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20091208 00:26:27< Turuk> wesbot: seen Sirp
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20091208 00:27:09< shadowmaster> /whois Sirp
20091208 00:27:23< shadowmaster> he's just hiding ;)
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20091208 00:32:19< Turuk> Booo!
20091208 00:32:30< Turuk> shadowmaster, I'm back 2 days and I have a good story for you
20091208 00:32:52< shadowmaster> I want to hear
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20091208 02:24:38< Sapient> this IPS guy is in some ways funnier than Higher Game
20091208 02:25:35< Sapient> I don't understand why so many people write "hability" though... it's not like the 'h' key is anywhere near the 'a' key
20091208 02:26:55< shadowmaster> sounds like a spanish artifact
20091208 02:27:19 * shadowmaster tries to remember what countries use the 200.*.*.* range
20091208 02:28:16< Sapient> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/search.php?keywords=hability+habilities&terms=any
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20091208 02:30:17< Sapient> surprisingly, though, "campaing" is even more popular misspelling (397 matches)
20091208 02:31:20< Turuk> my favorite is his signature
20091208 02:31:23< Sapient> Maybe I should make a campaing about that ;)
20091208 02:31:40< Turuk> Precision is spelled wrong
20091208 02:31:58< Turuk> Irony that he can't be precise about the right letters he is hitting
20091208 02:32:02< Sapient> Turuk: yeah, the irony was not lost on me ;)
20091208 02:32:15< Turuk> But the crowning irony is that intelligence is spelled wrong ;)
20091208 02:33:02< shadowmaster> signature is too long can I nuke it?
20091208 02:33:03< shadowmaster> ;)
20091208 02:33:31< Turuk> Haha, I would leave it just for the fact that it warns people on just how seriously to take him ;)
20091208 02:34:51< Sapient> altough this does make me wonder how much of an idiot I sound like when I use Spanish, lol
20091208 02:35:23< Turuk> Eh, unless you were highly fluent, I imagine anyone always sounds a bit silly.  But at least that's from a lack of fluency, not a lack of intelligence :P
20091208 02:35:47< Sapient> anyways, cya later
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20091208 02:37:38< shadowmaster> I still need to see one single Spanish-speaking person who is a good netizen.
20091208 02:38:12< shadowmaster> oh. um. well, isaac, fmuñoz... oky, I take it back.
20091208 02:39:05< shadowmaster> I still need to see one single Spanish-speaking normal forumer who doesn't know anything about programming and is a good netizen.
20091208 02:39:52< shadowmaster> Turuk: what'cha think, the U.S.A.'s former president has joined the forums!
20091208 02:41:11< Turuk> I know, amazing isn't it?
20091208 02:41:20< Turuk> I think IPS and I are going to get along just fine by the way
20091208 02:41:29< shadowmaster> now I need to find a good excuse to move Photos to OT and sticky it.
20091208 02:41:41< shadowmaster> so attachments cannot be used, etc.
20091208 02:42:55< Turuk> Okay, I understand he's a bad English "talker"
20091208 02:43:57< Turuk> shadowmaster: even if you move it, people will just find another way to put up pictures like that. :P
20091208 02:44:28< shadowmaster> no, I'm just a bit annoyed at the waste of disk space.
20091208 02:45:21< shadowmaster> granted, there are still more than 100 GB available, but it still annoys me for some reason.
20091208 02:46:52< Turuk> Hmm, well, dunno what to tell you.  It serves little purpose anymore except every month or so when someone puts up a picture
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20091208 10:25:10< Ivanovic> moin
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20091208 10:54:32< esr> zookeeper: Ping?
20091208 10:56:19< esr> shadowmaster: ping?
20091208 10:56:29< zookeeper> pong?
20091208 10:58:11< esr> zookeeper: With 1.9 coming up, a question I am beginning to wonder about is this - what is next in the queue to be mainlined?  Is there anything in UMC that seems conspicuous to you?
20091208 11:02:01< esr> I'm ready to do my producer thing on another campaign, I think.
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20091208 11:09:33< zookeeper> esr, well, assuming that IftU is out of the question for one reason or another (i always tend to consider it a special case), then i guess dead water is the most polished and interesting UMC campaign atm.
20091208 11:09:55< zookeeper> i haven't tried any of the really new ones, but as usual i don't expect there to be any gems there
20091208 11:11:52< zookeeper> aside from SP campaigns, maybe we should replace ANL with some other MP scenario/campaign in 1.9...
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20091208 11:36:25< esr> I'm going to look at IftU, for sure.
20091208 11:36:52< esr> It would be a clear pick if not for the length.
20091208 11:39:21< esr> I didn't see Dead Water in ersnoth-umc
20091208 12:07:13< fendrin> esr, zookeeper: Let's pick a drake campaign.
20091208 12:07:45< zookeeper> fendrin, are there any good ones? FtF isn't very convincing plot- and setting-wise IMO
20091208 12:13:07< fendrin> zookeeper: No and dead water seems fine. It's my fist look on the campaign. I haven't seen a good drake campaign.
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20091208 12:20:53< esr> zookeeper, fendrin: I'm playing Deasd Water now.  First scenario seems promising.   
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20091208 12:22:04< esr> It might be just what I'm looking for -- a decent small campaign to lift while IftU/TSL mature a bit more.
20091208 12:23:05< zookeeper> yeah, it's pretty nice, shortish and polished with quite a lot of variety.
20091208 12:23:35< zookeeper> and beetlenaut is around and an easy person to work with
20091208 12:23:46< zookeeper> so dead water would be my suggestion
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20091208 12:26:04< esr> Needs some prose polish, but I could do that in my sleep.
20091208 12:27:12< esr> I think we have a winner here.  This isn't even going to be a lot of work - certainly less than DM was.
20091208 12:28:45< zookeeper> the biggest thing to improve would IMO be the last scenario, which i find pretty boring, but other than that it's a good one.
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20091208 12:36:25< fendrin> A mermen civillian portrait is needed.
20091208 12:41:58< esr> Noted.
20091208 12:42:59< esr> Given the amount of scenario reqwrite we had to do on DM, redoing one scenario  doesn't scare me.
20091208 12:43:43< esr> fendrin: Speaking of whuch, DM has a similar problem we should try to fix.  The last scenario is somewhat anticlimactic.
20091208 12:45:33< esr> Back in a bit.  I need to restart my browser.
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20091208 12:51:14< zookeeper> the last DM scenario is _very_ anticlimactic. i didn't even realize that might be the end of the campaign.
20091208 12:55:15< loonycyborg> What's anticlimatic about it?
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20091208 13:01:56< zookeeper> loonycyborg, the fact that after beating the big bad guy, you're pretty much thrown into two extra scenarios where you just get back the book by finding and beating what's essentially just a random lich
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20091208 13:08:30< loonycyborg> zookeeper: What? You expect *every* campaign to be ended with a battle against an overpowered custom unit? :P
20091208 13:09:27< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: nah, something special like eg in DiD
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20091208 13:11:00< loonycyborg> IMO DID's ending is kinda anvilicious.
20091208 13:11:48< Ivanovic> but it clearly *is* special
20091208 13:11:51< Ivanovic> ;)
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20091208 13:13:37< fendrin> how can I get an istream into a string?
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20091208 13:28:13< zookeeper> loonycyborg, no, but i expect it to be rather well-connected to the rest of the campaign
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20091208 13:40:21< zookeeper> for example, a better-connected ending to DM might be that after beating sagus the book sucks you into the land of the dead again where you get to have another last fight against iliah-malal or something like that. insert fluff explanation.
20091208 13:41:02< zookeeper> (the fluff explanation would be easier if iliah-malah had actually had the book at some point)
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20091208 18:33:36< Aethaeryn> Website problems?
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20091208 19:02:42< mordante> servus
20091208 19:05:51< mordante> fendrin, solved your std::istring problem?
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20091208 19:49:13< fendrin> mordante: Yes I did, thanks anyway :-)
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20091208 19:54:21< fendrin> mordante: but there is another issue with which I need your help.
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20091208 20:00:54< Sapient> zookeeper: have you tried A Rough Life ?
20091208 20:01:53< Sapient> I wasn't very impressed by Dead Water, but then again I didn't play far into it
20091208 20:03:37< Soliton> i think dead water was pretty nice and seemed rather polished.
20091208 20:03:58< Soliton> there is also the ooze mini campaign.
20091208 20:06:17< Sapient> ha, yeah I loved that one
20091208 20:06:35< Sapient> although it is very different from a typical campaign
20091208 20:07:21< Soliton> very different is a big plus at the amount of content we have by now IMO.
20091208 20:08:23< Soliton> which is why a merman campaign like dead water is nice in that respect, too.
20091208 20:08:26< Sapient> true, well I'd vote for it just on the fun factor
20091208 20:08:37< Sapient> ooze that is
20091208 20:12:25< Sapient> I may give dead water another try to see the later levels
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20091208 20:13:22< mordante> fendrin, yes
20091208 20:13:56< zookeeper> eh, yeah, i've tried a rough life a couple of times. it's good, but the setting seemed very vague for one. i've never finished it though.
20091208 20:14:21< zookeeper> ooze is...interesting and funny too, but i'm not sure if it's a bit too different :P
20091208 20:15:58< fendrin> mordante: My code compiles but has a linking error. I suspect that imports for the constructors have to be in the hpp file even if the custructor is coded in the cpp. Is that right?
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20091208 20:17:54< [Relic]> Hello :)
20091208 20:17:58< mordante> linking errors most of the time mean a .cpp file not compiled or a missing library
20091208 20:18:02< mordante> hi [Relic] 
20091208 20:18:12< mordante> fendrin, can you pastebin your error?
20091208 20:18:20< [Relic]> :)
20091208 20:18:42< fendrin> mordante: yes
20091208 20:20:55< fendrin> mordante: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d30c7705a
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20091208 20:23:27< mordante> I assume the wml::node stuff is in the files imported from frogatto, these files are in the wesnoth main target and so libwesnoth-core can't "find" them
20091208 20:23:37< mordante> best move those files to wesnoth-core as well
20091208 20:24:42< fendrin> mordante: You speak about the location in the filesystem tree?
20091208 20:25:08< mordante> no about the location in CMakeList.txt
20091208 20:26:31< fendrin> mordante: do I need to register the hpp files somewhere in CMakeList.txt as well?
20091208 20:26:43< mordante> no not needed
20091208 20:26:58< fendrin> the cpp files are all inside set(wesnoth-main_SRC registered.
20091208 20:27:18< mordante> yes that _is_ the problem
20091208 20:28:09< mordante> config.cpp is in libwesnoth-core_STAT_SRC so can't use the code in wml/wml_node.cpp
20091208 20:28:28< mordante> to fix it wml/wml_node.cpp also needs to be in libwesnoth-core_STAT_SRC
20091208 20:28:55< mordante> once you do that config.cpp can use that file and the code in wesnoth-main_SRC can also use that code
20091208 20:30:51< fendrin> mordante: it needs to be in both places?
20091208 20:31:12< mordante> no only at libwesnoth-core_STAT_SRC
20091208 20:31:38< mordante> libwesnoth-core_STAT_SRC is a static library with some common code for the servers, game and unit test
20091208 20:32:01< mordante> in order to avoid compiling that code four times it's inside a library
20091208 20:33:16< fendrin> mordante: That did it. Great, thanks :-)
20091208 20:33:52< mordante> no problem
20091208 20:34:00< fendrin> mordante: And it's using the new frogatto parser now. Mandatory WML child missing yet untested for. Please report.
20091208 20:34:02< fendrin> :-)
20091208 20:34:50< mordante> great that can remove a lot of VALIDATE macros in the source :-)
20091208 20:36:03< fendrin> mordante: Hmmm, It's only a prototype hack. I first parse everything in a node (Frogatto's config) and then I create a new wesnoth config. I don't believe that this a good aproach memory wise.
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20091208 20:37:37< mordante> good enough for a prototype ;-)
20091208 20:40:53 * shadowmaster wants to read the whole story.
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20091208 21:53:01< CIA-12> silene * r40173 /trunk/src/playcampaign.cpp: Added small hack to ease loading of middle-of-scenario 1.6 savefiles. To be removed for 1.10.
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20091208 23:27:42< Ivanovic> re
20091208 23:27:53< Ivanovic> esr: so what is the current status of the 1.8 announcement?
20091208 23:28:00< Ivanovic> is it really done or is it still WIP?
20091208 23:28:06< Ivanovic> (somehow i think it feels "lacking")
20091208 23:28:38 * shadowmaster agrees
20091208 23:30:08< Ivanovic> 1) feels "boring"
20091208 23:30:34< Ivanovic> 2) feels "incomplete" (as in: "that is everything?!?")
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20091208 23:32:55< Ivanovic> current version: http://www.wesnoth.org/start/1.8/
20091208 23:33:03< Ivanovic> previous version: http://www.wesnoth.org/start/1.6/
20091208 23:33:25< Ivanovic> (and no, i don't think that christmas is realistic for 1.8 final!)
20091208 23:34:03< stikonas> why 1.8 announcement talks about editor refactoring in gsoc? It was done last year and there is no need to speak about past gsoc projects.
20091208 23:34:18< stikonas> better tell about gsoc 2009
20091208 23:37:25< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: It looks like 1 release/year shedule won't be replaced by 1 release/half year after all :P
20091208 23:37:45< esr> What should I say about GSOC 2009?
20091208 23:38:22< stikonas> esr: maybe about further improcements to AI (http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2009/wesnoth)
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20091208 23:40:20< CIA-12> ivanovic * r40174 /website/start/1.8/ (53 files in 2 dirs): 
20091208 23:40:20< CIA-12> updated index file
20091208 23:40:20< CIA-12> regenerate po files
20091208 23:40:20< CIA-12> updated Latvian translation
20091208 23:40:52< Ivanovic> esr: the info about this years summer of code: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26955
20091208 23:40:55< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: jupp
20091208 23:41:29< stikonas> Ivanovic: you have updated Lithuanian translation in r40174, not Latvian :)
20091208 23:41:44< Ivanovic> ah, does not matter, both start with 'L'
20091208 23:41:46< Ivanovic> ;)
20091208 23:41:55< Ivanovic> and it was the correct file
20091208 23:42:06< Ivanovic> (though the announcement it not ready for translations yet...)
20091208 23:42:17< Ivanovic> esr: updated the version that is shown online, it is really the latest from svn now
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20091208 23:43:11< Ivanovic> and, hmm, the same chars should be used for the same task
20091208 23:43:17< Ivanovic> eg "Several other unit lines - most notably the Drakes — have been completely redone with improved art and animations."
20091208 23:43:20< Ivanovic> ;)
20091208 23:45:46< CIA-12> ivanovic * r40175 /trunk/ (11 files in 9 dirs): updated Lithuanian translation
20091208 23:52:31< boucman> anybody has an opinion on bug 14902 ? (remove level-up message) i'll look to streamline it if it can't be overridden, but i'm not sure about removing the message entirely
20091208 23:55:05< Crab_> boucman: well, I like those labels :)
20091208 23:55:18< boucman> ok, that's one vote for it :P
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