--- Log opened Fri Feb 05 00:00:12 2010
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20100205 00:13:55< Ivanovic> hi boucman
20100205 00:14:03< Ivanovic> boucman: when do you plan to arrive in brussels?
20100205 00:14:03< boucman> hey Ivanovic
20100205 00:14:20< boucman> ~18h tomorow IIRC 
20100205 00:14:33< Ivanovic> okay, so comparable to noyga
20100205 00:14:52< boucman> my train arrives at 18h23
20100205 00:15:04< Ivanovic> the rest of us should be there before and we will probably checkin at 2go4 sometime between 4 and 5pm (if we don't end in traffic jams)
20100205 00:16:03< Ivanovic> i assume that noyga and you will meet somehow, no idea, should we say that we meet at the greek restaurant?
20100205 00:16:10< boucman> ok, 
20100205 00:16:12< Ivanovic> that is: after checking in
20100205 00:16:22< boucman> we'll meet using cellphones, I guess
20100205 00:18:21< Ivanovic> sure
20100205 00:18:32< YogiHH> Ivanovic: Can you give me a short note via sms when you are on your way to the restaurant?
20100205 00:18:32< Ivanovic> same procedure as every year
20100205 00:18:34< Ivanovic> ;)
20100205 00:19:05< Ivanovic> YogiHH: i will send you an sms when i am in the bus from ULB to central station with chrber (where we will meet fendrin)
20100205 00:19:14< Ivanovic> YogiHH: does this work for you, too?
20100205 00:19:47< YogiHH> yes, of course
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20100205 00:20:07< Ivanovic> YogiHH: i expect this to be sometime around 2 to 3pm
20100205 00:20:16< YogiHH> ok
20100205 00:21:30< Ivanovic> if you don't hear a thing from me (or chrber or fendrin) till lets say 5pm send me an sms, then i probably got the wrong number saved for you or the likes
20100205 00:21:42< YogiHH> alright
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20100205 00:22:41< Ivanovic> and in general, if we don't meet before the "meeting point" is the greek restaurant for dinner
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20100205 00:23:01< Ivanovic> (as in "if all comunication files, everyone of us should eventually be there over the evening")
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20100205 00:25:22< YogiHH> Ivanovic: good night, see you tomorrow, then :)
20100205 00:25:30< Ivanovic> see you tomorrow YogiHH
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20100205 00:25:50< Noyga> hmmm
20100205 00:26:32< Noyga> boucman, my trin arrives at 17h23, just 1h before yours
20100205 00:28:22< boucman> Noyga: ok, i'll call you when I arrive, i'll try to be ~19h at the hotel and I'll most likely meet you all there
20100205 00:28:25< boucman> g'nighit
20100205 00:28:46< Noyga> ok, see you tomorrow :)
20100205 00:28:59< mordante> night boucman 
20100205 00:29:05< Noyga> gnite
20100205 00:29:21< mordante> night Noyga 
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20100205 00:29:50< mordante> I'm also off night
20100205 00:30:27< Ivanovic> me too, time to get some sleep before driving
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20100205 00:38:49< shadowmaster> Espreon: I have both laptops with VIsta
20100205 00:39:22< Espreon> shadowmaster: Would you please run Wesnoth on one of them and see if the text looks like crap?
20100205 00:39:38< shadowmaster> but I'm not going to test anything wesnoth-related in them because A) the Wesnoth download is HUGE; and B) one laptop is broken and it takes some extra work to turn it on and C) the other is running Debian squeeze nicely, thank you
20100205 00:39:48< shadowmaster> D) I love my uptime.
20100205 00:40:10< shadowmaster> I tried running Vista on VirtualBox FTR, but it performed like crap
20100205 00:40:15< Espreon> Sigh...
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20100205 00:58:45 * Noyga has both vista and linux on his laptop
20100205 00:58:57< shadowmaster> Espreon: ^
20100205 00:58:59< Noyga> guess which one i'm using ;)
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20100205 00:59:57< Noyga> gnite btw
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20100205 01:02:21< Espreon> Damn it...
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20100205 02:01:54< loonycyborg> EspreonI've managed to reproduce the blue tint ussue by enabling ClearType.
20100205 02:02:01< loonycyborg> Espreon: ^
20100205 02:02:53< shadowmaster> cleartype is kind of sucky
20100205 02:03:06< shadowmaster> my website's banner has hard edges despite it is supposed to be an antialiasing algorithm
20100205 02:03:34< loonycyborg> I wonder how it ended up enabled on his laptops :P
20100205 02:03:36< Espreon> loonycyborg: Does that also make the text too bold like in my screenshots?
20100205 02:04:14< loonycyborg> Not sure. Try disabling it and see.
20100205 02:04:27< loonycyborg> It indeed seems to make text somewhat bolder.
20100205 02:05:00< shadowmaster> there's a Windows XP application for changing cleartype's parameters, and Vista nd 7 have a builtin control panel for that
20100205 02:05:14< shadowmaster> if someone has problems with cleartype tell them to use those to adjust their settings
20100205 02:05:46< loonycyborg> Maybe there are winapi calls to disable it altogether for wesnoth..
20100205 02:06:12< shadowmaster> I'm not sure why making wesnoth affect how the system works should be the solution
20100205 02:06:24< Espreon> OK, that fixes the blue tint and the boldness, but some parts of letters still disappear.
20100205 02:07:05< shadowmaster> in particular since it's most likely a bug with GDI <-> libfreetype or GDI <-> Pango
20100205 02:07:54< loonycyborg> shadowmaster: I mean disabling it only for wesnoth, not for entire system.
20100205 02:08:07< shadowmaster> doesn't change what I said
20100205 02:08:59< loonycyborg> If it's GDI-pango bug then that would at least be a workaround.
20100205 02:09:19< Espreon> Without the smoothing effects, the text doesn't look so good, but it is at least better than having it way too bold.
20100205 02:11:06< loonycyborg> http://slashdot.org/story/10/02/04/210238/How-Infighting-Hampers-Innovation-At-Microsoft?art_pos=3 <- that article reminded me to try enabling FreeType :P
20100205 02:11:28< loonycyborg> *ClearType
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20100205 02:15:30 * Espreon wonders why the text in gtk-demo.exe was all right.
20100205 02:21:11< loonycyborg> Probably because wesnoth makes pango-cairo render to memory and draws the resulting image with sdl..
20100205 02:22:23< Espreon> So, what can be done to remedy this?
20100205 02:23:14< loonycyborg> cairo's images have different format than sdl's surfaces, so wesnoth transforms between them. Maybe this transformation is incorrect on windows for some reason.
20100205 02:24:29< loonycyborg> In fact it doesn't do so on windows because that causes horrible results.
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20100205 02:24:47< loonycyborg> And renders the same image several times instead.
20100205 02:26:56< loonycyborg> Espreon: Could you post your screenshot with ClearType disabled?
20100205 02:30:33< loonycyborg> I'm getting disappearing parts of letters too, but only on native windows, not in virtualbox or wine.
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20100205 03:03:17< Espreon> loonycyborg: Hold on...
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20100205 03:06:24< Cheese-kun> http://imagebin.org/83437
20100205 03:06:40< Cheese-kun> http://imagebin.org/83438
20100205 03:06:47< Espreon> loonycyborg: ^
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20100205 03:24:19< CIA-62> esr * r41002 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/06_High_Pass.cfg: A music tweak.
20100205 03:26:38< loonycyborg> Espreon: Did you diable antialiasing or only set it to other choice than ClearType?
20100205 03:27:14< loonycyborg> *disable
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20100205 03:39:20< CIA-62> esr * r41003 /trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/2p_Dark_Forecast.cfg: Avoid an unneeded spellcheck warning.
20100205 03:39:42< shadowmaster> esr: what do you need about the preprocessor?
20100205 03:41:04< esr> shadowmaster: See bug #15204. Besides being annoying in itself, it's a blocker for what fendrin is trying to do.
20100205 03:43:00< shadowmaster> suokko's cache code.
20100205 03:43:17< shadowmaster> I guess I don't want to look at how it plays with the preprocessor :P
20100205 03:51:30< shadowmaster> and whenever I have to recompile wesnoth I feel like throwing sharp stuff around.
20100205 03:51:46< shadowmaster> what kind of monster have you people created?
20100205 03:52:46< shadowmaster> (answer: the "takes as long as an average Linux kernel but eats 4x more memory and CPU time to compile" kind)
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20100205 04:02:38< Appleman1234> wow
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20100205 04:05:35< Espreon> loonycyborg: I believe that I disabled antialiasing.
20100205 04:05:52< Espreon> ... as the "standard" setting seemed to have no effect...
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20100205 08:25:47< Zarel_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/search.php?author_id=120042&sr=posts
20100205 08:25:50< Zarel_> spammer.
20100205 08:26:33< Zarel_> They're getting trickier.
20100205 08:26:51< Zarel_> noy: You look like you might be online.
20100205 08:27:21< Zarel_> Espreon, ilor: Either of you?
20100205 08:27:44< noy> ty
20100205 08:28:35< Zarel_> What's interesting is that the only way you can tell is by googling their posts' content.
20100205 08:28:48< Zarel_> It used to be that there were a lot more red flags.
20100205 08:31:09< noy> got it
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20100205 08:39:47< mordante> servus
20100205 08:42:42< Espreon> Hello mordante.
20100205 08:42:53< mordante> hi Espreon, just reading the log
20100205 08:43:00< Espreon> Ah, excellent. :)
20100205 08:43:26< Smar> you could change spam filter to be such where one needs to say an unit’s name or something :)
20100205 08:43:41< Smar> make it unique and they won’t want that much target you
20100205 08:46:13< mordante> Espreon, ah it was a Windows setting after all :-)
20100205 08:46:59< mordante> I know that loonycyborg changed the render code to render text trice on Windows so that may explain some of the thickness as well
20100205 08:48:50< Espreon> mordante: So, what can be done?
20100205 08:50:03< mordante> for now disabling cleartype
20100205 08:50:25< mordante> and hope somebody on Windows who also is a developer can look closer into it
20100205 08:50:43< Espreon> Hmmmm... I see...
20100205 08:52:08< Zarel_> "trice"?
20100205 08:52:11< mordante> and that cutting off, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a pango/cairo problem
20100205 08:52:16< Zarel_> Was that meant to be "twice" or "thrice"?
20100205 08:52:16< mordante> thrice*
20100205 08:53:26< Zarel_> Smar: Kill two birds with one stone - quiz them about forum rules. That's what I do on the Warzone Guide. :D
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20100205 09:16:25< Ivanovic> moin
20100205 09:17:23< Zarel_> Whenever I see Ivanovic say "moin" - which is practically every day - I know I should be going to bed earlier. ;)
20100205 09:17:41< Ivanovic> nah, i am just around rather early today
20100205 09:17:51< Ivanovic> simply because i will drive over to fosdem soon
20100205 09:17:59< Ivanovic> (around the time i normally get up)
20100205 09:18:17< Zarel_> Which means the usual times in which I see you say "moin" are _really_ into "I should be asleep" time. ;)
20100205 09:18:24< Zarel_> (I live in the States)
20100205 09:20:29< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20100205 09:31:35< Smar> Zarel_: hehe
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20100205 10:32:40< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, looks like yogihh will be in time (regarding the departure list of airport hamburg)
20100205 10:33:28< Ivanovic> and i got an sms from fendrin that he is in the bus, they seem to be driving today
20100205 10:36:22< mordante> ah good
20100205 10:36:38< Ivanovic> and i'll be leaving in 5mins, too
20100205 10:36:45< mordante> I'll just keep hacking for a while longer
20100205 10:37:22< Ivanovic> how is progress on the treview stuff?
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20100205 10:39:32< mordante> still under heavy development, hope to get it done this weekend, but still a lot to do
20100205 10:40:58< mordante> also thinking about how to do some more structural changes, but I think those can be postponed until 1.9
20100205 10:41:21< mordante> I expect to do some refactoring early in the 1.9 cycle
20100205 10:41:35< Ivanovic> sounds fine to me
20100205 10:41:53< Ivanovic> leaving now
20100205 10:41:58< Ivanovic> cu in brussels in some hours
20100205 10:42:50< mordante> yes have a good trip and see you later
20100205 10:49:52< CIA-62> mordante * r41004 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/campaign_selection.cpp: 
20100205 10:49:52< CIA-62> Don't show the tree view without new widgets.
20100205 10:49:52< CIA-62> When creating a campaing without the --new-widgets switch the campaign
20100205 10:49:52< CIA-62> tree must be hidden.
20100205 10:49:56< CIA-62> mordante * r41005 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (tree_view.cpp tree_view.hpp): Properly dirty the child items.
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20100205 11:33:54< CIA-62> mordante * r41006 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (tree_view.cpp tree_view.hpp): 
20100205 11:33:55< CIA-62> Add a callback for the tree view node label.
20100205 11:33:55< CIA-62> Initial implementation, which is not finished yet, but off to the FOSDEM
20100205 11:33:55< CIA-62> now, will proceed there.
20100205 11:46:10< mordante> I'm off now
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20100205 15:10:49< Zarel> Man, I wish I could be at FOSDEM. :/
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20100205 20:51:08< shadowmaster> webtopic
20100205 20:51:10< shadowmaster> er.
20100205 20:51:13< shadowmaster> wesbot: topic
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20100205 21:07:21< CIA-62> esr * r41007 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/14_Back_Home.cfg: 
20100205 21:07:21< CIA-62> Address bug #15281. It turns out the generals actually have to
20100205 21:07:21< CIA-62> survive for campaign continuity reasons; the [objectives] markup
20100205 21:07:21< CIA-62> was misleading.
20100205 21:08:15< esr> shadowmaster: You asked me about the preprocessor problem earlier.  Do you have any insight into it?
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20100205 23:13:18< esr> zookeeper: ping?
20100205 23:14:35< zookeeper> esr, yeah?
20100205 23:15:32< esr> zookeeper: I have a list of images in mainline that aren't used in mainline.  Some of them look like they ought to be.  Who's generally in charge of the unit animations?
20100205 23:16:36< esr> List is here: http://pastebin.com/m62bd796d
20100205 23:18:43< zookeeper> jetrel, if it's an animation
20100205 23:19:13< esr> OK.
20100205 23:19:29< zookeeper> the rest look like false positives or not ought to be used in mainline
20100205 23:19:49< esr> Should any of them be deleted?
20100205 23:20:34< zookeeper> maybe, but i wouldn't bother this far into a cycle
20100205 23:25:44< esr> I'm thinking about it becauswe Ivanovic ioccasionally bitches about the tarball getting huge.
20100205 23:26:48< zookeeper> all the ones that might be useless are small images anyway, won't find much filesize optimization there
20100205 23:27:05< zookeeper> the story images and portraits we're keeping so people can use them, even if they're not (currently) used in mainline
20100205 23:28:43< loonycyborg> esr: I couldn't say that he exactly *bitches* about it :P
20100205 23:29:36< esr> OK, bitches mildly.  Ivanovic is pretty impreturbable.
20100205 23:30:36< loonycyborg> Large tarballs aren't problem. Small tarballs would be..
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