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20100131 00:36:17< Jozrael> Wow freenode is totally different from quakenet, lol
20100131 00:36:30< Jozrael> First server split i've seen, plus an apology + promise it won't happen again o_O
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20100131 01:02:22< shadowmaster> Jozrael: you should have seen December's DDoS
20100131 01:03:47< Jozrael> :(
20100131 01:03:52< Jozrael> Freenode's got enemies?
20100131 01:03:59< shadowmaster> of course
20100131 01:04:17< shadowmaster> and many servers got DDoS'd over the course of two days
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20100131 01:05:22< shadowmaster> and splits are- were fairly common with hyperion-ircd anyway, due to SIGSEGVs
20100131 01:05:28< shadowmaster> good old SIGSEGVs
20100131 01:13:31< Zarel> shadowmaster: Do you do anything involving the wesnoth game server?
20100131 01:13:45< Zarel> Lobby, the official wesnothd server, whatever you call it
20100131 01:14:03< Zarel> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28720 <- Oh, I'll just attn: whoever is.
20100131 01:14:57< shadowmaster> as I said before: no, I don't have or want to have anything to do with the MP servers
20100131 01:15:31< shadowmaster> anyway I moved it to users' fourm.
20100131 01:15:34< shadowmaster> forum.
20100131 01:16:25< Zarel> Man, three guesses to what you called the MP server, and they were all wrong. :(
20100131 01:16:46< Soliton> where was it before?
20100131 01:17:26< shadowmaster> Technical Support
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20100131 02:50:56< [Relic]> Hello :)
20100131 02:51:05< loonycyborg> Hi :)
20100131 02:51:18< [Relic]> :)
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20100131 04:02:05< shadowmaster> mentioned in #freenode and #wesnoth-umc-dev, but maybe anyone wants to have a read: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/30/firefox_interprotocol_attack/
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20100131 04:49:38< Des_> Can any dev any the question I left on the forum a couple days ago? The post is in the user's forum under Formula AI in 1.8
20100131 04:49:43< Des_> answer*
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20100131 05:11:29< fendrin> esr: around?
20100131 05:21:38< CIA-62> ai0867 * r40964 /trunk/src/ai/game_info.hpp: Remove unneeded include
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20100131 06:03:38< AI0867> fendrin: the formulaAI in LoW:16 isn't bugfree
20100131 06:04:18< AI0867> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m6192284e
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20100131 10:43:56< Ivanovic> moin
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20100131 11:30:47< Crab_> AI0867: regarding LoW16 fai errors - do you have a way to reproduce ?
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20100131 11:39:49< CIA-62> silene * r40965 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp:
20100131 11:39:49< CIA-62> Made sure event handlers are still alive in linger mode. (Fix for bug #15226.)
20100131 11:39:49< CIA-62> Actually, it is not quite clear why they were dead in the first place, so this fix may just be papering over a bug somewhere else.
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20100131 11:44:03< boucman> thespaceinvader: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=406706#p406706 <= will you take care of this ?
20100131 11:44:45< thespaceinvader> boucman: if i have time, yeah
20100131 11:45:04< boucman> just so it doesn't get forgotten
20100131 11:47:38< thespaceinvader> yeah
20100131 11:47:46< thespaceinvader> i have some other commits i need to make, too
20100131 11:50:59< boucman> Crab_: last call before I start canceling the hotel...
20100131 11:51:09< Crab_> boucman: yes, do so.
20100131 11:51:13< boucman> k
20100131 11:53:03< fendrin> Crab_: So you are lacking the visa?
20100131 11:53:28< Crab_> fendrin: yes. it will be ready only on 6th february
20100131 11:53:50< boucman> :(
20100131 11:54:17< Crab_> hoping that I'll handle this better next year
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20100131 12:05:55< Ivanovic> :(
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20100131 12:34:29< CIA-62> silene * r40966 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp game_events.hpp): Simplified code since event handlers are no longer nonvolatile.
20100131 12:50:45< thespaceinvader> boucman: I would commit that WC animation, but I can't get my head round the WC WML... I don't know where to put the idle animation so it will only show up for the human corpse...
20100131 12:51:12< boucman> ouch...
20100131 12:51:24< thespaceinvader> yeah, the WC is horrible...
20100131 12:51:28< boucman> i'm not sure that feasible, i'll look into it
20100131 12:51:36< thespaceinvader> okies
20100131 12:52:07< thespaceinvader> it must be - there are WCs that use different animations from the normal schema - but then again, it would be in the base, not one of the [variation]s
20100131 12:54:28< Crab_> zookeeper: a quick question about ai_controller: if I get rid of "apply_ai_params" event, will the ai controller still remember the 'current ai settings that the user has set' correctly ?
20100131 12:54:43< boucman> thespaceinvader: add the idle anim in the base, and add an empty [idle_anim] block in every variation, IIUC that should do the trick
20100131 12:54:57< Crab_> (I'm thinking about replacing apply_ai_params with [modify_ai] )
20100131 12:55:16< zookeeper> boucman, thespaceinvader, or just see if you can give the anim a filter so it'll not trigger on the variations.
20100131 12:55:24< zookeeper> Crab_, let's see..
20100131 12:55:34< boucman> hmm
20100131 12:55:44< boucman> not sure we can filter on "the current variation"
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20100131 13:00:09< zookeeper> Crab_, well, yes, looks like it would
20100131 13:00:20< Crab_> ok, thanks
20100131 13:02:20< zookeeper> Crab_, they're stored into variables in the order tags
20100131 13:02:23< zookeeper> like {VARIABLE ai_controller.side_$ally_side|_current_settings.current_behaviour aggression}
20100131 13:02:32< zookeeper> right after apply_ai_params has been called
20100131 13:03:55< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: how would i go about that?
20100131 13:04:20< Crab_> silene: WML preprocessor evaluates files in a dir, included like {core/macros/} , in alphabetical order ?
20100131 13:04:27< thespaceinvader> though that being said, leaving an empty idle anim block in each variation will make it easier to add further idle anims if necessary
20100131 13:08:25< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, no idea, doesn't look possible to me
20100131 13:08:42< thespaceinvader> ok, no worries, i'll work it the other way
20100131 13:12:50< zookeeper> sure
20100131 13:13:13< zookeeper> maybe you should also add in the jumping rope anim while you're at it ;)
20100131 13:20:13< zookeeper> well, hmh, i'm not sure if i still have the frames to that or if i've lost them...
20100131 13:21:59< silene> Crab_: yes, except for _special_names.cfg
20100131 13:22:01< thespaceinvader> i might well do that - however, i'd need to know how to fiddle the timings so it doesn't play very often...
20100131 13:22:11< Crab_> silene: thanks
20100131 13:23:48< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, that'd be frequency= then: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AnimationWML#Generic_animation_filters_available_for_all_animations
20100131 13:24:04< thespaceinvader> thanks
20100131 13:25:28< thespaceinvader> so if i did frequency=99, the animation wouldn't play 99times out of every hundred when it ought to?
20100131 13:25:57< zookeeper> boucman, ^ ?
20100131 13:27:07< Crab_> zookeeper: from 'defend location', 'focus on defeating', 'focus on protecting' - only one can be active at the same time for a particular side ?or they can be active simultaneously ?
20100131 13:27:23< boucman> zookeeper: yes, that's it
20100131 13:30:11< zookeeper> Crab_, my plan was that only one objective and only one behaviour can be active at the same time
20100131 13:30:15< Crab_> ok
20100131 13:30:16< zookeeper> hence the distinction between them
20100131 13:30:37< zookeeper> so yes, only one of those active at any given time
20100131 13:32:10< zookeeper> also it would just make things more complicated, so i'd rather keep it that way even if multiple concurrent objectives could be done using the new AI
20100131 13:32:19< k23z__> why don't you people use Perl instead of WML ? I just wonder
20100131 13:33:10< boucman> k23z__: why would we ?
20100131 13:33:33< Crab_> zookeeper: the plan is to write a fancy GUI2 dialog for setting ai options in 1.9
20100131 13:33:43< Ivanovic> k23z__: because we are (basically) sane people!
20100131 13:34:28< CIA-62> crab * r40967 /trunk/src/ai/ (actions.cpp actions.hpp): add a human-readable error name when ai action results in an error, like 'error ai/actions: Error #2002 (move_result::E_NO_UNIT) in full move by side 1 from location 14,6 to location 17,6'
20100131 13:35:06< k23z__> but why implement another scripting language
20100131 13:35:11< k23z__> when there are already plenty out there
20100131 13:35:47< Ivanovic> k23z__: WML is *NOT* a scripting language
20100131 13:35:52< Ivanovic> it is a markup language
20100131 13:35:57< Ivanovic> ;)
20100131 13:36:10< k23z__> ok markup
20100131 13:36:28< k23z__> it looks pretty much like a scripting language to me
20100131 13:36:43< Ivanovic> and perl would not be a sane choice to make things easy for people not used to coding
20100131 13:36:44< k23z__> Ivanovic, can you point out one major different between it and a scripting language ?
20100131 13:36:59< Ivanovic> since yeah, WML is suited for those since some very tiny specific commands do what is required
20100131 13:38:34< Ivanovic> in a scripting lang you tend to do calculations and implement some algorithms
20100131 13:39:28< Ivanovic> on the other hand in a markup language you "describe" the stuff
20100131 13:42:12< Ivanovic> in case of wesnoth it is that the markup language somehow connects smaller scripts that are called
20100131 13:42:32< Ivanovic> but using plain perl or the likes (a real scripting language) for everything would be hell in many cases
20100131 13:42:58< Ivanovic> that is there is lua support since "not long ago" which can be used for embedded "real" scriping, which was not possible before
20100131 13:44:24< Ivanovic> anyway, i am off for some hours, cu
20100131 13:47:50< CIA-62> boucman * r40968 /trunk/src/builder.cpp: fix multiple flags not working in [terrain_graphics] (they worked in [tile])
20100131 14:04:00< CIA-62> crab * r40969 /trunk/data/core/macros/ai_controller.cfg: Rework AI controller - use [modify_ai] tags. Beta. Works.
20100131 14:04:15< Crab_> zookeeper: ^ I'll change it a bit later (there's some code which can be removed). but it works.
20100131 14:06:40< CIA-62> crab * r40970 /trunk/data/core/macros/ai_controller.cfg: a small bugfix for ai_controller -one case was not working correctly
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20100131 14:10:54< zookeeper> looks nice...i can even sort of understand how it works :P
20100131 14:13:29< boucman> ok, I got the basic water working, only all the coasts left to do :P
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20100131 14:41:53< mordante> servus
20100131 14:49:57< mordante> ping AI0867
20100131 15:02:13< boucman> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=406658#p406658 <= is there such transition somewhere ? (i.e cliff to water)
20100131 15:03:35< zookeeper> no
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20100131 15:40:36< CIA-62> thespaceinvader * r40971 /trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Add and wire new Drake attack icons, add inferno8 to credits.
20100131 15:41:25< fendrin> Ivanovic: Hello, please tell me how I can generate an eclipse project build tree with the EXPERIMENTAL flag enabled with cmake.
20100131 15:44:36< mordante> fendrin, how do you generate your eclipse project with cmake?
20100131 15:45:08< fendrin> mordante: cmake -D ENABLE_EXPERIMENTAL=true -G"Eclipse CDT4 - Unix Makefiles" -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug ../trunk
20100131 15:47:54< boucman> terrains are tricky...
20100131 15:48:15< boucman> our previous terrain coders were also artists, so it was easy to explain what was needed...
20100131 15:48:37< mordante> boucman, oh really?
20100131 15:48:45< boucman> heh :)
20100131 15:49:46< mordante> fendrin, try again with this patch http://paste.debian.net/58207/
20100131 15:49:49< boucman> mordante: you wouldn't know how the exploder/cutter tools work, by any chance ?
20100131 15:50:12< mordante> boucman, no no idea, maybe Jetrel knows
20100131 15:56:48< fendrin> mordante: That did it, thank you :-)
20100131 15:59:51< mordante> fendrin, you're welcome, thanks for testing it
20100131 16:03:11< mordante> I'll commit the code in a sec
20100131 16:12:21< boucman> thespaceinvader: did the zombie idle anim work ?
20100131 16:12:33< thespaceinvader> boucman: not had time to test it as yet
20100131 16:12:37< boucman> k
20100131 16:12:41< thespaceinvader> really should be working on my dissertation...
20100131 16:12:46< boucman> :)
20100131 16:15:35< CIA-62> mordante * r40972 /trunk/CMakeLists.txt: Make ENABLE_EXPERIMENTAL a config parameter.
20100131 16:15:38< CIA-62> mordante * r40973 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (listbox.hpp multi_page.hpp stacked_widget.hpp): Update some doxygen comment.
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20100131 16:34:21< CIA-62> fendrin * r40974 /trunk/src/ (unit.cpp unit.hpp): Added transparent() method to the unit. Transparent returns the path to the transparent unit portrait.
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20100131 17:49:18< thespaceinvader> does anyone know if it is possible to use the debugger to spawn the WC variants?
20100131 17:54:00< CIA-62> fendrin * r40975 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/settings.hpp: Enumtypes for the new message dialoges.
20100131 17:54:59< CIA-62> fendrin * r40976 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/settings.cpp: Registered the new window types.
20100131 17:55:02< mordante> fendrin, that's ^ a bad commit
20100131 17:55:08< thespaceinvader> boucman: from my testing, it seems like the idle animation does not get applied to all variants if it is placed in the correct location in the cfg
20100131 17:55:28< mordante> seems your next commit fixes it
20100131 17:55:33< thespaceinvader> certainly, i've had a couple of non-standard WCs on my screen for a few minutes and they haven't done an idle anim
20100131 17:56:04< thespaceinvader> however, we're not good to commit until major provides us a set of images that are correctly aligned
20100131 17:56:04< boucman> thespaceinvader: you added an anim to the main one, not a variant didn't you ?
20100131 17:56:11< thespaceinvader> yes, i did
20100131 17:56:21< thespaceinvader> but i didn't add it to any of the macros, so i don;t think it mattes
20100131 17:56:28< boucman> well, theoretically, the anim should be shared by all variants,
20100131 17:56:40< boucman> that's why I had you add the empty anim for all variants
20100131 17:57:00< boucman> if it was unneeded for you, i'm a bit surprised...
20100131 17:57:04< CIA-62> fendrin * r40977 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/icon_message.cfg: Added a wml config file for the icon messages.
20100131 17:57:05< thespaceinvader> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/dd1aba62 is what i did
20100131 17:57:10< thespaceinvader> line 200 or so
20100131 17:57:30< thespaceinvader> it would be a lot easier to test if i could spawn WC variants from the debugger
20100131 17:58:01< boucman> hmm that's suprising
20100131 17:58:21< mordante> fendrin also not sure whether adding those items to the list breaks trunk when using experimental
20100131 17:58:22< CIA-62> fendrin * r40978 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (icon_message.cpp icon_message.hpp): Added files that contain icon message class and their childs.
20100131 17:58:24< boucman> you sure you did it correctly (max the idle anim frequency, no unit next to ennemy unit)
20100131 17:59:02< boucman> thespaceinvader: an easy way to test is to replace [idle_anim] by [standing_anim] and see what happens
20100131 17:59:49< Soliton> you can use inherit=no in the variations to prevent sharing.
20100131 18:00:17< Soliton> need to adjust some things for that to work right though.
20100131 18:00:20< CIA-62> fendrin * r40979 /trunk/src/ (CMakeLists.txt SConscript): Adjusted some of the build systems to the new files.
20100131 18:00:57< boucman> mordante: any news from the mp lobby ?
20100131 18:01:24< Soliton> thespaceinvader: you could put some WC variants in the test scenario somewhere.
20100131 18:01:45< thespaceinvader> how do i go about that? Other than by spawning appropriate units and killing them with plague?
20100131 18:01:46< CIA-62> fendrin * r40980 /trunk/src/ (menu_events.cpp menu_events.hpp): Code path for the new gui2 recruit finished.
20100131 18:02:01< thespaceinvader> I can't spawn the WC variants directly with the debugger afaik
20100131 18:02:31< Soliton> i don't know what debugger you mean but i'm pretty sure you can spawn them from WML.
20100131 18:02:39< fendrin> mordante: All is up, do you still have problems?
20100131 18:03:35< mordante> boucman, working on a tree_view widget to replace the player list, but still playing a bit with the design
20100131 18:04:04< boucman> mordante: and a new widget is complicated to do, I guess...
20100131 18:04:13< mordante> fendrin, I never had a problem, I just watched the commits and adding items to settings.hpp and not to settings.cpp is a red flag ;-)
20100131 18:04:24< mordante> boucman, indeed
20100131 18:05:36< thespaceinvader> boucman: i tried it with the anim as a standing anim instead of an idle - it's not inherited across variants
20100131 18:05:38< mordante> I hoped to be able to do it post 1.8, but alas :-(
20100131 18:06:06< mordante> fendrin, I don't play with the experimental features, too busy getting the lobby working
20100131 18:06:37< boucman> thespaceinvader: that's weird... le me look a little
20100131 18:06:45< thespaceinvader> no worries
20100131 18:08:25< boucman> thespaceinvader: you didn't test with bats, did you ?
20100131 18:09:03< thespaceinvader> i tested it just now with a drake, using the standing anim suggestion, and with bats, horses and fish using the idle anim version
20100131 18:10:51< boucman> k
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20100131 18:12:34< boucman> thespaceinvader: ok, got it
20100131 18:12:40< boucman> inherit: if yes, inherits all the properties of the base unit. Defaults to no.
20100131 18:12:46< thespaceinvader> aaaah right
20100131 18:12:47< boucman> it used to default to yes
20100131 18:12:58< boucman> then you should be good
20100131 18:13:03< thespaceinvader> cool cool
20100131 18:13:36< thespaceinvader> well, like i said, the frames major provided are mis-aligned, and i'm still waiting to hear from him about crediting, so i';m going to let him fix them and get back to me before i commit
20100131 18:13:47< thespaceinvader> good to know that the version i have will work, though
20100131 18:14:08 * boucman hopes we will get the animated water in
20100131 18:14:35< boucman> well, at least I have a good comprehension of terrain WML now, so it's a talent we have back in the wesnoth pool...
20100131 18:16:00< mordante> fendrin, r40978 makes Ivanovic unhappy... I'll just wait for him to start cursing after the next pot-update ;-)
20100131 18:16:25< mordante> also I don't think adding all kind of new experimental stuff in the gui area is really wanted
20100131 18:17:52< mordante> I want to work on stabilizing the current code and don't want to look at new code
20100131 18:18:10< mordante> and this seems to be the code I still wanted to review
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20100131 18:21:26< Ivanovic> re
20100131 18:21:32< mordante> hi Ivanovic
20100131 18:23:37< Ivanovic> yes, atm the focus should be on stabilizing (and speeding up where possible) the stuff that was rewritten so far
20100131 18:23:44< Ivanovic> adding new things to the gui *is* bad
20100131 18:27:31< mordante> except for the tree_view widget to fix the player list :-(
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20100131 19:02:42< shadowm_laptop> wesnoth.org appears to be under load
20100131 19:02:57< shadowm_laptop> appeared.
20100131 19:03:51< shadowm_laptop> um, I'm logged in the server but the apache process seems to be timing out for me.
20100131 19:11:12< shadowm_laptop> boucman: what animated water, btw?
20100131 19:11:39< boucman> gimme a sec to find the thread
20100131 19:12:17< shadowm_laptop> I'm not keen on having many animated terrains in mainline, specially if they are going to be used in large areas
20100131 19:12:37< shadowm_laptop> the gamemap animations already keep my wesnoth below 40 fps with very few other units on the map
20100131 19:12:38< boucman> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28584
20100131 19:13:01< shadowm_laptop> okay, I'll check it when wesnoth answers to me.
20100131 19:13:03< Ivanovic> fendrin: and mordante is right, i am about to sharpen my axe
20100131 19:13:08< shadowm_laptop> *wesnoth.org
20100131 19:13:11< Ivanovic> fendrin: you introduced several new strings!
20100131 19:14:23< shadowm_laptop> but I'm the only one who cares about wesnoth's performance anyway
20100131 19:14:29< shadowm_laptop> *the game's
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20100131 19:41:35< AI0867> Crab_: I got a ton of those just playing the scenario, no specific steps
20100131 19:42:56< AI0867> so: start the campaign, advance landar to level 2, cl to scenario 16, fight your way to the chief, killing everything in your way
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20100131 19:51:28< Crab_> AI0867: ok
20100131 19:53:39< AI0867> mordante: pong
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20100131 20:08:50< CIA-62> silene * r40981 /trunk/data/lua/helper.lua: Improved helpers a bit.
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20100131 20:11:12< Espreon> thespaceinvader: You can use "unit variation " to change the variation.
20100131 20:11:54< thespaceinvader> in the debugger? I can;t do scenario WML well enough to do that sort of testing...
20100131 20:12:06< Espreon> Yes.
20100131 20:13:12< mordante> I'm off bye
20100131 20:13:16< Espreon> Make sure that you have the cursor over the unit you wish to modify.
20100131 20:13:20< Espreon> mordante: Goodbye.
20100131 20:13:43< AI0867> Espreon: probably :unit variation=foo
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20100131 20:14:23< Espreon> AI0867: Yeah, yours is probably more correct.
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20100131 20:58:09< thespaceinvader> Espreon: thanks, that works
20100131 20:58:27< Espreon> You are welcome.
20100131 21:08:30< Crab_> zookeeper, boucman, anyone else: I want to allow the AI to trigger certain wml events 'in place' of unit actions, in analogue to the 'right-click' menu which can be made available to humans via WML.
20100131 21:08:31< Crab_> the question is: what is the best way to 'mark' those WML events which are allowed to be called from the AI ? (the actual action will activated by using formula ai candidate action)
20100131 21:09:15< Crab_> (this will allow to 'teach' the ai to use scenario-specific 'special actions' via formula ai)
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20100131 22:01:12< silene> Crab_: whichever way you choose, make sure that it works over the network and inside replays
20100131 22:02:56< Crab_> silene: ok, I'll check that.
20100131 22:05:53< Crab_> silene: btw, about lua-based ai - you prefer work on it to be started only once 1.8 is out ?
20100131 22:07:17< silene> Crab_: if it doesn't touch existing code much, i don't really care when it is started
20100131 22:12:36< Crab_> silene: the biggest 'thing that I don't know how to do cleanly' is : "the same lua code needs to work for different sides". e.g. a function such as 'my_units' should return the list of units for current side. should it accept the side as an argument? or should it take it from somewhere ? if so, from where ?
20100131 22:13:30< Ivanovic> Crab_: is the "component based" AI already the default in 1.7.x?
20100131 22:13:52< Ivanovic> IIRC some weeks ago you talked with boucman about enabling it or something like this, not 100% sure
20100131 22:14:06< Crab_> Ivanovic: 'component based', yes. 'candidate action based', no.
20100131 22:14:17< Crab_> Ivanovic: actually I'm going to enable it soon.
20100131 22:14:21< Crab_> silene: and, it'll probably be best if I do a prototype as a patch, to allow you to review it.
20100131 22:14:23< silene> Crab_: i don't follow; why do you need a "my_units" function? there are already lua functions for accessing units
20100131 22:15:39< Crab_> silene: i wanted to make the point that existing lua functions do not have a notion of 'my side'.
20100131 22:15:48< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20100131 22:16:31< Crab_> silene: and ai is written for the specific side. e.g., each ai needs its own independent variables.
20100131 22:17:50< silene> Crab_: the independent variables can be a table passed to the ai functions; as for the current side number, it can be a global variable for instance
20100131 22:17:52< Crab_> silene: so, the question is - what is the best way to allow lua code to access 'all that is associated with current ai' - for example, would "in each call to lua ai snippet, provide a table representing 'ai for current side'" be a good solution ?
20100131 22:18:07< silene> yes
20100131 22:18:31< Crab_> ok. then, I'll try to code a prototype and post it as a patch
20100131 22:18:39< boucman> how would this work for units a given side doesn't know about ?
20100131 22:19:01< Crab_> boucman: some kind of visibility_check function
20100131 22:19:18< boucman> so we trust the AI not to cheat, unlike in FAI ?
20100131 22:19:25< boucman> (not a critic, just figuring it out)
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20100131 22:19:57< Crab_> boucman: for a prototype, yes, we trust the ai not to cheat , not to do a infinite loop, etc
20100131 22:20:03< boucman> ok
20100131 22:21:37< Crab_> silene: thanks
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