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20100104 07:11:58< MrDudle> so is wesnoth kind of like warcraft?
20100104 07:12:09< MrDudle> or is it like a longer played game
20100104 07:14:15< TaylorSwift> Warcraft is a bad comparison
20100104 07:14:23< MrDudle> what is a good comparison?
20100104 07:14:26< TaylorSwift> Ummm
20100104 07:14:31< TaylorSwift> Some people say Chess
20100104 07:14:35< MrDudle> k
20100104 07:17:03< MrDudle> how many players are there? 
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20100104 07:18:02< TaylorSwift> Dev server's nearly empty, stable server's are usually full of players
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20100104 10:13:32< SirLancer> I thought this is an active channel, but all you do is join and quit.
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20100104 10:18:07< moraes_> welcome to irc
20100104 10:18:53< TaylorSwift>  SirLancer has quit ("Changing server")
20100104 10:19:01< TaylorSwift> Well, he did it too
20100104 10:19:25< TaylorSwift> And so will i shortly XD
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20100104 11:03:35< Lartza_> Make a better game!
20100104 11:03:51< Lartza_> :)
20100104 11:04:17< Lartza_> This is User Channel?
20100104 11:04:20< Lartza_> Not official?
20100104 11:04:39< zookeeper> official user channel.
20100104 11:05:04< Lartza_> It takes ages to compile Wesnoth
20100104 11:05:09< Lartza_> I am gonna be old by then...
20100104 11:05:45< Cyber_Rock> maybe you can grab it from the repo
20100104 11:06:38< Lartza_> What repo?
20100104 11:06:48< Cyber_Rock> using linux?
20100104 11:06:55< Lartza_> Yes, Arch Linux
20100104 11:07:06< Cyber_Rock> repository
20100104 11:07:10< Lartza_> But I want the dev version, so I grabbed the svn
20100104 11:07:20< Lartza_> There is no binary for that, development
20100104 11:07:24< Cyber_Rock> no
20100104 11:07:26< Lartza_> Also the game is pretty big too
20100104 11:07:34< Lartza_> Even when you get binary
20100104 11:07:54< Lartza_> But it's about the compiling now
20100104 11:08:18< Lartza_> Takes AGES!
20100104 11:08:25< Ivanovic> moin
20100104 11:08:35< Lartza_> Other stuff I have compiled have been always faster, wesnoth is always slow
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20100104 11:42:46< moraes_> then i cheated! i edited a save game and added myself 999999 hit points
20100104 11:42:52< moraes_> oh lord how i regret!
20100104 11:43:23< moraes_> i discovered that wesnoth makes a matrix of hitpoints, so each turn would take 72 years to complete
20100104 11:43:54< Bactrian> :o
20100104 11:46:24< fendrin> a matrix of hitpoints? What the hell is that?
20100104 11:48:40< moraes_> from what i understood... to compute enemies moves, wesnoth makes a matrix with all hitpoints
20100104 11:49:11< moraes_> making hitpoints > 1000 not viable, it seems (read this on an issue)
20100104 11:50:43< moraes_> it takes ages to compute an enemy move, then, more as the hitpoint increases
20100104 11:51:41< fendrin> That sounds very unlikely.
20100104 11:52:13< fendrin> Can you point me to the information?
20100104 11:52:14< moraes_> try it :)
20100104 11:52:27< Soliton> he probably means ai moves.
20100104 11:52:33< moraes_> yes. one second, it was in a debian issue (obviously not debian related)
20100104 11:52:59< moraes_> yes, ai moves are not viable with hitpoints > 1000
20100104 11:53:13< moraes_> takes ages. try it.
20100104 11:53:53< moraes_> here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473909
20100104 11:54:13< moraes_> "The game uses a probability matrix to calculate the probabilities the
20100104 11:54:13< moraes_> size of this matrix depends on the number of hitpoints the units have."
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20100104 11:55:30< fendrin> moraes_: Thank you.
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20100104 13:10:31< Lartza_> GOD FUCKING DAMN
20100104 13:10:38< Lartza_> Is svn version broken?
20100104 13:11:26< Lartza_> Anybody tested?
20100104 13:11:37< Ivanovic> *what* do you think might be broken in svn?
20100104 13:11:44< Lartza_> The game?
20100104 13:11:57< Lartza_> I can't press the main menu buttons -.-
20100104 13:12:02< Ivanovic> that is a *little* too generic
20100104 13:12:09< Soliton> downgrade libsdl.
20100104 13:12:18< Ivanovic> that has a simple reason: downgrade to libsdl-1.2.13 and everything will be fine
20100104 13:12:19< Lartza_> Only the little letter on the down right works
20100104 13:12:22< Ivanovic> libsdl 1.2.14 is broken
20100104 13:12:34< Lartza_> No, wesnoth is broken with libsdl :S
20100104 13:12:42< Ivanovic> though the same brokenness also happens with 1.6.x
20100104 13:12:42< Lartza_> I have no idea how I downgrade soemthing
20100104 13:12:58< Ivanovic> search in the docs for your distribution
20100104 13:13:11< Lartza_> That would mean hmm..., 1.6.5 is broken in the repos
20100104 13:13:16< Lartza_> Or there is a fix
20100104 13:13:42< Ivanovic> no, libsdl is broken
20100104 13:13:52< Ivanovic> so distros using that version ship a broken sdl version
20100104 13:13:57< Ivanovic> cf https://gna.org/bugs/?14770
20100104 13:14:01< Ivanovic> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290695
20100104 13:14:18< Ivanovic> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16809
20100104 13:15:20< Lartza_> :/
20100104 13:15:24< Lartza_> Arch I am using
20100104 13:15:57< Lartza_> BUt since I now got it full screen it works
20100104 13:16:10< Ivanovic> yeah, fullscreen does work
20100104 13:16:17< Lartza_> I just got LITTLE frustrated when I compiled wesnoth 2 hours and it seemed like not working
20100104 13:16:23< Ivanovic> it is just that libsdl seems to not behave well with many window managers
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20100104 15:13:56< SekoIdiootti> Is there any chance of getting new music to Wesnoth? I mean, I'm making some "Wesnoth-ish" music, so I wanted to ask.
20100104 15:14:17< SekoIdiootti> (usually I don't do wesnoth-ish music though, just had that sorta inspiration now)
20100104 15:19:35< lwslws> SekoIdiootti: if I'm not mitaked, there's a music development board on the forums
20100104 15:19:38< lwslws> *mistaken
20100104 15:19:49< lwslws> you may wish to post there
20100104 15:20:09< SekoIdiootti> yeah, I know that. I just wanted to ask. :)
20100104 15:20:25< lwslws> :)
20100104 15:20:28 * lwslws lurks moar
20100104 15:22:06< Ivanovic> music is added all the time
20100104 15:22:20< Ivanovic> sometimes those additions are even mentioned in the (complete) changelog, cf http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/trunk/changelog
20100104 15:22:39< Ivanovic> just search for "music" and see several occurences since the release of 1.6
20100104 15:22:41< SekoIdiootti> ooh, cool, then I'll post the things I've done after I've done more than one
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20100104 15:31:45< fendrin> SekoIdiootti: Just post it piece by piece. Don't start a second one if the first has not been reviewed. 
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20100104 15:33:22< WebIrcDog> Hello.
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20100104 15:34:40< SekoIdiootti> do I post .ogg or .mp3?
20100104 15:35:27< fendrin> SekoIdiootti: That doesn't matter both is fine for the first post.
20100104 15:35:31< SekoIdiootti> ok
20100104 15:36:09< SekoIdiootti> well it's not "first" since I've earlier posted some... crappy non-wesnothy songs I made.
20100104 15:36:46< fendrin> SekoIdiootti: What I meant with "first" was mp3 is okay for the review phase. 
20100104 15:36:55< SekoIdiootti> oh
20100104 15:37:21< SekoIdiootti> I already attached the ogg in the post... So I post the ogg...
20100104 15:37:34< SekoIdiootti> and now I got error that it's too large! D:
20100104 15:37:49< SekoIdiootti> I put it in mediafire
20100104 15:37:54< WebIrcDog> Use MeowMultiSound to OGGize MP3
20100104 15:38:31< fendrin> SekoIdiootti: Yeah, the limit is rather low. Best to put it on a hosting side and provide a link to there.
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20100104 15:41:07< SekoIdiootti> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=401656#p401656 <-the post
20100104 15:44:07< WebIrcDog> http://www.meow-prod.com/ - download MeowMultiSound, to OGGize MP3's.
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20100104 15:53:11< fendrin> GeorgeGhoal: Every converion between different non loseless formats means another loss in quality. Best to encode from a wav with the commandline tool oggenc. It's part of every linux distribution.
20100104 15:53:26< fendrin> s/converion/conversion
20100104 15:54:26< GeorgeGhoal> What if you're not a Nixxr?
20100104 15:55:45< fendrin> I guess it can be downloaded for the lesser operation systems as well.
20100104 15:56:18< GeorgeGhoal> My dad forces me to use lame W!ND0W$ ?7
20100104 15:56:32< fendrin> Why?
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20100104 15:57:12< zookeeper> i bet he doesn't force you to use his computer.
20100104 15:57:14< GeorgeGhoal> plus, in Russia, there's nobody to instruct me and my dad to use NIXes.
20100104 15:58:04< fendrin> I instructed my myself when switching to linux. There is plenty of online help available.
20100104 15:58:40< fendrin> And that was at a time where you had to compile the kernel in order to have sound support.
20100104 15:59:34< GeorgeGhoal> plus ev1 has NTFSed HDD's, which NIXes detest.
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20100104 16:00:15< GeorgeGhoal> M!(r0$0f7 reached their nasty goals in Russia, unlike other regions.
20100104 16:01:14< GeorgeGhoal> I'd say "PukeSoft Backdoors 7", not "Microsoft Windows 7".
20100104 16:01:27< fendrin> NTFS partitions can be easily resized. Every modern linux installer gives you the option.
20100104 16:02:02< GeorgeGhoal> every? not Ubuntu's WinInst.
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20100104 16:02:17< fendrin> I have a Windows7 partition in ntfs for some games still around beside the linux which is used for every else.
20100104 16:02:33< fendrin> Sure, Ubuntu offers that option.
20100104 16:03:16< GeorgeGhoal> Ubuntu's BiosInstall, not that under Windows. When I tried running Ubuntu on NTFSed HDD, it puked in my face.
20100104 16:04:00< GeorgeGhoal> but on my old PC, with FAT32ed HDD, Ubuntu had no trouble.
20100104 16:05:19< fendrin> Well, I have running it side by side without trouble. NTFS Windows, Ext3 Linux. I used what you call BiosInstall but why shouldn't that be used.
20100104 16:06:02< GeorgeGhoal> Because Ubuntu's installer that is under Windows... lacks formatting
20100104 16:06:31< Ivanovic> why would you run the installer right from windows?
20100104 16:06:40< Ivanovic> and not just boot the live cd/dvd and install from that?
20100104 16:06:58< GeorgeGhoal> Because I do not know how to CDize BIOS.
20100104 16:07:05< Ivanovic> huh?
20100104 16:07:16< Ivanovic> you mean that you are not able to select "boot from CD"?
20100104 16:07:18< GeorgeGhoal> that differs between manufacturers' BIOSes.
20100104 16:08:03< GeorgeGhoal> I do not know how to switch to booting from CD.
20100104 16:08:10< Ivanovic> normally you get several hundred messages right after switching on the computer, some stating "press XYZ to select boot order"
20100104 16:08:23< Ivanovic> you press that button, select "from cd" and that's it
20100104 16:08:45< Ivanovic> often it is F12 or the likes
20100104 16:08:48 * fendrin never saw a bios where booting from cd was hard to select.
20100104 16:09:25< GeorgeGhoal> Better if Windows a "reboot into CD mode" option
20100104 16:09:32< GeorgeGhoal> had *
20100104 16:10:23< GeorgeGhoal> So to have Ubuntu installed on a separate partition, I need to ask my dad, who strongly opposes LINUX.
20100104 16:11:19< rosso> windows cant say "boot from cd", thats technically impossible
20100104 16:11:53< rosso> you could use a usb ddevice to install your favourite OS and boot from usb
20100104 16:12:02< rosso> no need to touch your dad´s HDD
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20100104 16:12:39< GeorgeGhoal> USB device? my Flash stick is only 1 GB, Ubuntu needs 4.
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20100104 16:13:14< rosso> well you might cconsider getting a bigger one or you might consider to accepty your fate
20100104 16:14:05< GeorgeGhoal> There are rumors that in 2011, our government will create own LINUX build, baded on BBUbuntu.
20100104 16:14:18< GeorgeGhoal> BBUbuntu - Ubuntu with Blackbox desktop.
20100104 16:17:07< GeorgeGhoal> Then every single PC will be checked, and if the copy of Windows is illegal, they'll forcefully install a special build of Linux, currently codenamed EagleOS.
20100104 16:19:57< Ivanovic> and suddenly 90% of all computers in russia are running linux...
20100104 16:19:59< Ivanovic> ;)
20100104 16:20:22< moraes_> and suddenly win market share drops from 90% to 30%
20100104 16:21:26< GeorgeGhoal> low-end machines will have Blackbox, styled to look like Windows 98, hi-end machines will use a KDE-like desktop by 1C.
20100104 16:22:38< GeorgeGhoal> As Wesnoth is the most notable NIX game, the community of Wesnoth will grow instantly.
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20100104 16:23:24< moraes_> wesnoth is not the most notable nix game
20100104 16:23:32< moraes_> super tux is!
20100104 16:24:26< GeorgeGhoal> hardcore gamers aren't ready to play something arcade-style like most penguin games.
20100104 16:25:07< Ivanovic> don't forget stuff like openarena
20100104 16:25:30< GeorgeGhoal> they'd rather play a wargame like Panzer General or a RTS like WZ2100.
20100104 16:26:28< GeorgeGhoal> CF and Wesnoth will be quite popular, as they're hexagonal TB wargames like PG was.
20100104 16:26:57< Ivanovic> don't forget games like the good old ut2004 and neverwinter nights
20100104 16:27:09< Ivanovic> yes, there are commercial games out there with a native linux version
20100104 16:27:17< moraes_> yes. nn.
20100104 16:27:23< moraes_> miss more rpg's.
20100104 16:28:03< moraes_> they are all unfinished / abandoned / nethack stuff.
20100104 16:28:15< GeorgeGhoal> RPG's? WarZone Online?
20100104 16:29:21< moraes_> for linux?
20100104 16:30:01< Ivanovic> sacred gold has a native linux version, though i'd not really call it rpg, it is more of an action game, similar to diablo
20100104 16:30:38< moraes_> yeah. played on windows years ago.
20100104 16:30:40< GeorgeGhoal> why Linux? browser-based MMO with gfx of Warzone.
20100104 16:30:50< moraes_> decent one.
20100104 16:31:18< Ivanovic> GeorgeGhoal: i don't like MMO, i prefer *good* singleplayer rpg games
20100104 16:31:21< moraes_> GeorgeGhoal, failed to google it, found a windows game only
20100104 16:31:33< moraes_> Ivanovic, me too.
20100104 16:31:51< Ivanovic> sadly there is not much available at all
20100104 16:31:53< moraes_> a good, long story.
20100104 16:31:55< GeorgeGhoal> good single-player RPG? Fallout?
20100104 16:32:03< Ivanovic> stuff like gothic or drakensang is sadly windows only
20100104 16:32:30< moraes_> yes. or morrowind.
20100104 16:32:41< Ivanovic> though i am looking forward to the gemrb project which will hopefully allow me to eventually play the baldurs gate series natively under linux
20100104 16:32:47< Ivanovic> as well as planescape torment
20100104 16:32:59< moraes_> baldur's gate & co, hell yes.
20100104 16:33:03< GeorgeGhoal> browser version of Fallout, lol.
20100104 16:33:12< Ivanovic> (ahhhh, planescape torment on the pandora once it is out will be a *great* thing...)
20100104 16:33:30< moraes_> Leisure Suit Larry in The Land Of Lounge Lizards
20100104 16:33:33< moraes_> :-P
20100104 16:33:39< GeorgeGhoal> Pandora? it's worse than my old PC!
20100104 16:33:58< GeorgeGhoal> kek
20100104 16:34:29< GeorgeGhoal> 300 MHz, 128 MB RAM...
20100104 16:34:44< Ivanovic> uhm, wrong specs?
20100104 16:34:54< Ivanovic> http://www.open-pandora.org/
20100104 16:35:19< Ivanovic> and yeah, of course it has less hardware than your (desktop) pc, it is a handheld, about the same size as a nintendo ds lite
20100104 16:35:34< moraes_> there's a browser version of larry now: http://sarien.net/larry
20100104 16:35:42< moraes_> old old text rpg :P
20100104 16:37:14< moraes_> guys reverse-engineered the abandonware and put in a broswer
20100104 16:37:50< GeorgeGhoal> 600MHZ?
20100104 16:38:13< GeorgeGhoal> RAM is not specified...
20100104 16:38:20< GeorgeGhoal> but CPU is like my old PC.
20100104 16:38:29< Ivanovic> yeah, 600MHz (okay, by now validated by TexasInstruments for 720MHz) arm cortex a8
20100104 16:38:34< Ivanovic> 256MB ram
20100104 16:38:49< Ivanovic> the cpu is most likely a lot faster than your old pc cpu
20100104 16:38:56< Ivanovic> it is *not* some x86 stuff
20100104 16:38:59< GeorgeGhoal> 600MHZ, 256MB RAM - exactly my old PC!!!
20100104 16:39:17< Ivanovic> compeltely different architecture so not exactly like your old pc
20100104 16:39:17< GeorgeGhoal> Exactly like my old PC, except for ARM arc
20100104 16:39:25< Ivanovic> that makes all the difference
20100104 16:39:49< Ivanovic> or would you eg call a core2duo where you deactivate one core and clock it down to 600mhz as "exactly like your old pc"?
20100104 16:40:26< GeorgeGhoal> the only diff between my old PC and Pandora is arc. spd/RAM is same, kek
20100104 16:40:41< Ivanovic> this thing is already right now (not much work into it, not well optimized) almost able to emulate n64 fluently
20100104 16:40:52< moraes_> enough for a lot of games
20100104 16:40:53< Ivanovic> is your old 600mhz pc able to do this?
20100104 16:41:06< Ivanovic> or full speed playstation emulation
20100104 16:41:42< GeorgeGhoal> PS? I emulated a GTA1 once, it sucked. Not because of lag, because emul is lame.
20100104 16:41:46< Ivanovic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPYDDFwyG0U
20100104 16:41:57< Ivanovic> emulation is *full speed*
20100104 16:42:04< Ivanovic> just as if you were using the real console
20100104 16:42:17< GeorgeGhoal> I don't watch youtube. it's a lagger.
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20100104 16:43:22< GeorgeGhoal> So p@nd0r@'s lame and sl0w
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20100104 16:43:34< GeorgeGhoal> :(
20100104 16:43:49< Ivanovic> the pandora is really not slow and lame
20100104 16:44:11< Ivanovic> in general it basically has the same or even more power as eg current netbooks
20100104 16:44:19< GeorgeGhoal> it's spd and mem are comparable to my old PC
20100104 16:44:32< Ivanovic> no, the speed is *NOT* comparable with your old pc
20100104 16:44:46< Soliton> he's not going to get it.
20100104 16:44:51< Ivanovic> you are not running some windows 98 on this which itself needs 128MB
20100104 16:45:14< Ivanovic> it is comparable to the iphone 3GS or the nokia n900 or ....
20100104 16:45:39 * Ivanovic does not understand how people just see the speed in MHz as equivalent to "computation power"
20100104 16:46:08< Ivanovic> do people still think that a pentium 4 3.6GHz is faster than a core2duo with 1.5GHz?
20100104 16:46:40< GeorgeGhoal> kek, I remember I couldn't run a DOS demo of a 1999 game on XP on my old machine.
20100104 16:47:04< Ivanovic> and on this thing there is no windows
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20100104 16:47:13< Ivanovic> and no dos either
20100104 16:47:24< GeorgeGhoal> there's a NIX
20100104 16:47:54< Ivanovic> it is a plain and normal linux
20100104 16:48:06< Ivanovic> and yeah, wesnoth will most likely run nicely on it
20100104 16:48:09< GeorgeGhoal> with some lame tab-based desktop and other pee
20100104 16:48:33 * Ivanovic ignored GeorgeGhoal from now on since he does not understand anything anyway...
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20100104 17:06:32< GeorgeGhoal> shit
20100104 17:06:57< GeorgeGhoal> Pandora seems to be a handheld by few ex-GP2X'ers
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20100104 18:55:17< sYsek|> lot of people here ;P
20100104 18:55:39< Jarkko> Not so sure about, how many of them are talking :)
20100104 18:55:56< sYsek|> bots? :)
20100104 18:56:11< sYsek|> i had question
20100104 18:56:18< sYsek|> how to get some replays ? :>
20100104 18:56:48< Jarkko> Like replays out of your games or someone else's?
20100104 18:57:27< sYsek|> from sb else game
20100104 18:57:34< Soliton> replays.wesnoth.org
20100104 18:59:11< sYsek|> hm, ty ;)
20100104 19:02:24< sYsek|> i opened site, chose 1.6 and i have lot of folders
20100104 19:02:34< sYsek|> how to search sth?
20100104 19:03:48< sYsek|> i wish to find some ladder games
20100104 19:04:13< Soliton> then go to the ladder site.
20100104 19:04:40< sYsek|> oh...
20100104 19:06:56< sYsek|> i got it, ty
20100104 19:12:32< sYsek|> ech
20100104 19:12:37< sYsek|> where should i paste them ?
20100104 19:13:22< Soliton> you have trouble giving context to your questions.
20100104 19:13:33< sYsek|> them i mean replays
20100104 19:13:44< sYsek|> i downloaded some
20100104 19:13:58< sYsek|> and now, how to watch them :P
20100104 19:22:47< sYsek|> how to wathc replays. I have already download them, what should i do now ?
20100104 19:25:09< moraes_> load it
20100104 19:25:46< sYsek|> should I put them somewhere befor?
20100104 19:25:56< sYsek|> i mean paste them
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20100104 19:35:59< sYsek|> i dont know what to do
20100104 19:36:02< sYsek|> how to load it ? :(
20100104 19:37:13< sYsek|> omg
20100104 19:37:15< sYsek|> i get it
20100104 19:40:18< moraes_> weee!
20100104 19:40:25< moraes_> weee time!
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