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20100205 15:45:24< qubodup> hello
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20100205 15:45:50< qubodup> I'm on a forum of an rpg where a board for the story currently in development has been created
20100205 15:46:22< qubodup> the forum is only readable by registered users. to preserve the linear plot experience to the players
20100205 15:46:51< qubodup> I wonder: how does wesnoth manage plot discussions? or are these not brought up publically?
20100205 15:47:09< qubodup> I'm asking, because wesnoth is probably the only open source game with a strong story
20100205 15:47:13< qubodup> plot
20100205 16:11:07< zookeeper> qubodup, not much to manage, really
20100205 16:11:58< zookeeper> there's no over-arching plot to wesnoth after all, just individual campaigns which tie into each other more or less.
20100205 16:13:24< qubodup> zookeeper: do you know how the plot writers work on it? via forum?
20100205 16:13:28< zookeeper> i don't recall ever seeing anyone getting particularly annoyed by another person accidentally spilling the beans on a plot twist or anything...the campaign plots aren't usually that intricate
20100205 16:15:17< zookeeper> qubodup, well, sure, there's the writers' subforum, but that's a new thing. most of the time people discuss that stuff in irc on #wesnoth-dev, but also most of the time the authors simply come up with 90% of the campaign's plot themselves.
20100205 16:16:23< qubodup> zookeeper: the writer's forum is open?
20100205 16:16:27< zookeeper> yeah
20100205 16:16:32< qubodup> thanks for the info
20100205 16:16:58< zookeeper> most campaigns are essentially created by a single person, even if half a dozen revise it later on
20100205 16:17:32< zookeeper> so there's usually not much discussion about it before a release, except if the author works on it with someone privately
20100205 16:18:17< zookeeper> i can imagine you need some kind of management on a forum which is about an actual RPG
20100205 16:19:27< zookeeper> but i don't think we've ever really needed any, since there's no single plot to spoil and it's still more of a strategy game than a story-driven RPG.
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20100205 17:30:32< qubodup> I was just told that wesnoth has forums that are viewable, but cannot be posted to by anybody
20100205 17:31:55< Jozrael> This is true.
20100205 17:32:03< Jozrael> But those are generally for development, not really plot
20100205 17:32:10< Jozrael> Art development for example has one
20100205 17:32:17< Jozrael> qubodup: why do you ask?
20100205 17:32:20< Jozrael> Do you want to contribute?
20100205 17:34:09< qubodup> Jozrael: no, I'm investigating 'openess' in foss game dev, after a new registered-useres-only forum was created on DungeonHack's forums
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20100205 17:36:24< Jozrael> I see qubodup
20100205 17:36:35< Jozrael> Well, wesnoth is 100% open...
20100205 17:36:40< Jozrael> You can do anything you want with the game.
20100205 17:36:45< Jozrael> Source is 100% available
20100205 17:37:02< Jozrael> However, the people who regularly work on wesnoth have their own community
20100205 17:37:07< Jozrael> They're building the game for themselves
20100205 17:37:15< Jozrael> It's a nice side benefit that you get a sweet game too
20100205 17:37:22< elias> in Wesnoth the problem was just that it got too many users (only a few open source projects have that problem :P)
20100205 17:37:30< Jozrael> Heh, aye
20100205 17:37:44< elias> so if someone posted new artwork, there were 100 people who felled compelled to give their advice
20100205 17:37:58< elias> which made it hard to do actual work
20100205 17:39:09< Jozrael> But also qubodup
20100205 17:39:21< Jozrael> There's hundreds of users going 'we want you to make us a version with less randomness', or some other issue
20100205 17:39:28< Jozrael> Stuff that's been debated to DEATH on the forums already
20100205 17:39:30< elias> what is qubodup?
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20100205 17:39:41< Jozrael> And basically, by this point the devs just say 'go make it yourself, we're not doing it'
20100205 17:39:51< Jozrael> So idk wat that means to you
20100205 17:39:54< Jozrael> [11:34:10] <qubodup> Jozrael: no, I'm investigating 'openess' in foss game dev, after a new registered-useres-only forum was created on DungeonHack's forums
20100205 17:40:03< elias> oh
20100205 17:40:05< elias> heh
20100205 17:40:26< qubodup> lul
20100205 17:40:44< qubodup> Jozrael: I see. the "forum is too big" aspect is interesting
20100205 17:41:24< qubodup> Jozrael: I'm aware of source licenses, I'm just interested in development structure now :) 
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20100205 17:45:53< zookeeper> qubodup, anyway, wesnoth was already a pretty complete game when it started to attract more players and potential contributors, so i doubt it's very comparable to dungeonhack.
20100205 17:50:00< qubodup> zookeeper: yes
20100205 17:50:21< qubodup> I mean "you're right" :)
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20100205 20:32:11< rocket16> Hello all! I am from India!
20100205 20:32:44< rocket16> I have a few questions regarding Wesnoth. May I ask them?
20100205 20:33:40< rocket16> Hello?
20100205 20:33:46< rocket16> Anybody here?
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20100205 20:37:03< elias> rocket16: you may ask
20100205 20:38:33< rocket16> Thanks
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20100205 20:39:22< rocket16> Will there be any Expansion pack for Wesnoth?
20100205 20:39:33< rocket16> I mean, like Titans for AoM.
20100205 20:42:31< shadowmaster> there are many fine user-made add-ons for Wesnoth
20100205 20:42:55< shadowmaster> they may or may not get included in future stable series. Dead Water is most likely going to be in mainline for 2011
20100205 20:43:04< rocket16> Yes, but I am having a Problem.
20100205 20:43:18< rocket16> I can not download add-ons from the GAme Itself
20100205 20:43:28< rocket16> Although I don't have any Connection trouble
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20100205 20:44:12< shadowmaster> you or your provider may have set up a firewall blocking outgoing connections via the ports Wesnoth needs for that
20100205 20:44:42< shadowmaster> there's a web interface you can use instead, though: http://www.wesnoth.org/addons/
20100205 20:44:53< rocket16> May be, but the report is somethings else
20100205 20:45:00< shadowmaster> what report?
20100205 20:45:22< rocket16> It says "No Add-on to download from the server", when I try to download addons
20100205 20:45:38< rocket16> But Thanks for the info, shadowmaster
20100205 20:45:54< shadowmaster> what version are you using?
20100205 20:46:00< rocket16> 1.7.5
20100205 20:46:07< shadowmaster> upgrade to a newer development version
20100205 20:46:21< rocket16> Ok, I'll. Thanks
20100205 20:47:45< rocket16>  By the way, friend shadowmaster, are you a regular player of Wesnoth?
20100205 20:48:19< shadowmaster> no, but I'm a mainline developer
20100205 20:48:40< rocket16> Oh! I feel lucky to have met you!
20100205 20:48:52< rocket16> Congratulations on your amazing game!
20100205 20:49:18< rocket16> I am a great fan of Wesnoth. Thanks for designing such a nice free one.
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20100205 20:50:20< shadowmaster> well, I didn't make it, but I'm contributor since 2007 :)
20100205 20:51:05< rocket16> I know. Still, all your efforts make at least a portion to keep Wesnoth alive!
20100205 20:51:48< Sacho> wesnoth++
20100205 20:51:49< rocket16> I too design games, but only small ones, like Tic-Tac-Toe and Dice using VB, and Java
20100205 20:52:17< rocket16> By the way, I am 14
20100205 20:52:34< rocket16> So, is Wesnoth made in C++?
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20100205 20:54:40< shadowmaster> yeah
20100205 20:55:19< shadowmaster> campaign and multiplayer scenarios are written in a custom scripting/markup languages to make it easy for users to produce their own content, though
20100205 20:55:50< rocket16> Truely, the project of you all, is grand
20100205 20:56:12< rocket16> Actually, I will soon start learning C++. It is very handy
20100205 20:57:18< rocket16> Still, Java is also good. But a developer practically insulted me, for using Java. He said that C++ is much better, and Java is nothing
20100205 20:57:47< rocket16> So, although C+
20100205 20:58:14< rocket16> I mean, C++ is good, JAva  too! The entire Web is based on JS and JAva
20100205 20:58:30< elias> and flash
20100205 20:58:36< rocket16> Right
20100205 20:59:02< rocket16> So, Java should not be neglected and insulted. What do you think, friend elias?
20100205 20:59:44< elias> yeah, no point arguing over favorite programming languages :P
20100205 20:59:56< elias> if it is for me, Python beats everything else by lengths
20100205 21:00:08< shadowmaster> some people would tell you that C++ sucks and you should use Python
20100205 21:00:13< rocket16> Good point! I like it.
20100205 21:00:26< shadowmaster> never mind that interpreted languages tend to be slower than compiled one for certain operations
20100205 21:00:36< rocket16> I like Python too! It is  very swift
20100205 21:01:05< rocket16> Yes, but Interpreted languages are also more secure, and less error-prone
20100205 21:01:10< elias> yes, just have to do the parts which are too slow for interpreting in a native lib, it's why we have ctypes
20100205 21:01:37< rocket16> And Java is not perfectly interpreted, nor is it compiled
20100205 21:01:50< rocket16> Since it is compiled to Byte-Code
20100205 21:02:11< shadowmaster> it depends, really. Perl and PHP are (semi)interpreted languages that still provide some nice mechanisms to defeat any compile or run-time security that they provide
20100205 21:02:17< shadowmaster> I suppose Python also does.
20100205 21:02:45< rocket16> Python is very nice, as evident from the use of Python in a commercial game, Blade of DArkness
20100205 21:03:42< rocket16> We have a Linux Club here, with several members
20100205 21:04:16< Sacho> saying one language is better than another, in most cases, is like saying a hammer is a better tool than a wrench
20100205 21:04:27< rocket16> From there, we distributed the game of  Wesnoth to local people (Since most don't have net access)
20100205 21:04:55< rocket16> Right, Sacho. A nice Saying
20100205 21:05:09< rocket16> First, local gamers did not appreciate Wesnoth
20100205 21:05:30< Sacho> strategies tend to gather fanbases slower than action games
20100205 21:05:42< Sacho> on the other hand, they tend to lose the fanbase slower too :)
20100205 21:05:56< rocket16> But, then, when we disclosed the features like CAmpaigns, freedom etc., they became fond of it! :)
20100205 21:06:50< rocket16> But, I think Wesnoth is better on Linux, like Ubuntu than Windows
20100205 21:07:01< rocket16> Snce freedom of Wesnoth matches that of Ubuntu
20100205 21:07:35< shadowmaster> Wesnoth actually tends to be better on Linux because most developers use and test it on Linux.
20100205 21:07:53< rocket16> Still, we downloaded OpenEducationDisc and OpenDisc, and distributed them freely. This enabled them to play it on Windows
20100205 21:07:57< shadowmaster> support for Windows currently depends on a couple of devs and the bug reports from windows users
20100205 21:08:25< rocket16> Yes, I expected the same to be. Thanks for telling me
20100205 21:08:48< rocket16> By the way, people here like to stick to Windows. It is really a Problem for us, Ubuntu users
20100205 21:09:10 * Sacho shrugs
20100205 21:09:15< Sacho> How so?
20100205 21:09:22< rocket16> Because,
20100205 21:10:06< rocket16> They always keep saying that Windows is better. "Switch to Windows, or old like Linux is", is their saying
20100205 21:10:29< Sacho> Windows ain't exactly new either
20100205 21:10:33< rocket16> Still, we organized what we term "OS-War" and demostrated that Windows is no match for Ubuntu
20100205 21:10:52< rocket16> Right, Sacho. I appreciate your argument
20100205 21:10:58< rocket16> in support of Ubuntu
20100205 21:11:24< Sacho> plus, KDE doesn't look far from windows :)
20100205 21:11:44< rocket16> YEAH! KDEis even better than Windows, to me!
20100205 21:11:59 * Sacho shrugs
20100205 21:12:04< rocket16> Since see, that Plasma Dashboard is so clean, clear and sleek
20100205 21:12:09< Sacho> a matter of preference :)
20100205 21:12:23< rocket16> Yes, :)
20100205 21:12:27< Sacho> I mainly picked developing on linux because of less hassle.
20100205 21:12:29< Blarumyrran> It's funny how you can't tell through irc at all whether someone is sarcastic
20100205 21:12:46< Sacho> the same reason why I'd play games on windows,
20100205 21:12:49< Sacho> better support :)
20100205 21:13:06< rocket16> Me too, I mainly like Age of Mythology in Windows, and Deus EX
20100205 21:13:11< Smar> Blarumyrran: whoa, you can even more with text, as long as you know to whom you’re speaking. as IRL.
20100205 21:13:30< Smar> AoM works perfectly with wine though
20100205 21:13:31< Blarumyrran> I don't know anyone on freenode IRL though
20100205 21:13:33< rocket16> But still, they both lack the Story quality of Wesnoth
20100205 21:13:39< rocket16> Yes
20100205 21:13:42< Smar> Blarumyrran: not required.
20100205 21:13:59< rocket16> But AOM has a bit of problem with the fonts
20100205 21:14:22< Blarumyrran> Smar, wut
20100205 21:14:22< Smar> it’s just your ubuntu that’s the problem or something
20100205 21:14:26< Smar> doesn’t affect to me
20100205 21:14:43< rocket16> So, Smar, what is your Distro?
20100205 21:14:43< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: KDE is much better than Windows to me. It's X.org that's causing problems to me now :x
20100205 21:14:48< Smar> rocket16: gentoo.
20100205 21:15:06< rocket16> Good! I have Gentoo too, but I don't use it
20100205 21:15:11< rocket16> Still, Gentoo is nice
20100205 21:15:23< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, I have no clue about the arrangement between X & kde & distro, so I'll just blame kde for now
20100205 21:15:23< Smar> there you atleast know what you miss
20100205 21:15:30< rocket16> But Ubuntu too, can be called a marvellous OS
20100205 21:15:49< rocket16> I has better support than Gentoo
20100205 21:15:59< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: well, that's a very comfortable choice. Let's also blame Sirp for whatever bug pop ups in Wesnoth? :P
20100205 21:15:59< rocket16>  I mena "it has"
20100205 21:16:05< shadowmaster> *pops up
20100205 21:16:11< Sacho> meh, why do the work that others are willing to do for me :)
20100205 21:16:13< Sacho> packages ++
20100205 21:16:14< Blarumyrran> That sounds like a good idea!
20100205 21:16:19< Smar> I like it.
20100205 21:16:30< rocket16>  :o 
20100205 21:16:34< Smar> Sacho: that’s why gentoo’s so good :)
20100205 21:16:46< Sacho> I hate that most of our servers are running slackware
20100205 21:16:48< Sacho> >.>
20100205 21:16:54< Smar> :D
20100205 21:17:09< rocket16> Whatever, you have to admit, that both Ubuntu and Gentoo are better than Windows
20100205 21:17:21< Sacho> better for me, sure, better in general, can't say
20100205 21:17:37< rocket16> So, Smar, do you use Special effects?
20100205 21:17:38< shadowmaster> I admit that I love Debian, I don't like Ubuntu, I'm not using Gentooky Fried Penguin, and I recommend Windows for newbies :P
20100205 21:17:46< Smar> rocket16: what’s that?
20100205 21:17:56< rocket16> I mean Compiz Beryl effetcs?
20100205 21:18:02< rocket16> Sorry, "effects"
20100205 21:18:13< Smar> isn’t those outdated already.
20100205 21:18:17< Smar> anyway, I have kde4.
20100205 21:18:20< shadowmaster> Compiz kind of scares me.
20100205 21:18:34< rocket16> Not so much, Cmpiz Fusion is still getting developed
20100205 21:18:39< crimson_penguin> Mac!
20100205 21:18:47< rocket16> So, what of AWN?
20100205 21:18:56< rocket16> It is nice, better than Windows Dock
20100205 21:19:12< rocket16> My Desktop looks so great, with it
20100205 21:19:52< rocket16>  :D 
20100205 21:20:33< Sacho> tbh I watched my colleagues struggle with windows explorer several times, especially in vista
20100205 21:20:37< Sacho> and that was enough for me :P
20100205 21:20:59< rocket16> Ha ha, nice incident!
20100205 21:21:08< rocket16> Windows Explorer is pure joke,
20100205 21:21:10< Sacho> "Okay, so I copy this file...random wait....ok, so now to get to the directory, open my computer...wait....go to D..wait...open a folder...wait"
20100205 21:21:25< Sacho> could have typed the location several times by then :P
20100205 21:21:39< Sacho> and I know you can do it in command prompt, but the mentality isn't there to do it
20100205 21:21:55< rocket16> Shell is better than Command Prompt
20100205 21:22:21< shadowmaster> wait, who is shell?
20100205 21:22:33< rocket16> I mean, Linux Terminal
20100205 21:22:37< rocket16> The BASH
20100205 21:22:43< rocket16> Bourne Again Shell
20100205 21:22:52< shadowmaster> some people say bash sucks because it eats too much memory :p
20100205 21:23:05< rocket16> Then KORN may be good for them, or Csh
20100205 21:23:41< rocket16> When I demonstrated the use of alias, people using Windows in our War, were stunned
20100205 21:25:06< rocket16> Really, I have to admit, I can really myself freely here, in this Wesnoth channel. Many others aren't as nice as this is. Thanks to all members here,
20100205 21:25:46< Sacho> mostly because few people talk here :P
20100205 21:26:02< Sacho> most of the freenode channels are strict about their topics of conversation
20100205 21:26:22< rocket16> Yes. Additionally, We, Linux members, hacked into Wndows Xp in to time, using DreamPackPL, during our OS wars
20100205 21:26:46< rocket16> Windows people were stunned
20100205 21:27:03< rocket16> And this was done to demonstrate the insecure nature of XP
20100205 21:27:18< rocket16> Wen we challenged them to hack Ubuntu, they failed!
20100205 21:27:25< shadowmaster> hm, IIRC removing a Linux system's root password isn't very difficult if you have read-write access to /etc
20100205 21:27:49< rocket16> Athough Ubuntu, or Gentoo etc, can be hacked using Grub
20100205 21:28:44< rocket16> Even if you don't have access (r/w), still you can hack Linux with Grub. This is a drawback. MAy I discuss how? I think we should be aware of it.
20100205 21:29:24< rocket16> Then, we can take preventive measures. So, may I reveal the way, as it'll help us to be more preventive?
20100205 21:29:35< Sacho> i don't think people here will be too interested :)
20100205 21:29:45< shadowmaster> my preventive measure: living with people who don't even know how to use a computer
20100205 21:29:57< shadowmaster> the other part is communicating with people who don't even know what linux is
20100205 21:30:09< rocket16> shadowmaster, very ice statement!  :D 
20100205 21:31:06< rocket16> Sorry,  meant "nice", not "ice"
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20100205 21:31:45< rocket16> Still, If you permit me, I would like to disclose how. This may help us, to remain aware of this mechanism.
20100205 21:31:53< evanton> could somebody suggest a resource on wesnoth strategy? I'm getting humiliated by computer :)
20100205 21:31:59< Sacho> wiki
20100205 21:32:04< Sacho> also, direct questions here
20100205 21:32:12< Sacho> replays help
20100205 21:32:19< shadowmaster> forum search too
20100205 21:32:36< rocket16> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/BestForumStrategies
20100205 21:32:38< Sacho> is it a campaign or a skirmish?
20100205 21:32:42< evanton> well, I'm looking for something like "My System" for chess, if you know what I'm talking about
20100205 21:33:25< evanton> wow a lot of links on that wiki page. thanks
20100205 21:33:27 * evanton goes to read
20100205 21:34:16< rocket16> So, am I permitted to discuss?
20100205 21:35:42< shadowmaster> rocket16: I think people here know how to use google :P
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20100205 21:35:56< rocket16> O, sorry then
20100205 21:35:59< rocket16> :(
20100205 21:36:28< rocket16> Bt it can be prevented to an extent by passowrd-protecting Grub
20100205 21:36:48< rocket16> Still, Grub can be reinstalled using Live-CD
20100205 21:36:59< rocket16> Using "sudo grub" and setup commands
20100205 21:37:10< Blarumyrran> What does grub have to do with anything
20100205 21:37:12< rocket16> I think the best way is to encrypt OME
20100205 21:37:18< rocket16> I mean "Home"
20100205 21:37:25< rocket16> Grub can be used to hack Lnux
20100205 21:37:32< Blarumyrran> You can have windowses with grub, or linuxes with some other thingy
20100205 21:37:39< Blarumyrran> I think?
20100205 21:37:56< rocket16> Yes, but LILO too, and other bootloader can be hacked
20100205 21:38:40< rocket16> So, Blarumyrran, Gurb can be used to hack Lnux within a minute, with less than 10 simple steps
20100205 21:38:51< rocket16> Do you know about it?
20100205 21:38:53< shadowmaster> grub is GNU's Grand Unified Boot loader and their redesign of it sucks :x
20100205 21:39:07< rocket16>  8-) 
20100205 21:39:52< evanton> if you use grub to hack linux, the sysadmin might use a chainsaw to hack your fingers
20100205 21:40:07< shadowmaster> with this I mean that I'm somewhat unhappy that debian testing is favoring grub 2 atm. Just changing the graphic mode, etc. parameters requires a lot of fiddling and invocations to update-grub
20100205 21:40:44< rocket16> Evanton, nice joke.
20100205 21:41:01< evanton> that's not a joke
20100205 21:41:07< evanton> it's called social engineering :)
20100205 21:41:13< Sacho> wait till you see some pissed off sysadmins.
20100205 21:41:18< Sacho> You'll appreciate the seriousness.
20100205 21:41:25< Blarumyrran> So that's what people who take "social engineering" actually do
20100205 21:41:42< evanton> people got murdered with axes IRL for stealig items in online games
20100205 21:41:47< rocket16> Evanton, still, nice and funny statement. I am impressed. :)
20100205 21:41:49< Blarumyrran> In china
20100205 21:41:52< evanton> *stealing
20100205 21:41:58< evanton> Blarumyrran: yes, true!
20100205 21:42:19< evanton> and recently I heard south korea legalized virtual money
20100205 21:42:24< Blarumyrran> In the west, people don't want to leave their basements long enough to do that :P
20100205 21:42:48< shadowmaster> fortunately here in the southwest there are no basements
20100205 21:42:49< evanton> so if you kill somebody in a MMORPG and take his gold you get charged for murder and robbery
20100205 21:42:53< rocket16> So, which country are you from friends. I am from India.
20100205 21:42:55< Tonepoet> Huh. Wesnoth just crashed when I clicked the ready button and I have no clue why. XD
20100205 21:43:08< shadowmaster> Tonepoet: bug report if you can reproduce
20100205 21:43:16< Tonepoet> I doubt I can.
20100205 21:43:32< evanton> Tonepoet: try running from a console, it might print a stack trace
20100205 21:45:06< rocket16> S, Smar, can you send me a Screenshot of your Desktop please? So that I may have a look at that Desktop of a Gentoo EXpert
20100205 21:45:25< Smar> expert :D
20100205 21:45:27< Smar> whatever.
20100205 21:45:33< rocket16> In return, I would like to send you one of mine (Scrfeenshots of Ubuntu of my desktop)
20100205 21:45:47< Smar> http://rand.smar.fi/snapshot1.png :: work comp.
20100205 21:46:01< Smar> my own looks little different, and actually work comp looks different too 
20100205 21:46:05< rocket16> Really great!
20100205 21:46:14< rocket16> Now, I am sending mine, just a minute
20100205 21:46:59< Blarumyrran> Smar, why are the eyebrows completely visible through the hair?
20100205 21:47:46< Smar> no idea
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20100205 21:47:56< Smar> it’s somewhat a standard at anime though
20100205 21:48:41< Blarumyrran> Maybe because japanese have all black hair, they think that brighter hair must be semitransparent
20100205 21:49:05 * shadowmaster looks at cap'n crunch
20100205 21:49:20< rocket16> Friend Smar, did you receive it?
20100205 21:49:27< elias> Blarumyrran: you must be one of the wesnoth artists to notice things like that :)
20100205 21:49:38< Blarumyrran> >_>
20100205 21:50:34< Smar> rocket16: don’t try dcc, my irc client isn’t at computer I access it. 
20100205 21:50:51< rocket16> Oh, then just a minute
20100205 21:51:05< Smar> Blarumyrran: it’s somewhat so natural one doesn’t think about it unless mentioned
20100205 21:51:13< rocket16> Then how may I send mine to you?
20100205 21:51:26< Smar> any way I can download it without problems
20100205 21:51:42< rocket16> Ok as you wish. Thanks for your help
20100205 21:52:13< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: I mean, c'mon, this guy's eyebrows are *on his hat*
20100205 21:52:37< Blarumyrran> Uh, what hat?
20100205 21:52:54< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CapnCrunch.png
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20100205 21:54:42< rocket16> Smar, here is one to Kubuntu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kubuntu-9.04-DesktopEffects.png
20100205 21:54:58< rocket16> And another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kubuntu910.png
20100205 21:55:03< rocket16> They are really nice
20100205 21:56:03< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, Smar's wallpaper is a lot more realistic with stuff other than the head, so stuff like the weird brows pop out more
20100205 21:56:46< Smar> kde4 has cube on it too
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20100205 21:56:52< Smar> erm, cube plugin
20100205 21:57:05< Smar> also, second is just commond kde4 desktop
20100205 21:57:14< sevis> The cube is done by Compiz, no? Or can Kwin already do that, too?
20100205 21:57:18< rocket16> Yes, using Kubuntu Effects (Plasma) First one is enhanced
20100205 21:57:25< rocket16> Now one to Ubuntu http://video.linux-noob.com/screenshots/ubuntu/7.04/post-1-1179473378.png
20100205 21:57:29< Smar> plasma has been able to do it from 4.0.
20100205 21:57:53< Smar> that’s just gnome with that new gnome menu thingy that’s imho useless
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20100205 21:58:31< Blarumyrran> Yeah, windows desktop looks better anyway :)
20100205 21:58:51< shadowmaster> B[1;3B[B[B33
20100205 21:58:58< Smar> Blarumyrran: didn’t you use linux? :D
20100205 21:59:17< Blarumyrran> Smar, long ago
20100205 21:59:22< sevis> Blerumyrran: That's when you want any desktop at all :P
20100205 21:59:25< Smar> Blarumyrran: oh
20100205 21:59:32< rocket16> Blarumyrran: What? You mean you use Vista?
20100205 21:59:43< Blarumyrran> Nop, 7
20100205 21:59:44< shadowmaster> rocket16: eh, there's Windows 7 now
20100205 21:59:45< Blarumyrran> Why?
20100205 21:59:55< shadowmaster> which I must say is quite good
20100205 22:00:11< Blarumyrran> I used 2000 until a couple of months ago, but stuff started dropping compatibility with it
20100205 22:00:26< Smar> shadowmaster: no, it just fixes one or two basic mistakes of windows
20100205 22:00:36< Smar> and I dislike its new menu
20100205 22:00:36< rocket16> shadowmaster: But Linux is still better than 7\
20100205 22:00:46< shadowmaster> depends on the kind of person
20100205 22:00:51< Blarumyrran> And distro
20100205 22:01:04< shadowmaster> yes, stay away from opensuse
20100205 22:01:08< Blarumyrran> ^
20100205 22:01:19< Smar> vista had just design flaws, it’s not really that different from 7
20100205 22:01:37< Smar> 7 is like vista sp2 with major redesigns of stuff
20100205 22:01:45< shadowmaster> Smar: 7 is *much* faster than Vista on VirtualBox
20100205 22:01:50< shadowmaster> with the same resources
20100205 22:01:55< Smar> shadowmaster: it is that natively too
20100205 22:02:08< shadowmaster> which is good, sin't it?
20100205 22:02:11< Smar> but that’s because vista has poor performance by design
20100205 22:02:24< shadowmaster> therefore, 7 is better than vista :P
20100205 22:02:30< Smar> because it has that defragmenting on by default
20100205 22:02:44< Smar> and is just enchanced xp pretty much(7 is too)
20100205 22:02:47< shadowmaster> wait defragmenting before login finishes?
20100205 22:02:53< Smar> and so enchanced 95 :P
20100205 22:03:09< Smar> vista has online defragment
20100205 22:03:15< Smar> by windows terms
20100205 22:03:23< Smar> so it defragments  files all the time
20100205 22:03:43< Smar> atleast it were so, don’t really know what sp1 did to it
20100205 22:03:43< shadowmaster> hm, I'm not sure I can believe anyone would implement such a thing.
20100205 22:03:50< Smar> ms did :)
20100205 22:03:54< shadowmaster> and I was trying SP1 actually.
20100205 22:03:56< evanton> no
20100205 22:04:05< evanton> they claimed they did
20100205 22:04:13< evanton> with closed source one can claim almost anything
20100205 22:04:36< sevis> I'm pretty sure HFS defragments while running... No? O.o
20100205 22:04:38< Smar> evanton: any facts that they didn’t?
20100205 22:04:49< sevis> HFS+*
20100205 22:05:09< Smar> hmm.... actually, I think SP1 changed that to be just for once in two weeks or something
20100205 22:05:20< Smar> anyway, there’s other flaws too, which I don’t know that much
20100205 22:05:22< evanton> Smar: did they prove that they did?
20100205 22:05:38< Smar> evanton: no, but vista *is* slow
20100205 22:05:48< evanton> never used it :)
20100205 22:05:54< Smar> and win7 is much faster. so there must be something, that’s slowing it down
20100205 22:05:56< evanton> xp was my last windows
20100205 22:06:09< Smar> before sp1 disabling auto defragment were one way to do it
20100205 22:06:10< evanton> hopefully that won't change
20100205 22:06:20< rocket16> Bye all! See you all tomorrow! And my Email is anirban16chatterjee@gmail.com Please contact me in case of any requirement
20100205 22:06:32< Smar> I need to touch all kind of machines because of my work
20100205 22:06:32< Smar> like centoses
20100205 22:07:29< rocket16> Bye Evanton, Smar, Sevis, Shadowmaster, Sacho and others! Good Night (it is night here)! :)
20100205 22:07:58< shadowmaster> afternoon
20100205 22:08:02< sevis> G'night, and it's almost night here, too.
20100205 22:08:15< rocket16> Bye, see you all again soon
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20100205 22:08:38< evanton> rocket16: if you'll throw away your email like that, you might discover yourself subscribed to porn
20100205 22:08:42< evanton> oh, too late
20100205 22:08:51< evanton> *evil grin*
20100205 22:09:34< shadowmaster> evanton: hey, my email address is publicly available and I don't complain
20100205 22:09:41< shadowmaster> I don't even check the spam box.
20100205 22:09:47< sevis> Judging from the length, it's probably a spam box.
20100205 22:10:13< Smar> mine’s too, and I haven’t got a single spam yet... :)
20100205 22:10:37< shadowmaster> that is, Google's email service has some pretty nice spam filters (although they occasionally ban SourceForge.net and Microsoft.com for some reason) and I don't need to worry about unwanted content in my inbox
20100205 22:14:37< Smar> for me gmail just lets spam through and filters useful mails
20100205 22:14:57< Smar> so I changed my gmail box to spam box and now I’m just using my own
20100205 22:15:35< shadowmaster> I guess Google likes me. :)
20100205 22:15:40< Smar> :)
20100205 22:15:52< Blarumyrran> ^____^
20100205 22:16:03< Smar> it’s just I get much mail lists and other strange mails that gmail’s filters may get distracted by them
20100205 22:16:03< Blarumyrran> I have not had spam either
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20100205 22:16:42< sevis> I've found Gmali to be the only service that doesn't send me mail, so it's better in any case.
20100205 22:16:59< shadowmaster> oh yes, hotmail :x
20100205 22:17:15< shadowmaster> I keep forgetting to check my hotmail inox
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20100205 22:17:25< Blarumyrran> Anyway, I should still sign rocket16's mail up for various newsletters, as a lesson
20100205 22:17:55< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: yeah, sign forums@wesnoth.org and shadowm@wesnoth.org while at it!
20100205 22:17:57< shadowmaster> not
20100205 22:18:19< Blarumyrran> Those are actual emails?
20100205 22:18:43< shadowmaster> yeah, and one of them is in Google
20100205 22:18:47< Blarumyrran> I thought all wesnoth.org emails went through cycholka.something
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20100205 22:18:56< shadowmaster> not anymore. Cycholka is not an admin anymore
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20100205 22:29:30< Smar> why there’s this increasing trend people to get hotmail mail boxes...?
20100205 22:30:19< sevis> People want to use MSN, and can't be bothered to get a second one, I'd assume.
20100205 22:31:19< shadowmaster> Smar: my original email adress was hotmail actually
20100205 22:32:19< shadowmaster> and then I got gmail back when it was invite-only
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20100205 22:32:52< shadowmaster> it's still useful for communicating with classmates, though
20100205 22:33:35< Sacho> heh
20100205 22:35:02< Smar> whoa
20100205 22:35:15< Smar> I though hotmail were totally useless about 10 years ago already
20100205 22:35:17< Blarumyrran> Okay, let's say 5 sites is enough
20100205 22:35:37< Blarumyrran> I saw an especially juicy one, but it wanted a credit card number too, and could detect invalid ones >_>
20100205 22:37:13< Blarumyrran> http://www.fastcashinrealestateforeclosures.com/main.htm
20100205 22:37:33< Blarumyrran> So had to drop that one.
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20100205 22:42:17< SekoIdiootti> irclogs = i r clogs
20100205 22:42:47< SekoIdiootti> ...yeah, I know that's kinda weird thing to say as a first thing to say after a really long time.. but...
20100205 22:44:18< Blarumyrran> ... but it's exactly the kind of thing that you would say. Yes.
20100205 22:45:07< SekoIdiootti> lol, maybe yeah
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20100205 22:52:42< SekoIdiootti> bye I go now
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