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--- Day changed Sat Dec 19 2009
20091219 00:00:12< alink> a 'failed teleport'
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20091219 00:01:09< shadowmaster> Zarel__: pling.
20091219 00:01:17< alink> but anyway, even without fog, i was thinking about how the AI do some plans, and then can easily block all its units
20091219 00:01:55< Crab_> how ?
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20091219 00:02:27< alink> by leaving a unit on the teleport point
20091219 00:02:53< alink> mmh, assuming that we keep the rule 'teleport point must me empty'
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20091219 00:03:22< Zarel> shadowmaster: Oh, I see.
20091219 00:03:28< Zarel> What was the "pling" about?
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20091219 00:03:58< alink> but it's true that it make less sense for tunnel-like teleport
20091219 00:04:34< shadowmaster> Zarel: I intended to check if you had read my last messages or got disconnected before that
20091219 00:04:49< Zarel> I see it now.
20091219 00:06:15< Crab_> alink: well, it can be partially solved in movement&targeting phase by requiring the ai to do the moves which do not end on teleport hex first
20091219 00:06:39< Crab_> it is harder in combat phase.. e.g where there is a enemy  next to a portal and ai has got 6 skirmishers
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20091219 00:07:12< Crab_> e.g. it might be advantageous/enough to attack the enemy with 1 unit from the portal hex
20091219 00:07:41< Crab_> but, it might be better to move N skirmishers to other side and surround that enemy
20091219 00:07:46< alink> which may be an hard limitation, as i said portal will be a hot spot to control
20091219 00:08:04< alink> btw I wonder if we must allow fight trough the tunnel-like. If not you can easily block an army with one peasant
20091219 00:09:09< alink> such fight will be funny to animate
20091219 00:09:24< alink> scrolling between hits ?
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20091219 00:10:08< alink> ans yes ZoC stuff also need special care
20091219 00:10:24< alink> s/ans/and
20091219 00:10:35< Zarel__> ..........
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20091219 00:10:55< shadowmaster> Zarel: you are missing Zarel_ 
20091219 00:11:04< Zarel> No, Zarel_ is my laptop.
20091219 00:11:13< shadowmaster> ah, hah, okay
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20091219 00:11:45< Zarel> I do wish the downstairs guys would warn me before powercycling the router.
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20091219 00:12:19< Zarel> ...turns out, it wasn't my laptop.
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20091219 00:12:45< Zarel> Now _that's_ my laptop.
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20091219 08:35:35< mordante> servus
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20091219 08:43:05< ettin> shadowmaster: pong
20091219 08:46:05< Ivanovic> hi ettin and mordante
20091219 08:46:40< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20091219 08:48:02< Ivanovic> ettin: do you have a short and easy list for mordante what exactly has to be available and done for manpages and manual (po file update as well as generation of translated pages)?
20091219 08:48:20< Ivanovic> that is: paramters required for the commands and all the like
20091219 08:48:38< Ivanovic> this would probably make it a *lot* easier to write those things into a nice cmake recipe
20091219 08:49:16< Ivanovic> ettin: and is there a reason why the recipe produces an xml file as intermediate and does not directly go over to html?
20091219 08:49:33< Ivanovic> someone in #po4a on oftc mentioned that it should be possible to directly work with html
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20091219 08:54:43< ettin> Ivanovic: there was probably a good reason for that... but I have forgotten it all ;)
20091219 08:54:57< ettin> Ivanovic: I think xml worked better than html at the time
20091219 08:55:16< Ivanovic> okay
20091219 08:55:42< ettin> Ivanovic: also, IIRC you can convert the xml to other formats (PDF, etc)
20091219 08:55:42< Ivanovic> as you might have read, xml ain't working this nicely atm... (cf http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561416 )
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20091219 09:00:31< CIA-28> ivanovic * r40286 /trunk/ (22 files in 21 dirs): updated Spanish translation
20091219 09:02:00< Ivanovic> ettin: okay, good reason
20091219 09:03:01< ettin> Ivanovic: I saw you were in #po4a... did you talk to nekral?
20091219 09:03:17< Ivanovic> ettin: nekral was not around himself
20091219 09:03:28< Ivanovic> but someone else had a look and posted above bug report
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20091219 09:26:47< Zarel> This is horrible...
20091219 09:27:25< Zarel> On the Warzone forums, there's someone who's using the "report post" feature to say "this is a good post"
20091219 09:27:56< mordante> it is a report... :-P
20091219 09:28:00< Zarel> And when I try to explain to him that the report post feature is only used to report posts that should be deleted, he's asking me why anyone would ever make a bad post.
20091219 09:28:12 * mordante better starts to download javascript ;-)
20091219 09:28:33< Zarel> Yes, this is the same guy who asked how to download JavaScript earlier. :|
20091219 09:28:38< Zarel> His exact words: "Why anyone make bad post to start with?"
20091219 09:30:00< mordante> interesting, proving something by asking a question about it
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20091219 09:30:23< mordante> (fear the poster doesn't realize it)
20091219 09:31:37< Zarel> And he's also posting with "disable BBCode" checked, so you can see the quote tags...
20091219 09:31:54< Zarel> It's almost as if he's trolling...
20091219 09:32:36< mordante> trolling or stupidity
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20091219 10:43:59< Gallifax> Hello
20091219 10:44:07< Gallifax> Soliton: Around?
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20091219 15:47:19< Ivanovic> hi
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20091219 17:03:43< ilor> regarding the addon server project, are there any suggested implementation platforms? I was considering django since what we need amounts to a web service and python shouuld be nice to write in
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20091219 17:06:47< ilor> the course plan is to have a prototype done by late january, it'd probably be some basic server features plus a web interface and a client script
20091219 17:07:17< ilor> with the in-game interface and rest of fetures done throughout the next semester
20091219 17:07:27< ilor> Ivanovic: ^
20091219 17:10:27< Ivanovic> ilor: you should talk to Rh0nda about what is possible on the server
20091219 17:10:44< Ivanovic> in general i prefer a "low res usage" and "working nicely" solution
20091219 17:12:56< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: Everyone prefer that :P
20091219 17:13:20< ilor> Ivanovic: that's why I think using a python framework and doing stuff over plain http is a good idea
20091219 17:13:20< Ivanovic> ilor: i think in general it is more like "do what you think works best and you are able to handle"
20091219 17:14:04< ilor> Ivanovic: okay, but since I have to put some of the decisions in writing form my prof, I might as well brief you guys :)
20091219 17:14:12< Ivanovic> :)
20091219 17:14:33< Ivanovic> what is important: low ram usage!
20091219 17:14:46< Ivanovic> (yes, ram is probably our main problem on the server...)
20091219 17:15:13< ilor> basically the server will be a simple web application, that will make available a nice web UI for browsers and a bare data-only interface for the script and the game
20091219 17:15:27< Ivanovic> sounds okay to me
20091219 17:16:06< ilor> ram usage should be small, it won't be a large app and websites serve ~20MB files all the time without much trouble
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20091219 17:17:39< ilor> need to run now, comments still welcome :)
20091219 17:18:33< Ivanovic> mkay
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20091219 18:21:16-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: string/feature freeze active! | 71 bugs, 247 feature requests, 8 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20091219 18:27:53< shadowmaster> ettin: do you still need forum admin privs?
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20091219 18:32:42< shadowmaster> is wesnoth.org unresponsive again?
20091219 18:34:11< Ivanovic> nope, works normally over here
20091219 18:34:22< shadowmaster> it times out for me
20091219 18:34:31< shadowmaster> nothing else does...
20091219 18:35:21< shadowmaster> same via SSH
20091219 18:36:12< Ivanovic> works perfectly over here
20091219 18:36:20< shadowmaster> okay, any ideas then?
20091219 18:37:02< Ivanovic> have you tried "extremely loud swearing"?
20091219 18:38:06< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d7108db06
20091219 18:39:10< Ivanovic> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m335710c3
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20091219 18:40:32< shadowmaster> this is not good for various obvious reasons :/
20091219 18:41:52< loonycyborg> shadowmaster: Try using tor :P
20091219 18:41:57< shadowmaster> no
20091219 18:42:54< loonycyborg> Hm.. What's wrong with tor? :/
20091219 18:43:28< shadowmaster> I thought you were joking.
20091219 18:44:24< loonycyborg> Actually it's not that hard. Just start tor and run 'torify ssh ..'
20091219 18:49:58< loonycyborg> Maybe it's not such a good idea after all. ssh over tor is *very* laggy.
20091219 18:50:18< shadowmaster> I need it for http right now
20091219 18:50:28< shadowmaster> where 'it' is wesnoth.org
20091219 18:50:57< shadowmaster> I was also considering the possibility to try playing MP, *BUT*...
20091219 19:01:41< shadowmaster> too difficult to configure and I don't trust transmitting sensitive information via http through it. I give up.
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20091219 19:16:44< shadowmaster> using lynx from the wesnoth-umc-dev site host for now...
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20091219 19:42:15< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: is there any (simple) way to know what's blocking me?
20091219 19:43:19< shadowmaster> since my route breaks right after gar1.chsct.ip.att.net and there are then only two hosts before wesnoth.org, I was wondering if the first of them could be some sort of router at olm or something
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20091219 19:51:06< Ivanovic> i don't know if there is any simple way to find out
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20091219 19:57:53< loonycyborg> shadowmaster: Maybe file a support request at the wesnoth's provider..
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20091219 19:59:22< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: unless I can mae sure it's a problem at it and not its upstream or something in between
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20091219 20:17:57< ettin> shadowmaster: no
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20091219 21:41:07< shadowmaster> still blocked... :/
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20091219 22:07:34< mordante> I'm off bye
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20091219 22:08:29< shadowmaster> I can't even visit olm.net, dammit
20091219 22:08:35< shadowmaster> :|
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20091219 22:14:10< Ivanovic> outsch
20091219 22:19:31< shadowmaster> the problem seems to be at att.net, not olm.
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20091219 22:20:59< shadowmaster> um, it sometimes works, it sometimes doesn't; olm.net doesn't work for me at all
20091219 22:22:07< shadowmaster> foo, the traceroute testing is a mess.
20091219 22:22:40< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d65fa65af to Olm.
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20091219 22:50:47< shadowmaster> okay, now I can access the website using SSH forwarding :/
20091219 22:51:18< shadowmaster> there goes a foreign IP range to my forum account's history
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20091219 22:54:39< Rhonda> hmm, who rebooted the server last week?
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