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20100123 02:51:56< iyrdcil> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
20100123 02:51:56< iyrdcil> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
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20100123 02:56:18< HerrStrauss> lol
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20100123 02:56:28< HerrStrauss> Imitating official messages
20100123 02:56:29< HerrStrauss> Nice.
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20100123 03:34:09< joshua__> how to set -O3 in scons?
20100123 03:35:19< shadowmaster> joshua__: scons extra_flags_<build config name>
20100123 03:35:38< shadowmaster> er, scons extra_flags_<build config name>=-O3
20100123 03:35:51< shadowmaster> where build config name is one of "release", "debug", etc.
20100123 03:36:34< joshua__> well since I'm taking default build name?
20100123 03:36:46< shadowmaster> release
20100123 03:37:52< joshua__> here we go scons extra_flags_release=-O3 prefix=/usr/local
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20100123 03:50:02< shadowmaster> 1/save
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20100123 10:57:04< Ivanovic> moin
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20100123 17:59:26< muep_> hello
20100123 17:59:43< muep_> it is quite interesting that the default for wesnoth is to compile with -Werror
20100123 17:59:54< muep_> but is this just for the development version?
20100123 18:00:45< shadowmaster> it's for all versions AFAIK.
20100123 18:01:08< shadowmaster> you can disable strict compilation with some parameters depending on the build system, but if your compiler is producing a warning, you may want to tell us
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20100123 18:02:19< muep_> the copy of gcc 4.1.2 included in CentOS 5.4 seems to find something worthy of a warning
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20100123 18:04:59< muep_> here is the output, if anyone is interested: http://fpaste.org/d3Fr/
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20100123 20:40:33< FreakWent> hi
20100123 20:40:47< shadowmaster> hi there.
20100123 20:41:14< FreakWent> I was in here a few weeks ago, and someone offered help on why wesnoth -- and other SDL games -- have no sound.  There's no errors on the console, just no sound.  Does anyone remember the fix for this?
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20100123 20:42:30< shadowmaster> FreakWent: IIRC that tends to happen to Ubuntu users with their PulseAudio thingy.
20100123 20:42:52< shadowmaster> but I don't remember if there was any solution besides not using PulseAudio. I use Debian and ALSA myself.
20100123 20:44:21< elias> not using PA always is a good idea
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20100123 20:44:58< elias> for one it cuts down the minimum latency of all sound from like 0.5 seconds to almost 0 :)
20100123 20:51:35< FreakWent> Well, I'm not using pulseaudi but thanks anyway.
20100123 20:51:46< muep_> would be a good idea to just fix the pulseaudio issues
20100123 20:52:17< shadowmaster> FreakWent: check Wesnoth's preferences
20100123 20:52:23< muep_> it certainly can work just fine
20100123 20:52:47< shadowmaster> FreakWent: sometimes when an OSS application locks my card and I use Wesnoth, and restart again after it's been unlocked, sound still doesn't work because Wesnoth decided to disable it the first time
20100123 20:53:09< shadowmaster> muep_: that's a task for the SDL devs, unfortunately.
20100123 20:53:25< shadowmaster> or maybe PulseAudio's devs. :P
20100123 20:53:36< FreakWent> hmr, no it's not that.
20100123 20:54:00< muep_> shadowmaster: at least in Fedora, SDL apps work with pulseaudio out of the box
20100123 20:54:04< FreakWent> the boxes to enable sound are disabled.
20100123 20:54:33< FreakWent> sdl-mixer is installed
20100123 20:54:36< shadowmaster> what system are you using anyway?
20100123 20:54:37< FreakWent> how peculiar
20100123 20:54:54< FreakWent> gentoo - So it's probably my own fault somewhere down the line.
20100123 20:55:32< muep_> can wesnoth be compiled without sound support?
20100123 20:56:19< muep_> if some other alsa-using apps can output sound, I'd guess it could be that, or maybe some other app has reserved the sound card
20100123 20:56:36< shadowmaster> no, Wesnoth requires sound support.
20100123 20:57:11< shadowmaster> well, actually, it requires SDL's sound APIs via the SDL_mixer library. So if SDL is e.g. using a /dev/null backend, Wesnoth could work without sound support
20100123 20:57:11< FreakWent> can I persuade wesnoth to dump verbose/debugging output?
20100123 20:57:26< shadowmaster> FreakWent: yes, but that might not help if the issue is at SDL
20100123 20:57:36< FreakWent> ..which it probably is.
20100123 20:58:23< shadowmaster> wesnoth --log-info=audio
20100123 21:00:37< FreakWent> that shows nothing audio-related on the terminal.  The sound system isn't locked by other s/ware either.  How weird....
20100123 21:01:16< shadowmaster> Ivanovic is a gentoo user and could possibly help.
20100123 21:01:52< FreakWent> I am a patient man. I will just sleep over here in the corner, until he's available.
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20100123 21:05:45< Ivanovic> FreakWent: how have you installed wesnoth?
20100123 21:05:49< Ivanovic> plain via portage?
20100123 21:07:01< FreakWent> hello!
20100123 21:07:06< FreakWent> yes, as normal.
20100123 21:08:13< FreakWent> recently built this system, sound works fine in general -- although sometimes I need the 'aoss' trick to let apps share the sound system -- but that's not what's happening at the moment, there's no contention for the sounds device(s).
20100123 21:10:43< Ivanovic> sound works fine in other sdl based progs?
20100123 21:11:09< FreakWent> no
20100123 21:11:21< Ivanovic> there you are!
20100123 21:11:23< FreakWent> It's an sdl problem really, more so than a wesnoth problem
20100123 21:11:29< Ivanovic> your sdl ain't working correctly!
20100123 21:11:36< FreakWent> but I think you guys suggested a fix last time, but I can't recall.
20100123 21:11:50< Ivanovic> what are your sdl useflags?
20100123 21:12:04< FreakWent> ah! there is an sdl channel, I hadn;t realised....
20100123 21:12:05< Ivanovic> emerge -pv libsdl
20100123 21:12:36< FreakWent> -alsa 
20100123 21:12:42 * FreakWent blushes
20100123 21:12:47< FreakWent> reckon that'd be it?
20100123 21:12:53< Ivanovic> jupp
20100123 21:13:13< Ivanovic> do *not* set global -USE flags on stuff like alsa when you use alsa as your sound system!
20100123 21:13:28< FreakWent> -directfb, -opengl, -svga. Ha!
20100123 21:13:31< FreakWent> No it's not global
20100123 21:13:37< FreakWent> global USE is:
20100123 21:13:46< FreakWent> USE="offensive slit toolbar X svg vorbis jpeg png gnutls truetype dbus qt3support"
20100123 21:13:54< Ivanovic> directfb and svga are basically irrelevant
20100123 21:14:06< Ivanovic> emerge --info will tell you what is *really* set as global flags
20100123 21:14:11< Ivanovic> some stuff is automatically set
20100123 21:14:29< FreakWent> When I started I used to go through the list of available flags, read the effects of each and end up with a massive list.  Now I only add flags when stuff don't work.
20100123 21:14:59< Ivanovic> useflags are there so that you can easily decide what you want supported in your system
20100123 21:15:09< Ivanovic> you should set the flags depending on what you want from the system
20100123 21:15:17< Ivanovic> not depending on things working or not
20100123 21:15:31< FreakWent> emerge --info doens't include alsa either.  Weird.  Anyway, I have a fix now, thank you very much Ivanaovic
20100123 21:15:35< Ivanovic> that is the tuning you do later on on a per package base if things don't turn out too well
20100123 21:16:12< FreakWent> I see what you're saying .. bu thtere are too many damn flags to spend that amount of time.  Mind you, how long have I spent in here wasting your time as well as mine? 
20100123 21:16:36< FreakWent> No wonder gentoo users get teased... It's all becuase of me giving them a bad name.  Thanks everyone!
20100123 21:16:53< shadowmaster> he, he.
20100123 21:17:18< Ivanovic> basically you spend the time once and that's it
20100123 21:17:29< Ivanovic> and there is no need to read about every freaking useflag
20100123 21:17:42< sevis_> FreakWent, have you looked at /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc? That's how I figured out about what I do/don't need.
20100123 21:18:02< Ivanovic> stuff where you got no idea what it is at all is probably not relevant for you
20100123 21:18:03< Ivanovic> ;)
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20100123 21:40:20< FreakWent> that worked (predictably).  Daahh, derm, dum.  Dee, dee dum dee dee dee dah.., Dah derm dum.....  Nice wesnoth music.
20100123 21:40:24< FreakWent> thanks again.
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