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20100120 00:44:48< CIA-53> ai0867 * r40758 /branches/fendrin_pathfind/src/ (pathfind.cpp pathfind.hpp): Implement optionally bidirectional [tunnel]s
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20100120 02:19:11< shadowmaster> again, who is in charge of the macro documentation in the wiki?
20100120 02:20:00< shadowmaster> where by wiki I meant "loose XHTML files designed to cause trouble to IE users for no sane reason at all"
20100120 02:20:51< AI0867> they're generated
20100120 02:21:02< shadowmaster> yeah, by whom and when?
20100120 02:21:18< AI0867> the issue with IE is that IE fails to render anything in the xhtml mime-type
20100120 02:21:27< AI0867> if you don't send that, it should render fine
20100120 02:21:28< shadowmaster> I see the header and footer in the svn tree but even the filenames are wrong
20100120 02:21:37< shadowmaster> AI0867: I posted that a few seconds ago, actually
20100120 02:21:46< AI0867> ?
20100120 02:21:56< shadowmaster> cf Website forum
20100120 02:22:08< AI0867> I hadn't read it
20100120 02:22:47< shadowmaster> this kind of stuff makes me feel a bit of self-disappointment for some reason.
20100120 02:24:30< shadowmaster> well, the svn logs are less than helpful. It does appear like this was originally esr's idea but I wonder who is responsible for updating the online version.
20100120 02:25:34< esr> What are we talking about? 
20100120 02:25:49< shadowmaster> the macros documentation in the wiki, as I                                                        said above
20100120 02:25:55< esr> Ahhh.
20100120 02:26:27< esr> Yes, I wrote the generator script that tuns the macro sourcces into HTML.  Does it need fixing?
20100120 02:26:49< shadowmaster> don't worry, I know about web design myself.
20100120 02:28:59< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r40759 /trunk/data/tools/helpheader.xhtml: Use text/html MIME type, not text/xhtml which doesn't work for certain browsers including IE < 8
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20100120 02:29:38< shadowmaster> shame on you, by the way.
20100120 02:30:13< esr> ?
20100120 02:31:05< shadowmaster> for not considering the above when you introduced the content-type specification in r16881
20100120 02:31:06< AI0867> s/certain browsers including //
20100120 02:31:26< shadowmaster> AI0867: hey, pretty much anything can use IE indirectly
20100120 02:31:38< shadowmaster> just embed their activex control thingy
20100120 02:33:50< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r40760 /trunk/data/tools/helptrailer.xhtml: Copyright update
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20100120 14:15:49< teaser> hi, does anyone here now anything about the status of mp-campaigns in the upcoming 1.8? 
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20100120 14:17:03< teaser> I've filed a bugreport https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15164 about events not firing as expected, but there seems to be other problems too
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20100120 14:17:29< teaser> how can I assist in making tests and define expected behavior?
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20100120 14:18:23< Ivanovic> teaser: the status is "if it does not work, it is a bug!"
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20100120 14:18:52< Ivanovic> teaser: in general do make the test cases as simple and basic as possible
20100120 14:19:09< Ivanovic> regarding the report: sounds quite complicated, ain't it possible to make the scenario a lot more simple?
20100120 14:19:28< Ivanovic> some "move leader to next hex and see things fail in the next scenario"
20100120 14:21:27< zookeeper> so what makes you think that the game runs the scenario with the event, instead of the scenario without it?
20100120 14:24:26< teaser> zookeeper, huh? I hope you meant the other way around, otherwise your statement doesn't compile for me
20100120 14:24:41< zookeeper> look at scenarios/
20100120 14:25:16< zookeeper> two scenarios with the same id
20100120 14:25:28< teaser> Ivanovic, ok, will do a simpler test-case
20100120 14:26:10< Ivanovic> brrr, same id is something *really* evil and supposed not to work
20100120 14:26:46< Ivanovic> since yeah, *all* ids used should be unique where they are used (as in "weapon ids should be unique for a unit", "unit id should be unique for the scenario", ...)
20100120 14:26:56< teaser> zookeeper, wow thanks a lot, sometimes I really mess up the simple things, now it works ;)
20100120 14:27:12< teaser> just mark the report as invalid
20100120 14:28:07< Ivanovic> done
20100120 14:28:38< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15164
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20100120 14:30:07< teaser> thanks
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20100120 14:34:56< teaser> ok, I also noticed that in 1.7.12 you have to enter debug-mode every time you start the campaign in 1.7.11 you just had to enter it once per client-instance (eg, you could reload the cache, exit/enter as many games as you wanted). Don't know what behaviour is intended...
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20100120 17:27:26< zookeeper> esr, you should take a look at http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25996
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20100120 18:01:46< esr> zookeeper: Those name changes are good ideas, but they'll have to wait for 1.9.
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20100120 20:27:18< Skystriker> I'm new to SVN (and developing in general).  I have completed a checkout of the Wesnoth trunk, but I'm having some slight difficulties in understanding how to best use it (as in edit files and prepare a patch of some sort for people's consideration)
20100120 20:27:46< Skystriker> Do I have to edit the files through SVN somehow, or can I edit the files in the local repository with other programs?
20100120 20:28:15< Skystriker> And obviously I don't have commit access, so I have to do some sort of patch :P
20100120 20:28:39< loonycyborg> Just do your change and do svn diff
20100120 20:28:42< Skystriker> Using Windows, I also downloaded a TortoiseSVN which is some shell extension that gives me some options from files
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20100120 20:28:49< Neorieszisgood> Hail Wesnoth.
20100120 20:28:53< Skystriker> Hey neo
20100120 20:28:57< Skystriker> Thanks loony :)
20100120 20:29:15< Neorieszisgood> What's up in diz hood?
20100120 20:29:49< Skystriker> Trying to learn SVN :3
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20100120 20:32:05< loonycyborg> Skystriker: Tortoise has "Create patch.." in its menu.
20100120 20:32:26< Skystriker> Aye
20100120 20:33:04< Skystriker> Ok, I seem to have created a patch file using that then.
20100120 20:33:14< Skystriker> And I'd submit that here, and you guys would take care of the rest?
20100120 20:33:33< Ivanovic> hey, Neorieszisgood
20100120 20:33:35< Ivanovic> how are you doing?
20100120 20:33:37< Skystriker> (Assuming it passed muster)
20100120 20:33:50< Ivanovic> Skystriker: patches should be submitted to patches.wesnoth.org
20100120 20:33:58< Ivanovic> Neorieszisgood: will you come over to FOSDEM?
20100120 20:34:12< Skystriker> Thanks
20100120 20:34:54< Neorieszisgood> Ivanovic: FOSDEM? :)
20100120 20:35:08< Ivanovic> Neorieszisgood: geeks meeting in brussels
20100120 20:35:09< Skystriker> (Is it ok to submit a test patch?  Can I delete it afterwards so it doesn't clutter?)
20100120 20:35:36< Ivanovic> that is: as the last two years we will have some wesnoth meeting there, too
20100120 20:35:36< Ivanovic> ;)
20100120 20:35:45< Ivanovic> cf http://wiki.wesnoth.org/FOSDEM2010
20100120 20:40:29< Skystriker> So from what I see at patches.wesnoth.org, there are 8 active patches?
20100120 20:40:34< thespaceinvader> Neorieszisgood: hey, how's things?
20100120 20:40:56< thespaceinvader> Ivanovic: i wanna come to fosdem, unfortunately, entirely as i predicted, i will not be able to >.<
20100120 20:41:00< thespaceinvader> there's always next year
20100120 20:41:18< Ivanovic> :(
20100120 20:42:43< thespaceinvader> at the moment, my friday afternoons are very, very full, and i cannot get out
20100120 20:42:48< thespaceinvader> even if i could afford to come
20100120 20:43:41< Neorieszisgood> Things are good C:
20100120 20:45:21< loonycyborg> Skystriker: AFAIK patches can't be deleted, only closed.
20100120 20:46:29< Skystriker> I see, thanks.
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20100120 22:06:32< YogiHH> hello
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20100120 22:11:15< fendrin> YogiHH: hello
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20100120 22:16:50< Sapient> hi
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20100120 22:29:19< fendrin> hi Sapient
20100120 22:30:48< zookeeper> yo Sapient. maybe you'd like to check ken_oh's thread in tech support...seems like a bug to me.
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20100120 22:37:36< Sapient> zookeeper: I agree it's a bug.  And if you check the irclog, you will see where I stated that to Soliton and silene
20100120 22:37:47< Sapient> and you will also see where I was disregarded
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20100120 22:39:26< fendrin> AI0867_: Any news about the scoped_xy_unit thing?
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20100120 22:53:20< boucman> hey Neoriceisgood
20100120 22:53:27< boucman> long time not seeing you around...
20100120 22:56:55< Neoriceisgood> Yeah.
20100120 22:57:11< Neoriceisgood> More interested now that the new drakes are in and playable :p
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20100120 22:57:57< boucman> hehe
20100120 22:58:17 * boucman had great fun tweaking the anim engine to have them flying on water
20100120 22:59:03< Ivanovic> Neoriceisgood: if you want to join us at fosdem it might be an option to ask AI0867_/mordante if they take you with them when driving over
20100120 22:59:05< Ivanovic> ;)
20100120 22:59:54< elias> what's the data for fosdem?
20100120 22:59:57< elias> *date
20100120 23:00:16< Ivanovic> first weekend in febuary
20100120 23:01:33< Neoriceisgood> What exactly is Fosdem?
20100120 23:01:52< Ivanovic> thousands of geeks meet at a university in brussels
20100120 23:02:02< Ivanovic> there are many talks about open source stuff
20100120 23:02:09< Ivanovic> and wesnoth people meet to chat and plan
20100120 23:02:21< boucman> and drink beers
20100120 23:02:37< boucman> (hey, you don't go to belgium with without trying them)
20100120 23:03:02< Ivanovic> FOSDEM = Free and Opensource Software Developers European Meeting
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20100120 23:04:54< Ivanovic> Crab_: any progress regarding the visa stuff?
20100120 23:04:54< Ivanovic> ;)
20100120 23:05:42< Crab_> Ivanovic: not yet. there is still chance that I'll be ready in time to grab 'any available' air flight to brussels.
20100120 23:07:24< Ivanovic> okay
20100120 23:08:15< Ivanovic> interesting
20100120 23:08:27< Ivanovic> the list of main sponsors for fosdem includes qualcomm
20100120 23:08:38< Ivanovic> i was not aware that they are seriously open source friendly...
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20100120 23:44:44< fendrin> YogiHH: Do you know about unit_abilitys.cpp ?
20100120 23:45:17< YogiHH> fendrin: not really unless you are very lucky
20100120 23:46:03< fendrin> YogiHH: zookeeper pointed out that the [tunnel] tag should work in [teleport] not the teleport in action wml but the tag in [ability].
20100120 23:46:27< YogiHH> uh, can't tell you anything about that, sorry
20100120 23:46:56< fendrin> Who is dominic bolin?
20100120 23:47:31< fendrin> He is the copyright holder for the file.
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20100120 23:57:06< Crab_> fendrin: better do a svn blame on that file, it'll say more about 'who knows about it' :)
20100120 23:59:51< fendrin> Crab_: Wild merge of xan, Soliton, mordante, silene, sapient and others.
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