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20091208 02:15:22< Soul_keeper> how do you whisper to someone from your server lobby if they are whispering to you ?
20091208 02:16:15< Soul_keeper> ok  /
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20091208 07:42:50< C_Bob> I see this channel is as lively as ever.
20091208 07:43:20< C_Bob> On a side note, when Wesnoth 1.7.9 crashed earlier, it took all of my saved games and progress with it.
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20091208 10:25:14< Ivanovic> moin
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20091208 15:14:48< aegil_> more people than i was expecting :)
20091208 15:15:03< Soul_keeper> good work
20091208 15:15:12< ardesh> O_o
20091208 15:17:08< aegil_> y so quiet?
20091208 15:17:48< aegil_> you all must be playing, unlike me, who is stuck at work :(
20091208 15:19:26< Soul_keeper> not me, working myself, but I idle here.
20091208 15:19:48< Soul_keeper> A game or two a day keeps me happy 
20091208 15:20:42< aegil_> i'm new to wesnoth (i have the iphone version)
20091208 15:21:06< Soul_keeper> wow didn't know there was one
20091208 15:22:10< aegil_> I should prolly try the PC version, but i'm afraid i might get addicted...
20091208 15:22:35< aegil_> i was a huge Fire Emblem fan.
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20091208 18:39:02< Aethaeryn> ZOMG. Turuk.
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20091208 18:39:46< Aethaeryn> O.o
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20091208 18:56:14< SekoIdiootti> :o
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20091208 20:17:50< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20091208 20:24:05< aegil_> more talkative today perhaps?
20091208 20:24:36< [Relic]> like more than 1 quit and 1 join line every hour?
20091208 20:25:12< aegil_> not me
20091208 20:26:03< aegil_> the forums seem to be an inappropriate place to casually talk about wesnoth as posts are locked ALL the time.
20091208 20:26:19< aegil_> i'm afraid to post actually
20091208 20:32:17< [Relic]> have to maintain some order though, and it is easier to lock a topic and move on then continue stupid arguing and name calling in a lot of cases
20091208 20:37:19< aegil_> most of the posts i've read on the forums (from a new user's perspective), seems to suggest new users shouldn't post. 
20091208 20:38:29< aegil_> with the iphone release, i'd imagine lots of new users to wesnoth will be reading the forums looking for "community".
20091208 20:38:39< aegil_> me included.
20091208 20:41:11< shadowmaster> aegil_: posts aren't locked all the time.
20091208 20:41:21< shadowmaster> Let me see, I see many open threads on every subforum.
20091208 20:41:41< aegil_> ^ smarty pants ;P
20091208 20:42:12< shadowmaster> all we want is people who are willing to follow the Posting Guidelines and the subforum's rules.
20091208 20:42:24< shadowmaster> is that too much to ask?
20091208 20:43:23< aegil_> I tried to read all the rules and guidlines, even reading Turuk's blog about "misunderstand each other without body language"
20091208 20:44:04< aegil_> all it did was intimidate me. so, perhaps i'm over analyzing things.
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20091208 20:46:32< shadowmaster> I assure you, we don't eat newbies ;)
20091208 20:47:51< SekoIdiootti> Well, some of us do.
20091208 20:47:58< SekoIdiootti> XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
20091208 20:48:03< SekoIdiootti> (meainging)
20091208 20:48:08< SekoIdiootti> *meaning some evils
20091208 20:48:14< aegil_> turuk scares me.
20091208 20:48:17< SekoIdiootti> lol
20091208 20:48:40< shadowmaster> Turuk is like a cute kitten, really.
20091208 20:48:46< SekoIdiootti> yeah, he scares me too.. Well, he didn't earlier, but when he became an admin... :O
20091208 20:50:08< aegil_> watch turuk is in here, planning my execution now xD
20091208 20:50:19< shadowmaster> um, no he isn't.
20091208 20:50:43< SekoIdiootti> lol, maybe he's in disguise...?
20091208 20:51:53< shadowmaster> I don't know why you people are scared of Turuk. Is it because of the different color? :P
20091208 20:51:53 * aegil_ becomes paranoid.
20091208 20:53:50< Aethaeryn> aegil_: It's actually smarter to lurk for a month or so, get the feel of the community, and then be a "smart newbie" when you start posting.
20091208 20:53:56< Aethaeryn> Rather than just impulse post and get it locked.
20091208 20:54:02< Aethaeryn> You can learn by other people's mistakes rather than your own.
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20091208 20:55:22< shadowmaster> It's a matter of common sense, really. You won't go into an international conference on Global Warming dressed like a clown and talking nonsense. ;)
20091208 20:55:48< shadowmaster> okay, I believe my analogy failed.
20091208 20:55:56< Aethaeryn> It's a little more formal than a lot of forums, yes.
20091208 20:56:05< aegil_> indeed.
20091208 20:56:05< Aethaeryn> You wouldn't go to a formal dance in a T-shirt and jeans.
20091208 20:56:24< Aethaeryn> In other words, if you use horrible grammar and 1337speak, you're going to be ridiculed.
20091208 20:56:37< Aethaeryn> If you make 50 logical fallacies in a 30-word post, you're going to be ridiculed.
20091208 20:56:40< aegil_> yes, i read that in the guidelines
20091208 20:56:54< Aethaeryn> If you act reasonable and try to communicate your message in a mature manner, no problem.
20091208 20:57:07< aegil_> but, keeping with your analogy, where is the after-party where everyone kicks back and relaxes?
20091208 20:57:26< aegil_> is that here?
20091208 20:57:35< Aethaeryn> Survival Xtreme? ;)
20091208 20:58:31< Aethaeryn> Probably any in-game chat is less formal.
20091208 20:58:45< Aethaeryn> The forums are more serious, development stuff
20091208 20:59:08< Aethaeryn> Of course, even the server has rules.
20091208 20:59:15< aegil_> "Users' Forum  This forum is for users of the game to post feedback and discuss the game. Anything that doesn't fit in any other forums can be posted here."
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20091208 20:59:39< aegil_> need to change the description of that forum then.
20091208 20:59:58< Aethaeryn> Notice "discuss the game"
20091208 21:00:01< Aethaeryn> Off-topic is for non-game stuff
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20091208 21:00:20< Aethaeryn> And for totally informal... Unless someone wants to organize the equivilent of a no-rules after-party that the cool kids organize in rival with the endorsed after-party... The one that someone inevitably gets hurt at...
20091208 21:00:24< aegil_> but even off-topic threads get closed by turuk.
20091208 21:00:25< Aethaeryn> There's still rules for one :P
20091208 21:00:45< shadowmaster> aegil_: naaah
20091208 21:00:57< shadowmaster> aegil_: that's a special case with IPS. OT threads are usually closed by me ;)
20091208 21:01:00< Aethaeryn> Aka. Non-official server = no code of conduct to follow, but that's not necessarily a good thing.
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20091208 21:01:11< Aethaeryn> aegil_: Only if the topic is stupid will it be locked.
20091208 21:01:17< Aethaeryn> Trust me, the longer you lurk the forums, the more it will make sense.
20091208 21:01:38< aegil_> I shall lurk more then.
20091208 21:01:41< Aethaeryn> Patterns emerge of topics that have no potential whatsoever, usually redundant with another thread already up or rehashing something that shouldn't be rehashed.
20091208 21:01:49 * aegil_ goes into lurker mode.
20091208 21:01:58< shadowmaster> aegil_: you are being too verbose. *Locked*.
20091208 21:02:03< shadowmaster> er, Aethaeryn :P
20091208 21:02:16< Aethaeryn> Once you notice the patterns, you'll realize that the moderators are very relaxed.
20091208 21:02:48< aegil_> shadowmaster is too funny.
20091208 21:03:34< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster is a villain you get to kill at the end of a campaign. How many mods/developers can claim that?
20091208 21:04:02< aegil_> see, this is all i was looking for, meeting other that play wesnoth, are inteligent and have a sense of humor.
20091208 21:04:35< aegil_> now i'm going to feel bad when i kill him :(
20091208 21:04:40< Aethaeryn> I think the more real-time something is, the less formal it is.
20091208 21:05:16< Aethaeryn> So if it's a mailing list it's really formal, the forums mostly formal, IRC somewhat formal (there's idling and multiple people involved so it's not quite real-time), and any kind of in-game or IM chat is pretty informal.
20091208 21:05:28< shadowm_laptop> Aethaeryn: you think that, on IRC it depends on the channel, really.
20091208 21:05:52< shadowm_laptop> generally, the larger the channel, more rules enforcement is required or it would collapse into chaos.
20091208 21:06:07< shadowm_laptop> alternatively, replace "larger" with "active"
20091208 21:06:12< aegil_> and rules for this channel i should know about?
20091208 21:06:23< shadowm_laptop> common sense, AFAIK
20091208 21:06:34< aegil_> glad you didn't say typos, since i just made one.
20091208 21:06:47< shadowm_laptop> hey, I make more typos all the time!
20091208 21:07:06< shadowm_laptop> and we don't kill people for that either; even devs make typos since most of them aren't even native speakers
20091208 21:07:48< aegil_> typos kill programmers, i should know.
20091208 21:08:38< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: That's an alternative way to think about it.
20091208 21:08:58< Aethaeryn> If it's a channel among 3-4 people, it's very casual. If it's a 400-person channel of a distro, it's probably going to have rules to keep order.
20091208 21:09:19< Aethaeryn> A lot of small channels have no rules at all since no one's going to troll in it.
20091208 21:09:56< aegil_> i'm still amazed at the number of idles here. perhaps different timezones? and its more active other times?
20091208 21:10:12< Aethaeryn> No, that's a trait common amongst most Freenode channels.
20091208 21:10:24< Aethaeryn> Other networks tend to have fewer idlers, but it depends on the channel.
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20091208 21:10:39< Aethaeryn> From experience, though, Freenode has some of the largest channels I've been to and some of the deadest largest channels I've been to :P
20091208 21:11:24< aegil_> what do you think drives people to idle? training lurking skill up?
20091208 21:11:39< shadowmaster> I idle most of the time I'm not connected to the Internet.
20091208 21:11:48< Aethaeryn> I suppose many people join a channel because they use the OS/app/whatever...
20091208 21:12:00< Aethaeryn> And don't even intend to chat, as opposed to many other networks
20091208 21:12:14< shadowmaster> However, this means I find out of anything unusual that may happen while I'm not here.
20091208 21:12:28< shadowmaster> other people do the same in other channels.
20091208 21:12:47 * aegil_ frets turuk will read this log.
20091208 21:13:45< shadowmaster> he can, he won't hate you for it :P
20091208 21:14:10< aegil_> if i say his name a few more times, I might make it easier for him xD
20091208 21:14:25< Aethaeryn> My primary reason for being in #Wesnoth-dev, for instance, is to read not talk. It's useful to find out if I need to update SVN again after I already updated it that day.
20091208 21:14:44< aegil_> they have daily builds?
20091208 21:14:48< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: note that you could subscribe to the commits ML for that instead
20091208 21:15:32< shadowmaster> aegil_: only for Windows
20091208 21:16:17< aegil_> my wife keeps me locked into using windows, so thats good to know.
20091208 21:16:30< shadowmaster> you'd better use official releases, though, not SVN builds
20091208 21:16:57< aegil_> SVN frowned upon?
20091208 21:17:04< shadowmaster> if you use SVN builds you'll need to bear some nasty bugs introduced from time to time (which do not make it into released versions, of course)
20091208 21:17:27< VistafailedRuler> Wait, you're forced to use Windows?
20091208 21:17:41< VistafailedRuler> And I pinged?
20091208 21:17:44< aegil_> Yes, the wife "doesn't like linux"
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20091208 21:18:52< aegil_> i'm sure the first time one of her friends shows her Win7, i'm gonna have to go out and buy it, i'd dreading that day.
20091208 21:19:13< VurtualRuler98> Don't worry, it sucks.
20091208 21:19:16< shadowmaster> sounds like "loves windows", rather than "doesn't like linux"
20091208 21:19:22< VurtualRuler98> It feels empty. Completely empty.
20091208 21:19:44< VurtualRuler98> When I saw a computer running it, it had no soul. It was just a plastic case, that somehow worked.
20091208 21:20:40< aegil_> VurtualRuler98, does your PS3 also have linux on it?
20091208 21:20:50< VurtualRuler98> I don't have a PS3.
20091208 21:20:56< aegil_> O_O
20091208 21:21:02< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: It's easier for me to just idle in IRC and check for CIA than to get on a mailing list. I'm not looking for when to update (I do that once a day anyway) but when to re-update while still connected.
20091208 21:21:09< VurtualRuler98> The PS2 runs PS2 games, too.
20091208 21:21:21< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: you don't talk with the mailing list, the mailing list talks to you.
20091208 21:21:27< shadowmaster> Better used with a IMAP or POP3 client.
20091208 21:22:27< aegil_> PCSX2 runs ps2 games better xD but they frown upon SVN builds.
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20091208 21:26:20< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: What I'm saying is that if I'm on IRC anyway, it's easier/lazier to just look for CIA lines in #Wesnoth-dev than to sign up for a mailing list and have to keep up Firefox or a mailing client
20091208 21:26:31< aegil_> VurtualRuler98, you think computers have souls??  interesting.
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20091208 21:39:00< SekoIdiootti> I need to go now, bye people.
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20091208 21:39:34< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: okay, even though you are basically doing the same thi
20091208 21:39:36< aegil_> so. many. shadowmasters.
20091208 21:39:37< shadowmaster> ng
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