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20091228 01:38:39< Svarryus> guys did anybody compiled wesnoth on linpus??
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20091228 10:29:20< Ivanovic> moin
20091228 10:30:00< sacho_> happy holidaze. (:
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20091228 16:56:19< The_horrible_one> Hello.
20091228 16:56:25< Soul_keeper> Good Work.
20091228 16:56:59< The_horrible_one> Will Wesnoth team release a paper wargame?
20091228 16:57:43< Soul_keeper> you mean like a board game ?  chess thru the mail ?
20091228 16:58:27< The_horrible_one> I mean, a tabletop wargame with paper figures.
20091228 17:00:59< The_horrible_one> Wesnoth team would get just enough $ from the paper wargame.
20091228 17:01:30< Soul_keeper> dunno
20091228 17:03:20< The_horrible_one> Beware of Google, the monster protecting you is able to swallow you.
20091228 17:04:13< Soul_keeper> excellent advice :)
20091228 17:04:34< The_horrible_one> Wesnoth can become the basis of "Google Games" - a new part of Google.
20091228 17:04:56< The_horrible_one> and I do not want Google to start making games like Microsoft
20091228 17:05:06-!- The_horrible_one is now known as GeorgeGhoal
20091228 17:08:13< GeorgeGhoal> (:() Google is a monster.
20091228 17:09:30< sacho_> A very enticing monster. (:
20091228 17:10:06< Blarumyrran> Is every big company a monster?
20091228 17:10:26< GeorgeGhoal> not every big company, only super-giants.
20091228 17:11:59< GeorgeGhoal> like Y@h00, M!cr0$0f7 or 600613
20091228 17:12:39< Blarumyrran> u r 1337
20091228 17:13:29< GeorgeGhoal> I only use 1337 for mega-bad words like names of those companies.
20091228 17:14:02< Blarumyrran> You already said "(:() Google is a monster." though
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20091228 17:14:12< Blarumyrran> Now black helicopters will arrive and kidnap your family
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20091228 17:15:05< GeorgeGhoal> that company earned $ by having a slightly better search method.
20091228 17:15:25< Blarumyrran> Slightly, compared to what?
20091228 17:15:37< Blarumyrran> Eg the difference with Bing is enormous
20091228 17:15:51< Blarumyrran> I'd go so far as to say Bing is unusable merely because its algorithm is so bad
20091228 17:16:16< GeorgeGhoal> Adding 3 lines of new code to average search engine...
20091228 17:16:57< GeorgeGhoal> slash it, 600613 started as students' search engine
20091228 17:17:46< GeorgeGhoal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google
20091228 17:18:00< Blarumyrran> Once when i seached "Google" at Bing, it gave me ukrainean Google for no apparent reason as the first result
20091228 17:18:06< sacho_> Adding one line can be the difference between usability and uselessness :P
20091228 17:18:15< Blarumyrran> It doesnt anymore, guess thy have improved at least that much
20091228 17:18:58< Blarumyrran> GeorgeGhoal, besides, isnt it wonderful that a company can become a giant merely because of a better algorithm?
20091228 17:19:09< Blarumyrran> You would think that these days its only marketing, + flashy gui
20091228 17:19:46< GeorgeGhoal> their browser is a premature parody on Firefox with Opera's tab behavior
20091228 17:20:00< GeorgeGhoal> kek
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20091228 17:20:27< Blarumyrran> Trollin' now are we :>
20091228 17:21:09< GeorgeGhoal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_chrome
20091228 17:21:38< GeorgeGhoal> Would a troll go to Wikipedia for the sources of the attack?
20091228 17:22:19< Blarumyrran> You mean, would a troll type "Google chrome" in search bar?
20091228 17:23:30< GeorgeGhoal> In Opera, Wikipedia is added as w "search request" (no quotes)
20091228 17:25:45< Blarumyrran> and?
20091228 17:26:22< GeorgeGhoal> But a troll will keep bashing, with sources from weird sites, and won't use a reliable source like Wikipedia.
20091228 17:27:31< Blarumyrran> That is really irrelevant because anyone saying Chrome is a parody of Firefox would still be trolling
20091228 17:28:09< GeorgeGhoal> Parody, done on some unreliable system, known as WebKit
20091228 17:28:24< moraes> chrome is currently the best browser imo, and pushing everybody else to have comparable speed/stability 
20091228 17:28:54< GeorgeGhoal> Tabs act like in Opera, lack of menu bar reminds IE, modularity like of Firefox. the lamest browser ever.
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20091228 17:29:41< moraes> meh.
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20091228 17:29:53< GeorgeGhoal> It's like using NetScape 0.01 with Firefox-like skin.
20091228 17:30:03< moraes> i love firefox but it is too unstable on ubuntu.
20091228 17:30:15< GeorgeGhoal> same lameness...
20091228 17:30:42< Blarumyrran> I hate firefox, it is incredibly slow
20091228 17:31:28< GeorgeGhoal> on DSL, Ff loads pages like on dial-up at a rainy day
20091228 17:31:47< moraes> what is your favorite browser?
20091228 17:32:03< GeorgeGhoal> Opera
20091228 17:32:06< moraes> well chrome & v8 added a new parameter in terms of speed, for sure.
20091228 17:32:15< moraes> new opera seems that will catch up.
20091228 17:32:57< GeorgeGhoal> and worst are IE/GC/SM
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20091228 17:32:58< moraes> FF has a new engine in the works too. people say that it is more promising than v8.
20091228 17:33:33< moraes> IE doesn't compare. it is two generations behind the others.
20091228 17:33:39< GeorgeGhoal> I hope FF will look at Opera in interface/tab system, rather than IE/NS
20091228 17:33:50< Blarumyrran> IE's still faster than FF :>
20091228 17:33:56< moraes> FF is copying chrome
20091228 17:34:06< moraes> Blarumyrran, no way
20091228 17:34:18< moraes> there are benchmarks. IE is a turtle.
20091228 17:34:21< Blarumyrran> moraes, actually I'm not sure about now, but once when I tested, it was
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20091228 17:35:03< GeorgeGhoal> "FF is a modular replacement of IE for those not wanting to relearn using a web-browser, but wanting to get a safer solution"
20091228 17:35:11< moraes> http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/12/21/windows-themeui-update/
20091228 17:35:25< moraes> ^ FF now follows chrome lead
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20091228 17:36:20< Blarumyrran> Opera sometimes crashes when opening webct, which no other browser does
20091228 17:36:35< moraes> see by yourself the benchmarks in IE blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/11/18/an-early-look-at-ie9-for-developers.aspx
20091228 17:37:25< moraes> http://ieblog.members.winisp.net/images/Dean_PDC_2.png -> it is ridiculously slower than anything else
20091228 17:38:01< Blarumyrran> Could be, I tried with ie6
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20091228 17:42:32< Mozilla_IceFox> Chrome and Webkit are slowbies
20091228 17:43:16< Mozilla_IceFox> but why isn't 0pera counted? It's the coolest browser!
20091228 17:43:59< Espreon> Counted in what?
20091228 17:44:02< moraes> slow share and not a reference in terms of performance
20091228 17:44:11< Mozilla_IceFox> in the speed graphic you showed
20091228 17:44:42< moraes> small share and not a reference. ask IE team, they didn't want to test opera.
20091228 17:45:22< Mozilla_IceFox> what? Microsoft SPEWS!
20091228 17:46:36< moraes> meh man. you're a flamer.
20091228 17:47:20< Mozilla_IceFox> Flamer??? Microsoft spews if they did not want to check the most sane browser ever!!!
20091228 17:47:52< Espreon> Do I spew if I don't want to touch Opera?
20091228 17:48:12 * Blarumyrran looks up "spew"
20091228 17:48:52< Blarumyrran> I thought "Microsoft SPEWS" was an acronyrm when you said it at first
20091228 17:48:54< Mozilla_IceFox> small share? not a step in performance? maybe - but it's the most sane browser, compared to IE, FF, GC and others.
20091228 17:50:28< Espreon> Give me moar reasons to try it...®
20091228 17:50:51< moraes> are you from norway? if you are, there's a good reason.
20091228 17:51:53< Mozilla_IceFox> More reasons? SeaMonkey (another all-in-one suite) is unstable, downloading Mozilla programs (FF, TB and addons for them) takes months, other browsers lack Torrent/IRC modules.
20091228 17:52:16< Blarumyrran> I don't like opera
20091228 17:52:20< Blarumyrran> opera's irc module
20091228 17:52:26< Blarumyrran> *
20091228 17:52:27< moraes> eeeks. i don't want torrent / irc in my browser.
20091228 17:52:34< Blarumyrran> Why not?
20091228 17:52:57< Blarumyrran> Having torrents in a browser isn't weird
20091228 17:53:10< Espreon> Mozilla_IceFox: Months? LOL...
20091228 17:53:12< moraes> because i already have my favorite torrent / irc clients.
20091228 17:53:31< Espreon> "E-mail & Torrent?
20091228 17:53:39< Espreon> In _my_ browser?"
20091228 17:53:44< Espreon> No...
20091228 17:53:49< Blarumyrran> Opera's ftp client is sucky though
20091228 17:54:01< Mozilla_IceFox> Opera has a built-in compression element, Opera Turbo.
20091228 17:54:04< Blarumyrran> Firefox's fireftp was nicer
20091228 17:54:32< Mozilla_IceFox> So, Opera is good for dial-up
20091228 17:54:54 * Espreon hasn't used dial-up in years.
20091228 17:55:04< moraes> where in the world people still uses dial up?
20091228 17:55:12< Blarumyrran> in US, I've heard
20091228 17:55:18< Blarumyrran> and third world countries
20091228 17:55:27< Mozilla_IceFox> 84.4% of inet users in Russia are on D^
20091228 17:55:40< Espreon> Yeah, unfortunately, some in the US still use it.
20091228 17:55:57< moraes> i bet in brazil too there're a lot. and i'm in brazil. i'm such an elitist.
20091228 17:56:12< Mozilla_IceFox> I'm lucky, I've got SDSL
20091228 17:56:41< Mozilla_IceFox> 256kbps in both directions.
20091228 17:56:55< moraes> i'm lucky, i was born with 6 fingers in one foot. not very useful but i always have a subject in parties.
20091228 17:57:09< Espreon> Heh...
20091228 17:57:27< Tomsik_> what the heck has happened to this channel?
20091228 17:57:43< Espreon> Tomsik_; It went to Hell a long time ago?
20091228 17:57:56< Blarumyrran> People forgot their priorities in life, and started arguing about internet
20091228 17:57:57< Tomsik_> Balls.
20091228 17:58:12< Tomsik_> Arguing about the internet on the internet
20091228 17:58:17< Mozilla_IceFox> Russia lacks an o-src community, most PC's have W!nd0w$ installed.
20091228 17:58:17< Blarumyrran> Yes
20091228 17:58:21 * Espreon has nothing better to do, as he is compiling stuff.
20091228 17:58:42< Blarumyrran> Mozilla_IceFox, a lot of minix & BSD people are from there, i think
20091228 17:58:43< Tomsik_> "W!nd0w$", what are you, 12?
20091228 17:59:14< Blarumyrran> Tomsik_, <Blarumyrran> Is every big company a monster?
20091228 17:59:14< Blarumyrran> <GeorgeGhoal> not every big company, only super-giants.
20091228 17:59:14< Blarumyrran> <GeorgeGhoal> like Y@h00, M!cr0$0f7 or 600613
20091228 17:59:52< Mozilla_IceFox> I'm 21, I type "Windows" (applied to Microsoft's OS) that way because all Windows products $uck
20091228 18:00:18< Blarumyrran> Excel 2003 is better than OO.org Calc
20091228 18:00:23< Tomsik_> Well, if every super-giant company is a monster
20091228 18:00:28< Mozilla_IceFox> and what are all the DVD cases around my name in your reply, Blar?
20091228 18:00:33< Tomsik_> Then I'll give you a hint, government is kind of like a company
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20091228 18:00:53< Tomsik_> now go out and throw molotov cocktails or something :p
20091228 18:00:59< Blarumyrran> Mozilla_IceFox, what DVD cases, what are you high
20091228 18:01:12< Espreon> Perhaps he is getting mojibake.
20091228 18:01:25< Mozilla_IceFox> scroll up, those black boxes with a white circle.
20091228 18:01:56< Espreon> Mozilla_IceFox: You are probably getting mojibake.
20091228 18:02:06< Mozilla_IceFox> I'm not a drug-slug
20091228 18:02:10< Espreon> No...
20091228 18:02:26< Espreon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojibake
20091228 18:02:38< Espreon> Something along those lines...
20091228 18:03:01< Mozilla_IceFox> [19:59] <Blarumyrran> <GeorgeGhoal> not every big company, only super-giants.
20091228 18:03:19< Espreon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Letter_to_Russia_with_krokozyabry.jpg — Awesome.
20091228 18:04:04< Mozilla_IceFox> those black things around my name in "[19:59] <Blarumyrran> <GeorgeGhoal> not every big company, only super-giants." reply
20091228 18:04:05 * Espreon sees plus signs over minuses in that line here.
20091228 18:04:59< Mozilla_IceFox> it shows as <u>+</u> to you, Esp?
20091228 18:04:59< moraes> this conversation makes no sense
20091228 18:05:09< Tomsik_> moraes: welcome to IRC
20091228 18:05:18 * Blarumyrran sees < and >
20091228 18:05:29< Espreon> Mozilla_IceFox: Uh... no.
20091228 18:05:32 * Tomsik_ sees same as Blarumyrran does, except with colors
20091228 18:05:42< Espreon> What encoding are you guys using?
20091228 18:05:42< Blarumyrran> Xchat has a bad way of copying I guess
20091228 18:06:04< Tomsik_> utf-8, what else?
20091228 18:06:17< Espreon> IDK what else one would use.
20091228 18:06:38< Espreon> Then I guess that it is XChat's fault.
20091228 18:07:09< Mozilla_IceFox> InternationalRetardsChat
20091228 18:07:15< Espreon> Sigh...
20091228 18:07:36< Blarumyrran> Mozilla_IceFox, are you sure you aren't 210 years old
20091228 18:07:45< Tomsik_> Maybe he's an aspie
20091228 18:07:55< Espreon> Awwww.... that is just mean.®
20091228 18:08:13< Mozilla_IceFox> Not 210, 21 year old - but I'm worse-than-retarded
20091228 18:09:34< Tomsik_> Well, realizing that some things are frowned upon is the first step
20091228 18:10:33< Mozilla_IceFox> Xchat displays those signs () differently?
20091228 18:10:45< Mozilla_IceFox> not like Freenode under Opera?
20091228 18:11:18< Blarumyrran> Mozilla_IceFox, do you think Freenode is an irc client
20091228 18:11:30 * Espreon chuckles.
20091228 18:11:36< Mozilla_IceFox> WebChat.freenode.net
20091228 18:11:46< Espreon> Oh, that.
20091228 18:11:49< Tomsik_> maybe you just don't have a real font
20091228 18:12:01< Mozilla_IceFox> ?D
20091228 18:12:14< Blarumyrran> Can't be - noone would use a font without < and >
20091228 18:12:46< Tomsik_> There are things in the world...
20091228 18:13:05< Mozilla_IceFox> < and > are present
20091228 18:13:27< Mozilla_IceFox> But between < and the first letter of my name, a silly symbol appears
20091228 18:13:45< Mozilla_IceFox> 
20091228 18:13:57 * Blarumyrran sees empty place. Maybe it'
20091228 18:14:09< Tomsik_> Geez, it's an escape character
20091228 18:14:33< Tomsik_> And probably webchat doesn't support these
20091228 18:14:45< Tomsik_> Why is there no +c anyway
20091228 18:15:01< Soliton> that's not a colour.
20091228 18:15:18< Soliton> probably some x-chat internal formatting.
20091228 18:16:20< Mozilla_IceFox>  reminds me of a DVD case
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20091228 18:23:12< Mozilla_IceFox> Will Wesnoth be ported on MobLin?
20091228 18:23:31< Mozilla_IceFox> a Linux distro for Sharp Zaurus.
20091228 18:24:13< Espreon> Probably not.
20091228 18:24:31< Espreon> Ports are made because the porters come to us.
20091228 18:25:36< Espreon> ... or we get them...
20091228 18:26:46< Mozilla_IceFox> like... Kyle's iPhone?
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20091228 18:33:42< Espreon> Well, of course...
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20091228 19:53:06< Shar19> Are you supposed to be able to see your opponent's units? Or are they supposed to be hidden until they come close to one of your units?
20091228 19:53:48< Sacho> if fog of war is on, you will only see in your units' vision range
20091228 19:53:53< Sacho> otherwise you'll see everything
20091228 19:54:12< Blarumyrran> Unless shroud is enabled, of course
20091228 19:54:42< Shar19> What enforces fog of war?
20091228 19:54:55< Sacho> game setting
20091228 19:54:55< Shar19> can't I modify wesnoth code not to use fog of war even if it is enabled?
20091228 19:55:10< Sacho> in campaigns?
20091228 19:55:13< Blarumyrran> If you're playing campaigns, then each campaign scenario has it pre-determined
20091228 19:55:21< Shar19> in multiplayer
20091228 19:55:33< Sacho> change the settings of the game when making it (:
20091228 19:55:54< Shar19> how do I ensure that my opponent hasn't disabled fog of war and recompiled?
20091228 19:56:43< Soliton> you don't.
20091228 19:57:00< Sacho> assume good faith (:
20091228 19:57:14< Blarumyrran> You don't have to... recompile, even - I think you can just save the game and open in another client, and there you see under the fog
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20091228 19:57:51< Shar19> haha
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20091228 22:11:01< vjoe> hey
20091228 22:11:06< vjoe> is there a bug tracker for wesnoth?
20091228 22:11:19< Ivanovic> bugs.wesnoth.org
20091228 22:11:40< shadowmaster> see http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReportingBugs too
20091228 22:11:45< vjoe> thx
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20091228 22:14:53< vjoe> hm
20091228 22:15:00< vjoe> most of the stuff isnt related to the actual code
20091228 22:15:07< shadowmaster> how so?
20091228 22:15:36< vjoe> im looking for something to keep me busy
20091228 22:16:00< shadowmaster> patches fixing existing unsolved, open bugs are always welcome.
20091228 22:17:01< vjoe> the thing is, stuff like a better chat system
20091228 22:17:16< vjoe> or a localized lobby for different languages
20091228 22:17:25< vjoe> requires the permission or supervision of the team
20091228 22:18:39< shadowmaster> patches implementing new features are also welcome, but may not be deployed on trunk until 1.8 is released, and yes, larger features such as those are difficult to implement and that's why you'll usually work together with us for that; also, IIRC lobby rooms are already implemented in 1.7.x
20091228 22:19:30< shadowmaster> "a better chat system" sounds like a very general definition and doesn't suggest to me what's missing in the current.
20091228 22:20:57< vjoe> but which kind of features? a new terrain, unit or something like that wouldn't be accepted because it would affect the balance of the game
20091228 22:21:28< vjoe> a new UI would be interesting
20091228 22:21:58< Sacho> ..and big
20091228 22:22:04< shadowmaster> new terrain or units that would be appreciated by the mainline and user-made campaign developers could be accepted given good enough artwork is provided too.
20091228 22:22:21< Soliton> bugs.wesnoth.org also contains lots of feature requests.
20091228 22:22:54< shadowmaster> there is also http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding and http://wiki.wesnoth.org/NotSoEasyCoding
20091228 22:24:21< vjoe> basically, I am looking for something to keep me busy, and I have realized that the only application that I use and I would like to work for is wesnoth
20091228 22:24:44< vjoe> I wanted code for a web cms, but I dont have any web project at the moment :|
20091228 22:24:55< vjoe> even though finch has something that pisses me off
20091228 22:25:03< vjoe> and I will probably try to fix it one of this days
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20091228 22:26:25< vjoe> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?14310
20091228 22:26:30< vjoe> this is the worst feature description ever
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20091228 22:27:44< Soliton> what don't you understand?
20091228 22:28:06< vjoe> ah, I got it now
20091228 22:28:13< vjoe> hm, it's kinda cool
20091228 22:29:44< vjoe> but Soliton, the best way to implement this, is by having an option in the preferences
20091228 22:31:09< Soliton> no. no one wants the loading screen when you can show the setup screen.
20091228 22:32:29< Soliton> or if you want to get fancy you can merge the two as suggested there.
20091228 22:34:49< vjoe> that doesn't seem to hard
20091228 22:35:18< shadowmaster> less chat, more code ;)
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20091228 22:55:59< vjoe> hm, there is no loading screen class :o
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20091228 23:12:26< vjoe> hm..
20091228 23:13:05< vjoe> shadowmaster: I just downloaded the source, do I have to compile and install it everytime I want to check the modifications?
20091228 23:13:18< vjoe> isn't it possible to compile and run?
20091228 23:13:27< shadowmaster> yes, it is. I've not installed it for years.
20091228 23:14:42< vjoe> ah
20091228 23:14:49< vjoe> that's better then
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20091228 23:33:36< bluefox83> oooh, lots of folks in here >.>
20091228 23:34:14< shadowmaster> most of them idling 24 hours every day
20091228 23:34:23< bluefox83> yeah, that's kinda common
20091228 23:34:55< bluefox83> woops! forgot to use sudo with my make install >.>
20091228 23:35:34< bluefox83> and if running it again with sudo breaks it, i'm going to be disapointed >.>
20091228 23:36:48< shadowmaster> make install shouldn't hurt.
20091228 23:37:48< bluefox83> well, it has problems not wanting to copy files when it doesn't have the access to...lets see if it fires up >.>
20091228 23:38:24< shadowmaster> of course it does; I mean that trying it again with the proper privileges won't hurt anything
20091228 23:39:46< bluefox83> ah
20091228 23:40:12< bluefox83> well, it fired up fine...i'm wondering if launching it while pandora radio was running in the background might have cut the sounds off...
20091228 23:40:21< bluefox83> does it generally start with any music?
20091228 23:40:38< shadowmaster> music is enabled by default
20091228 23:40:50< shadowmaster> and there's titlescreen music, too
20091228 23:41:28< bluefox83> oh, well that might be broken >.>
20091228 23:41:59< shadowmaster> what operating system?
20091228 23:43:29< bluefox83> ubuntu 9.10
20091228 23:43:37< bluefox83> it probably will be fixed next time i restart
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20091228 23:43:52< bluefox83> artwork is pretty good
20091228 23:44:47< Ivanovic> make sure you have wesnoth-music installed on ubuntu to have the music tracks (unless you compiled yourself, then you got music)
20091228 23:45:01< Ivanovic> and also check which version of libsdl you have installed
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20091228 23:45:42< Ivanovic> since ubuntu really screwed things up when it came to libsdl you should make sure that you have the pulseaudio version of it installed, or things will likely turn out bad, too
20091228 23:45:48< shadowmaster> in Debian, libsdl1.2debian-all works like a charm; I would not use libsdl1.2debian-oss because OSS in general sucks because it tends to lock the sound card for single applications for some reason
20091228 23:45:55< shadowmaster> I don't use PulseAudio, just ALSA
20091228 23:46:10< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: in ubuntu you are somehow forced by now to use pulseaudio
20091228 23:46:16< shadowmaster> well, that sucks ;)
20091228 23:46:23< Ivanovic> and if you don't use it for sdl, too, things will go *boom*
20091228 23:46:35< Espreon> Well, that sucks.
20091228 23:46:51< Ivanovic> it is ubuntu, what do you expect?
20091228 23:47:05< Ivanovic> their packaging choices are (at least for me) really hard to understand
20091228 23:47:08 * Espreon shrugs.
20091228 23:47:19< Ivanovic> they do take debian unstable, patch many things and make it *really* unstable by doing so...
20091228 23:47:26< Espreon> Thank God that I got off of the Ubuntu boat.
20091228 23:47:37 * Espreon loves Gentoo/Sabayon.
20091228 23:47:57< Ivanovic> jupp, gentoo is nice, though you need *time* (and computation power) for it
20091228 23:48:07< shadowmaster> doesn't PulseAudio use either ALSA or OSS as backends anyway?
20091228 23:48:25< Ivanovic> jupp
20091228 23:48:35< Sacho> alsa
20091228 23:48:39< shadowmaster> unless you are running a sound/music studio, it doesn't make sense IMHO to add an extra abstraction layer to applications (especially since ALSA is just fine)
20091228 23:49:23< shadowmaster> (or well, maybe if you have an über-soundcard with weird sound quality/bass/treble/etc. parameters)
20091228 23:54:05< bluefox83> i think i may have boned myself on my first turn by not hiring anyone D:
20091228 23:55:23< Sacho> very likely, unless you're playing on easy
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20091228 23:55:30< bluefox83> i am >.>
20091228 23:55:32< Sacho> luckily the game spams autosaves religiously
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20091228 23:55:43< bluefox83> i wanted to get the hang of the system before playing anyone else
20091228 23:56:21< shadowmaster> bluefox83: tutorial? :)
20091228 23:57:40< bluefox83> i'm essentially out of life, what the heck should i do >.>
20091228 23:58:54< bluefox83> yeah i skipped the tutorial (ok, not the wisest choice, but hey, i'm playing the game!)
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