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20091213 10:42:25< Ivanovic> moin
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20091213 14:29:07< moraes> hi. what the number preceding the terrain code means in a map? like: 2 Ke
20091213 14:29:57< moraes> sorry. found it. "Starting positions are defined by a number followed by 1 space and then the terrain string"
20091213 14:32:21< moraes> not sure what the number means though. or if it can be any number.
20091213 14:32:46< shadowmaster> it means the side number.
20091213 14:33:28< shadowmaster> every player (computer or human player) has a unique side number asigned from 1 to 9 on the map (this does not mean that there can be up to 9 players; I have made maps with up to 14 players with some tricky WML)
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20091213 14:51:14< moraes> ok, thank you.
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20091213 14:52:35< moraes> that makes sense :)
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20091213 16:28:06< moraes> i've been playing with the idea of a browser-based wesnoth
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20091213 16:28:32< shadowmaster> that means you've tried to implement it? ;)
20091213 16:28:47< moraes> not tried, actually :-P
20091213 16:29:03< moraes> i have the map rendering engine done already, using html5 canvas
20091213 16:29:10< moraes> one thing i'm tempted to do is to make the hexagons regular so that i can reuse terrains
20091213 16:29:38< moraes> which is kinda sad but default terrain images drop from 4.5Mb to 1.7Mb with this single change
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20091213 16:31:35< moraes> i mean. the terrain intersections. with a regular hexagon i can just have 1 side intersection and reuse it, rotating for more sides.
20091213 16:32:21< moraes> quite neat
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20091213 16:34:28< moraes> the hexagons become 72x62 instead of 72x72. it's not noticeable, but i'm not sure of other implications i'll find on the road.
20091213 16:35:05< shadowmaster> I'm not sure it's "not noticeable".
20091213 16:35:33< shadowmaster> some people (especially artists) do notice any little quirks with ease
20091213 16:35:52< moraes> well meaybe it is for wesnoth artists/devs, but see. it's for a good cause. it must load fast. engine is on the web.
20091213 16:35:53< shadowmaster> atm I'm looking at a Wordpress blog using the default template and noticing the JPEG compression artifacts ;)
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20091213 16:40:17< moraes> see the images resized: http://imagebin.org/75329
20091213 16:40:48< moraes> (I won't resize units, I was just testing the resize algorithms)
20091213 16:40:55< SekoIdiootti> the mages ate anti-mushrooms. :)
20091213 16:41:17< moraes> the units don't need resize, can be used as is as far as i saw
20091213 16:41:42< moraes> the bottom one is the worst of course
20091213 16:42:20< moraes> 3rd and 4rd are the best for this resizing, except by the mage i could not see difference
20091213 16:42:21< shadowmaster> ew, blurry ;)
20091213 16:42:29< moraes> only bottom one is blurred
20091213 16:42:35< moraes> others are not
20091213 16:42:42< shadowmaster> yes, that made me think it was a problem with my eyes.
20091213 16:43:05< SekoIdiootti> I see others are blurred too... hmm, weird.
20091213 16:43:11< moraes> bottom one is BILINEAR. bad.
20091213 16:43:26< moraes> really? I need better glasses maybe.
20091213 16:43:49< SekoIdiootti> well, actually I'm the one in need of glasses
20091213 16:43:56< shadowmaster> there's some blurriness in the rest, esepcially the third row, but it's not as noticeable
20091213 16:44:09< moraes> i see no difference in the 2nd one for example, apart the different height
20091213 16:44:18< SekoIdiootti> oh, yay, I'm not that bad eyed then.
20091213 16:45:29< moraes> each row is a different algo. first is original, then NEAREST, BICUBIC, ANTIALIAS and BILINEAR 
20091213 16:46:06< moraes> except for the mage, nearest seems the best.
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20091213 16:48:09< moraes> anyway. i'm still looking at it. changing back to original proportion is not hard, i've automatized the sprite creation.
20091213 16:52:35< moraes> html5 canvas is fun! :)
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20091213 18:50:03< Cloud> Why hello everyone (first time properly on irc :P)
20091213 18:50:08< shadowmaster> hi there
20091213 18:50:32< SekoIdiootti> yay, Cloud!
20091213 18:51:04< Cloud> yay... I have no idea who you actually are (I have a bad memory on good days)
20091213 18:51:07< shadowmaster> I advice you switch nicknames; that one is registered and the person could decide to ghost (terminate) your connection if they notice
20091213 18:51:15< shadowmaster> SekoIdiootti is Woodmouse, sadly.
20091213 18:51:24< Cloud> ohia woodmouse
20091213 18:51:28< SekoIdiootti> lol
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20091213 18:51:41< SoftlySplinter> backup nick then
20091213 18:52:28< SoftlySplinter> so how is everyone this fine... hmm is it day or is it eve (ten to six is an odd time)
20091213 18:53:56< shadowmaster> it's 2:53 pm for me ;)
20091213 18:54:13< Woodmouse> I'm fine, like always. But I'm making a new portrait (for a thief or rogue) so no one else is fine, at least not when I post it!
20091213 18:55:24< SoftlySplinter> :P
20091213 18:55:41< shadowmaster> yes, that cannot end well.
20091213 18:56:30< Woodmouse> also... does it have to have that blue hair like the sprite? Can it be gray? I mean... yeah, I know it won't get committed, but... I just want to ask in case a miracle would happen, lol...
20091213 18:56:47< SoftlySplinter> it's something in the description
20091213 18:57:17< SoftlySplinter> can't remember offhand
20091213 18:57:34< shadowmaster> Woodmouse: no, such a miracle won't happen. We already have kitty's marvelous portraits for the outlaw unit sets
20091213 18:58:07< Woodmouse> yeah, I know, but there are alternate portraits for some Dwarves, if I remember correctly.
20091213 18:58:12< shadowmaster> you'd have to be very, very close in style and expertise to come up with an appropriate alternative portrait for hiding in mainline
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20091213 18:58:29 * Turuk sees the coming of the end of the world if such an event would occur.
20091213 18:58:39< SoftlySplinter> o_o
20091213 18:59:03< Turuk> So a rogue... dwarf?
20091213 18:59:32< Woodmouse> Lol. No, I meant... umm... a rogue. But there are stuff for Dwarves!
20091213 19:00:46< SoftlySplinter> *should think about cooking dinner sometime soon*
20091213 19:02:12< Turuk> Well, leaps and bounds are needed either way.
20091213 19:02:21 * Turuk wonders what Cloud is making him for dinner.
20091213 19:03:03< SoftlySplinter> I wonder too
20091213 19:03:14< Woodmouse> argh, I won't finish the portrait... looked horrible. I'll do some sprites instead.
20091213 19:04:12< SoftlySplinter> I should really get back into spriting, and finish off this semester's worksheets and do some revision...
20091213 19:04:16< Woodmouse> oh, and Turuk, I must thank you. :) I mean, for not locking the Swamp Dwarf thread. I'm now making more those, so it'll have a mega monster bump, I hope you don't mind.
20091213 19:04:48< Turuk> Nope.
20091213 19:05:51< Woodmouse> But I still am having problems with the proportions... They always end up being human size...
20091213 19:06:48< Zarel> Turuk: New theme? Do tell.
20091213 19:07:09< Turuk> Zarel: See your wesnoth-umc-dev
20091213 19:09:57< SoftlySplinter> I generally try and sprite against a similar unit, so I can roughly get the proportions right (then again I'm terrible at making sprites from scratch)
20091213 19:11:31< Woodmouse> hmm... I do that too, but I still get the proportions wrong...
20091213 19:12:43 * SoftlySplinter shrugs
20091213 19:16:12< SoftlySplinter> anyways I'm off to cook, see you folks later
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20091213 19:35:50< Woodmouse> How can it be... that my old slinger's shadow is the new color!?
20091213 19:36:13< Woodmouse> (the Swamp Dwarf slinger)
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20091213 20:13:50< Woodmouse> I posted the new Swamp Dwarf... He looks weird. :|
20091213 20:14:42< Woodmouse> (one reason is because it looks like he'd have a lock in his d**k. D:)
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20091213 20:27:59< WinXPNewb> What's the command to message someone in multiplayer?
20091213 20:28:21< WinXPNewb> ...and is there a particular multiplayer campaign add-on that's especially popular?
20091213 20:29:00< BenUrban> how many people here who are not afk find woodmouse annoying?
20091213 20:29:18< Woodmouse> :o
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20091213 20:54:11< moraes> me! me!
20091213 20:54:34< Woodmouse> lol... I'm not annoying. 
20091213 20:56:25< thespaceinvader> not as much as you used to be, anyway :P
20091213 20:57:02< Woodmouse> hmm, why was I more annoying, btw? because I sucked so bad at making sprites and tried to make portraits?
20091213 20:57:41< moraes> which ones. let me see and i'll say if you suck indeed, which is most likely.
20091213 20:58:18< Woodmouse> I'm not giving a link, because people said so
20091213 20:58:42< moraes> why?
20091213 20:58:57< shadowmaster> it's because you didn't even try to improve.
20091213 20:59:00< thespaceinvader> more because you didn't realise your limitations, woodmouse
20091213 20:59:06< Woodmouse> :o
20091213 20:59:08< Woodmouse> how so?
20091213 20:59:27< moraes> back to the middle issue. why links are not allowed?
20091213 20:59:33< Woodmouse> what "limitations"?
20091213 21:01:03< thespaceinvader> that every time we sent you off to practice for a few months, and told you you weren't remotely close to ready for mainline, you;d be back the next week going 'is this better'
20091213 21:01:06< moraes> saw some of your sprites in the forum. they look cute to me.
20091213 21:01:30< moraes> aw man how people can make cute graphics?
20091213 21:01:35< Woodmouse> tsi: ohh. hmmm, yeah...
20091213 21:04:01< Woodmouse> moraes: Cute...? (SORRY, I give link) http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=394024#p394024
20091213 21:04:24< moraes> what is a "frankie" sprite?
20091213 21:04:33< Woodmouse> frankenstined
20091213 21:04:41< Woodmouse> made of pieces of mainline sprites
20091213 21:05:07< moraes> Woodmouse, yes, mas. http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd341/woodmouse_/magerider.png <- this is awesome
20091213 21:05:10< moraes> *man
20091213 21:05:30< Woodmouse> haha, I just pasted the mage on the horse, lol
20091213 21:05:37< moraes> haha
20091213 21:05:41< moraes> oh. that is frankie.
20091213 21:05:45< moraes> :D
20091213 21:05:48< Woodmouse> lol, yeah
20091213 21:05:54< Woodmouse> but see the link I gave
20091213 21:05:55< Woodmouse> xD
20091213 21:06:19< Woodmouse> OMG, I noticed a BIG typo I've done... "banana" instead of "bandana"... :O
20091213 21:06:30< Woodmouse> But I won't fix it. I like it how banana fits there, lol
20091213 21:07:58< moraes> they look a bit too pixelated, those ones
20091213 21:10:41 * moraes goes back to his wwwesnoth adventure
20091213 21:12:00< moraes> a 50x50 map takes .350 seconds to render \o/
20091213 21:12:43< Woodmouse> I still dream of the 2000x2000 map...
20091213 21:12:52< moraes> using google chrome. IE would take like 17 hours i bet.
20091213 21:13:55< moraes> Woodmouse,  it is possible
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20091213 21:14:11< moraes> need to do it in pieces then
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20091213 21:14:35< Woodmouse> yeah, I know... But... I once made something like that. But it didn't load long, but the turns... took forever.
20091213 21:14:47< moraes> aah
20091213 21:14:50< Woodmouse> it was 900x1800 I think
20091213 21:14:56< moraes> aff
20091213 21:15:29< moraes> i tried one with 1000x1000. firefox almost crashed my computer and chrome displayed nothing.
20091213 21:15:49< Woodmouse> hmmmm?
20091213 21:16:01< Woodmouse> browsers... wesnoth?
20091213 21:16:03< Woodmouse> hmmm
20091213 21:16:05< Woodmouse> ...?
20091213 21:16:06< Woodmouse> :O
20091213 21:16:26< moraes> i started a little adventure. wesnoth in a browser, yes.
20091213 21:16:51< Woodmouse> ooh
20091213 21:17:08< moraes> no idea how far it'll go but it is being interesting to learn some HTML5 tricks :P
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20091213 21:18:11< Woodmouse> ok
20091213 21:18:13< shadowmaster> cd /srv
20091213 21:18:13< Woodmouse> :D
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20091213 21:28:22< moraes> all terrains are in a big image and terrain info points to the image + coordinates :D
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20091213 21:28:47< SoftlySplinter> hello again
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20091213 21:43:32< moraes> SekoIdiootti, keep practicing!
20091213 21:43:45< SekoIdiootti> lol
20091213 21:44:21< moraes> SekoIdiootti, make a like of whelps. i don't remember seeing whelp units. and whelps are so cute.
20091213 21:44:26< moraes> *a line
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20091213 21:46:11< moraes> dragonlings, i mean
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20091213 21:47:22< SekoIdiootti> hmm
20091213 21:47:23< SekoIdiootti> lol
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20091213 22:43:35< SoftlySplinter> gah always get the wrong slash _-_
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