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20091222 00:46:47< Aethaeryn> ...
20091222 00:46:58< Aethaeryn> Needless stress completely ruins the point of holidays.
20091222 00:47:37< Aethaeryn> People work too hard for Christmas.
20091222 00:47:56< shadowmaster> I can't have fun.
20091222 00:58:27< stork_> it does make that moment when you get to relax that much better, though
20091222 01:00:32< ardesh> O_o
20091222 01:01:18< stork_> life without contrast is beige
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20091222 01:02:53< Aethaeryn> Eh, idk... When I have a family of my own, I think I'll just eat at a restaurant or something on Christmas and not spend 3 weeks on the verge of a heart-attack just for one meal.
20091222 01:03:14< ardesh> löl
20091222 01:03:16< ardesh> naaah
20091222 01:03:18< Aethaeryn> I mean, the really high price of eating out < the really high price of medical bills for the extra stress.
20091222 01:03:20< ardesh> cooking is nice @ xmas
20091222 01:03:42< ardesh> because u have the time to prepare some good dishes
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20091222 01:05:11< stork_> it's all about gluttony
20091222 01:05:22< stork_> but yeah getting stressed out over cooking sucks, my parents do it a lot
20091222 01:05:47< Espreon> Ah, Yuletide cooking... how fun...
20091222 01:06:40< Aethaeryn> Eh, it's not just cooking. It's cleaning, too. And shovelling the 2 feet of snow in a December-record blizzard. :P
20091222 01:06:49< Espreon> Yeah...
20091222 01:06:53< Aethaeryn> I'm spent already from the shovelling and it's only the 21st
20091222 01:07:54< stork_> speaking of shovelling
20091222 01:08:06< stork_> our car is half way down our street, it wouldn't make it up the hill
20091222 01:08:15< stork_> never seen snow like this before 
20091222 01:08:52< stork_> only a few inches mind but us brits are ill prepared for anything more of a light breeze [and even then we get antsy]
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20091222 01:37:32< Aethaeryn> stork_: 23'' is very unusual for Maryland in December.
20091222 01:37:43< Aethaeryn> As in, it's probably the largest recorded snowfall for December and one of the top 5 all time.
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20091222 01:42:39< stork_> damn
20091222 01:43:00< stork_> the uk would probably just sink
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20091222 01:49:40< Aethaeryn> stork_: Maryland's a middle state too... No wonder so many English colonists didn't survive New England winters in colonial times. :P
20091222 01:56:57< Aethaeryn> America gets *lots* of snow... I guess England only gets lots of rain. ;)
20091222 01:58:31< Aethaeryn> (I do respect the UK though. Winston Churchill > FDR, imo, in terms of personality of WW2 leaders... Some of the variant spellings are cooler (such as "armour")... and Earl Gray Tea is good.)
20091222 01:59:11< Aethaeryn> (Oh, and Britain has some good music... And Gordon Ramsay is awesome on TV)
20091222 01:59:29< VurtualRuler98> I only get a few feet of snow.
20091222 01:59:36< VurtualRuler98> Also, FDR was awesome
20091222 01:59:50< VurtualRuler98> He got us out of a depression, and everyone else went in one.
20091222 01:59:52< Aethaeryn> I didn't say that FDR wasn't awesome, I'm just saying that Churchill is *awesomer* :P
20091222 01:59:58< VurtualRuler98> FDR is awesomer.
20091222 02:00:02< Aethaeryn> Also, World War II got us out of a depression, not FDR
20091222 02:00:09< VurtualRuler98> FDR using world war 2.
20091222 02:00:11< Aethaeryn> When you're the industrial machine of the Allies, that gets employment right there.
20091222 02:00:25< Aethaeryn> Idk, I like Teddy Roosevelt more than FDR...
20091222 02:00:31< Aethaeryn> Teddy Roosevelt did so many awesome things.
20091222 02:00:44< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Don't forget... great language... (best before Norman Conquest of course).
20091222 02:00:59< VurtualRuler98> Abraham Lincoln was an awesome president too.
20091222 02:01:17< Aethaeryn> Lincoln and TR are probably the awesomest historical Republicans.
20091222 02:01:35< Aethaeryn> Jefferson is probably my favorite Democrat...
20091222 02:02:00< VurtualRuler98> Also, earl gray tea is only awesome if Sir Patrick Stewart is involved.
20091222 02:02:13< VurtualRuler98> We must drink American tea in America.
20091222 02:02:15< VurtualRuler98> Mountain Dew.
20091222 02:02:19< Aethaeryn> ...
20091222 02:02:22< Aethaeryn> Soda is overrated.
20091222 02:02:27< Espreon> Indeed.
20091222 02:02:32< Aethaeryn> And rots teeth far more than English tea :P
20091222 02:02:32< VurtualRuler98> It is the lifeblood of American culture.
20091222 02:02:37< Espreon> Ugh....
20091222 02:02:40 * Espreon vomits.
20091222 02:02:45< Aethaeryn> If we keep up soda-consumption, Brits will be making fun of *our* teeth eventually.
20091222 02:02:53< VurtualRuler98> My teeth are fine.
20091222 02:03:00< VurtualRuler98> I can drink a gallon in an hour.
20091222 02:03:00 * Espreon does not like his native meta-culture.
20091222 02:03:08< Aethaeryn> Note that teeth rot on older people, not younger people.
20091222 02:03:30< VurtualRuler98> Generally only 40oz or 30oz a day.
20091222 02:03:30< Aethaeryn> I assume that you're under 35 based on the fact that you're in an IRC channel for a minor game.
20091222 02:03:42< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, don't be so sure of yourself.
20091222 02:03:56< VurtualRuler98> I could be just some old guy who likes strategy games.
20091222 02:04:11< Aethaeryn> Yes, but you're not in #Wesnoth-dev :P
20091222 02:04:21< VurtualRuler98> It's not that great of a strategy game.
20091222 02:04:23< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: you aassume too much.
20091222 02:05:03< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I assume that the main group of regulars are between 16 and 26 on average, with the outliers spending far less time on IRC chat (though perhaps spending more time in active development)...
20091222 02:05:18< Aethaeryn> And that one poll kind of supports my theory, actually suggesting that it might be under 16 :o
20091222 02:05:26< shadowmaster> as I said, you assume too much.
20091222 02:05:38< VurtualRuler98> I can just imagine an 8 year old playing with legos and programming the next release.
20091222 02:05:44< shadowmaster> there are many older people on IRC, nad there have been older Wesnoth players
20091222 02:05:52< Aethaeryn> I know there are older people on IRC
20091222 02:06:14< Aethaeryn> But I assume that a lot of them prefer #fedora or #rhel to #wesnoth
20091222 02:06:29< shadowmaster> and there have been older Wesnoth players
20091222 02:06:29< Aethaeryn> (oooh, my distro biases show)
20091222 02:06:35< Aethaeryn> And yes, I know there are.
20091222 02:06:36< VurtualRuler98> Back in maah day, we had M1 Garands.
20091222 02:06:40< Aethaeryn> Thanatos is a teacher...
20091222 02:06:46< Aethaeryn> esr is a respected open-source developer...
20091222 02:06:52< VurtualRuler98> And before that, bows!
20091222 02:06:57< Aethaeryn> And there are a handful of others I've seen comment about their age or hint regularly.
20091222 02:07:08< Aethaeryn> Still, I would say that *most* adult players are in their 20s.
20091222 02:07:21< Aethaeryn> Maybe not even most developers...
20091222 02:07:43< Aethaeryn> I'd suggest that the average age shifts up when you go from casual player (could be a kid) to regular to developer
20091222 02:07:50< Aethaeryn> Talking about averages here.
20091222 02:08:07< VurtualRuler98> Wesnoth is made by a bunch of old guys who just hate youngins and have random number based combat to make them understand the harsher side of life.
20091222 02:08:22< Espreon> Sigh...
20091222 02:08:27< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth is sponsored by AARP... :o
20091222 02:08:40< shadowmaster> sigh indeed.
20091222 02:08:42< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth puts the RP in AARP
20091222 02:08:43< VurtualRuler98> The setting is based on their highschool years.
20091222 02:09:09< shadowmaster> turin was around 13 when he first joined IIRC
20091222 02:09:27< Aethaeryn> Yes, I realize that there are 13 y/os who are active contributors. And there are 50 y/os who are active contributors.
20091222 02:09:35< Aethaeryn> I still think that the median, if not the average, lies in the 20s.
20091222 02:10:01< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: that doesn't matter. .You were assuming VurtualRuler98's age originally
20091222 02:11:07< VurtualRuler98> ...
20091222 02:11:14< VurtualRuler98> Two periods? What?
20091222 02:12:04< Aethaeryn> Well, if the median age is in the 20s, I can assume that most people who do not imply/state otherwise are somewhere in the 16-35 age group.
20091222 02:12:12< Aethaeryn> Which is a pretty broad range.
20091222 02:13:00< Aethaeryn> If you assume 16-35, you may be wrong as much as 50% of the time (I don't have actual statistics), but you will be more right than assuming other age ranges.
20091222 02:13:16< shadowmaster> blah blah. Oh look, a butterfly!
20091222 02:13:21 * shadowmaster runs after it
20091222 02:13:40< Espreon> Oh look, something better to do!
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20091222 02:14:54< VurtualRuler98> oh look a flight simulator
20091222 02:15:05< Aethaeryn> oh look, a penguin
20091222 02:15:11< Aethaeryn> looks like it *did* snow a little too much
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20091222 07:02:56< xinming> Hi, Anyone here can test a bug with me?
20091222 07:03:13< xinming> Need to confirm.
20091222 07:03:34< xinming> Need to confirm wether happens to other people
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20091222 11:03:07< Ivanovic> moin
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20091222 13:14:00< kerros> there is this stupid bug, where wesnoth doesn't register mouseclicks in windowed mode anymore, only when you are pressing the right mousebutton while pressing the left. downgrading sdl helps, but this has been around for ages. is that fixed in newer versions? I am on 1.6.5
20091222 13:14:15< kerros> meaning in the unstable versions
20091222 13:17:30< Ivanovic> not a wesnoth bug
20091222 13:17:48< Ivanovic> downgrade to libsdl-1.2.13
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20091222 13:32:37< kerros> Ivanovic: right
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20091222 16:07:25< stork_> god this game takes time
20091222 16:11:25< VurtualRuler98> mhm
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20091222 18:57:32< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20091222 20:12:47< skyfaller> hey folks... do you know who runs the ladder? the ladder website is down
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20091222 20:51:13< moraes> oooh the new forum look is cool
20091222 20:51:42< Blarumyrran> No it doesn't
20091222 20:52:12< Blarumyrran> It's way too saturated, and the background colors of alterating posts could differ more
20091222 20:53:16< moraes> meh
20091222 20:53:23< moraes> better than the default phpbb colors
20091222 20:53:32< moraes> can be improved, but it is better already ;)
20091222 20:53:36< Blarumyrran> Nah
20091222 20:53:51< Blarumyrran> default phpbb colors are 1) less saturated, 2) have more distinct alterating colors
20091222 20:53:53< Ivanovic> moraes: the theme is alreafy available for >18 months
20091222 20:54:03< Ivanovic> it was just not the default
20091222 20:54:07< moraes> argh is it? 
20091222 20:54:15< Ivanovic> and people are free to change their theme, as they like
20091222 20:54:20< Ivanovic> there is a reason that we offer *several*
20091222 20:54:27< moraes> well i'm not even registered neither ever posted, just today googled for something and thought it had changed
20091222 20:54:30< Blarumyrran> I wouldn't mind it if it didn't show when you aren't logged on
20091222 20:55:43< Ivanovic> Blarumyrran: ehm, of course you can only change the theme to use when you are logged in
20091222 20:55:54< Blarumyrran> exactly
20091222 20:55:56< Ivanovic> so log in and you can change it to something that suits yourself better
20091222 20:56:29< Blarumyrran> Can I be logged on forever after logging in once?
20091222 20:57:21< moraes> i also prefer minimalism, like... this: http://vanillaforums.org/discussion/10300/we-want-your-input-on-vanilla-1.2
20091222 20:58:06< moraes> few lines, few clutter 
20091222 20:59:25< Blarumyrran> Not using the whole horizontal length is bad though
20091222 20:59:53< moraes> yeah, I agree.
20091222 21:00:30< Blarumyrran> I think using avatars&usernames _between_ posts as they are there is bad too
20091222 21:01:18< moraes> nah this is cool. more modern, looks like comments we see everywhere.
20091222 21:01:31< moraes> it becomes more like a conversation
20091222 21:01:33< Blarumyrran> It distracts from the text
20091222 21:02:19< Blarumyrran> With avatars/usernames in separate column, it forms a neat grid where you can read comments in a continous sequence without such metainfo between
20091222 21:02:45< moraes> indeed
20091222 21:03:02< Ivanovic> Blarumyrran: you can stay logged in
20091222 21:03:16< Ivanovic> just don't delete your cookies and select "stay logged in"
20091222 21:03:24< Blarumyrran> Ok
20091222 21:03:36< Blarumyrran> Under profile settings?
20091222 21:06:44 * Blarumyrran can't find the option
20091222 21:07:24< Ivanovic> logout
20091222 21:07:35< Ivanovic> when logging in there is a checkbox named "stay logged in"
20091222 21:08:05< Blarumyrran> I see "Log me on automatically each visit"
20091222 21:08:11< Blarumyrran> Is that the same?
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20091222 21:13:18< Ivanovic> jupp
20091222 21:13:24< Ivanovic> that's it
20091222 21:13:58< Ivanovic> now just make sure that your browser does *not* automatically remove cookies when you close it
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20091222 23:41:01< moraes> you know, regular hexagons actually look nicer. more fat and rounded.
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20091222 23:56:23< Blarumyrran> Yeah, and wesnoth hexes don't make any sense perpective-wise
20091222 23:56:42< Blarumyrran> They should be wider horizontally instead of thinner
20091222 23:58:27< Aethaeryn> I think a lot of terrain graphics are bound by tradition
20091222 23:58:48< Aethaeryn> In other words, I'm pretty sure if Jetrel and the other artists made Wesnoth from-scratch today knowing what they know now, they'd probably do things like having a definite scale.
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20091222 23:59:39< Blarumyrran> Today I noticed a funny thing
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