine. I havent seen them moving around like before. The leaders just stay in the keep.
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20091204 19:24:37< mordante> servus
20091204 19:24:39< Crab_> fendrin: this error message is quite harmless in most cases, since 'moving leader after recruit' is not very important part of the ai, and can safely fail
20091204 19:24:41< Crab_> hi, mordante
20091204 19:24:53< mordante> hi Crab_ 
20091204 19:25:28< Crab_> fendrin: I'll fix it, though.
20091204 19:27:03< fendrin> Crab_: Do you have an ai feature to test that is not coded in wml yet? Looks like 1.8 still takes some time and I have time before xmas. We could still introduce some ai testcases to LoW as long as we don't need strings.
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20091204 19:29:20< Crab_> fendrin: I want finish some patches first, and then go towards using RCA ai as default, and then, do an additional 'polishing' phase in all those scenarios, esp. LoW 14
20091204 19:30:10< fendrin> RCA?
20091204 19:31:00< fendrin> Crab_: Do you need assistance? I even feel good about coding c++ on xmas.
20091204 19:32:56< Crab_> RCA ai - ai which is based on default ai and works by allowing the scenario creator to specify an ai by registering candidate actions, which have a form "if condition A then we can do B and it has a score S"
20091204 19:33:08< Crab_> atm, it is used in LoW 1 - LoW 7
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20091204 19:33:49< fendrin> Crab_: Oh, haven't noticed. When did you activate it?
20091204 19:35:47< Crab_> somewhere around r39794, r39692 - 3-4 weeks ago.
20091204 19:36:19< fendrin> Okay, my last testplay may have missed that.
20091204 19:36:31< fendrin> Anything special I should have noticed?
20091204 19:37:36< Crab_> somewhat less ai-related bugs, better unit movement on large maps, somewhat less suicidal tendencies
20091204 19:38:10< fendrin> The ai was strong in general, but my current play is at easy.
20091204 19:38:18< Crab_> I also tinkered with recruit lists a bit in LoW 1, with purpose of making Wrulf somewhat harder to kill
20091204 19:42:46< Crab_> about c++ coding - well, a good thing to add more variety to allowed ai goals. for example, un-break 'protect location' or 'protect leader' goals, or implement something from http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=379807#p379807
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20091204 19:44:38< fendrin> protect location is broken?
20091204 19:47:48< Crab_> it is somewhat working in old default ai, and is not used by rca ai
20091204 19:48:24< Crab_> also, it has a bad design in it - it works by 'reacting' to threats near location
20091204 19:48:58< fendrin> where is the part of the a c++ code I need to study?
20091204 19:48:59< Crab_> so, it's no easy way to use WML to tell the ai 'hey, mass units near hexes matching this SLF'
20091204 19:50:40< Crab_> depends on what you want to do 1) port existing 'protect_location' goal to new ai      2) implement a new goal 'mass units near hexes matching this SLF'.   (2) seems more useful to me
20091204 19:51:06< fendrin> I don't understand 2)
20091204 19:51:12< fendrin> Please explain in more detail.
20091204 19:51:57< fendrin> You want an ai subtag that works like [concentrate_units] SUF ?
20091204 19:52:11< Crab_> right now, there's is now way to tell the ai "please consider moving available units to this location"
20091204 19:52:49< fendrin> [concentrate_units] SUF and SLF?
20091204 19:52:55< Crab_> if such functionality is added, it would allow to use strategies like 'turns 1-5: mass units on X,Y; turns 6-x - target enemy leader'
20091204 19:52:56< Crab_> SLF
20091204 19:53:30< fendrin> I would like to have both. Like send more archers to the wood in the north.
20091204 19:53:40< Crab_> ah, got it
20091204 19:53:44< Crab_> yes, your idea is nice
20091204 19:54:00< Crab_> (i hasn't understood SUF's purpose in that context)
20091204 19:54:12< Crab_> and, it should be a type of [goal] tag
20091204 19:54:12< fendrin> Will that be c++ or formula ai work?
20091204 19:54:20< Crab_> c++
20091204 19:54:42< Crab_> 'making it work' involves several tasks:
20091204 19:54:56< fendrin> what is with the current goal tag? Is it broken? As far as I now one can specify locations in it.
20091204 19:55:36< Crab_> fendrin: it is not broken, only used slightly wrong from c++
20091204 19:55:57< Crab_> let me explain
20091204 19:56:54< Crab_> [goal] tags are designed to hold information about various types of ai goals. 
20091204 19:57:15< Crab_> exactly as [stage] tags are designed to hold certain information about various parts of ai turn
20091204 19:57:59< Crab_> default type of goal (which is used if you just 'specify locations in it.') is a 'kill this enemy or protect this unit' goal
20091204 20:01:09< Crab_> we need to 1) add a new type of goal, with syntax like http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m7c4200b
20091204 20:02:10< fendrin> Crab_: No problem adding new wml tags is a piece of cake.
20091204 20:02:52< Crab_> 2) make sure that that having goals of this type results in move_to_targets_phase candidate action (located src/ai/testing/ca_default_move_to_targets.cpp , which can be easily forked ) dispatching right units in the right direction
20091204 20:04:14< Crab_> the good news is that ai already 'can sit around a specific hex and do nothing else with those units until provoked' :)
20091204 20:05:39< Crab_> it does that by dispathing units to targets such as villages/locations - when some of the locations happen to be empty
20091204 20:05:43< Crab_> so, it is enough to call     default_ai_context::add_target() with the right parameters in the right place to add some new targets to the ai
20091204 20:06:22< Crab_> fendrin: please see src/ai/default/contexts.cpp:312
20091204 20:06:36< Crab_> it is the code which finds targets for current turn
20091204 20:08:10< Crab_> right now, it does  'for each unit  ( line 316 ), for each goal (line 328) , if unit matches goal, add this unit as explicit target'
20091204 20:09:26< fendrin> Crab_: The wolf riders in LoW16 don't attack when they ambush. Instead the player is immedetely on turn to move. 
20091204 20:10:21< Crab_> fendrin: wrt LoW 16 - ok, noted
20091204 20:11:53< Crab_> that code which finds targets needs a small cleanup.
20091204 20:13:50< Crab_> the process goes as follows: 1) parsing [goal]s should result in different c++ objects being created  2) those c++ objects should for a list of 'goals'  3) those goals should act as factories for 'targets' 
20091204 20:13:50< Crab_>  4) the code in default_ai_context_impl::find_targets should use those goals to get a list of different types of targets 5) the code in move_and_targeting phase - say, src/ai/testing/ca_default_move_to_targets.cpp, should use those targets to order units around
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20091204 20:15:17< Crab_> fendrin: and, to implement your idea, 'target' needs to be modified to include a SUF -which will be used in move_and_targeting phase to allow only 'right'  units to pursue right targets
20091204 20:16:07< Crab_> fendrin: note that this will implement both 'send more archers to the wood in the north' and ''send more archers to kill side 1 grunts' 
20091204 20:17:46< Crab_> fendrin: it will probably be best if I do a small cleanup this weekend, to prepare the code for modification and highlight the places where new logic is needed
20091204 20:18:41< Crab_> what do you think ?
20091204 20:19:05< fendrin> yes, do that.
20091204 20:20:18< Crab_> fendrin: is the actual strategy clear ? [goal] tags should give us c++ objects which will analyze the map and put various 'markers' on it, then, movement phase(s) will use those markers to make decisions where to move.
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20091204 20:23:21< Crab_> fendrin: so, somewhen in 1.9, portion of ai config might look like http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m3e252d61
20091204 20:25:03< fendrin> Crab_: I see. Let me investigate the current code and wait for your cleanup.
20091204 20:25:11< Crab_> ok
20091204 20:26:12< Crab_> my cleanup will change 'for each unit  for each goal , if unit matches goal, add this unit as explicit target' to      'for each goal [which is treated as a black-box], get a list of various targets from it'
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20091204 20:41:26< Crab_> fendrin: also note ai_default::find_threats in src/ai/default/ai.cpp - it contains code that should be strategically copypasted (with minor changes) in order to unbreak protect_location and protect_leader in new ai.
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20091204 21:39:27< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: is it possible to change movement points of core units atm?
20091204 21:40:53< shadowmaster> this is a general question and I do not plan to step into that territory.
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20091204 21:43:56< shadowmaster> zookeeper: please close any associated reports when moving spam posts to the hidden forum
20091204 21:49:23< zookeeper> right
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20091204 21:55:20< shadowmaster> and what should I do with this? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=27992&p=395735#p395735 Are we going to allow iPhone support threads in TS?
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20091204 22:10:11< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=27984 yet another one
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20091204 22:16:21< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: i'd guess that it is still allowed to change movement points
20091204 22:16:38< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: though i'd really discourage it since it would break mp compatibility which is unwanted
20091204 22:16:51< Ivanovic> so a *good* reason would be needed for units that are available in MP
20091204 22:17:30< shadowmaster> fendrin: what was the good reason for changing the Dwarvish Scout's line MPs? :P
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20091204 22:20:41< fendrin> shadowmaster: The dwarf was faster in woods than the elvish fighter line.
20091204 22:20:41< wesbot> fendrin: Sometimes we are fast
20091204 22:21:17< Blarumyrran> wesbot is a dwarf.
20091204 22:21:22< fendrin> shadowmaster: I thought you were all for draining his speed a bit.
20091204 22:21:34< shadowmaster> I said that long before the feature freeze ;)
20091204 22:21:57< shadowmaster> it's a good reason anyway, it's just missing from the commit message
20091204 22:22:11< fendrin> shadowmaster: no problem, I'll add it.
20091204 22:22:22< shadowmaster> no, you can't.
20091204 22:22:42< shadowmaster> the commit is already done :P
20091204 22:22:55< fendrin> Thanks :-)
20091204 22:24:07 * shadowmaster pokes Ivanovic with a wooden iPhone
20091204 22:25:05 * Ivanovic gets the torch out!
20091204 22:25:19< shadowmaster> yeah, what do you think about those threads?
20091204 22:25:44< Ivanovic> burn em!
20091204 22:25:46< Ivanovic> ;)
20091204 22:26:23< Ivanovic> yes, those "i have a problem with ABC" should always go into tech support
20091204 22:26:35< Ivanovic> no matter if iphone, osx, windows, linux, jesus or whatever OS
20091204 22:27:20< shadowmaster> mmm, okay, but it should be made clear that the mainline developers are not going to be of much help there
20091204 22:27:28< fendrin> good idea. A operating system called jesus.
20091204 22:27:50< Ivanovic> fendrin: you know that it will crash to save us all!
20091204 22:27:50< shadowmaster> unless you buy us iPhones and whatever hardware and software is required to develop software on them.
20091204 22:27:51< Ivanovic> ^^
20091204 22:28:42< shadowmaster> actually it's not such a bad idea, buy me an iPhone ;)
20091204 22:28:54< fendrin> shadowmaster: that is what virtualization was invented fore.
20091204 22:29:09< fendrin> shadowmaster: You don't code on an iphone. 
20091204 22:29:29< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: just because someone postes in tech support does not mean that core developers will answer and tell the user how to get things fixed
20091204 22:29:32< Ivanovic> ;)
20091204 22:30:14< fendrin> Ivanovic: There should be a solution that helps the developer of the iphone port to find the messages easily. Maybe we consider a subforum or something similar.
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20091204 22:31:13< Ivanovic> fendrin: considering how often that user is in the forums i'd guess that he uses stuff like "view unread posts"
20091204 22:31:28< shadowmaster> grrr, view unread posts.
20091204 22:31:40< Ivanovic> since that does not differ between subforums it is enough if the topic just includes "iphone"
20091204 22:31:42< Ivanovic> ;)
20091204 22:32:25< shadowmaster> w00t, it's validated for phpBB 3.0.6 now!
20091204 22:32:41< Ivanovic> cool!
20091204 22:34:44< fendrin> shadowmaster: Do you think west will commit or command to commit this time?
20091204 22:36:42< shadowmaster> commit what?
20091204 22:36:52< fendrin> music, what else?
20091204 22:37:04< shadowmaster> yeah, but what music?
20091204 22:37:49< fendrin> shadowmaster: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27953
20091204 22:38:35< fendrin> Looks the most finished to me, some other songs may make it to 1.8 as well.
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20091204 22:39:53< shadowmaster> as usual, I'd wait for West response... also,, I'm not sure that guy feels well about GPLing music.
20091204 22:40:14< shadowmaster> e.g. little rant in the iPhone thread.
20091204 22:40:55< fendrin> where?
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20091204 22:41:24< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=395545#p395545 (and please do note that that part of the discussion is over)
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20091204 22:44:12< fendrin> shadowmaster: I don't think he is unhappy with the GPL. He just didn't understand that the iphone port stays free and that charging for free software (linux distributions for example) is a normal thing. 
20091204 22:44:55< shadowmaster> well, still I'll want to have a little talk with them before committing.
20091204 22:47:13< fendrin> shadowmaster: sure, I just want to know that someone is behind the music. Can't wait to inlcude new songs to LoW.
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20091204 23:11:06< alink> esr: I think you can close some bugs after the 1.7.9 release
20091204 23:11:28< alink> or i can do it myself, but i know you like closing bugs ;-p
20091204 23:11:40< esr> Oh, have we just shipped?
20091204 23:11:56< alink> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27934
20091204 23:12:03< esr> Ah.
20091204 23:12:41< esr> You can do it this time.  I did a major release of my own today -- GPSD -- and am still cleaning up.
20091204 23:13:17< alink> ok, time to improve my gna-UI-skill :)
20091204 23:13:54< esr> Do let me know how many you close, though.
20091204 23:14:05< esr> That number is always interesting.
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20091204 23:15:26< wesbot> Sapient: Sorry, I don't know of patterson.
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20091204 23:18:01< shadowmaster> sapient: never seen him around here.
20091204 23:18:38< Sapient> he's been in here before... usually just pops in for a second or two
20091204 23:27:39< alink> esr: done, 25 fixed closed
20091204 23:28:15< alink> and 5 OSX/SDL marked as fixed but seems to be on some sort of "ready for test" state, so i let crismon_penguin decide when close them
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