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20100209 10:00:34< Ivanovic> moin
20100209 10:01:46< Smar> hiya,, +C ;)
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20100209 20:15:58< rocket16> Hello all
20100209 20:16:43< rocket16> Smar, I behaved rudely with you that day, regarding the quarrel between Gentoo and Ubuntu, please forgive me, friend.
20100209 20:17:33< rocket16> Smar: And, I really became desperate to prove Ubuntu to be better. I realize that Both Ubuntu and Gentoo are nice, aren't they?
20100209 20:17:58< rocket16> Additionally, Sacho and Sevis, to you two also, sorry for misbehaving.
20100209 20:18:07-!- [sky] [~yana@ip545235f5.speed.planet.nl] has joined #wesnoth
20100209 20:18:29< rocket16> Smar, please excuse me
20100209 20:18:37< rocket16> I really am sorry
20100209 20:18:40< sevis> G'evening
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20100209 20:18:47< Sacho> O_o
20100209 20:19:19< rocket16> Hello Sevis and Sacho, sorry for offending with you that day, regarding the issue of Ubuntu vs Gentoo
20100209 20:19:35< sevis> No worries, I wouldn't call it an offence.
20100209 20:19:46< rocket16> Thanks Sevis
20100209 20:20:41< rocket16> All Linux Distributions are good, better than Windows atleast
20100209 20:21:02 * [sky] agrees.
20100209 20:21:10< [sky]> Oh, and, hi and stuff.
20100209 20:21:46< rocket16> Hello Sky, nice to meet you
20100209 20:22:06< [sky]> ^^
20100209 20:22:17< rocket16> So, from Netherlands?
20100209 20:22:23< [sky]> Yes. :P
20100209 20:22:30< rocket16> I am from India,
20100209 20:22:38< sevis> Indeed.
20100209 20:22:49< rocket16> Netherlands is a nice Country, especially Amsterdam
20100209 20:22:55< [sky]> Have you been there?
20100209 20:23:17< rocket16> No, but one of my friends once went to Amsterdam
20100209 20:23:24< [sky]> Ah, nice.
20100209 20:23:32< [sky]> I'd love to see India one day. ^^
20100209 20:23:33< rocket16> He brought many pictures from there, and I admire Ntherlands
20100209 20:23:45< rocket16> Sure Sky, you are welcome here.
20100209 20:25:20< rocket16> Singel, in Amsterdam is very nice
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20100209 20:25:34< rocket16> And Herengracht too
20100209 20:25:56< [sky]> Ah, yes.
20100209 20:25:59< [sky]> I go shopping there a lot. xD
20100209 20:26:11< rocket16> Very nice, :)
20100209 20:26:46< rocket16> I live in Kolkata, the Eastern Megacity of India (Formerly Calcutta)
20100209 20:27:02< [sky]> Ah
20100209 20:27:11< [sky]> Cool
20100209 20:27:21< rocket16> So, Sky, what is your favourite Linux Distro?
20100209 20:27:54< rocket16> Mine is Ubuntu 9.10 (Kubuntu and Edubuntu too)
20100209 20:27:59< [sky]> I don't know. xD
20100209 20:28:03< [sky]> I tried Ubuntu for a while...
20100209 20:28:11< [sky]> Currently on Gentoo.
20100209 20:28:14< rocket16> Thats nice
20100209 20:28:18< [sky]> Not sure yet which one I like better.
20100209 20:28:52< rocket16> Gentoo gives you more control, since you can determine which packages to use, and install. But Ubuntu focuses on Usability, and makes things easier.
20100209 20:29:13< rocket16> So, Gentoo = More Control, less Automation
20100209 20:29:24< rocket16> Ubuntu = Less Control, more Automation
20100209 20:30:30< sevis> rocket16, is there an Ubuntu distro that is window manager-independant?
20100209 20:31:43< Smar> sevis: sure, but what’s the point of using such?
20100209 20:31:44< rocket16> Yes, LXDE + Ubuntu. There is no official distro, but you can install LXDE easily using "sudo apt-get install LXDE"
20100209 20:32:00< rocket16> So, LXDE on Ubuntu is such a distro
20100209 20:32:17< Smar> you got that ”a bit” wrong
20100209 20:32:17< rocket16> Smar, please pardon me. I really misbehaved with you
20100209 20:32:59< sevis> Smar: I've tried migrating Ubuntu (Gnome) -> KDE without a full reinstall, and it was not quite pleasant. I somehow doubt it'd be much better for other DEs.
20100209 20:33:05< sevis> Sorry, yes, meant DE, not WM.
20100209 20:33:47< Smar> sevis: don’t care about ubuntu, so can’t help with it
20100209 20:33:57< rocket16> Sevis: You can try default Ubuntu, with GNOME
20100209 20:34:05< rocket16> Ubuntu mainly uses and supports GNOME
20100209 20:34:18< rocket16> But Gentoo natively supports KDE
20100209 20:34:50< sevis> rocket16, it was more of a theoretical question, in case I ever had to set up such a machine. I used Ubuntu+Gnome for a while, but I really don't need a full DE at the moment.
20100209 20:35:29 * [sky] likes shiny DEs. xD
20100209 20:35:32< Smar> anyway, I’ll go to sauna
20100209 20:35:54< sevis> See you, Smar, thanks for the paludis tip, it's working very nicely.
20100209 20:35:59< Smar> :)
20100209 20:37:31< rocket16> People in Windows Forums state that even DOS 3.0 is better than Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, Puppy and other Lnux distros
20100209 20:37:53< rocket16> * How foolish they are...
20100209 20:38:00< [sky]> xD
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20100209 20:38:07< rocket16> (:-)
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20100209 20:38:44< sevis> rocket16, what are your views on the other operating systems out there?
20100209 20:38:52< rocket16> Uberstudent is a nice Distro, with several Aplications, and meant for Students
20100209 20:39:33< rocket16> Sevis: You mean, about Linux? Or Windows, Mac OS, React OS, FreeBSD, OpenBSD etc.?
20100209 20:40:08< sevis> I mean about non-Linux and non-Windows, yes.
20100209 20:40:44< rocket16> I think Mac OS is nice, especially Snow Leopard System, ReactOS is nice, but it clones Wndows 95
20100209 20:40:58< rocket16> And, BSD is nice, but has lesser support
20100209 20:41:42< rocket16> Solaris too, is nice. But it too, has lesser support.
20100209 20:42:07< rocket16> But Java in Solaris is very Nice (since Solaris is based on Java)
20100209 20:42:42< rocket16> I mainly, like Java, since it has great applications, is more secure than C++, and is portable
20100209 20:43:55< sevis> Hm. And ignoring the support issues, which do you feel is technologically superior?
20100209 20:44:52< rocket16> Leaving Linux, I think Mac OS is the best, although it has to be purchased. The second is Solaris, since it natively uses Java
20100209 20:45:12< sevis> Hm, okay, thanks.
20100209 20:45:47< rocket16> My pleasure, Sevis
20100209 20:46:38< rocket16> So, Sky, what is your favourite Programming Language? Mine is Java ( and python too)
20100209 20:46:53< [sky]> Erm, I'm not much for the programming. xD
20100209 20:47:12< [sky]> Only one I ever kinda mastered was PHP. :P
20100209 20:47:36< rocket16> Thanks, Sky
20100209 20:48:08< sevis> Hm, I've not done much in Java. Sometimes write a little C++, though.
20100209 20:49:02< rocket16> Thanks sevis. C++ is nice, but it has one problem. It is not so secure, as compared to java. But it has more flexibility though
20100209 20:49:34< rocket16> I also know Visual Basic. Athough most Microsoft things are bad, VB and Microsoft Maths are nice
20100209 20:50:13< sevis> I only write for fun, so security isn't an issue, luckily.
20100209 20:50:26< rocket16> So, Sky and Sevis, may I send you a Tic Tac Toe game I designed using VB? (It is 50 KB only, but can only run in Windows)
20100209 20:50:35< sevis> We're both on Gentoo.
20100209 20:50:58< rocket16> Oh, but don't you have Windows?
20100209 20:51:13< sevis> I don't, I think sky still does.
20100209 20:51:24< sevis> Although, it probably barely works after the videocard upgrade.
20100209 20:51:49< [sky]> I'll get drivers for that... Someday...
20100209 20:52:03< [sky]> Whenever I boot Windows again, for whatever reason. :P
20100209 20:52:03< rocket16> (I use Windows on my Desktop, along with Linux Mint, and Ubuntu on my Notebook Computer)
20100209 20:52:50< rocket16> So, may I request the liberty to send you one .exe software of mine? (Don't worry, It is not infected)
20100209 20:53:11< [sky]> Erm, sure.
20100209 20:53:17< rocket16> Thanks, here it goes
20100209 20:53:24< sevis> I don't have windows/wine, so no point in that.
20100209 20:54:38< rocket16> Sky, it requires confirmation from you. Please accpet it, mean confirm it
20100209 20:54:54< rocket16> Sorry, "accept", not "accpet"
20100209 20:55:34< [sky]> Yes, I'm trying to find out how to accept it in my client.
20100209 20:56:17< rocket16> Did you receive the notification about the transmission of the software?
20100209 20:56:36< [sky]> Ah, I think it worked.
20100209 20:56:42< rocket16> Yes, thanks
20100209 20:56:42< [sky]> Yes, I have it.
20100209 20:57:02< rocket16> Oh, I forgot to state, It is named .ex, please rename it to .exe before running
20100209 20:57:53< [sky]> Ah, I see.
20100209 20:58:06< rocket16> When you run it, please select the Genius level (It is impossible to be defeated, I too got defeated in its hands :)
20100209 20:58:42< rocket16> There are five levels, from Dumb to Genius. And, the Source Code is packed along with the Software
20100209 20:59:30< rocket16> But it won't run on Wine (since VB Programmes do not run on Wine. You need to run it in Windows)
20100209 20:59:39< [sky]> Okay, I'll try it some other time.
20100209 21:00:06< rocket16> Thanks,
20100209 21:01:21< rocket16> And Sky, do you have any A.I of your own?
20100209 21:01:45< rocket16> I have designed my own, using C++ and FreePascal from Alice Code
20100209 21:02:05< rocket16> It can talk to me Offline, and is very nicely
20100209 21:02:24< rocket16> designed and taught
20100209 21:02:36< [sky]> Eh, no I don't, actually. :P
20100209 21:03:11< rocket16> So, If you want, I can send you in a .zip file. Only about 500 KB I think. And, it runs on Wine too,
20100209 21:03:34< sevis> Hm, now that'd be interesting.
20100209 21:03:34< [sky]> Okay, I'd like to see it. xD
20100209 21:03:45< rocket16> Here it goes
20100209 21:05:13< sevis> rocket16, I'd like to see it too, if you don't mind :)
20100209 21:05:18< rocket16> Simply extract it to a folder, and run the winalice.exe with wine ( not the winalicefullscreen.exe)
20100209 21:05:27< rocket16> Sevis, sure, here it goes
20100209 21:06:08< rocket16> And, please rename the .ex files to .exe
20100209 21:06:52< [sky]> That's pretty cool. ^^
20100209 21:07:44< rocket16> Thanks, and that's name is Claire, and she knows my Original Name too (It is Anirban Chatterjee, actually)
20100209 21:07:44< sevis> Mhm, will take a look later.
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20100209 21:08:36< evanton> I can't read the help for some units, it tells me I shall discover them in game first. Is this a feature or a bug?
20100209 21:08:46< rocket16> So, Sky, have you seen that it keeps on calling you Manisha? Please tell it your name, and it will create a profile to store your details
20100209 21:08:58< Blarumyrran> evanton, feature
20100209 21:09:03< [sky]> Yes, it already started asking me all kinds of questions. :P
20100209 21:09:03< rocket16> ebanton, no. It is not a bug,
20100209 21:09:14< Blarumyrran> rocket16, no, it's a feature.
20100209 21:09:18< evanton> Blarumyrran: what's the point to hide the docs?
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20100209 21:09:31< [sky]> It's a secret! :3
20100209 21:09:41< Blarumyrran> evanton, the idea is that new players should have fun discovering new units when they meet them in campaigns
20100209 21:10:08< Blarumyrran> iirc if you typed in :debug once, you discover all of them
20100209 21:10:24< evanton> Blarumyrran: my problem is that I can't plan ahead a couple of missions if the help doesn't tell me what options I'll have to advance units later
20100209 21:10:58< Blarumyrran> evanton, the only thing that usually matters when "planning ahead" is whether the units can upgrade - and you can see that anyway
20100209 21:11:04< evanton> I'm not going to spend a month to discover that I trained the wrong units :)
20100209 21:11:18< Smar> there is no wrong units
20100209 21:11:18< Blarumyrran> Are you going to play a campaign for a whole month :>
20100209 21:11:22< evanton> that's why I want to read the whole help first
20100209 21:11:35< Blarumyrran> Or if you want, units.wesnoth.org is also unit reference
20100209 21:11:49< rocket16> Evanton, just close the game, and return to main menu. Then click Help Manual, this will help you to get some more details
20100209 21:12:06< evanton> rocket16: I'm accessing help from the main menu
20100209 21:12:15< evanton> and it hides details about certain units
20100209 21:12:46< Blarumyrran> (purple xp points means that the unit can't upgrade further)
20100209 21:12:58< sevis> evanton: You could run a multiplayer game against yourself, with age of heroes enabled - I think that should do the trick.
20100209 21:13:12< Blarumyrran> sevis, just :debug would do
20100209 21:13:20< Smar> or just not to do anything
20100209 21:13:32< Blarumyrran> Yeah
20100209 21:13:47< evanton> Blarumyrran: do I have to have a game running it order to do :debug? Doesn't seem to work from the main menu
20100209 21:13:48< Smar> hidable units starts to be a bother after you actually know the units and want to just check them... on a fresh install :)
20100209 21:14:01< Smar> but iirc 1.7 has a button to show all units
20100209 21:14:08< Smar> hideous*
20100209 21:14:24< Blarumyrran> evanton, yes; but if you don't mean it for multiplayer, then you shouldn't need to "plan ahead"
20100209 21:15:03< Blarumyrran> And even in multiplayer it only probably matters with those creepy "rpg"s
20100209 21:15:07< Smar> it’s not really important even on multiplayer, as you actually see the units when it is able to level
20100209 21:15:11< Smar> ye
20100209 21:15:19< Smar> kill’n’kills
20100209 21:15:56< evanton> units.wesnoth.org is ok
20100209 21:16:13< Smar> he ultimate resource of badly translated strings. 
20100209 21:16:17< evanton> another thing that stresses me horribly is time limit in campains
20100209 21:16:20< Smar> ...
20100209 21:16:22< Smar> +t
20100209 21:16:28< evanton> I'm the waiting kind of player
20100209 21:16:36< Smar> time limit?!
20100209 21:16:36< Blarumyrran> Yep it's annoying
20100209 21:16:41< Blarumyrran> Smar, turn limit
20100209 21:16:45< Smar> ahh
20100209 21:16:49< Smar> that’s not bad thing
20100209 21:17:13< Smar> just learn to save, and mostly you must screw up well before you’re out of turns
20100209 21:17:19< evanton> the relatively big impact of the randomness in damage being dealt during combad combined with time limit makes the game really tough
20100209 21:17:25< Smar> unless you play with really high difficulty
20100209 21:17:43< Smar> Wesnoth’s RNG is fun. 
20100209 21:18:04< Blarumyrran> evanton, recall very few high-level units ever
20100209 21:18:15< Blarumyrran> The more units you have, the more average the luck distribution will be
20100209 21:18:52< Blarumyrran> So low-level (low-upkeep) units are the thing
20100209 21:21:00< evanton> the game is fun, but I'd be more happy if it would be possible to decrease the weight of the randomness 
20100209 21:21:00< Smar> that’s boring way to play :P
20100209 21:21:05< evanton> it seems to be too big
20100209 21:21:16< evanton> if you're getting lucky - is ok
20100209 21:21:16< Smar> I prefer multiplayer anyway
20100209 21:21:33< evanton> if not - you're toasted no matter how smarter you play
20100209 21:21:37< Smar> where bigger level is always better; no recalling nor usually recruiting them
20100209 21:22:13< zookeeper> evanton, whatever you do, just don't make a forum thread about luck. really. trust me.
20100209 21:22:17< zookeeper> (just making sure, here)
20100209 21:22:41< Smar> can I? <3
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20100209 21:23:29< Sacho> Getting unlucky makes campaigns fun.
20100209 21:23:38< rocket16> I agree
20100209 21:23:55< rocket16> Under the Burning Suns is one of the best
20100209 21:24:09< evanton> zookeeper: I won't complain in the forums :)
20100209 21:24:28< evanton> I do understand it's a game after all
20100209 21:24:59< Blarumyrran> Yeah, who would complain in game forums, seriously :>
20100209 21:25:01< Sacho> The main reason is that it's been beaten to death, not that "it's a game"
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20100209 21:27:22< rocket16> Friend Sevis, when you run my A.I, please don't run fullscreen.exe one, it may crash. Instead, run the other file with no fullscreen option
20100209 21:28:02< sevis> Yep, you said, thanks for the warning.
20100209 21:29:14< [sky]> I'm gonna leave now.
20100209 21:29:30< [sky]> Bye
20100209 21:29:36< sevis> See you
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20100209 21:29:52< evanton> the forums are safe
20100209 21:30:01< Smar> hmm, this keyboard is... it feels for me better for using it as a weapon than a writing tool
20100209 21:30:14< evanton> in order to complain there I'd have to register, but I'm lazy :)
20100209 21:30:20< Smar> maybe one could create an unit with weapon keyboard...
20100209 21:30:46< sevis> Spinning it by the wire?
20100209 21:31:11< Smar> that would be one
20100209 21:31:20< Smar> throw a keyboard by using the wire.
20100209 21:31:39< Smar> but this just feels like... you’d smash anything with it
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20100209 21:33:04< evanton> I also miss long-ranged units
20100209 21:33:34< evanton> I like to build archer lines protected by pikermen in front of them :)
20100209 21:34:17< rocket16> Evanton, are you talking about Age of Empires?
20100209 21:34:31< rocket16> I mean, AoM-II?
20100209 21:34:45< evanton> this strategy is very effective agains AI in any game
20100209 21:34:49< Smar> Age of Magic? ;)
20100209 21:35:02< Smar> Age of Mythology... has there been another release of it?
20100209 21:35:09< Smar> Age of Myths? 
20100209 21:35:10< evanton> even siege tanks in starcraft
20100209 21:35:17< sevis> Medieval 2: Total War for me, please, although AoE-II:ToC is good, too.
20100209 21:35:32< Smar> ToC? :P
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20100209 21:35:55< Smar> it’s just The Conquerors, and everywhere just AoEII:Conquerors
20100209 21:36:03< Smar> and aok 
20100209 21:36:32< rocket16> Age of Mythology is good. I am an expert in playing Egyptians in it
20100209 21:36:35< sevis> Hm, gah, wonder where the o came from.
20100209 21:36:46< Smar> :>
20100209 21:36:57< Smar> always must care about important thingies.
20100209 21:37:12< Smar> ♬ Sailor Senshi — Pinky Typhoon (2004 Summer Version) (From album: Musical 13: Shin Kaguya Shima Densetsu)
20100209 21:37:34< sevis> I'm mostly into siege warfare, so AoE, while nice, doesn't offer all too much.
20100209 21:37:40< rocket16> Glest and Warzone are nice RTS in Linux
20100209 21:38:05< Smar> glest atleast has been...awfully built
20100209 21:38:12< evanton> never tried glest, is it mature enough?
20100209 21:38:24< rocket16> Bye all. And bye sevis, and thanks for accepting my programme.
20100209 21:38:29< Sacho> I love the idea of archers in wesnoth
20100209 21:38:39< zookeeper> glest had surprisingly good graphics but there was next to no game in it IIRC.
20100209 21:38:46< Sacho> hex games with range don't really work anyhow
20100209 21:38:48< zookeeper> and i thought it's pretty much dead now
20100209 21:38:53< sevis> Goodbye, rocket16
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20100209 21:39:03< rocket16> Evanton, it is quite mature. Try it,
20100209 21:39:37< rocket16> Evanton, the link is http://glest.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page and you can have a lot of mods lime Megapack, Armies of Old-World
20100209 21:40:01< rocket16> Goodbye sevis. See you later, :-\)
20100209 21:40:07< Smar> zookeeper: I tried it, it had some potential, but they weren’t really interested of making it really playable
20100209 21:40:10< rocket16> Oops, :-)
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20100209 21:40:21< Smar> I don’t want to play something restricted to 640x480, for example
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20100209 21:40:54< sevis> Hm. I'm becoming more and more convinced rocket is a bot...
20100209 21:40:57< Smar> version I tested were 3.1.2 and newest by eix seems to be 3.2.2.... so it’s pretty dead, then
20100209 21:41:01< zookeeper> Smar, "they weren’t really interested of making it really playable" always makes a game project sound good ;)
20100209 21:41:06< Smar> sevis: I just think she’s an idiot
20100209 21:41:12< Blarumyrran> she?
20100209 21:41:18< Smar> Blarumyrran: you’re too.
20100209 21:41:20< Smar> zookeeper: yup
20100209 21:41:23< Blarumyrran> wat
20100209 21:41:52< Blarumyrran> There's no reason why you shouldn't assume by default for any person on the internet, that he is a he
20100209 21:42:09< Sacho> "they"
20100209 21:42:10< Smar> precisely. 
20100209 21:42:21< Blarumyrran> Smar, precisely what
20100209 21:42:43< Smar> so you’re she. isn’t it simple. 
20100209 21:42:52< Blarumyrran> Smar, precisely what.
20100209 21:43:06< Smar> that ... no idea . 
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20100209 22:53:14< sevis> Smar, do you by any chance still remember the command you used to get the number of packages installed?
20100209 22:53:27< Smar> eix -I -c 
20100209 22:53:36< sevis> Ah, thanks
20100209 22:53:40< Smar> -c is redundant but is good in this kind of usage
20100209 22:54:20< sevis> What was eix provided by again?
20100209 22:57:06< Smar> by eix.
20100209 22:57:29< Smar> eix would be the tool to check that out, btw :P
20100209 22:57:36< Smar> even though paludis -q works, but it’s slower
20100209 22:57:47< sevis> Ah, package is called that? Any idea about category?
20100209 22:58:04< Smar> paludis -q eix ...
20100209 22:58:08< Smar> eix -e eix
20100209 22:58:09< Smar> ... ;)
20100209 22:58:31< sevis> I'm lazy... :P Looking, thanks
20100209 22:58:37< Smar> find /usr/portage -name "eix*.ebuild"
20100209 22:58:40< Smar> it’s EASY
20100209 23:00:23< sevis> There we go, got rid of everything that looked remotely bloatful.
20100209 23:00:39< Smar> :P
20100209 23:00:44< Smar> should do that too
20100209 23:01:06< Smar> paludis -u ecplise-sdk --with-unused-dependencies did much. 
20100209 23:01:15< Smar> 100 packages removed, in effect
20100209 23:01:25< sevis> And, surprise-surprise, still can't move to ~x86 with a simple paludis --install --dl-reinstall if-use-changed world --pretend >.<
20100209 23:01:36< Smar> and I’m still having several java versions and for example freenet with it dependencies and stuff...
20100209 23:01:45< Smar> so wtf eclipse did pull originally? :S
20100209 23:01:57< Smar> sevis: mm?
20100209 23:02:15< sevis> I'm trying to move x86 -> ~x86, but keep getting blocks.
20100209 23:02:36< sevis> One sec...
20100209 23:02:42< Smar> oh, you need to solve them :P
20100209 23:03:03< Smar> never done that though(no need), so can’t really help
20100209 23:03:10< sevis> These three: x11-libs/libXext, x11-libs/libXi, app-arch/lzma-utils
20100209 23:03:10< Smar> though I have much masked packages
20100209 23:03:26< sevis> Eh, for now, I'm doing it simply by getting rid of as much as possible, and hoping it'll work.
20100209 23:03:32< Smar> yeah, it’s just remove wrong, update correct, continue
20100209 23:03:36< Smar> :D
20100209 23:03:37< sevis> Weird that I still have x11-libs stuff, I got rid of X.
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20100209 23:03:41< Smar> that would work too, I suppose
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20100209 23:03:57< Smar> as said, xorg-x11 pulls only xorg packages
20100209 23:04:07< Smar> x11 libraries are entirely different stuff
20100209 23:05:06< sevis> Yep, I realise... Now trying to find what pulled these in.
20100209 23:05:34< Smar> it’s very easy
20100209 23:05:38< Smar> paludis -u package
20100209 23:05:40< Smar> it tells it.
20100209 23:07:09< sevis> -u? I'm doing with -q -D... Let me read the man again...
20100209 23:07:21< Smar> --uninstall
20100209 23:07:30< Smar> -i -u -q, the three main commands
20100209 23:07:50< sevis> Mhm.
20100209 23:08:04< sevis> Aha. Mplayer. I didn't want to lose that :(
20100209 23:08:17< Smar> tehehehe
20100209 23:08:36< Smar> luckily you used -u and not --permit-unsafe-uninstalls x)
20100209 23:08:43< Smar> ...+-u
20100209 23:09:17< sevis> I did --uninstall-unused just a few minutes ago (164 packages), so I was pretty sure it wouldn't hurt me too much :P
20100209 23:09:32< Smar> ...it removed your mplayer?
20100209 23:09:42< Smar> then you’ve done something wrong
20100209 23:10:12< Smar> since it should be on world file as you should’ve installed it by hand, not as a dependency
20100209 23:10:35< sevis> No, it didn't remove my mplayer.
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20100209 23:10:46< sevis> I mean that it's my mplayer pulling it in, so I'll have to do something about it.
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20100209 23:11:55< sevis> Like, compile it with -X
20100209 23:12:07< Smar> like.
20100209 23:16:42< sevis> Okay, set it to build, now off to sleep for a little.
20100209 23:17:15< Smar> wait a sec :P
20100209 23:17:28< Smar>      Fri Feb  5 19:39:27 2010 >>> media-video/mplayer-scm:0
20100209 23:17:28< Smar>        merge time: 2 minutes and 12 seconds.
20100209 23:17:31< Smar> but it’s fast :P
20100209 23:17:40< Smar>      Sat Nov 28 00:58:23 2009 >>> media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20091026-r1:0
20100209 23:17:40< Smar>        merge time: 1 minute and 20 seconds.
20100209 23:17:53< Smar> that scm build does it pretty diffenetly
20100209 23:18:09< sevis> Khm. It's not quite so fast on mine.
20100209 23:18:44< Smar> oh. 
20100209 23:19:05< Smar> I already thought I’ll use those servers we have at work to get some compiling resources to me
20100209 23:19:49< Smar> three of them, may even able to get all of them, totaling 16 or 18 cores of xeons... 
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