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20091210 07:17:08< Gamefreak264> What is the likelyhood that 1.8 stable will be released by the end of the month?
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20091210 08:14:58< amikrop> Hello. So, "Descent Into Darkness" never ends, until some "Foolish Hero" eventually kills you?
20091210 08:15:04< amikrop> And that's the end?
20091210 08:15:12< Espreon> Yup.
20091210 08:16:55< VurtualRuler98> spoilers :(
20091210 08:17:07< amikrop> So, as a story/tale it has an "unhappy ending", right?
20091210 08:18:17< Espreon> Not necessarily...
20091210 08:18:24 * Espreon points at IFtU.
20091210 08:18:43< amikrop> Espreon: "not necessarily" to me or VurtualRuler98 ?
20091210 08:19:12< amikrop> And the moral is that when you go the evil way, even if you start with a good purpose, you will get corrupted and turn out bad, and you desevre punishment? :/
20091210 08:19:14< amikrop> :P
20091210 08:19:14< Espreon> To you.
20091210 08:21:40< amikrop> Espreon: I have 1.6.5 so I don't know this campaign. I just read its description online, but what was your actual point?
20091210 08:22:25< amikrop> The elves go necromancing. But I don't know the end, to compare with DiD as you implied.
20091210 08:23:23< Espreon> Uh... I'm not going to go into further detail...
20091210 08:23:33< Espreon> Play it and find out...
20091210 08:23:49< amikrop> Espreon: If you could tell me in private, then we wouldn't spoil it.
20091210 08:24:21< amikrop> Espreon: Because you say the ending of DiD is not bad, and I wonder why (since your hero must die).
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20091210 10:47:42< Ivanovic> moin
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20091210 11:02:37< Kyphon> dead chats is dead
20091210 11:07:16< Gamefreak264> Is it now?
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20091210 12:51:29< C_Bob> You know, the fire dragon seems a bit weak, relative to the armageddon drake.
20091210 12:59:33< C_Bob> The dragon's vaunted fiery breath is actually weaker than the Armageddon Drake's, in spite of Drakes being regarded as lesser creatures.
20091210 13:00:22< C_Bob> While it is true that the dragon possesses marksman, the drake does 16 more damage.
20091210 13:00:45< C_Bob> Since the Dragon is a legendary monster, I believe it should be at least as good as the Armageddon Drake in this regard, if not significantly better.
20091210 13:01:17< zookeeper> i think the armageddon drake stats are simply pretty silly.
20091210 13:01:40< zookeeper> i don't think they were given too much consideration when it was mainlined since it's not available by default
20091210 13:01:51< C_Bob> True enough.
20091210 13:02:16< zookeeper> i'm sure they can be toned down somewhat in 1.9
20091210 13:02:43< C_Bob> When I think of super-heavy magical attacks, I generally think of Delfador's (even though the level 4 Mage technically does more).
20091210 13:02:49< C_Bob> The Armageddon Drake blows everything else away.
20091210 13:02:59< C_Bob> In terms of damage, anyway.
20091210 13:03:35< C_Bob> Not having an accuracy modifier hurts it a bit.
20091210 13:04:35< C_Bob> It'd be nice to both nerf the Arma Drake and boost dragons.
20091210 13:05:00< C_Bob> It shouldn't make much of a difference; I can think of only one scenario that uses dragons anyway, and it's already ludicrously overpowered in that one, even as it is.
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20091210 14:21:28< Max__> Hello ! 
20091210 14:21:34< Max__> ya quelqu'un ?
20091210 14:22:13< Max__> hou houuuu (echo: houuuuu)
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20091210 14:39:24< Ken_Oh> quelqu'un est la
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20091210 15:27:51< esr> beetlenaut: You there?
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20091210 19:32:15< amikrop> How can one beat Siege of Elensefar? I had some level 2 elfs, even a level 3 one, but the skeletons are far too many and are immune against elf attacks.
20091210 19:32:29< amikrop> * elves
20091210 19:33:29< amikrop> With one way or another, I manage to beat the Orcs (even maybe their leader) but then my army is weakened, and the skeletons outnumber me really much.
20091210 19:33:50< amikrop> I tried to play it on Hard, but couldn't even beat the Orcs. on Normal, that happens.
20091210 19:34:11< zookeeper> then play on easy?
20091210 19:34:38< amikrop> zookeeper: I mean, how is somebody supposed to beat the scenario in Hard (even in Normal)?
20091210 19:35:36< amikrop> How can you kill *this* many skeletons? With mages? You don't have the money since you have to recall leveled elves and recruit new units.
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20091210 19:36:05< amikrop> I can just recruit 3-4 mages but get killed immediately by skeleton axes.
20091210 19:36:18< amikrop> Any hints, please? Because I find it quite extraordinary.
20091210 19:44:46< zookeeper> mages, shamans, whatever you have.
20091210 19:45:01< zookeeper> it's not that hard even on hard
20091210 19:45:22< zookeeper> there's threads about that scenario on the forums and i'm sure there's some replays in there somewhere too
20091210 19:47:20< zookeeper> that's the most common scenario for newbies to find themselves stuck on
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20091210 20:03:07< amikrop> zookeeper: but you don't have money for mages. you have to recall/recruit elves to beat the orcs
20091210 20:04:04< amikrop> and the help from the thiefs is pointless. they are too few, and extremely weak. they are nothing for skeletons. I wonder, are they supposed to asassinate the Orcs leader by stealthing in?
20091210 20:04:33< amikrop> zookeeper: I would be glad to see a replay of elensefar
20091210 20:04:57< amikrop> zookeeper: I mean, I have searched, and the only I have found is for wesnoth 0.9.x and 1.0.y
20091210 20:05:20< amikrop> zookeeper: for example, do you have one?
20091210 20:05:57< Soliton> post your start-of-scenario save.
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20091210 20:07:11< amikrop> Soliton: why?
20091210 20:07:39< amikrop> Soliton: I mean, it isn't a good start, but why would you want to see it anyway?
20091210 20:08:06< Soliton> so someone can show you how to beat it.
20091210 20:08:28< amikrop> Soliton: You mean you will post me a replay?
20091210 20:09:46< amikrop> Soliton: http://filebin.ca/gsmkvt/HttT-The_Siege_of_Elensefar.gz
20091210 20:16:30< Soliton> yes.
20091210 20:22:57< amikrop> Soliton: it just can't be done. I can't image how it could be done. I have tried everything. it's you against two opponents.
20091210 20:23:18< amikrop> of different type (each one has its own resistances)
20091210 20:24:17< amikrop> Soliton: If you can't do it with my save (I will be really surprised if anyone could), feel free to do it with one of your own.
20091210 20:28:14< Soliton> looks like you let the loyal mage die.
20091210 20:29:18< amikrop> yes
20091210 20:29:39< amikrop> Soliton: if you have a replay of your own please do send me :(
20091210 20:32:52< amikrop> (would the loyal mage really make all the difference?)
20091210 20:33:43< Soliton> no, but he's pretty nice.
20091210 20:39:21< amikrop> Soliton: sure. I would still appreciate it very much, to see a replay of this scenario (on normal or hard)
20091210 20:39:59< Soliton> i'm working on it.
20091210 20:43:24< amikrop> Soliton: thanks ;)
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20091210 21:57:50< amikrop> Soliton: any news yet? :)
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20091210 22:33:37< Soliton> amikrop: http://files.wesnoth.org/soliton/HttT-The_Siege_of_Elensefar_replay.gz
20091210 22:34:24< amikrop> Soliton: thank you very much :)
20091210 22:38:21< amikrop> Soliton: I have 1.6.5 and says the file is corrupt. I use Ubuntu, if I installed 1.7.x then I would be able to see the replay?
20091210 22:39:00< Soliton> just click continue it'll work anyway.
20091210 22:39:27< Soliton> there is some bug with ai income or something. in the replay it tells you that the ai is recruiting too expensive units.
20091210 22:39:55< Soliton> it'll just recruit them anyway though and it'll replay fine.
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20091210 23:22:41< amikrop> Soliton: Wow, you are a great player. I noticed these things: you only did 2 recruits. you has many leveled up units, you has Konrad pretty experienced, and you made a huge use of healers
20091210 23:22:58< amikrop> I must admit I didn't know these tacticts were so effective
20091210 23:23:05< amikrop> * had
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20091210 23:24:02< amikrop> Soliton: how did you manage to have se leveled-up units? you fight too much and keep experienced units with low HP out of battle, to heal?
20091210 23:24:07< amikrop> * so many
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20091210 23:31:32< Soliton> amikrop: not sure i understand the question. you see in the replay how i played, right?
20091210 23:31:57< Soliton> and what do you mean i did only two recruits? you mean two recalls?
20091210 23:33:45< Soliton> i could have recalled the horseman and a ranger. might have made it a bit easier. you're lacking in fighter and shaman upgrades though.
20091210 23:34:01< amikrop> Soliton: No, I mean you level up many units in previous scenarios, right?
20091210 23:34:19< amikrop> Soliton: You keep experienced units safe and not let them be killed, to level them up?
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20091210 23:36:44< Soliton> oh, now i see. that's some other replay...
20091210 23:37:29< Soliton> that was from 1.7.5 so that wouldn't work in 1.6.
20091210 23:38:07< Soliton> if you download again now it's the one from your save.
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20091210 23:39:02< Soliton> and yes, it's a good idea to keep experienced units safe and let new recruits die instead.
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20091210 23:46:27< VurtualRuler98> So many innocents killed. :(
20091210 23:53:52< amikrop> Soliton: I installed the latest development version and saw your replay
20091210 23:54:05< Soliton> ah, i see.
20091210 23:54:10< amikrop> Soliton: now, I will download it again to look at your other replay with my save
20091210 23:54:14< amikrop> is it available now?
20091210 23:54:29< amikrop> (is it the same URL?)
20091210 23:54:36< Soliton> yes.
20091210 23:54:54< amikrop> now that's going to be really interesting...
20091210 23:57:22< amikrop> Soliton: it's the same replay (1.7) again
20091210 23:57:38< amikrop> (at the same URL)
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20091210 23:58:31< Soliton> browser cache?
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