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20091212 02:46:00< Guest63524> heyy
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20091212 02:47:14< shadowmaster> hi there
20091212 02:47:24< The> how is everybody doing?
20091212 02:47:49< shadowmaster> we're currently enjoying the silence
20091212 02:48:02< The> thats cool
20091212 02:48:50< The> so Wesnoth
20091212 02:49:21< The> forum says your a developer?
20091212 02:49:52< Turuk> So are a number of the people in here.
20091212 02:50:01< The> cool
20091212 02:50:06< Turuk> This is where they congregate to talk and plan and discuss
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20091212 02:50:54< Violating_GPL> an hi
20091212 02:51:00< shadowmaster> hi there
20091212 02:51:03< The> I found it in Maximum PC a while ago
20091212 02:51:16< The> just found it again going through my files
20091212 02:53:42< The> are there any good beginner guides lying around?
20091212 02:56:41< Zarel> Well, the tutorial is generally enough.
20091212 03:00:58< The> well I have the actual game play down
20091212 03:01:12< The> its more strategy I was looking for
20091212 03:01:40< Turuk> Try browsing the strategies and tips part of the forum
20091212 03:01:51< Turuk> There are a number of threads about strategies to employ both in campaigns and multiplayer
20091212 03:02:00< Turuk> You can even search for threads on a particular campaign or scenario
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20091212 03:08:41< Zarel> ...oh, dear.
20091212 03:08:58< Zarel> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=397040#p397040
20091212 03:09:01< Zarel> :( :( :(
20091212 03:09:49< Aethaeryn> so Freenode
20091212 03:10:09< Aethaeryn> The silence The was referring to is so Freenode ;)
20091212 03:10:43< The> its supposed to be The Heir
20091212 03:10:49< The> but it doesnt seem to like spaces
20091212 03:10:56< Aethaeryn> Underscore is how it works
20091212 03:11:06< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: you don't know freenode very well.
20091212 03:11:16< shadowmaster> join #freenode, #defocus, #debian, #ubuntu, and you'll see
20091212 03:11:33< shadowmaster> Zarel: I won't feed him
20091212 03:11:39< shadowmaster> :p
20091212 03:11:40< The> my username is usually TheHeirtotheThrone
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20091212 03:11:57< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Go to Ubuntu? Heretic.
20091212 03:12:00< Zarel> Aethaeryn: Wait, what?
20091212 03:12:02< The> which happens to be the tutorial in Wesnoth for soem strange reason
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20091212 03:12:13< Aethaeryn> The one thing Ubuntu has going for it is GNOME over KDE. :P
20091212 03:12:16< Zarel> What was "You don't know Freenode very well" a reference to?
20091212 03:12:32< Aethaeryn> That silence is common among Freenode.
20091212 03:12:41< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: boo, troll
20091212 03:12:42< Zarel> Oh, yes, _very_ true.
20091212 03:12:49< Aethaeryn> It's true, though, go to any major game project in particular, or most projects in general, and their main chans are very dead
20091212 03:12:53< Aethaeryn> sometimes they have active -dev chans
20091212 03:13:15< Zarel> Oh, yeah. I got confused by how "The" was being used as a proper noun.
20091212 03:13:32< Zarel> The: Repeat after me:
20091212 03:13:35< Zarel> /nick TheHeir
20091212 03:13:56< The> >	/nick TheHeir
20091212 03:14:02-!- The is now known as TheHeir
20091212 03:14:04< Zarel> ...don't put a "> " in front of i.
20091212 03:14:07< Zarel> There you go.
20091212 03:14:31< TheHeir> thats what I get for being lazy and copy + pasting :P
20091212 03:14:34< shadowmaster> it was a >+tab
20091212 03:14:56-!- Aethaeryn is now known as TheHair
20091212 03:14:58< TheHair> <_<
20091212 03:14:59< TheHair> >_>
20091212 03:15:01-!- TheHair is now known as Aethaeryn
20091212 03:15:01< Zarel> rofl
20091212 03:15:13-!- Zarel is now known as TheAir
20091212 03:15:15< TheAir> ^_^
20091212 03:15:20-!- TheAir is now known as Zarel
20091212 03:15:50< TheHeir> having fun?
20091212 03:17:34< Zarel> Turuk: I meant that debug mode was probably better than modifying scenario files.
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20091212 03:26:44< TheHeir> there are alot of people here
20091212 03:26:46< TheHeir> why is nobody talking
20091212 03:26:56< shadowmaster> because we have other things to do.
20091212 03:27:29< talsemgeest> TheHeir: Everyone must be off playing Wesnoth ;)
20091212 03:27:37< Zarel> As per usual in most FOSS game channels.
20091212 03:27:46< Zarel> And by that, I mean the only two I frequent. ;)
20091212 03:28:08< Zarel> Maybe you could /join #warzone2100 and keep Dylan_Hsu company.
20091212 03:28:12< shadowmaster> I'm talking in the network's social channel and watching the support channel while watching the Wesnoth.org forums
20091212 03:28:16< Zarel> He's always complaining about having no one to talk to.
20091212 03:28:53< Zarel> shadowmaster: * Topic for #social is: GNU social - A decentralized secure social network
20091212 03:28:55< TheHeir> cool
20091212 03:29:00< Zarel> I'm guessing this isn't what you're talking about. :P
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20091212 03:29:09< shadowmaster> Zarel: #defocus is the network's actual social channel
20091212 03:29:30< TheHeir> so Wesnoth is programmed in C++?
20091212 03:29:58< Zarel> Warzone is more hardcore. It's programmed in C. :D
20091212 03:29:59< TheHeir> according to Wikipedia anyways 
20091212 03:30:34< Zarel> _And_ we have a 3D engine and a physics engine!
20091212 03:30:42< TheHeir> how hard is C++ to learn?
20091212 03:30:51< shadowmaster> very
20091212 03:31:21< Zarel> You're better off learning INTERCAL
20091212 03:31:28< shadowmaster> if you aren't prepared to read lots of documentation, then you'll be going around the world talking about how bad C++ is when it actually isn't
20091212 03:31:34< shadowmaster> (the implementors, on the other hand...)
20091212 03:31:48< TheHeir> INTERCAL?
20091212 03:32:01< Zarel> INTERCAL is one of the best programming languages ever.
20091212 03:32:27< Zarel> It's quite innovative in terms of its constructs.
20091212 03:32:37< shadowmaster> Zarel: you NOTICEd me for what?
20091212 03:32:47< Zarel> Erm, nothing.
20091212 03:34:03< TheHeir> I know Turing and Visual Basic
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20091212 03:36:16< Zarel> ...Turing?
20091212 03:36:22< Zarel> Like, you know the guy?
20091212 03:36:35< Aethaeryn> C? C++? Bah. What about Assembly?
20091212 03:36:51< TheHeir> yes
20091212 03:36:55< TheHeir> named after the guy
20091212 03:36:58< Zarel> Oh, there's a programming language called Turing. Didn't know.
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20091212 03:37:10< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: for what platform?
20091212 03:37:23< TheHeir> its a beginner language
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20091212 03:40:57< Aethaeryn> They actually make programming languages for the purpose of teaching programming languages?
20091212 03:41:00< Aethaeryn> What a waste.
20091212 03:42:29< Zarel> Yeah. I just began on C.
20091212 03:42:55< Aethaeryn> Yeah, just begin on what you want to begin on, and avoid Java at all costs because it's crap.
20091212 03:43:04< shadowmaster> I began on BASIC when 5 years old.
20091212 03:43:04< Zarel> Too late.
20091212 03:43:14< shadowmaster> an then went to C# when 14.
20091212 03:43:37< Zarel> ...hrm, well, that's somewhat comparable to my TI-BASIC at 10, C at 11. 
20091212 03:43:40< Aethaeryn> Hmmm, there was some really weird programming language I did in early middle school where you moved a turtle around based on commands.
20091212 03:43:45< Zarel> Logo.
20091212 03:43:52< Aethaeryn> I was about to say Logo.
20091212 03:43:54< Aethaeryn> :P
20091212 03:44:13< Zarel> My university starts off with Scheme.
20091212 03:44:17< Zarel> <3 <3 <3
20091212 03:44:23< Aethaeryn> But other than Logo, I never took another computer/typing/whatever class.
20091212 03:44:27< Aethaeryn> I just chose to test out of 'em.
20091212 03:44:33< Zarel> And then they move on to Java.
20091212 03:44:37< Aethaeryn> (In high school, where a computer class was a requirement)
20091212 03:44:39< Zarel> And then they somehow expect you to know C.
20091212 03:45:18< shadowmaster> Java's grammar is reminiscent of C.
20091212 03:45:18< Aethaeryn> Maybe it's the same reason why I like open source so much, but my philosophy is basically: I'll do whatever the hell I want to do when it comes to computers, and if I ever have to take a class, I'll probably wind up hating it.
20091212 03:45:37< Zarel> Really? I've liked all my CS classes.
20091212 03:46:10< Zarel> Of course, the ones I've been taking are more like "Here is the architecture of a computer" rather than "This is the File menu. This is the Edit menu."
20091212 03:46:13< TheHeir> me too
20091212 03:46:29< Aethaeryn> Eh, I guess the FSF got to me or something. I have a dual boot, but I haven't touched the Vista partition in almost a year and I'm going to try really hard to not touch Windows again for the rest of my college career if possible.
20091212 03:46:48< Aethaeryn> One of the disadvantages is knowing a lot about computers is that I'm also highly opinionated.
20091212 03:46:55< TheHeir> Ive applied to go to Waterloo for CS next year
20091212 03:47:12< Aethaeryn> Macs just don't work with me. I don't hate them, they hate me. For some reason, whenver I use one in a lab, they always crash on me, and I don't even do anything extraordinary with them, just poke around on very basic things.
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20091212 03:48:18< Aethaeryn> Windows, on the other hand, I only used for games... the only non-FOSS/replaceable programs I was using on them. Ironically, after getting an Xbox 360 I don't play Windows games anymore.
20091212 03:48:27< Aethaeryn> Yes, Microsoft killed the last reason for me to use Windows.
20091212 03:49:38< Aethaeryn> And I don't like KDE ever since 4. Many wrong decisions, even in kdegames, which I historically have always liked more than gnome-games even back in the Red Hat Linux days. :(
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20091212 03:50:17< Aethaeryn> And I don't like Ubuntu, the most popular flavor of Linux.
20091212 03:50:32< Aethaeryn> This basically narrows my computer science interests down a lot. :P
20091212 03:51:17< Aethaeryn> Oh, and I don't want to make a living off of computers if that means making/working-with proprietary software. I'd rather go into a totally different field.
20091212 03:51:26< Aethaeryn> Zarel: so, in short, that's why I don't do computer science. :P
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20091212 03:51:42< Aethaeryn> It's not that I'm bad at them, it's that I know too much about them to like the "mainstream" flavors.
20091212 03:52:41< Zarel> "Mainstream"?
20091212 03:52:44< Aethaeryn> That and my traditional conception of Java, one of the more popular languages these days, is the really slow-to-run .jar files of old, so I'll probably never learn Java.
20091212 03:53:12< Zarel> At least here, all CS classes are taught with C, and students have to code in Linux.
20091212 03:53:28< Aethaeryn> Yes, actually, all my CS friends bitch about RHEL sucking.
20091212 03:53:37< shadowmaster> lucky you.
20091212 03:53:41< Aethaeryn> To which I chuckle as I use Fedora, which RHEL is based off of.
20091212 03:53:48< shadowmaster> here it starts with Java, cross-platform, but the labs use Windows XP
20091212 03:53:54< Aethaeryn> Which kind of relates to something esr said in the Cathedral and the Bazaar.
20091212 03:53:57< Aethaeryn> Or at least, hinted at.
20091212 03:54:07< shadowmaster> then it continues with  Microsoft Visual C#.
20091212 03:54:15< Aethaeryn> People don't like doing things they're made to do, and won't make the best code out of mere obligation.
20091212 03:54:16< shadowmaster> emphasis on Microsoft Visual
20091212 03:54:43< Zarel> Yeah, here, it starts with Scheme on emacs on whichever computers the labs happen to be. Sometimes Ubuntu, sometimes Solaris.
20091212 03:54:45< shadowmaster> it's basically why I'm not taking further courses on CS.
20091212 03:54:48< Aethaeryn> Fedora, which has always been my choice to use for years, is great. RHEL, which my friends at college are forced to use, is awful. The difference? High-stress, strict grading, stupid exercises, etc.
20091212 03:55:01< shadowmaster> I'm fine with my self-taught C, C++, Perl and PHP, thank you ;)
20091212 03:55:02< Aethaeryn> They even use emacs (xemacs I think)
20091212 03:55:14< TheHeir> so anybody up for a game of Wesnoth?
20091212 03:55:18< Aethaeryn> The only difference between them and me is compulsion.
20091212 03:55:22< TheHeir> Ive never tried the MP before :P
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20091212 03:55:49< Zarel> Yeah, well, I dunno. At my own pace, I still prefer commercial OSes.
20091212 03:56:07< Aethaeryn> Eh, I just happen to be viciously independent.
20091212 03:56:09< Zarel> Gnome 3 might finally change my opinion, though. We'll see.
20091212 03:56:29< Aethaeryn> Which is the same reason I switched my major from political science in an extremely-Democratic state of Maryland in a public university. :P
20091212 03:56:53< Zarel> To...?
20091212 03:56:57< Aethaeryn> American politics has no room for independents except as "swing voters"
20091212 03:57:00< Aethaeryn> Zarel: Philosophy.
20091212 03:57:22< Zarel> Well, hey, swing voters are the most important parts of an election!
20091212 03:57:39< Zarel> In fact, they're arguably the only ones for whom their vote counts!
20091212 03:57:45< Aethaeryn> Elections are jokes, and have always been, even back in ancient Greece, which everyone points to as the birthplace of "democracy"
20091212 03:57:53< Aethaeryn> Yeah, it was direct and so no elections...
20091212 03:57:55< shadowmaster> gaaa Elections this sunday
20091212 03:58:12< Aethaeryn> But maybe 5% of Athens could participate in their direct democracy?
20091212 03:58:28< Aethaeryn> Democracy has always been a large-tent oligarchy and/or aristocracy by another name.
20091212 03:58:58< Aethaeryn> Just see the likelihood of someone without (1) money, (2) media, (3) party backing can get elected to anything but the localest office.
20091212 03:59:13< Aethaeryn> You have to sell your soul at least once, usually thrice.
20091212 03:59:40< Aethaeryn> (Not saying democracy is bad: show me a better system and I'll show you a liar.)
20091212 03:59:57 * Zarel points to the Commies in China.
20091212 04:00:03< Zarel> They seem to be doing quite well for themselves.
20091212 04:00:08< TheHeir> how do I chat in a game?
20091212 04:00:12< Aethaeryn> Well, that's the problem with politics in general.
20091212 04:00:14< Aethaeryn> TheHeir: "m"
20091212 04:00:14< Zarel> TheHeir: m
20091212 04:00:22< Zarel> ...ninja. :(
20091212 04:00:32< Aethaeryn> Zarel: People look at the most successful country/empire and then emulate their system.
20091212 04:00:34< Zarel> Ah, well, I beat you to Logo. I'm still winning.
20091212 04:00:51< Aethaeryn> There are so many democracies in the world (especially Europe) only because fascism and communism lost to America.
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20091212 04:01:10< Aethaeryn> If Stalin kept on marching west, we'd all be singing praises to communism.
20091212 04:01:36< Zarel> If Hitler had kept his truce with Stalin...
20091212 04:01:49< Aethaeryn> If China does ever pass the US economically, watch many mini-Chinas popping up all over the world.
20091212 04:02:23< Zarel> I dunno. China's improvements are mostly due to deregulation.
20091212 04:02:40< Zarel> By the time they do pass the US, they'll probably be more US-like than the US of today.
20091212 04:02:51< Aethaeryn> Economically, perhaps.
20091212 04:02:59< Aethaeryn> I doubt China will ever become a liberal democracy.
20091212 04:03:04< Aethaeryn> Vastly different in culture.
20091212 04:03:37< Aethaeryn> Remember, Western culture had things like the Enlightenment and whole schools of modern philosophy and science that proceeded political change.
20091212 04:03:54< Zarel> Perhaps not, but they're beginning to experiment with elections.
20091212 04:03:58< Aethaeryn> Even Eastern Europe has trouble implementing democracies, let's not even take into account other centers of culture.
20091212 04:04:35< Aethaeryn> Eh, human nature interferes with the best of systems.
20091212 04:05:05< Aethaeryn> I'm a firm believer of Orwell-style pessimism when it comes to politics.
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20091212 04:05:45< Zarel> I'm just hoping the tree of liberty will be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants before then.
20091212 04:06:28< Zarel> Seems like the only way the US will get better, economically.
20091212 04:06:50< Aethaeryn> I do predict something radical happening to America when it is passed economically.
20091212 04:07:00< Aethaeryn> Every other major power has had internal strife on its way out.
20091212 04:07:06< Aethaeryn> Never helps it, though.
20091212 04:07:40< Aethaeryn> Eh, well, Russia's an arguable case
20091212 04:07:45< Zarel> I just hope I can move back to China when that happens.
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20091212 04:13:42< Aethaeryn> Zarel: to get back a bit on topic... :P
20091212 04:13:53< Aethaeryn> I'll never do computer science because I never want to be paid to do computer science.
20091212 04:14:31< Aethaeryn> (First of all, 90% of CS majors in college want to go into game design. I'd have an advantage in that my interests are mostly elsewhere.)
20091212 04:14:56< Zarel> Mine are... partially elsewhere.
20091212 04:15:13< Zarel> I was in fact focusing mostly on interfacing for more bland stuff, before I got swept up into Warzone.
20091212 04:15:25< Aethaeryn> I'd say mostly elsewhere because I'd be lying to say entirely elsewhere...
20091212 04:15:49< Aethaeryn> I was gonna learn C++ but now I'm switching my interest to C and Gtk+ because I want to make a RISK clone better than ksirk in kdegames
20091212 04:16:07< Aethaeryn> That's not that hard since it's the absolute worst RISK clone I've played and I've played many (Java, .exe freeware, browser-based, etc.)
20091212 04:18:28< Zarel> rofl.
20091212 04:18:41< Zarel> ...why not C++ and Qt? o_O
20091212 04:18:52< Aethaeryn> Because, I'm making it natively for GNOME.
20091212 04:19:23< Aethaeryn> Out of spite, mostly.
20091212 04:19:54< Aethaeryn> You see, besides freeciv and Wesnoth, most of my turn-based-strategy history comes from playing many different flavors of RISK-like games.
20091212 04:20:26< Zarel> Hrm.
20091212 04:20:31< Aethaeryn> Every software starts because of an ich a coder needs to scratch.
20091212 04:20:39< Zarel> How's about just making a SimpleWesnoth?
20091212 04:20:42< Aethaeryn> Mine just happens to be a spiteful ha-ha-it's-for-GNOME itch.
20091212 04:21:08< Aethaeryn> Eh, I'd rather make a RISK-like game with some rather slight Axis and Allies elements (ships)
20091212 04:21:27< Aethaeryn> Tbh, I'm not that interested in mainline Wesnoth at all.
20091212 04:21:55< Aethaeryn> I'm only in Wesnoth because it's so modifiable, and I used to make content for all kinds of RTS games before they became crap in the latest 3D generations.
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20091212 04:22:25< Aethaeryn> (Crap in terms of modification, they're actually a lot more flashy and fancy, but they're rather shallow in that content-creation probably hit its peak in the AoE2 generation of RTS games)
20091212 04:22:45< Zarel> Yeah, content creation is pretty hard in Warzone right now.
20091212 04:22:52< Aethaeryn> (It's kind of like Wesnoth art now and pre-1.0. The better the content, the harder it is to make UMC that compares to the mainline content.)
20091212 04:22:55< Zarel> Well, I guess it's not _that_ hard. But it's not easy, either.
20091212 04:23:23< Aethaeryn> (While there's more UMC now, none of the modern eras come close to Default Era in art or balance.)
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20091212 04:24:31< Zarel> iirc, a few factions, at least, come close.
20091212 04:24:38< Zarel> e.g. devlings.
20091212 04:24:55< Aethaeryn> Perhaps on a unit-to-unit level.
20091212 04:25:18< Aethaeryn> On an era-to-era level, EoM is one of the worst offenders of the popular eras in terms of far-from-mainline standards in art and balance.
20091212 04:27:07< Zarel> I have a few ideas for games I want to make, but I haven't gotten much into coding for much of them.
20091212 04:27:14< Zarel> Part of the problem is because of lack of art.
20091212 04:27:34< Aethaeryn> I can do the rather basic art required to do a RISK clone.
20091212 04:27:37< Aethaeryn> Hell, maps are fun.
20091212 04:27:47< Zarel> So I'd be creating either something with KoL-like graphics, or rip off art from Wesnoth or something.
20091212 04:28:03< Zarel> If I ever make my MMORPG, want to help me do mapping?
20091212 04:28:14< Aethaeryn> Eh, MMORPGs aren't my cup of tea.
20091212 04:28:25< Aethaeryn> They either suck or they are more addictive than crack.
20091212 04:28:35< Aethaeryn> And I already don't see much Sun :P
20091212 04:29:02< Zarel> Hey, I'm just asking you to help me with mapping, not with playtesting. ;)
20091212 04:30:31< Aethaeryn> There's three reasons I like Wesnoth: (1) really easy to modify, (2) really active (every other FOSS game it seems you can leave for a year and see no major improvements), (3) I can not play it or even check its community for weeks at a time and nothing happens.
20091212 04:30:59< Aethaeryn> (1) only relates to strategy or RPG games. I've never been into modding the other types.
20091212 04:31:12< Zarel> Aethaeryn: (2) SO DOESN'T APPLY TO WARZONE
20091212 04:31:47< Aethaeryn> (3) is really key because any MMO (especially the text-in-browser and Facebook games) basically exist for you to check them at least once a day.
20091212 04:32:30< Aethaeryn> And it really gets to be a chore after about a month.
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20091212 04:33:03< Aethaeryn> Zarel: Besides, I'm probably going to move further and further away from games.
20091212 04:33:27< Aethaeryn> I like creating games more than I like playing them, really. That's probably why my newer maps are so imbalanced :P
20091212 04:33:32< Zarel> Heh.
20091212 04:33:35< Zarel> Same here.
20091212 04:33:42< Zarel> I remember when I first got into Warzone.
20091212 04:33:54< Zarel> And one of the devs, Buginator, was like "I haven't played Warzone in months."
20091212 04:33:57< Aethaeryn> So I suspect as I grow older, I'll probably do less games and more "other stuff"
20091212 04:33:59< Zarel> And I was lik :O :O :O :O
20091212 04:34:02< Zarel> And now I'm like that, too.
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20091212 04:34:27< Aethaeryn> For instance, I'm finding gnome-shell more awesome than Wesnoth 1.7 right now, which is why I've been neglecting some of my plans atm. :P
20091212 04:36:25< Zarel> But I dunno. You might like my MMOTBRPG.
20091212 04:36:50< Zarel> It _doesn't_ exist to be checked at least once a day. I'm planning on setting the level cap at 5, after which there's no further progression.
20091212 04:37:23< Aethaeryn> Zarel: Do you intend on making money off of it?
20091212 04:37:31< Zarel> Only a bit.
20091212 04:37:38< Aethaeryn> How?
20091212 04:37:50< Zarel> Advertising.
20091212 04:38:02< Aethaeryn> Doesn't really work that well.
20091212 04:38:07< Zarel> Hence "only a bit"
20091212 04:38:29< Aethaeryn> Unless you intend to have Coca Cola Shields of Protection and Dunkin' Doughnut Hammers
20091212 04:38:49< Aethaeryn> that would be effective advertizing in a free game
20091212 04:39:12< Aethaeryn> Heavy product placement, if done right, can be properly used in a parody/not-that-serious situation.
20091212 04:39:24< Aethaeryn> Look at half of the Blockbuster comedies in the last 20 years :P
20091212 04:40:25< Zarel> I dunno how I'm going to handle items.
20091212 04:40:49< Aethaeryn> idk why I capitalized Blockbuster, except for product placement? ;)
20091212 04:43:33< Aethaeryn> Anyway, you need strong motivation to make something you're not going to profit from.
20091212 04:44:07< Zarel> I dunno.
20091212 04:45:24< Zarel> Have I shown you this? http://zarelsl.deviantart.com/art/Map-of-Land-of-Mystic-Stuff-79319741
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20091212 05:10:32< VurtualRuler98> That strong motivation is one of the four internet forces, strong egotistical force.
20091212 05:11:44< VurtualRuler98> Along with weak egotistical force, stupidity, and eletroaddiction, they make our internet the dysfunctional wonderland it is.
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20091212 09:58:50< Soliton> BubbaT: look at the statistics, select losses and click details. that lists all of them not just the last few though.
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20091212 13:22:49< ursus> Hello!
20091212 13:23:17< ursus> I need some help with multiplayer game, if you can help, please answer. :)
20091212 13:24:09< ursus> I have one computer, and Battle for Wesnoth 1.6. Is it possible to play a multiplayer game on one computer?
20091212 13:24:20< ursus> I mean not using internet, just a local one.
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20091212 13:26:47< ursus> Is somebody active here now?
20091212 13:26:48< ursus> :)
20091212 13:28:21< Soliton> choose multiplayer and local game.
20091212 13:29:24< ursus> Yes, I did it.
20091212 13:29:43< ursus> How can I give a nickname for the other player?
20091212 13:30:59< Soliton> you can't.
20091212 13:31:22< Soliton> you can rename the king in-game though.
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20091212 13:36:04< ursus> Soliton, thank you. And a last "wish": I would like to get the name of the player who is on turn. I mean when a new round starts, I would like to know, who's turn it is. Is it possible?
20091212 13:38:51< Soliton> mouse over the flag next to the number of turns.
20091212 13:41:19< ursus> Thank you very much! Have a nice day. :)
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20091212 14:48:42< Ken_Oh> wesbot seen thespaceinvader
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20091212 14:49:00< thespaceinvader> Ken_Oh: what do you want?
20091212 14:49:19< Ken_Oh> hey. just fooling around with wesbot
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20091212 18:25:03< joshua> is anybody else here a three star programmer?
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20091212 18:36:21< ceninan> joshua___, you mean in the "writes unneccerarily obfuscated code" sense, or in the "_capable_ of writing (unneccesarily) obfuscated code" sense?
20091212 18:36:44< ceninan> (and sorry, but neither; try ##c though)
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20091212 18:54:44< joshua___> I have it in my toolset for the .01% of the time it's better that way
20091212 18:58:37< ceninan> joshua___, you're in the second camp then; I respect that skill :)
20091212 18:59:10< joshua___> ceninan: thanks
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20091212 19:07:12< promising> hi
20091212 19:07:18< promising> can someone please help
20091212 19:07:29< Espreon> Just ask.
20091212 19:07:40< Espreon> ... your question.
20091212 19:08:01< promising> I'm here first time so I don't know if I am on the right place
20091212 19:08:26< promising> I just downloaded wesnoth version 1.6.5 yesterday..adn wanted to play for the first time
20091212 19:08:49< promising> and I couldn't join the main server...it says that I am banned
20091212 19:10:44< promising> can someone help?
20091212 19:10:48< Espreon> For dealings with supposed bans, I'd join #wesnoth-mp , where the MP admins congregate.
20091212 19:11:23< promising> thanks...I'll check there...but I just downloaded,can't see the reason why anyone would bann me
20091212 19:11:30< zookeeper> it's probably just that some existing ban has a somewhat wide mask
20091212 19:11:48< zookeeper> meaning that you happen to have almost the same ip address than some troublemaker
20091212 19:11:54< promising> it says banned...reason:idiot...?????
20091212 19:12:11< promising> is that a joke or what?
20091212 19:12:34< zookeeper> as i said
20091212 19:12:34< Espreon> Uh, the ban was probably intended for someone else.
20091212 19:13:18< zookeeper> i don't have time to sort it out now (since i'd need to take some time to figure out how), but some other MP admin will probably take notice soon enough..
20091212 19:14:29< promising> thanks..I posted it at wesnoth-mp
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20091212 20:45:58-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.6.5 | latest development version: 1.7.9 aka 1.8-beta2 | public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com
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20091212 22:27:25< SekoIdiootti> bye, I go now
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20091212 22:56:19< Pillz> will the next major release of wesnoth work properly with sld 1.2.14?
20091212 22:56:22< Pillz> *sdl
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