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20100104 00:00:04< Crab_> statically, I don't see how anything but a move order or WML messing up with unit can set a goto
20100104 00:00:41< fendrin> I agree, that is very strange. 
20100104 00:03:38< ilor> git-using people, anyone ever synced two wesnoth git repos with each other across a lan?
20100104 00:04:03< loonycyborg> I didn't
20100104 00:04:04< shadowmaster> by scp'ing .git tarballs, yes :P
20100104 00:04:13< shadowmaster> one-time, one-way only sync
20100104 00:04:31< ilor> yeah I have two of those
20100104 00:04:52< ilor> one on my laptop which is up to date and all, and one on my desktop which would take a day to git svn fetch
20100104 00:05:24 * shadowmaster goes to have lunch
20100104 00:05:58< loonycyborg> Theoretically you can setup a git server on one of them and pull from it.
20100104 00:06:13< loonycyborg> Though I'm not sure how exactly you do that.
20100104 00:06:27< ilor> loonycyborg: that's my plan, I'm nto very fluent with git and was hoping for some advice in case I screw up ;)
20100104 00:11:00< ilor> something's going on, maybe it's not that hard after all
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20100104 00:21:53< ilor> it worked. dead easy. 
20100104 00:38:34< stikonas> true, git is dead easy once you learn it...
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20100104 00:59:29< esr> OK, I'm going to test crab's fix now.
20100104 00:59:57< Crab_> esr: my fix ? tutorial was fixed by shadowmaster :)
20100104 01:00:17< esr> OK.  Thank you, shadowmaster 
20100104 01:01:09< CIA-28> ilor * r40567 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: VC9 projectfile update
20100104 01:02:05< CIA-28> ilor * r40568 /trunk/src/ai/composite/component.hpp: fix build issue with missing std namespace qualifier
20100104 01:02:16< CIA-28> ilor * r40569 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/lobby_main.cpp: lobby: disable global join/observe buttons before the first gamelist is processed, spotted by shadowmaster
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20100104 01:11:48< esr> wesbot: topic
20100104 01:11:50< wesbot> esr: Don't be impatient, wait until something changes...  *tsk*
20100104 01:12:09< shadowmaster> Crab_: ut you suggested one of the two commits
20100104 01:12:36< Crab_> shadowmaster: yes, but the fix was nevertheless yours :)
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20100104 01:24:22< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r40570 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Changelog entries for r40564 (bug #14926)
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20100104 02:14:05< ilor> mordante: status update on per-row gamelist updates -- looking promising, possibly commit-worthy tomorrow
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20100104 02:18:30< ilor> mordante: one question about editing listbox row contents, would it be possible to use a similar method to the one used in creating a row, passing a std::map<std::string, string_map> of data? or do I have to manually grab each widget from the row's grid and set the new values?
20100104 02:27:27< ilor> anyone: do we have a policy on magic/reserved wml attributes? I need to use something in config::apply_diff for tracking the changes made, _diff_track is what I have now and what will get commited eventually unless there are objections
20100104 02:28:59< esr> ilor: I don't know of a policy, which probably means you get to invent one.
20100104 02:29:50< ilor> maybe I'll go with two leading underscores to make it all warm, fuzzy and C-like
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20100104 02:49:23< shadowmaster> ugh, hidden attributes
20100104 02:49:45< shadowmaster> magic attributes, same thing. That doen't smell good
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20100104 02:50:59< ilor> shadowmaster: no, it doesn't, but I need a way of keeping track of what changed after a diff was applied, and it's the most reasonable solution I came up with
20100104 02:52:00< shadowmaster> maybe make sure that nbody can set it via the parser
20100104 02:52:00< ilor> shadowmaster: it'll be restricted to a routine in lobby gamelist processing, i.e. never seen in gameplay WML or whatever
20100104 02:52:14< shadowmaster> s/maybe//
20100104 02:53:00< shadowmaster> e.g. if someone uses it in actual WML for the parser, throw a message at them explaining that they are doing something wrong and their attribute will be ignored
20100104 02:54:46< ilor> shadowmaster: doesn't really seem warranted, the processed WML comes from the server (and if it's fubared the lobby will probably die anyway)
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20100104 04:45:29< esr> wesbot: topic
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20100104 04:45:51< esr> The buglist begins to approach a respectable state.
20100104 04:46:17< shadowmaster> it was much more respectable above 100 bugs.
20100104 04:46:22< shadowmaster> now it's just pitiful.
20100104 04:47:32< esr> Hmmppph...go make it more pitiful, then. As in utterly miserable and [pathetic.
20100104 04:50:50< esr> shadowmaster: Seriously, is there anything on the buglist you think you might be able to fix?
20100104 04:52:30< esr> shadowmaster: In particular: any hope for bug #12962: "[endlevel] in prestart event can cause assertion failure"?  Or should we mark that Wonft Fix and have wmllint throw a warning?
20100104 04:54:35< fendrin> esr: False wml crashing wesnoth is always a bug.
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20100104 05:09:08< Sapient> hi
20100104 05:11:28< Sapient> silene: regarding r40534 - /trunk/src/gamestatus.cpp, no that error message is not needed anymore
20100104 05:12:13< Sapient> I don't remember why I added it but if it were a problem it would have been noticed by now
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20100104 11:08:20< Ivanovic> moin
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20100104 11:31:19< fendrin> Can we sue intel for using the name "Westmere"?
20100104 11:31:51< fendrin> Or more important, can intel sue us?
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20100104 11:41:15< stikonas> Even if one party can sue another, I really doubt that this will go to court. That would be ludicrous...
20100104 11:44:17< loonycyborg> Westmere != Wesmere
20100104 11:46:01< loonycyborg> Besiades, New Zealand will probably sue first. There's location named Westmere here :P
20100104 11:46:13< loonycyborg> (which even isn't fictional)
20100104 11:47:24< fendrin> :-)
20100104 11:50:33< loonycyborg> s/here/there
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20100104 15:42:01< teaser> hi, is it intentional that halos (at least when put as items) are un-affected by ToD?
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20100104 15:53:05< Ivanovic> Chusslove: just heard in #po4a on oftc that the problem that prevented me from upgrading my local po4a version *should* be fixed in the next po4a release
20100104 15:53:20< Ivanovic> yes, the bug report itself received no update ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561416 )
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20100104 16:14:45< esr> Note: "Wesmere" doesn't fit the sound pattern of Elvish.  One of my post-1.8 todo items is to invent an Elvish name for the place and make it canon that Wesmere is the *human* name of it.
20100104 16:15:34< fendrin> esr: cool
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20100104 16:23:58< esr> Ivanovic: Still there?
20100104 16:24:04< Ivanovic> jupp
20100104 16:25:03< esr> The bug list is starting to look not so bad.  I'd still like to get it under 50 bugs, but the only serious functional blocker I see is the MP lobby stuff.
20100104 16:25:25< Ivanovic> the srious blocker is the mp lobby
20100104 16:25:35< esr> Yes.
20100104 16:26:27< esr> Once that gets fixed, how many RCs are you planning?  I woulg go for at least 2, with 3 to 4-week spacing.
20100104 16:27:49< Ivanovic> once the lobby is done i want another beta
20100104 16:28:02< Ivanovic> if this works out nicely (as in "issues are really fixed") there will be rc1
20100104 16:28:16< Ivanovic> if this works nicely for something like 2 weeks it is time for the final
20100104 16:31:23< esr> Reasonable.
20100104 16:31:34< Ivanovic> jupp
20100104 16:32:15< esr> Are you expecting any more translations to complete?
20100104 16:34:07< Ivanovic> maybe german, who knows...
20100104 16:34:32< Ivanovic> (the main problem with german is low, but a new translator is working on it, basically a complete once over starting at zero)
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20100104 17:29:17< esr> Hello, kitty.
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20100104 17:30:46< kitty__> hi esr
20100104 17:31:00< esr> How is the portraiture going?
20100104 17:31:22< kitty__> nothing new at the moment...
20100104 17:33:17< esr> Do you know who is rtesponsible for drakes? ATM Wings Of Vinktory has a [problem that Vank-the-sidekick's Sky Drake portrait is much larger and more impressive than the protagonist's.
20100104 17:33:41< kitty__> uh, wings of freedom isn't mainline - is it?
20100104 17:33:42< esr> s/Vinktory/Victory/  ...I hate my typos.
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20100104 17:34:18< esr> Not yet, but itv will be.  I think the real issue is that the Drake Fighter portrait hasn't been redone yet.
20100104 17:34:26< kitty__> tsi worked on the new drake portraits in summer and wanted to get back to them at some point
20100104 17:34:56< esr> Ah, so I probably need to nudge him a little.
20100104 17:35:10< esr> Thanks, that's what I needed to know.
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20100104 17:35:49< kitty__> yeah, it will be good if he does it to keep them consistent
20100104 17:36:25< esr> I should say that WOV will be mainline unless fendrin and I screw up and don't finish it - it's nowhere near done yet.
20100104 17:37:08< kitty__> what is it about?
20100104 17:37:42< esr> Drakes.  What they're like, why they are that way, and how they came to the Great Continent.
20100104 17:38:10< kitty__> ah, I look forward to playing it sometime :)
20100104 17:38:58< esr> Yes, I invented a rather odd reproductive biology leading to an extremely nasty culture.
20100104 17:39:25< kitty__> that means?
20100104 17:40:16< esr> Females are non-sentient.  Each drake flight is rules by a Dominant who controls access to them.  Every male drake is a potential Dominant, but...
20100104 17:41:33< kitty__> are you serious?!
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20100104 17:41:54< esr> ...to be elogible, he first has to gain victory repeatedly in hunt and battle, themn survive elimination games against other Aspirants.  If he does, he gets to found his own flight with breeders contributed by the existing ones.
20100104 17:42:16< esr> So the culture is ruthlessly competitive, and expansionist.
20100104 17:42:24< kitty__> is that based on any real reptiles or just your male fantasy?
20100104 17:42:48< esr> It's sort of a cross between Kzin and eusocial insects.
20100104 17:43:49< esr> There are animals with social structures rather like this, but oddly enough none of them are reptiles.
20100104 17:44:39< kitty__> aha, I'm curious to see how this will work out in your story!
20100104 17:45:17< esr> Drake biology put them in a Malthusian trap.
20100104 17:46:16< esr> The campaign is the biography of the Dominant who find the Great Continent...has to, because the home islands are getting terminally crowded.
20100104 17:46:46< kitty__> after the events of tRoW?
20100104 17:47:00< esr> (And note, I like *my* females sentient, thank you very much...)
20100104 17:47:11< kitty__> ;)
20100104 17:47:55< esr> Probably a couple centuries before.  Otherwise thre'sd be a continuity issue with the Peoples In Decline scenario.
20100104 17:50:30< esr> In the firstr scenario, the protagonist and his sidekick are hunting escaped slaves.  For lunch.  Escaped *human* slaves.
20100104 17:50:46< esr> (I told you their culture was nasty.)
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20100104 18:14:42< loonycyborg> esr: I wonder what their culture would be like if they just reproduced by division like amoebae :P
20100104 18:15:39< esr> loonycyborg: I know there was a dev who advocated that.  I thought it was icky, and made poor story as well.
20100104 18:17:01< loonycyborg> Having non-sentient females is icky too on some level..
20100104 18:17:57< esr> Agreed.
20100104 18:18:33< esr> Would you prefer it if the females were sentient ans treated like cattle?
20100104 18:18:46< esr> I think that would be nastier.
20100104 18:19:10< elias> hm, in what kind of channel did i join here
20100104 18:19:48< loonycyborg> :P
20100104 18:21:38< esr> I was working backwards from the way we need drakes to behave for canon purposes to ask "what kind of biology could produce these as preferred behaviors?".  The result was never going to be nice...
20100104 18:23:04< loonycyborg> Do drakes come through tadpole stage? :P
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20100104 18:24:22< esr> No, but they do undego dramatic behavioral changes at sexual maturation, which very few achieve -- the fledgeling -> Asprant transition.
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20100104 18:36:04< loonycyborg> esr: That'll make them very unlike reptiles who don't seem to have much difference between sexes and have complex life cycle.
20100104 18:36:23< esr> loonycyborg: True.
20100104 18:42:03< Soliton> elias: http://pastebin.com/f1c2412fc
20100104 18:43:14< Soliton> elias: some non ascii macro name?
20100104 18:43:48< Soliton> elias: parsed addons are all 1.6 eras.
20100104 18:43:48< elias> seems so
20100104 18:44:22< Soliton> i'm guessing wesnoth has no problem with that so it'd be nice if wmlunits could handle it too.
20100104 18:47:09< elias> hm
20100104 18:47:21< elias>  if os.path.isdir(dirpath): files = glob.glob(dirpath + "/*.cfg")
20100104 18:47:37< elias> so why does it work in os.path.isdir() and not in glob.glob()
20100104 18:47:46< elias> can you print out the value of "dirpath" somehow?
20100104 18:48:11< elias> or wait, let me try something
20100104 18:48:15< Soliton> can i get a debug prompt or something?
20100104 18:50:01< elias> # encoding: utf8
20100104 18:50:13< elias> ^ add this as second line in wmlparser.py
20100104 18:50:16< elias> should fix it
20100104 18:50:29< elias> python 2.5 has inline strings as ascii instead of utf8 by default :P
20100104 18:50:39< elias> so need that comment to make them utf8
20100104 18:50:55< Soliton> ahh, ok.
20100104 18:51:30< elias> i suppose since the "/*.cfg" then is ascii instead of utf8 it causes an error
20100104 18:51:38< elias> hopefully python 2.x will soon fall out of use
20100104 18:52:08< elias> 3.x all strings are unicode
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20100104 20:46:44< mordante> servus
20100104 20:47:06< esr> Hmmm...can anyone point me at a WML example of how to set a unit's movement points to 0?
20100104 20:48:07< mordante> ilor_, there's no way to mass set the widgets in a listbox row
20100104 20:48:46< mordante> ilor_, nice to hear you're making progress with the lobby :-)
20100104 20:50:00< ilor_> mordante: aw, then I'll likely end up writing one
20100104 20:50:56< ilor_> mordante: I generally have code that seems stable with the current way things work, sans the updating bit that I hope to do today
20100104 20:50:59< mordante> ilor_, if you do best let it work on a tgrid so it can be used at other places as well
20100104 20:51:13< mordante> cool and how is the speed?
20100104 20:51:27< ilor_> didn't really look to be honest
20100104 20:51:58< mordante> ok
20100104 20:52:20< ilor_> mordante: also, I get the feelingthe UI is ... slow even if nothing is going on. Is the user events polling done less often than in old gui?
20100104 20:53:48< mordante> not sure I added a small delay since we poll for events
20100104 20:54:32< mordante> but I never noticed it was slow except for the lobby, not even at my old machine
20100104 20:55:44< ilor_> mordane: also, networking processing is broken
20100104 20:56:02< mordante> it is?
20100104 20:56:09< ilor_> *all* network is processed according to the timer
20100104 20:56:19< ilor_> so if you launch two clients and a local server
20100104 20:56:24< ilor_> and send 4 chat messages one by one
20100104 20:56:37< ilor_> the take 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 seconds to appear on the other client
20100104 20:56:58< ilor_> (assuming the timer fires every 2 secs)
20100104 20:57:27< ilor_> we basically need to use the 'old' way, with network polling done very often, and only delay gamelist updates
20100104 20:57:38< mordante> hmm yes I changed that, didn't realize that consequence
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20100104 20:57:58< YogiHH> hello
20100104 20:58:13< mordante> you can decrease the timer delay, I just wanted it out of the main event loop
20100104 20:58:16< mordante> hi YogiHH 
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20100104 20:58:22< ilor_> I susepcted it but only got round to testing it now. I'll handle it after the gamelist diffs work
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20100104 21:00:02< mordante> ilor_, gui/dialogs/lobby_main.cpp:716 lobby_update_timer_ = add_timer(game_config::lobby_refresh
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20100104 21:06:13< ilor_> mordante: I guess decrasing the timer value, and processing all pending network messages in network_handler (as opposed to one), should work okay
20100104 21:06:31< mordante> ok
20100104 21:07:03< esr> mordante: Talk to me, please, about what would be needed to fix bug #11024: "Old maps in multiplayer".  What exactly do you mean by separae namespaces?  How must this be implemented?
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20100104 21:11:40< mordante> esr, haven't given much thought about how to implement it
20100104 21:12:11< mordante> since it doesn't seem to happen much it's very low on my priority list
20100104 21:12:41< esr> Is it even relevant any more with 1.2 maps two major releases in the past?  Should I just mark "Wont Fix"?
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20100104 21:21:23< boucman> esr: 1.2 seems very old, i thin you can mark as WF
20100104 21:23:55< esr> mordante doesn't want me to :-(
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20100104 21:28:59< silene> hi
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20100104 21:42:06< esr> wesbot: r23664
20100104 21:42:16< esr> wesbot: revision 23664
20100104 21:42:20< esr> ?
20100104 21:42:25< esr> wesbot help
20100104 21:42:25< wesbot> esr: I could tell you about bug(s), feature(s), task(s), patch(es), a log revision, update the topic, last seen of people... you name it.
20100104 21:42:39< mordante> wesbot log 23664
20100104 21:42:43< wesbot> mordante * r23664 : Disable stricker terrain validation, since a rogue scenario may avoid somebody to create any game (bug #11024).
20100104 21:42:46< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=23664
20100104 21:42:57< esr> Thanks.
20100104 21:43:17< mordante> np
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20100104 21:48:28< CIA-28> mordante * r40571 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/widget_definition.hpp: Minor code cleanup.
20100104 21:48:34< CIA-28> mordante * r40572 /trunk/src/gui/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20100104 21:48:34< CIA-28> Refactoring tcontrol_definition.
20100104 21:48:34< CIA-28> Moved it to gui/auxiliary/widget_definition.* and put the template
20100104 21:48:34< CIA-28> function in the header so more parts of gui/widgets/settings.* can be
20100104 21:48:35< CIA-28> moved in seperate files.
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20100104 22:21:10< CIA-28> ivanovic * r40573 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-lib/de.po wesnoth-thot/de.po wesnoth-units/fi.po): updated Finnish and German translation
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20100104 22:31:21< CIA-28> mordante * r40574 /trunk/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Move tvertical_scrollbar_definition to a new file.
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20100104 22:38:20< mordante> I'm off nicht
20100104 22:38:24< mordante> night*
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20100104 23:01:36< Soliton> given 'glob.glob(dirpath + "/*.cfg")' what can i do when there are filenames with non-ascii encoding?
20100104 23:02:05< Soliton> i get an UnicodeDecodeError in that case.
20100104 23:17:50< loonycyborg> Soliton: What exact filename is causing that?
20100104 23:18:14< Soliton> Wesnoths_kaempfer/units/saurianer/Saurianischer-k?mpfer.cfg
20100104 23:18:28< loonycyborg> If I try them in interactive interpreter non-ascii utf-8 strings seem to work fine.
20100104 23:18:41< Soliton> a .decode("latin1") seems to have solved it.
20100104 23:18:51< loonycyborg> Either with glob, os.path.join or +.
20100104 23:19:09< Soliton> it's not utf8.
20100104 23:19:37< loonycyborg> That would explain why I got ? instead of it.
20100104 23:19:38< Soliton> otherwise there wouldn't be a UnicodeDecodeError i imagine. :-)
20100104 23:20:24< Soliton> i just pasted a ? it probably was a ä at some point.
20100104 23:20:37 * loonycyborg wonders why not everyone just use utf-8
20100104 23:21:10< Soliton> ask the guy who made the Wesnoths_kaempfer addon.
20100104 23:21:50< loonycyborg> Probably he used windows with local german encoding.
20100104 23:21:58< Soliton> yeah.
20100104 23:22:18< Soliton> he also has capitalization problems in his paths.
20100104 23:22:52< Soliton> wmlunits found no units there either... but now at least it doesn't die anymore.
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20100104 23:57:22< YogiHH> good night
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