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20100111 01:11:25< MikeJB> I think Red Hat should make an Unbreakable OpenSolaris once the Oracle-Sun merger goes through.
20100111 01:12:39< MikeJB> The Solaris you know and love, but with the quality support of Red Hat and better integration with JBoss.
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20100111 03:57:59< azar_wolf> Hello
20100111 04:00:32< fendrin> azar_wolf: hello
20100111 04:00:55< azar_wolf> Is it usually this quiet here?
20100111 04:01:19< azar_wolf> ^^ just curious... (saw a link on the forums and thought I'd peek in)
20100111 04:01:30< fendrin> azar_wolf: Not all the time, but it's 4 am in europe. And most developers are from europe.
20100111 04:01:40< azar_wolf> really? oh
20100111 04:02:03< azar_wolf> I'm from california... XD That explains a lot...
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20100111 04:51:21< HandyGandy> So anyone around who can make suggestions about HttT Battle for Wesnoth scenario on challenging?
20100111 04:52:18< HandyGandy> Like is 1100 enough to start with and win?
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20100111 06:05:12< azar_wolf> I'm (re)starting my mod from about a year ago, and I was looking to see if anyone had any input on my ideas
20100111 06:05:21< azar_wolf> Here's a link to the thread: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=28424
20100111 06:06:38< azar_wolf> I'm going to be leaving irc in just a moment, so ideas can be posted in the thread. (Yeah, I know its a long post. But hey: it's better than a vague one-liner (though somehow those seem to get more posts, even if it is just people asking what you're doing...))
20100111 06:06:43< azar_wolf> gn everyone
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20100111 09:59:07< Dessawy_> Hi, in the Wesnoth dev release in the campaign "Under the burning suns" , I get the Unknown unit error. Anyone know if it's easily fixable?
20100111 10:00:44< Rhonda> Dessawy_: uninstall your addons and begin again
20100111 10:01:14< Dessawy_> Rhonda, hm I don't have any addons installed right now...
20100111 10:04:08< Rhonda> You don't have Invasion from the Unknown downloaded?
20100111 10:04:50< Dessawy_> nope.
20100111 10:04:54< Dessawy_> do I need it?
20100111 10:07:46< Rhonda> No
20100111 10:07:54< Rhonda> Rather the contrary. :)
20100111 10:08:36< Rhonda> I've only heard of such an issue with having addons/eras installed.
20100111 10:09:36< zookeeper> probably this: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28413
20100111 10:09:37< Dessawy_> okay thanks, though. I think it's those dust devil thingies which it somehow can't display
20100111 10:10:51< Dessawy_> oh. yeah that's it thanks....I probably should start using the forum search... ;)
20100111 10:13:28< zookeeper> you might want to try getting http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/02_Across_the_Harsh_Sands.cfg?rev=40529
20100111 10:13:50< zookeeper> ...replace the scenario file with that and then restart the game and the scenario
20100111 10:14:11< zookeeper> if it's due to the duplicate unit id thing then that should help, otherwise i wouldn't know
20100111 10:15:47< Ivanovic> moin
20100111 10:19:25< Dessawy_> zookeeper: didn't work... still many thanks :)
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20100111 10:24:57< zookeeper> Dessawy_, so at what point does that crash happen? right after nym opens the bottle?
20100111 10:25:10< zookeeper> or just when you move somewhere?
20100111 10:26:48< Dessawy_> zookeeper, the former.
20100111 10:27:40< zookeeper> right...that's pretty odd
20100111 10:28:24 * zookeeper wonders if it could be a missing side=1
20100111 10:30:48< zookeeper> if you want to try something, then you could just open up the a savefile from just before that happens, find id="Dust Devil" in it and add a new line side="1" somewhere inside that [unit] tag
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20100111 10:42:10< faryshta> zookeeper, do you know how to use the "variation" tag?
20100111 10:43:09< zookeeper> faryshta, more or less, yes
20100111 10:43:22< faryshta> zookeeper, what triggers that tag?
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20100111 10:44:00< zookeeper> you mean how does one create a unit which uses a specific variation of its type?
20100111 10:44:48< faryshta> zookeeper, maybe. I don't know. What I am intending is to use that tag for making unit which first need an AMLA to advance.
20100111 10:45:14< faryshta> Something close to Kaleh from UtBS.
20100111 10:45:19< zookeeper> right
20100111 10:46:04< faryshta> Except I am intending it to change description, when raises level.
20100111 10:46:07< zookeeper> make that AMLA include an [effect] apply_to=variation name=variationname
20100111 10:47:10< faryshta> zookeeper, ok, that will trigger the variation tag?
20100111 10:48:44< zookeeper> that will switch the unit to the given variation
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20100111 10:50:40< faryshta> Ohh ok.
20100111 10:54:15< faryshta> Can I trigger a variation when the unit is created?
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20100111 10:54:59< zookeeper> SingleUnitWML would tell you
20100111 10:55:50< pessoa> someone must have screwed up wesnoth.org completely
20100111 10:57:24< faryshta> y?
20100111 10:58:16< pessoa> it doesn't load, and hang forever
20100111 10:59:11< zookeeper> works for me
20100111 11:06:30< Sacho> same here
20100111 11:06:38< Sacho> works fine :)
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20100111 11:28:22< HandyGandy> Anyone around who can make suggestions about HttT Battle for Wesnoth scenario on challenging?
20100111 11:28:27< HandyGandy> Like is 1100 enough to start with and win?
20100111 11:28:41< pessoa> save and reload
20100111 11:29:03< pessoa> 1100 isn't even enough on medium
20100111 11:31:44< HandyGandy> Hmm. I would have thought that you come into the scenario with less cash on challenging, because it is harder.
20100111 11:33:33< zookeeper> err? 1100 sounds like a lot.
20100111 11:34:24< zookeeper> that's like 10 castlefuls of units
20100111 11:35:06< HandyGandy> In the last scenario you need a lot.
20100111 11:35:12< zookeeper> sure, but still
20100111 11:35:15< pessoa> there's only one house on your side, and the upkeep costs tear that down really fast
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20100111 11:37:12< pessoa> the northern units will need to rotate often, because the orcish assisns poison thjem all the time
20100111 11:39:19< HandyGandy> PLus you need a lone just to get killed ( mostly ).
20100111 11:43:08< pessoa> and if Elrian has already died, it's even a nightmare on easy
20100111 11:44:11< HandyGandy> Who is Elrian?
20100111 11:44:35< pessoa> it's the mage who joins you prettty early in the campaign
20100111 11:45:04< pessoa> Isle of Andouin, or so ...
20100111 11:46:22< HandyGandy> Why is he important compared to other mages?
20100111 11:48:23< pessoa> because Elraan is loyal, thus does not require upkeep costs
20100111 11:48:39< pessoa> oh, Morimaru is even better, but a lot harder to get
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20100111 11:50:10< pessoa> the white mage one might find on the isle of the doomed, if one is lucky
20100111 11:50:39< pessoa> but the guy who made that scenario is a dangerous sadist
20100111 11:57:40< Sacho> any ideas on rise of wesnoth on hard, the first three scenarios?
20100111 11:57:57< Sacho> I can beat them, but it doesn't seem I get much $$ from them
20100111 11:58:54< Sacho> and they feel very rushy
20100111 11:58:59< Sacho> like I never have time to get a good position
20100111 11:59:11< pessoa> rise of wesnoth is impossible even on medium
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20100111 12:01:06< zookeeper> Sacho, well, except the first scenario, i guess you just have to micromanage your moves pretty well
20100111 12:01:25< zookeeper> they're by no means impossible
20100111 12:01:41< Sacho> If I don't rush it feels like the thief lady slows me down a lot
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20100111 12:01:51< Sacho> so I'd need to grab villages, which means draining the front line
20100111 12:02:09< Sacho> and the 2nd one I just can't win cleanly
20100111 12:02:29< zookeeper> yeah, the second scenario you pretty much need to rush
20100111 12:02:30< Sacho> I usually just rush in with 4 horsemen and suicide them so I can clear a path to the lady
20100111 12:02:41< Sacho> feels sad for all that $$ and exp :)
20100111 12:03:01< zookeeper> it's all good if it works
20100111 12:03:12< Sacho> I just don't know how much I'd need the $$ for later scenarios
20100111 12:03:30< pessoa> horsemen are a crappy invention of the developers. they are too much random
20100111 12:03:31< zookeeper> well you don't really need that much for any of the early scenarios IIRC
20100111 12:03:37< Sacho> nod
20100111 12:04:31< Sacho> And the 3rd scenario, I've only done once out of several tries
20100111 12:05:00< Sacho> because what usually happens is I get a unit death or two and the wolf rider spam proceeds to slay my mages/woundeds
20100111 12:05:07< pessoa> the third scenario is that with the long march down the mountains?
20100111 12:05:10< Sacho> yeah
20100111 12:05:22< adame> exuse me : is there a bug with ubuntu 9.10 ? hang on quit thing ?
20100111 12:06:06< adame> had the bug on my eeepc, and works now perfectly with wesnoth --smallgui --nosound
20100111 12:06:22< zookeeper> the third was one of the hardest early scenarios when i was playing it with mages only
20100111 12:06:23< adame> seems that there is the same problem on my desktop
20100111 12:06:36< zookeeper> the second was really tricky too...after those it got easier
20100111 12:06:50< pessoa> having the orcs attack from the mountain, while staying on the path, is terrible, especially at night ...
20100111 12:07:54< pessoa> is the dwarf Burin already a steelclad on hard? or does one have to develop him first?
20100111 12:08:24< zookeeper> always a steelclad
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20100111 12:10:38< pessoa> some campaigns have certain loyal troops start out on as lower levels on harder difficulties than on easier difficulties, such as the south guard
20100111 12:17:11< zookeeper> yeah, well, haldric starts at lvl0 on hard in TRoW too. that 4-2 wooden sword is a real bugger ;)
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20100111 12:47:31< Sacho> Luckily you can lvl him up on the first level
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20100111 13:57:37< sevis> G'day, just making sure - starting to observe a game that is already running does not disturb it, right?
20100111 13:58:27< zookeeper> correct
20100111 13:58:39< sevis> Thanks
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20100111 21:07:46< GeorgeGhoal> Hello.
20100111 21:08:33< GeorgeGhoal> Will a browser game, based on Wesnoth, be released?
20100111 21:09:04< shadowmaster> maybe. The mainline developers have nothing to do with that if it happens. Stop asking.
20100111 21:09:10< Ivanovic> no, at least nothing official is planned
20100111 21:09:36< fendrin> Wasn't there already a game released? In java.
20100111 21:10:15< GeorgeGhoal> a browser 3D MMORPG King's_Bounty sort, with Wesnoth-style battles.
20100111 21:11:03< shadowmaster> look at the Game Development forum.
20100111 21:12:11< GeorgeGhoal> that MMO should have some paid things like character skins for 3D overworld, etc. that would keep Wesnoth servers up without go0gle
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