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20100210 04:28:32< FAAB> I am wondering if it is possible to read a txt from WML add store the content in a variable
20100210 04:29:03< shadowmaster> no
20100210 04:29:21< shadowmaster> er, well, yes, if you include it using the {} WML preprocessor directive
20100210 04:30:12< shadowmaster> for example {VARIABLE foobar_store "{~add-ons/Epic_Fail/misc/dumb.txt}"}
20100210 04:30:53< FAAB> that looks exactly like what I want to do :)
20100210 04:31:41< FAAB> if I jsut put an underscore before the doublequote I turn the content of the file into a translatable string ?
20100210 04:32:56< shadowmaster> yes, but don't
20100210 04:33:10< shadowmaster> there's no way that will work due to the way translation catalogues are generated.
20100210 04:33:55< FAAB> do you mean the way trnaslatable strings are collected into the po file ?
20100210 04:34:03< shadowmaster> yes
20100210 04:35:05< FAAB> I see. But if the content of the file get in the po file from some other way, would wesnoth use the translation ?
20100210 04:35:16< shadowmaster> yes, but it won't get into the po file.
20100210 04:36:04< FAAB> thank you shadowmaster, I understand
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20100210 05:37:15< rocket16> Hello all
20100210 05:37:29< Espreon> Hello.
20100210 05:37:53< rocket16> Hi Espreon, please forgive my harsh words on that day, related to Ubuntu vs Gentoo
20100210 05:38:38< rocket16> Actually, the term "Best OS" is different to different people. Some are attracted towards Ubuntu, while some are towards Gentoo
20100210 05:39:16< Espreon> 'Tis all right.
20100210 05:39:26< rocket16> Thanks Espreon
20100210 05:40:05< rocket16> By the way, do you run Wine or Dosemu anything, that can mimic Windows, Espreon?
20100210 05:40:39< rocket16> Sevis: Friend Sevis, did you try my A.I yet?  so, how is it?
20100210 05:40:56< Espreon> Well, I do run Wine; however, it is quite flawed.
20100210 05:41:04< Espreon> But, that is to be expected...
20100210 05:41:20< rocket16> Oh, which version is it? 1.1.37?
20100210 05:41:54< rocket16> I run the 37-Version, compiled from Source, but have deb package too. It runs smoothly, with Ubuntu 9.10
20100210 05:42:01< Espreon> It was 1.1.36.
20100210 05:42:28< Espreon> I recently reinstalled my system, as something really weird happened to my build of gcc.
20100210 05:42:40< rocket16> O, I think it is an unstable one. I run my A.I, Claire on Wine, and it runs nicely
20100210 05:42:56< rocket16> 1.1.37 is also unstable though
20100210 05:43:19< Espreon> Well, even the stable versions would be heavily flawed.
20100210 05:44:29< rocket16> Right. But in Ubuntu, they run smoothly, although sometimes they may crash.
20100210 05:44:45< rocket16> The last stable version, 1.0.1 is heavily outdated.
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20100210 05:45:30< rocket16> Hello un214,
20100210 05:45:40< un214> hi rocket16
20100210 05:45:59< rocket16> Nice to meet you,
20100210 05:46:04< rocket16> :)
20100210 05:46:16< Espreon> Even if it runs smoothly, it is still heavily flawed.™
20100210 05:46:47< un214> +-<:-)       <---- Smiley is the pope
20100210 05:46:53< rocket16> ESpreon: Yes, but is there any specific problem?
20100210 05:47:04< rocket16> un214: Great!
20100210 05:47:21 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100210 05:47:37< Espreon> Take a nice look at Wine's bug list. ;)
20100210 05:47:41< rocket16> un214: So, are you from Italy?
20100210 05:47:52< un214> no, US/CA
20100210 05:48:02< rocket16> Espreon: Yes, they are quite big,
20100210 05:48:18< rocket16> un214: Thanks, India
20100210 05:48:28< rocket16> un214: I mean, I am from India
20100210 05:48:36< un214> so it isn't morning for you then
20100210 05:48:51< Espreon> rocket16: Why did you assume that he was from Italy?
20100210 05:49:05< un214> Espreon: the stupid joke of course
20100210 05:49:21< Espreon> Hwæt stupid joke?
20100210 05:49:41< un214> the one you rolled your eyes at
20100210 05:49:58< Espreon> OK...
20100210 05:51:16< rocket16> un214: Sorry, I couldn't reply, since I was installing Java in my System using a deb package
20100210 05:51:41< rocket16> un214: For us, the time is 10:21 AM morning
20100210 05:51:57< rocket16> Espreon: Because of his nice Pope Smily,
20100210 05:53:32< rocket16> un214: There are four Time Znes in USA, but still, the time of your area may be around 12:00 AM, midnight
20100210 05:53:59< un214> It's 7 to 9 here.
20100210 05:54:06< Espreon> Uh, OK then...
20100210 05:54:59< rocket16> Oh, but I thought the time of USA is 10.5 hours less than our time,
20100210 05:56:22< un214> That would put you on the eastern seaboard
20100210 05:56:31< rocket16> Oh,
20100210 05:56:54< un214> e.g. New York
20100210 05:57:04< Espreon> Or in Pennsylvania... where I am...
20100210 05:57:36< rocket16> New York, the City I wish to go, I don't know whether I would even be able to
20100210 05:57:57< Espreon> There is nothing special about New York City.
20100210 05:58:03< rocket16> Viva la America! I like America, for it is the Savior of Democracy
20100210 05:58:10< Espreon> No, it is not.
20100210 05:58:18< un214> Is there a tecnical animation tutorial somewhere? I lack the skill to actually animate my custom unit and managed to cause the default "bounce" animation to get quite jerky.
20100210 05:58:33< un214> probably something wrong with the sound timings.
20100210 05:59:00< Espreon> You mean with AnimationWML?
20100210 05:59:05< un214> yeah
20100210 05:59:29< rocket16> Really? But New York is really great! According to me, New York is one of the best places in the entire globe
20100210 05:59:58< rocket16> Still, you are lucky, since you are born in the Great nation of America
20100210 06:00:04< Espreon> un214: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AnimationWML — Have fun.
20100210 06:00:17< rocket16> While we are practically rotting here, in India
20100210 06:00:24< Espreon> rocket16: But, what makes it so great?
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20100210 06:01:11< rocket16> Better ask, what not? America saved us from Hitler, from Mussolini, from Tozo, from Communists of Russia, helped India to fight back at Chinese
20100210 06:01:45< rocket16> So, our Congress signed the Nuclear Deal with America
20100210 06:02:21< Espreon> But... mein Führer..
20100210 06:02:38< rocket16> Really, President Bush, President Clinton, resident Obama, President Lincoln, President Washington, all are among the greatest leaders, while ours one is a dumb one
20100210 06:03:04< un214> We've had our share of dumb.
20100210 06:03:09< Espreon> Move to Cuba, for señor Castro is a pretty cool guy.
20100210 06:03:25< rocket16> Our President Pratibha Patil is a servent of Snia Gandhi, the Empress of our nation (She is the leader of the ruling party)
20100210 06:04:01< rocket16> Sorry, "Sonia GAndhi" not Sia Gandhi
20100210 06:04:20< un214> it's gonna be a sad day if India and Packistan come to blows. I don't think even being this far away it won't affect me.
20100210 06:04:43< rocket16> Yes, PAkistan is really a bad nation
20100210 06:05:07< rocket16> Are you aware of the terrorist attack to Mumbai on 26/11/2008?
20100210 06:05:47< Zarel> Are you aware that the Chinese government is recording this very conversation? :O
20100210 06:05:48< un214> No, but I would preach holy war against islam if I thought it would do any good anyway.
20100210 06:05:53< Espreon> Indeed!
20100210 06:05:53< rocket16> Pakistan planned it, and entered Kasav with his other companions, who killed many of our fighters
20100210 06:06:00< un214> Zarel: I don't care.
20100210 06:06:04< Zarel> You better watch out, or the Commies will invade you again! :O
20100210 06:06:20< un214> No, they will starve if they try any such foolish thing.
20100210 06:06:25< rocket16> ZArel: Really!!!???
20100210 06:06:44< rocket16> Good say,
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20100210 06:07:04< un214> You see, we feed them.
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20100210 06:07:29< rocket16> I am here, protected by the Royal Forces of India, within 30 from my House (One of the army bases is near our House)
20100210 06:07:36< rocket16> un214: Good reason,
20100210 06:07:55< rocket16> See, America is the best! Do you agree, un214?
20100210 06:08:09< un214> No.
20100210 06:08:22< rocket16> un214: What?????
20100210 06:08:34< rocket16> un214: Wy not?
20100210 06:08:40< Espreon> I am with un214.
20100210 06:08:43< rocket16> Sorry "Why not?",
20100210 06:08:45< un214> When Israel grows a spine again you will see.
20100210 06:09:03< Espreon> Hwȳ not you say?
20100210 06:09:14< Zarel> rofl
20100210 06:09:23< rocket16> Israel, ha ha, Are you telling me that it can defeat USA?
20100210 06:09:32< rocket16> Israel has been, and is being helped by USA
20100210 06:09:52< un214> And it will go bad for us if we change our policy.
20100210 06:09:54< Zarel> I think you misinterpret.
20100210 06:10:12< rocket16> India bought Spider-net Technology from Israel, at a low price
20100210 06:10:32< Zarel> And do you really think the Royal Forces of India can protect you from the People's Liberation Army?
20100210 06:10:35< rocket16> Okay, but President Bush is great! Any doubts?
20100210 06:10:46< Zarel> China has mandatory enlistment _and_ the largest population of any country in the world.
20100210 06:11:06< VurtualRuler98> What did I just miss?
20100210 06:11:15< rocket16> But from Wkipedia, INA has greater active membership than PLA
20100210 06:11:44< rocket16> And, now we have USA as our protector, with the echnologies of USA, and our brave Sldiers, PLA is not match for us
20100210 06:11:46 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100210 06:11:56< un214> Ah yes, China, "the kings of the east" most likely.
20100210 06:12:00< VurtualRuler98> echnologies?
20100210 06:12:21< rocket16> Remember, that 700 Million people are revolting in China
20100210 06:12:21< Espreon> With ze Royal Lead, thou shalt be smitten...
20100210 06:12:28< Espreon> *Royal Lead of ze East
20100210 06:12:36< VurtualRuler98> Seriously, what did I Just miss?
20100210 06:12:44< rocket16> Right VurtialRuler98, China is no match for USA
20100210 06:12:54< VurtualRuler98> It sounds like a debate over who has a bigger army, but everybody keeps changing sides.
20100210 06:12:55< rocket16> Earlier USSR opposed USA, and see their condition
20100210 06:12:57< Zarel> Numbers can beat technology.
20100210 06:13:07< VurtualRuler98> I'm not in any side of this.
20100210 06:13:14< un214> I think I'll go hide in high orbit.
20100210 06:13:15< Zarel> And the instant the PLA does a draft, it will have more members than the INA.
20100210 06:13:20< VurtualRuler98> Don't drag me into your omnidirectional discussions.
20100210 06:13:49< rocket16> USA has Patriot Counter-Missile, to destroy all Made-in-China missiles
20100210 06:14:20< VurtualRuler98> Wait, the missiles destroy themselves?
20100210 06:14:27< VurtualRuler98> That's some pretty amazing science there.
20100210 06:14:45< rocket16> In 1961, Chinese declared a Cease-fire with India, as soon as USA came to help us. See, how they fear the Americans
20100210 06:14:58< un214> They don't want to starve.
20100210 06:15:11< rocket16> Yes, Patriot is built to counter any Missile
20100210 06:15:37< un214> Hmmm, Patriot vs. ICBM?
20100210 06:15:39< VurtualRuler98> China would have a very hard time being in those half-wars using another country against the USA. They aren't built to do that.
20100210 06:16:16< Zarel> See, the thing about global thermonuclear war, is that the only way to win is to not play.
20100210 06:16:25< rocket16> ICBM has a long range, but Patriot can counter it
20100210 06:16:27< VurtualRuler98> The only way to win is to not play until you are much bigger.
20100210 06:16:36< un214> And I am willing to play it in some cases.
20100210 06:16:41< VurtualRuler98> It's not too hard, just have a defense stat. Those don't exist until the late game.
20100210 06:16:58< rocket16> Within 2020, China will face the wrath of India and USA
20100210 06:17:12< un214> I'd rather not.
20100210 06:17:21< un214> No point causing nuclear winter for no good reason.
20100210 06:17:21< VurtualRuler98> Sending chinese soldiers to assist like in the korean war wouldn't make much sense nowadays, because modern militaries can go "BEEP BOOP IT'S CHINA, CHINA IS FIGHTING, HEALP.", and have 3000 tiny third world countries from Europe lending funny-named special forces.
20100210 06:17:59< rocket16> USA vs China is like Ancient Lich vs Peasent in Wesnoth gaming System
20100210 06:18:31< VurtualRuler98> You from the cold war era kid?
20100210 06:18:37< VurtualRuler98> "Wesnoth Gaming System"?
20100210 06:18:42< un214> no.
20100210 06:18:57< un214> night.
20100210 06:18:59< VurtualRuler98> Does it come with a second player and graphics less detailed than old legos?
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20100210 06:19:06< rocket16> I mean, Wesnoth Game
20100210 06:19:50< rocket16> VurtualRuler98, I am just 14, and how can be from the Cold war are? It ended on 1991
20100210 06:20:04< VurtualRuler98> USA and china fighting would be like having a thousand spearmans(china) vs a bunch of drakes and a few spear-resistant units.
20100210 06:20:06< rocket16> When President Bush and M.Gorbachev declared a truce
20100210 06:20:17< VurtualRuler98> And unless those dragons are spartans you ain't winnin' nothing.
20100210 06:21:15< rocket16> VurtualRuler98: But each of them have 100000000+ HP
20100210 06:21:45< rocket16> So, VurtualRuler98, you use Windows Vista, don't you?
20100210 06:22:10< VurtualRuler98> Yup, why?
20100210 06:23:01< VurtualRuler98> Also, winning with drakes vs a thousand spearmen is actually really easy if you have lots of heavy infantry somehow. USA needs enough tanks to build a solid wall of tanks(as bricks), 30 feet high.
20100210 06:23:16< rocket16> Just wondering. I just checked your IP, and came to know that. Try Ubuntu 9.10, it is pretty nice
20100210 06:23:28< VurtualRuler98> *cough*
20100210 06:23:28 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100210 06:23:33< VurtualRuler98> Running 9.04 on my latop next to me.
20100210 06:23:49< rocket16> Great!
20100210 06:23:50< Zarel> ...erm, having lots of heavy infantry doesn't count as "winning with drakes"
20100210 06:23:58< rocket16> I am a fan of Ubuntu!
20100210 06:24:00< Zarel> The USA can't even handle Iraq. It would lose horribly to China.
20100210 06:24:12< rocket16> I use both Ubuntu 9.04 (Desktop) and 9.10 (LAptop)
20100210 06:24:17< VurtualRuler98> Zarel, well, every side nowadays has tanks.
20100210 06:24:35< VurtualRuler98> So you need some sort of tank-like unit added to properly account.
20100210 06:24:48< rocket16> Iraq? USA just hanged Saddam Hussain
20100210 06:25:01< VurtualRuler98> Upstairs is two computers, one running XP(needs repair for the fan), and another running ME or 2000 or millenium or something obscure that's built into a fileserver machine, someone probably installed some server-friendly OS on it though.
20100210 06:25:26< rocket16> Grand
20100210 06:25:33< VurtualRuler98> Just? That was like, 4 years ago.
20100210 06:25:48< Zarel> VurtualRuler98: Well, if US has HI, then China has a bunch of mages.
20100210 06:26:06< rocket16> Yes, but still the influence is present
20100210 06:26:10< VurtualRuler98> China has to have one of the softer tank units, really cheap.
20100210 06:27:18< rocket16> USA has allies like India, Israel, France, Australia, England,CAnada, but what about China? They don't have any such allies
20100210 06:27:44< Zarel> Yeah, and it took them _ages_
20100210 06:27:48< rocket16> INA smashed PLA in a recent clash with China, 7 months ago
20100210 06:27:58< Zarel> Not to mention Osama's still at large.
20100210 06:28:03< VurtualRuler98> China has all those other commies.
20100210 06:28:41< rocket16> So, VirtualRuler98, you are from Asheboro, perhaps?
20100210 06:28:50< VurtualRuler98> ...I don't even know where or what that is
20100210 06:29:04< VurtualRuler98> Isn't that in Wisconsin?
20100210 06:29:07< VurtualRuler98> Or...Germany or something?
20100210 06:29:25< rocket16> Oops, sorry. It is in Poland probably
20100210 06:30:47 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100210 06:31:08< rocket16> Osama, did you check out the USA article in Unclyclopdeia? It is funny, with Osama as one of the contributors of USA,
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20100210 06:32:23< Espreon> LOL, Uncyclopedia.
20100210 06:32:51< rocket16> Yes, it is very funny
20100210 06:33:02< Espreon> No, it is not.
20100210 06:33:21< rocket16> Why not?
20100210 06:33:27< Espreon> It is so unclassy...
20100210 06:33:37< Espreon> There are far... superior sites out there...
20100210 06:33:50< Zarel> Well, some parts are funny.
20100210 06:33:53< Zarel> It's better than ED.
20100210 06:34:04< Espreon> LIES!
20100210 06:34:05< Zarel> Ever seen Fisher Price: A Retrospective?
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20100210 06:34:18< Euthanatos> LOL@Ubuntu
20100210 06:34:34< rocket16> Ubuntu? Do you call it funny?
20100210 06:35:28< VurtualRuler98> Hating on Ubuntu/mocking it is like hating on star wars lego sets on only making star wars things.
20100210 06:35:45< VurtualRuler98> You can do lots of potentially spcaeshippy things!
20100210 06:36:22< rocket16> So, VirtualRuler98, I think you are a great supporter of Ubuntu, like me, aren't you?
20100210 06:38:45< rocket16> In a world without fences and walls, who needs Gates (Billy) and Windows (Microsoft Windows)?
20100210 06:40:23< Zarel> Euthanatos: Heya! I know you from the forums! :O
20100210 06:40:47< Euthanatos> LOL yeah we have quite the debate going on.
20100210 06:40:52< Euthanatos> Good stuff
20100210 06:41:06< Zarel> VurtualRuler98: Hating on Ubuntu is more like hating on the popular kid since he doesn't actually have any useful skills.
20100210 06:41:10< Euthanatos> rocket16, Slackware>Ubuntu
20100210 06:41:21< Euthanatos> That's not true
20100210 06:41:31< Euthanatos> Ubuntu has lots of 'skills' (or rather...merits)
20100210 06:41:41< Euthanatos> It's idiot friendly like windoze
20100210 06:42:17< rocket16> Euthanatos, It depends on the user. Ubuntu is better than Slackware in many ways, while Slackware is better than Ubuntu in other ways
20100210 06:42:29< Euthanatos> I can agree with that
20100210 06:42:43< Euthanatos> If you're a newbie to linux i would never reccomend slackware
20100210 06:42:49< Euthanatos> I would definately reccomend ubuntu
20100210 06:43:01< Zarel> Nearly every distro > Ubuntu.
20100210 06:43:14< Zarel> I'd recommend Ubuntu to a newbie.
20100210 06:43:22< Euthanatos> But if you've been using linux for a while and are searching for the perfect distro....well...I would totally reccomend Slackware
20100210 06:43:34< Zarel> Probably one of their development versions, at that, which currently appear to be more stable than their stables. :|
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20100210 06:43:55< Euthanatos> Nah...I'd totally reccomend 9.04
20100210 06:44:07< Euthanatos> it's the only 'stable' version and not very well at that
20100210 06:44:18< Euthanatos> only reason i would reccomend it is for up to date packages in the repository
20100210 06:44:28< rocket16> Hey Zarel and Euthanatos, you may prefer other distros, but you should not insult Ubuntu
20100210 06:44:31< Euthanatos> if you can at least compile then i would rather go for 8.10
20100210 06:44:35< sevis> Euthanatos, 9.04 is horrible with KDE, in my experience.
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20100210 06:44:50< Euthanatos> sevis, tha't not /04..that's KDE
20100210 06:44:51< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 06:44:57< rocket16> See, within a few years, Ubuntu will be the only Linux, while others will fall
20100210 06:45:00< Euthanatos> KDE sucks ballz....IMHO<<<
20100210 06:45:01< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 06:45:02< Zarel> 8.10 is more stable, iirc.
20100210 06:45:13< Euthanatos> 8.10 was probably the pinnacle of Ubuntu
20100210 06:45:17< sevis> True - but they managed to mess it up even further.
20100210 06:45:24< Euthanatos> ]they should go back to that and update it's repository
20100210 06:45:25< Zarel> Nah, Ubuntu has historically poor KDE support; I think I've mentioned that before.
20100210 06:45:31< sevis> Mostly in the way mixing pulseaudio and alsa.
20100210 06:45:40< Euthanatos> PA LMFAO
20100210 06:45:40< rocket16> Ubuntu is built for GNOME, not KDE
20100210 06:45:46< Euthanatos> Yeah well
20100210 06:45:59< Euthanatos> XFCE FTW suck it *****s
20100210 06:45:59< sevis> Yep. PA.
20100210 06:46:11< sevis> Probably the main reason I moved away from it.
20100210 06:46:13< Euthanatos> Slackware in XFCE is the shit
20100210 06:46:36< sevis> Gentoo with openbox for me ;P
20100210 06:47:07< Euthanatos> Only real thing I have against Ubuntu in general....is that it's majorly heavy
20100210 06:47:13< rocket16> Depends what you mean by 'better'. Ubuntu is arguably easier to use and manage than Slackware, and uses slightly more up-to-date packages
20100210 06:47:17< Euthanatos> Gnome is a hulking brute
20100210 06:47:32< Euthanatos> and adding fucktons of python scripts to is just asking for trouble
20100210 06:47:59< Euthanatos> rocket16, Ubuntu is so out of date it's jus tno funny
20100210 06:48:06< rocket16> Ubuntu is not better or worse, it's different. It's designed to be easy to use, to update, etc.
20100210 06:48:06< rocket16> I would suggest you to try it and decide..
20100210 06:48:08< Euthanatos> all slackbuilds are stable
20100210 06:48:24< Euthanatos> If you can't compile....don't even touch slackware
20100210 06:48:33< Euthanatos> If you can't compile...Ubuntu is for you =)
20100210 06:48:35< rocket16> Ubuntu uses stable versions. In India, people hate Sackware and Redhat
20100210 06:48:48 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100210 06:48:50< rocket16> Slackware is the reinvention of wheel
20100210 06:49:01< sevis> Saying something isn't better/worse, but 'different' is leading an argument to a dead end.
20100210 06:49:06< rocket16> Want a good distro? Stick to Gentoo, if you want to Compile
20100210 06:49:07< Euthanatos> Please, Slackware is as traditional as it gets
20100210 06:49:24< rocket16> For control, Gentoo is the best. For usability, Ubuntu is the best
20100210 06:49:30< Euthanatos> At least I don't have to download everything I already have if i want to compile something
20100210 06:49:47< Euthanatos> Ubuntu is like windoze
20100210 06:49:54< Euthanatos> It is NOT user friendy
20100210 06:49:57< Euthanatos> firendly*
20100210 06:49:58< rocket16> Ha ha, you don't even know of the way Uuntu manages Packages,
20100210 06:50:00< Euthanatos> It's idiot friendly
20100210 06:50:16< Euthanatos> Dude I started on linux with Ubuntu
20100210 06:50:28< Euthanatos> It's great for what it is...easing people into linux
20100210 06:50:33< Espreon> I started with Puppy...
20100210 06:50:54< Euthanatos> If you have a great system and/or are new to linux....Ubuntu is for you
20100210 06:51:09< Zarel> For usability, Ubuntu is the "best" as long as you don't mind stability issues. :|
20100210 06:51:09< rocket16> Ubuntu keeps the packages (deb, if you cant compile) in /var/cache/apt/archives. Copy them to CD, or Flash-Drive, and use "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" and you're done
20100210 06:51:15< Euthanatos> If you have or are anything else...there is definately a better distro for your needs
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20100210 06:51:20< rocket16> Ubuntu is more suitable for a "readymade" desktop system.
20100210 06:51:43< Euthanatos> Yeah dude...I know what debian is
20100210 06:51:45< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 06:51:55< Euthanatos> I have several knoppix remasteries
20100210 06:52:01< rocket16> Ubuntu>Debian
20100210 06:52:09 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100210 06:52:11< Euthanatos> Ubuntu IS debian
20100210 06:52:12< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 06:52:28< rocket16> Remember that Ubuntu vs Slackware isn't Applesand Oranges, but maybe Gala Apples and Golden Delicious Apples. They're the same system, for the most part, with different installers, and base software installs.
20100210 06:52:42< rocket16> Ubuntu is built on Debian, not Debian itself
20100210 06:52:57< Euthanatos> Slackware is about as different from Ubuntu as Ubuntu is from windoze
20100210 06:53:01< rocket16> Like Mint is newer and built on Ubuntu
20100210 06:53:20< rocket16> Difference does not mean better usability
20100210 06:53:34< Euthanatos> Dude....are you REALLY trying to get semantic about analogies??
20100210 06:53:39< Euthanatos> lmfao
20100210 06:53:47< Euthanatos> no it doesn't
20100210 06:54:11< Euthanatos> Slackware is about stability, simplicity, preformance and organization
20100210 06:54:37< rocket16> For one thing, the ubuntu desktop comes with X and GNOME installed. I believe when you install slackware you just get a terminal. Slackware's package handling is via tar balls, whereas ubuntu uses debs via the Synaptic Package Manager. Ubuntu will resolve dependencies for you, whereas slackware will not, so you are required to deal with the dependency resolution yourself
20100210 06:54:38< Euthanatos> Ubuntu is about UI, Idiot friendliness and ease of package management
20100210 06:54:51< rocket16> Huh, slackware is reinventing wheel
20100210 06:55:26< Euthanatos> Dude...don't even talk about slackware..you don't know jack
20100210 06:55:36< rocket16> MAking simple things complex. So, world has denounced Slackware
20100210 06:55:37< rocket16> In 2008-2009, 40-50% of Linux users have used Ubuntu
20100210 06:55:47< rocket16> Ubuntu has greater support, but Slackware? Lol.
20100210 06:56:01< Euthanatos> KDE is standard X WDM in Slackware
20100210 06:56:06< Euthanatos> but it's entirely optional
20100210 06:56:19< rocket16> Who is this "jack"? A rented hitman of Slackware perhaps.
20100210 06:56:26< rocket16> To kill Ubuntu users.
20100210 06:56:37< Euthanatos> just don't install KDE and Qt and you can have a GTK+ only slackware system easy
20100210 06:56:42< rocket16> Ubuntu is easy, Slackware is hard.
20100210 06:56:42< rocket16> Ubuntu is automatic, Slackware is manual.
20100210 06:56:42< rocket16> Ubuntu is up-to-date, Slackware is stable.
20100210 06:56:42< rocket16> Ubuntu is graphically-oriented, Slackware is text-oriented.
20100210 06:57:03< Euthanatos> All but the last I would totally agree with
20100210 06:57:21< Euthanatos> Slackware is totally geared to handle GUi
20100210 06:57:22< rocket16> Slackware comes with a number of window managers, KDE is most popular. By default Slackware boots to a CLI (not a gui). Log in and type "startx".
20100210 06:57:49< rocket16> Really? Then switch to UNIX, or DOS, for they have more CUI than Slackware
20100210 06:57:50< sevis> Booting to CLI unless specified to do otherwise is a GOOD thing.
20100210 06:57:56< Euthanatos> Yes but it HAS a gui log in and you can set it to log in and startz automatically
20100210 06:57:58< Euthanatos> it's easy
20100210 06:58:02< Euthanatos> if you know shit about linux
20100210 06:58:10< Euthanatos> if you don't know shit about linux..slackware is not for you
20100210 06:58:45< Euthanatos> Is this guy and ubuntard troll? or just a troll?
20100210 06:58:51< Euthanatos> I can't tell
20100210 06:58:52< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 06:58:55< rocket16> Slackware is for those, who like to make simple things harder
20100210 06:59:14< Euthanatos> LOL difficulty is a matter of experience
20100210 06:59:25< Euthanatos> for those who have it....slackware is about making simple things SIMPLER
20100210 06:59:37< rocket16> One should switch to Slackware rather than Ubuntu, before getting depressed and delivered to Asylum
20100210 07:00:05< Euthanatos> Wow...OS wars andf no one has mentioned Windoze
20100210 07:00:17< Euthanatos> It is really starting to feel like the next decade!!!
20100210 07:00:35< Euthanatos> <3 u rocket16 
20100210 07:00:42 * Euthanatos needs a smoke GG
20100210 07:01:02< rocket16> Windows is out of the scene now. Both Ubuntu and Slackware are much better than Windows. Agree?
20100210 07:01:08< Euthanatos> totally
20100210 07:01:10< Euthanatos> =D
20100210 07:01:23< rocket16> Thanks
20100210 07:02:40< rocket16> See, we should not quarrel about Linux distros, but should focus in erasing Windows (also named Win-Blows, for Telephone EXchanges using Wndows servers will crach, getting blows from Customers, that is winning blows as prize for using Windows)
20100210 07:03:52< rocket16> So, is your real name Chunk, Euthanatos?
20100210 07:04:06< Euthanatos> no that's just some random shit i put in real name =)
20100210 07:04:21< rocket16> Good, :)
20100210 07:04:28< Euthanatos> WIndoze is good for some things
20100210 07:04:41< Euthanatos> it's good for apps that have been geared for windoze
20100210 07:04:44< rocket16> Like Gaming
20100210 07:04:53< Euthanatos> these thing exist now
20100210 07:04:54< rocket16> And, getting infected!
20100210 07:04:59< Euthanatos> but we are at a crucible
20100210 07:05:07< Euthanatos> where windoze itself is becoming outdated
20100210 07:05:14< Euthanatos> And as much as a diss Ubuntu
20100210 07:05:22< Euthanatos> I'll never forget my roots.....in ubuntu
20100210 07:05:30< Euthanatos> or what Ubuntu is...and what it stands for
20100210 07:05:33< rocket16> My friend using Ubuntu Ultimate gave me a .BAT Virus creator, and told me to infect Windows, lol
20100210 07:05:41< Euthanatos> And that is....an idiot friendly version of linux
20100210 07:06:09< rocket16> Slackware is like using Typewriters than Computers
20100210 07:06:29< Euthanatos> Nah man,...i'm not dissing ubuntu by say it is 'idiot friendly'
20100210 07:06:39< Euthanatos> It's what is creating this wave
20100210 07:06:49< Euthanatos> of forcing corps to adapt their software to linux
20100210 07:06:54< rocket16> There seems to be very few packages in it's repositories; instead you download and install software by getting and compiling the source code.
20100210 07:06:57< Euthanatos> becuase it's spreading linux usage into the masses
20100210 07:07:05< rocket16> Ubuntu uses it's own repositories with over 26,000 packages available.
20100210 07:07:14< Euthanatos> Face it.  The masses are idiots and NEED an idiot friendly UI
20100210 07:07:36< Euthanatos> That and...the massive database of linux fixes that exist for ubuntu
20100210 07:08:01< Euthanatos> I've found countless fixes and workarounds for many of the apps i use in Ubuntu forums
20100210 07:08:06< Euthanatos> Like wolfenstein
20100210 07:08:22< rocket16> Slackwire has lesser support. It is really outdated
20100210 07:08:36< Euthanatos> Slackware isn't outdated.  It's decidedly stable
20100210 07:08:49< Euthanatos> It only uses and incorperates stabhility into it's repository
20100210 07:08:56< rocket16> Masses have other work to do, than spending hours in Compiling Slackware
20100210 07:08:58< Euthanatos> anything develomental you should compile by hand
20100210 07:09:11< Euthanatos> or get a .tgz
20100210 07:09:35< rocket16> Ubuntu can do all, including installtion of .tgz, .deb and .rpm
20100210 07:09:56< Euthanatos> .tgz goes in a shitton easier than .debs btw
20100210 07:10:15< rocket16> That can be done in Ubuntu too,
20100210 07:10:33< Euthanatos> no, adapting rpms and tgzs is a pitfa
20100210 07:10:40< rocket16> So, Ubuntu has many ways of installing software, while Slackware has a few
20100210 07:10:40< Euthanatos> been there done that don't even try lol
20100210 07:11:02< Euthanatos> Slackware's methods are optimized
20100210 07:11:18< rocket16> Huh, I use Wesnoth 1.7.5 and installed it from .tgz, it is really fast, stable and nice
20100210 07:11:21< Euthanatos> Ubuntu is proliferate but bulky and extensive
20100210 07:11:27< rocket16> Slackware's Methods are old
20100210 07:11:41< Euthanatos> How is 'compiling' old?
20100210 07:11:46< Euthanatos> traditional maybe
20100210 07:11:52< Euthanatos> but not old by a long shot
20100210 07:12:11< rocket16> Not compiling, installing
20100210 07:12:31< Euthanatos> yes but compiling in linux is pretty standard
20100210 07:12:34< Euthanatos> ubuntu denies that
20100210 07:12:38< rocket16> Suppose you have 100 PAckages to install, from a directory. How will you do it in Slackware in a Single command?
20100210 07:12:40< Euthanatos> or tries to anyway
20100210 07:13:05< Euthanatos> Assuming they're all in slackbuilds?
20100210 07:13:11< rocket16> Ubuntu has Expert/Beginner and kernel 2.4/2.6 choices.
20100210 07:13:15< Euthanatos> it's easy with sbopkg
20100210 07:13:41< Euthanatos> Well...the truth is.....there is ONE thing that totally sold me on slackware
20100210 07:13:45< rocket16> Ha ha, Slackware has Average speed. Default system installs in about 15 minutes.
20100210 07:13:54< sevis> Ubuntu supports running a 2.4 kernel? O_o
20100210 07:14:03< Euthanatos> in Ubntu....AI crunches in Wesnoth took 5-10 minutes in campagins and survivals
20100210 07:14:04< rocket16> But in Uuntu System, The Live-CD installation is pretty fast. The installer only asks a few questions and then copies the entire Live-CD image to the disk, configuring the hardware and the boot menu.
20100210 07:14:13< Euthanatos> in slackware..they take 5-10 seconds
20100210 07:14:25< rocket16> lies, Ubuntu can do it in 2 seconds
20100210 07:14:25< Euthanatos> on this same (rather old,. granted) system
20100210 07:14:36< rocket16> Ubuntu 9.10 is the best
20100210 07:14:41< Euthanatos> Nope, 5-10 minutes for a wesnoth AI crunch
20100210 07:14:50< Euthanatos> in Ubuntu
20100210 07:15:09< rocket16> Impossible, I tried that many times, only a maximum of 5 seconds,
20100210 07:15:10< Euthanatos> In a campaign or survival like ANl or Orocia
20100210 07:15:22< Euthanatos> yeah wellyou have a very nice computer =)
20100210 07:15:25< rocket16> Slackwarehas even, No graphical tools. One of course can use wizards from environments like: KDE, GNOME, XFCE.
20100210 07:15:30< milwac> what is an AI crunch anyway?
20100210 07:15:50< Euthanatos> milwac, i'm refering to the time it takes the computer to calculate AI moves
20100210 07:16:05< Euthanatos> 'crunch' like 'crunch numbers'
20100210 07:16:11< rocket16> And, the moves to be taken.
20100210 07:16:18< milwac> hmm.. well then 5-10 minutes is an overstatement
20100210 07:16:27< rocket16> I have only 512 MB RAM installed,
20100210 07:16:30< sevis> rocket16, what other tools has Ubuntu got, then? I can think of the USB boot-disk creator and the install wizard, but that's it.
20100210 07:16:36< Euthanatos> gnome is not officially supported in slackware
20100210 07:16:41< milwac> I play on Ubuntu 9.10 and believe me AI moves are quick
20100210 07:16:51< rocket16> Ubuntu has Ulc, UCJK, AptonCD, Remastersys
20100210 07:16:57< Euthanatos> KDE hasw LOTS of 'wizards' and for a GUI lover KDe is the way to go in slackwarte
20100210 07:17:00< sevis> And those are not part of Gnome?
20100210 07:17:03< rocket16> Yes, milwac. Ubuntu 9.10 is the best
20100210 07:17:14< Euthanatos> but I am BY NO MEANS a linux guru and I do without any KDE wizards
20100210 07:17:37< Euthanatos> I prefer them actually to bulky python scripts
20100210 07:17:42< rocket16> Sevis, not directly, but they can be installed in 1 minute from "sudo apt-get install" commands
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20100210 07:18:04< rocket16> Slackware has Small number of official (vanilla) packages. In most cases, manual compilation of many packages will be needed. Sometimes there is an alternative being unofficial Slackware packages downloadable from project's pages or LinuxPackages and Slacky.it.
20100210 07:18:24< sevis> Or with ./configure and make.
20100210 07:18:32< rocket16> Slackware = Slackware's package management system is based on the simple tgz packages which do not contain any information about dependencies.
20100210 07:18:38< rocket16> And make install
20100210 07:18:51< rocket16> But before, may try ./autogen.sh
20100210 07:18:55< Euthanatos> Dependancy information IS included
20100210 07:19:04< rocket16> Ubuntu has vast language support, than Slackware
20100210 07:19:14< Euthanatos> Everything you ever add to a system regardless of distro has dependancy information
20100210 07:19:15< Euthanatos> HEllo?
20100210 07:19:16< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 07:19:19< rocket16> But not vividly.
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20100210 07:19:39< Euthanatos> no...it's VIVIDLY apparent the dependancies for any package
20100210 07:19:41< rocket16> Slackware - No official graphical package management tool. 
20100210 07:19:47< Euthanatos> if you read the...omg...README
20100210 07:19:55< Euthanatos> graphical
20100210 07:19:55< rocket16> Ubuntu = Synaptic - a graphical frontend to APT - a software installation and update tool, very useful if someone likes to click rather than type. Also, an "Add/Remove applications" program is delivered, which is much simpler and more straightforward than Synaptic, but allows to install only the most typical desktop applications. Clicking on DEB package invokes a GNOME installation tool which resembles InstallShield known from MS Windows.
20100210 07:19:57< Euthanatos> LOL
20100210 07:20:12< Euthanatos> SBOPKG is more than sufficient
20100210 07:20:25< rocket16> Ubuntu = Thoughtful selection of services and default configuration make Ubuntu boot usually a bit faster than Debian. It's getting better with each release, but there is still some room for improvement.
20100210 07:20:27< Euthanatos> Synaptic=APT
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20100210 07:20:31< Euthanatos> APT=OUTDATED
20100210 07:20:39< Euthanatos> aptitude is where it's at
20100210 07:20:49< Euthanatos> ubuntu can't even get their package management system straight
20100210 07:20:58< rocket16> Ubuntu got extremely popular during the last couple of years and currently occupies the first place in the DistroWatch rank. The creators claim that it has over 8 million users worldwide.
20100210 07:21:06< rocket16> Slackware is popular among experienced users. It is usually located at the end of the Top 10 in the DistroWatch ranking.
20100210 07:21:12< sevis> Euthanatos, is it standart for Slack to configure your own kernel?
20100210 07:21:14< Euthanatos> now,...i'll give that they've done a GRWEAT job of making apt & aptitude compatible
20100210 07:21:27< Euthanatos> sevis, no
20100210 07:21:34< rocket16> Slackware is the oldest, and it is the time to replace it with newer Ubuntu
20100210 07:21:35< sevis> Hm, okay.
20100210 07:21:36< Euthanatos> Slackware kernel is precompiled
20100210 07:21:50< rocket16> Ubuntu installer is translated into 40 languages which makes it one of the leaders in this area. Internationalization is one of the Ubuntu project priorities.
20100210 07:22:01< rocket16> In Slackware, Installer is English only.
20100210 07:22:06< Euthanatos> Hey I won't deny that Ubuntu is very popular
20100210 07:22:11< Euthanatos> like I said..it's idiot friendly
20100210 07:22:20< rocket16> In untu the installed system is localized. The only problems may occur with QT-based applications. QtConfig app can fix this problem when installed
20100210 07:22:21< Euthanatos> false
20100210 07:22:25< Euthanatos> we have language support
20100210 07:22:31< rocket16> In Slackware, Default system is in English. One needs to localize manually in order to get a native language and encoding support.
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20100210 07:22:52< Euthanatos> nope
20100210 07:22:56< rocket16> Yes, but in Slackware, Localization, although very standardized, may be tricky for a newbie user (configuration files need to be edited manually).
20100210 07:23:03< Euthanatos> installer can be localized during inital setup
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20100210 07:23:21< rocket16> Huh, and what about eagle-usb?
20100210 07:23:22< Euthanatos> Hey i'm not arguing that slackweare is for newbies..it's not
20100210 07:23:40< rocket16> In Ubuntu, System automatically detects the common supported wireless cards and looks for the wireless connections using NetworkManager (adequate icon appears on the desktop appears if WiFi is available). Of course, standard Debian tools for dealing with wireless cards are also available, so is Ndiswrapper for Windows-only cards.
20100210 07:23:53< Euthanatos> as i said before...I will without qualms direct all newbies to ubuntu
20100210 07:24:33< rocket16> And as I said, Slackware is for Old people, like it is old itself.
20100210 07:24:49< rocket16> REPLACE SLACKWARE WITH UBUNTU, YOUTH TRIUMPHS OVER OLD
20100210 07:25:05< rocket16> Slackware is past, Ubuntu is present
20100210 07:25:11< rocket16> Ad Ubuntu is the future
20100210 07:25:18< Euthanatos> Great
20100210 07:25:21< Euthanatos> Thing is...
20100210 07:25:25< Euthanatos> you can't fight free
20100210 07:25:27< Euthanatos> =D
20100210 07:25:51< Euthanatos> Slackware is free like all linux distros.  It has support and developers.
20100210 07:25:56< sevis> rocket16, what does a user who speaks native English, knows a good bit about Linux and has plenty of time on his hands get from using Ubuntu?
20100210 07:26:07< Euthanatos> It is based on a philosophy and it is updated based on that philosophy.
20100210 07:26:15< Euthanatos> And it IS updated.
20100210 07:26:30< Euthanatos> sevis, treated like an idiot =D
20100210 07:26:33< rocket16> Ubuntu is free too, and it can even deliver you your free CD without charges, does Slackware do that?
20100210 07:26:34< Euthanatos> ROFL
20100210 07:26:51< Euthanatos> Ubuntu cannot deliver yuou a free CD
20100210 07:26:57< sevis> Yeah, they can...
20100210 07:26:58< Euthanatos> Canonical can
20100210 07:27:02< sevis> Oh, true.
20100210 07:27:05< Euthanatos> but Ubuntu itself cannot
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20100210 07:27:19< sevis> And if I remember correctly, it'll take 8-10 weeks
20100210 07:27:19< Euthanatos> You're tlaking about a huge user base and suport team
20100210 07:27:20< rocket16> Wrong, Canonical is the economical front end of Ubuntu
20100210 07:27:38< Euthanatos> You mean 'Corporate' front-end
20100210 07:27:43< Euthanatos> but yes
20100210 07:27:43< sevis> economical front end? Is it also graphical, or did they leave at least that part CLI?
20100210 07:28:07< rocket16> Right, Slackware has     * No Dependency Checking
20100210 07:28:07< rocket16>     * No GUI Installer
20100210 07:28:07< rocket16>     * Not very user friendly
20100210 07:28:07< rocket16>     * Not very colorful
20100210 07:28:07< rocket16>     * Lots of work to setup
20100210 07:28:08< rocket16>     * Lack of Packages
20100210 07:28:11< Euthanatos> and they are the ones that distribute the 'free CD's' in, as sevis noted.....8-10 weeks
20100210 07:28:19< Euthanatos> hur
20100210 07:28:25< rocket16> Ubuntu has     * Great Support
20100210 07:28:26< rocket16>     * Looks Good
20100210 07:28:26< rocket16>     * Gnome (I like gnome better)
20100210 07:28:26< rocket16>     * Stable
20100210 07:28:28< Euthanatos> ./configure checks for dependancies
20100210 07:28:29< Euthanatos> hur
20100210 07:28:31< Euthanatos> LOL
20100210 07:28:44< Euthanatos> Slackware is user-friendly
20100210 07:28:51< Euthanatos> It's NOT idiot friendly
20100210 07:29:08< Euthanatos> Also....'colorful' is a description of X and XWM
20100210 07:29:10< sevis> rocket16, You've been jumping between claiming Ubuntu is up-to-date and that it is stable. Go ahead and choose one, please.
20100210 07:29:11< rocket16> Slackware is caveman friendly
20100210 07:29:14< Euthanatos> totally user customizable
20100210 07:29:41< rocket16> And spend whole time in customizing Slackware?
20100210 07:29:55< rocket16> In Ubuntu, it is readily usable, once you install it. 
20100210 07:30:11< rocket16> I play Chess, do works, listen to songs in Ubuntu while Installing
20100210 07:30:21< rocket16> I can do it, in Gaphical Live mode
20100210 07:30:39< Euthanatos> If I want usability in LiveCD mode
20100210 07:30:46< Euthanatos> Knoppix>Ubuntu any day
20100210 07:31:03< sevis> Shock, horror, I can do that even without graphical live mode.
20100210 07:31:08< sevis> Except the chess, not really intterested.
20100210 07:31:13< rocket16> But in support and ease. Knoppix is no match for UBUNTU
20100210 07:31:48< Euthanatos> If you are using LiveCD mode to accomplish meaningful tasks then Knoppix is what you want
20100210 07:32:03< Euthanatos> if you need to dig around for support for a couple of weeks you may as well install slackware
20100210 07:32:12< Euthanatos> LOL
20100210 07:32:24< Euthanatos> He's trying to make linux distro black and white
20100210 07:32:24< rocket16> MAny people don't have time for that
20100210 07:32:30< Euthanatos> exactly
20100210 07:32:40< Euthanatos> which is what makes knoppix>ubuntu in such a situation
20100210 07:32:50< Euthanatos> knoppix is optimized to run from a liveCD
20100210 07:32:51< rocket16> No. For live mode, Puppy>Knoppix
20100210 07:32:53< Euthanatos> ubuntu is not
20100210 07:33:01< Euthanatos> Depends
20100210 07:33:02< rocket16> DSL>Knoppix
20100210 07:33:17< rocket16> Uuntu is full, not live-only like Knoppix
20100210 07:33:23< Euthanatos> puppy and DSL don't have the wide range of loaded application that knoppix does
20100210 07:33:33< Euthanatos> ~.^
20100210 07:33:39< Euthanatos> this kid a fucking troll
20100210 07:33:47< Euthanatos> i'm done
20100210 07:33:50< rocket16> What? Me?
20100210 07:33:58< Euthanatos> <rocket16> Uuntu is full, not live-only like Knoppix
20100210 07:34:02< Euthanatos> DUH DUMBASS
20100210 07:34:12< Euthanatos> that's the fucking point of knoppix
20100210 07:34:17< Euthanatos> hello?
20100210 07:34:19< Euthanatos> ROFL
20100210 07:34:21< Euthanatos> GTFO
20100210 07:34:24< Euthanatos> WIN
20100210 07:34:26< rocket16> What?
20100210 07:34:44< Euthanatos> nothing...I'm just giving you shit for being an idiot
20100210 07:34:55< Euthanatos> Ubuntu is by far the best distro
20100210 07:34:59< Euthanatos> ...for you
20100210 07:35:14< rocket16> And, Slackware is old ones, the primitive people like you
20100210 07:35:27< Euthanatos> old
20100210 07:35:28< Euthanatos> man
20100210 07:35:34< Euthanatos> i'm only 26
20100210 07:35:56< rocket16> the security-policy of Knoppix-HD-installed is supposed not te be well established.
20100210 07:36:01< Euthanatos> maybe western medicine ISN'T all it's hyped up to be but still...I doubt I deserve to be called 'iold' 
20100210 07:36:03< rocket16> I mean Primitive minded
20100210 07:36:04< Zarel> rofl
20100210 07:36:05< Euthanatos> unles you're like...13
20100210 07:36:15< rocket16> I am only 14,
20100210 07:36:16< Zarel> I have classmates older than you.
20100210 07:36:27< Euthanatos> okay
20100210 07:36:31< Euthanatos> that explains A LOT
20100210 07:36:47< Euthanatos> say... rocket16 how long have you been using linux in general...and ubuntu?
20100210 07:36:59< rocket16> I started with Redhat at the age of 7
20100210 07:37:16< rocket16> Ad have been using Using Ubuntu from 2007
20100210 07:37:27< sevis> Which other distros have you tried?
20100210 07:38:08< Euthanatos> I'll give him that..for knowing ANYTHING about slackware...at age 14....and having the conversation he has had here
20100210 07:38:11< Euthanatos> I'm impressed
20100210 07:38:14< rocket16> Redhat, Fedora, Slackware, Mint, Debian (for a few hours), MAndrake, Puppy, DSL, TCL, CENTOS
20100210 07:38:14< Euthanatos> I'm very impressed.
20100210 07:38:24< rocket16> Me too,
20100210 07:38:54< rocket16> I am really impressed at your knowledge about Linux, including Ubuntu and Slackware
20100210 07:39:26< Euthanatos> I started Ubuntu end of '05
20100210 07:39:31< rocket16> It does not matter whether Slackware>Ubuntu or Ubuntu>Slackware, but you are really a superb person, in Lnux
20100210 07:39:58< Euthanatos> Had been a total windoze junkie prior to that
20100210 07:40:06< Euthanatos> not a windoze lover by ANY means
20100210 07:40:17< Euthanatos> just never had my own system to play with linux on prior to that
20100210 07:40:20< rocket16> May be, I too use Windows, but only for gaming.
20100210 07:40:31< Euthanatos> but for years I'd been swearing I'd get linux
20100210 07:40:41< Euthanatos> I don't even use windoze for gaming
20100210 07:40:45< Euthanatos> although
20100210 07:41:05< rocket16> So, Euthanatos, which is your Favourite Programming Language?
20100210 07:41:07< Euthanatos> I *MIGHT* priate XP to run SBEmu depedning on how wine handles it
20100210 07:41:14< Euthanatos> I'm not a programmer
20100210 07:41:16< Euthanatos> just a user
20100210 07:41:22< sevis> Yes! :D xz-utils is finally building :D
20100210 07:41:30< rocket16> I am a programmer of Java, Python and VB
20100210 07:41:43< rocket16> I mainly develop small games using VB
20100210 07:41:48< rocket16> In exe format
20100210 07:41:52< Euthanatos> what kind of games?
20100210 07:42:12< Euthanatos> You ever play Haven & Hearth?
20100210 07:42:21< rocket16> I have even created my own Customized version of Ubuntu (Ubuntu Indian-Student's Edition)
20100210 07:42:25< rocket16> No, not yet
20100210 07:42:40< rocket16> S, Euthanatos, do you have wine installed?
20100210 07:42:55< rocket16> And, do you have any Artificial Itelligence?
20100210 07:43:22< Euthanatos> I have wine compiled and installed
20100210 07:43:27< Euthanatos> haven't usedit in a while
20100210 07:43:31< rocket16> Nice,
20100210 07:43:33< Euthanatos> only use it for vent and SBEmu
20100210 07:43:52< Euthanatos> and SBEmu won't be live until july or june
20100210 07:44:00< Euthanatos> techincally it was promised ot be live already
20100210 07:44:17< rocket16> If you permit, I can send you a copy of my A.I (developed using C++/Java), from ALICE Code, It is only 500 KB in zip. 
20100210 07:44:18< Euthanatos> but it's one of those 'it's done when it's done' user driven development emulation projects so
20100210 07:44:29< Euthanatos> what kind of AI?
20100210 07:44:30< rocket16> Its name is Claire, and it runs well on Wine
20100210 07:44:34< Euthanatos> i mean....for what?
20100210 07:44:46< rocket16> An Offlice Intelligent Chatbot, like your Personal Secretary
20100210 07:44:59< Euthanatos> no
20100210 07:45:00< rocket16> I can learn things from you,
20100210 07:45:06< Euthanatos> I don't need anything like that
20100210 07:45:16< rocket16> Okay, depends lon your wish.
20100210 07:45:26< rocket16> Sevis, did you try that by the way?
20100210 07:45:37< Euthanatos> If you check out Haven & Hearth and decide you like it let me know
20100210 07:45:38< rocket16> Sky told me that it was working fine
20100210 07:45:42< Euthanatos> I'll get you into my village
20100210 07:45:49< sevis> Nope, just woke up... TWO HOURS AGO?! O_O Erm. But, anyway, not been near a Windows machine.
20100210 07:45:51< rocket16> Okay,
20100210 07:45:53< Euthanatos> It's the most intensely political MMO anywhere
20100210 07:46:10< rocket16> Sevis, try that using Wine, it will work fine
20100210 07:46:16< Euthanatos> and we could definately use someone with Java porgramming knowledge to disable the :afk timer for us =P
20100210 07:46:17< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 07:46:30< rocket16> Euchanatos, Idon't play MMOs, and don't like them
20100210 07:46:43< Euthanatos> why not?
20100210 07:46:46< sevis> My system is currently half-disabled, and I'd rather not get wine.
20100210 07:46:53< rocket16> They are wastage of time,
20100210 07:46:53< Euthanatos> (not that that's a bad thing..MMO's are evil)
20100210 07:47:04< Euthanatos> so are any game
20100210 07:47:21< rocket16> Not everything, TuxMAth is nice
20100210 07:47:24< sevis> Not any.
20100210 07:47:27< rocket16> It helps you to learn maths
20100210 07:47:43< Euthanatos> and H&H helps you learn politics and real value
20100210 07:47:45< rocket16> TuxTyping, Atomix, etc are cool
20100210 07:47:58< Euthanatos> it's the only MMO in existance without an established form of currency
20100210 07:48:07< rocket16> If you want Politics, use Age of Mythology
20100210 07:48:17< Euthanatos> brb psb
20100210 07:48:18< sevis> No... If you want politics, use an MMO.
20100210 07:48:23< rocket16> And, I am primarily interested in Physics and Chemistry, not in Politics
20100210 07:48:49< rocket16> In Age of Mythology, you can create your own A.I to play with
20100210 07:49:14< sevis> So? Politics is something completely different.
20100210 07:49:24< rocket16> Yes, it leads to corruption
20100210 07:49:38< sevis> And in my experience, even the best AIs are far inferior at it than a human.
20100210 07:49:46< rocket16> Science is better than Politics
20100210 07:50:15< rocket16> Really? Ten why did Deep Blue defeat GAry Kasparov, KArpov and our Indian player Anand?
20100210 07:50:15< sevis> Science and politics have no reason to be compared, they serve different goals.
20100210 07:50:26< sevis> ...
20100210 07:50:43< rocket16> Yes, goal of Politics is evil control over all, while that of Science is spreadinmg knowledge
20100210 07:50:43< sevis> Because they were playing a game not based on politics.
20100210 07:51:02< rocket16> Chess is on tactics, like Politics
20100210 07:51:26< sevis> A is based on C, B is based on C, does not prove B is based on A.
20100210 07:51:28< rocket16> Both are tactical
20100210 07:51:47< rocket16> In Set Theory, it does not. 
20100210 07:51:59< rocket16> But In Matrix, A*B Not equal to B*a
20100210 07:52:08< rocket16> Sorry, "B*A"
20100210 07:52:33< rocket16> So, know an easy rule to find the square of any no. with 5 in its units place?
20100210 07:52:39< rocket16> I is very very simple one
20100210 07:52:48< rocket16> Sorry "It"
20100210 07:52:51< Euthanatos> rather idealist
20100210 07:52:52< sevis> How in the world are squuare numbers relevant? O_o
20100210 07:53:05< Euthanatos> but you cannot seperate science and politics
20100210 07:53:11< rocket16> They are important for many purposes
20100210 07:53:28< sevis> How are they relevant to this discussion?
20100210 07:53:28< Euthanatos> drugs are a perfect expample of such
20100210 07:53:49< rocket16> Politics is called Political Science, but it is not
20100210 07:54:00< rocket16> Drugs are the dark aspects of Science
20100210 07:54:08< Euthanatos> Science has proven marijuana to not be hermful to a person.  Yet politics has convinced enough peopel otherwise
20100210 07:54:29< Euthanatos> that it remains not only illegal....but acitvly persecuted by the government
20100210 07:55:04< sevis> Euthanatos, political figures interact with science, but the two are not the same type of thing, even if they can occasionally achieve similar goals.
20100210 07:55:23< Euthanatos> science has proven that legalization...of all drugs....in tangent with regulation and harm reduction strategies....results in less usage, less usage by under 18, increased recovery rates.
20100210 07:55:44< Euthanatos> I'm not saying they're the same thing
20100210 07:55:49< Euthanatos> they're like polar opposites
20100210 07:55:57< Euthanatos> North and south on a magnetic
20100210 07:55:57< rocket16> Same source, same target, but different paths, one dark and easy (Politics), and the other enlightened but hard (Science)
20100210 07:56:17< Euthanatos> THat's a bad way of looking at it rocket
20100210 07:56:18< rocket16> Could Politics have stopped Small Pox?
20100210 07:56:33< Euthanatos> Tha'ts a very bad way of looking at it
20100210 07:56:51< Euthanatos> Science alone could not stop small pox and neither could politicians
20100210 07:56:54< rocket16> A person like me, who want to be a Scientist, should keep away from Plitics
20100210 07:57:04< Euthanatos> for one without the other nothing can be achieved
20100210 07:57:08< Zarel> rocket16: ...erm, didn't you say you use Ubuntu?
20100210 07:57:08< Euthanatos> this would is a relative one
20100210 07:57:17< rocket16> Really? Then, was Edward Jenner a politician?
20100210 07:57:18< Zarel> How do you develop games using VB in exe format?
20100210 07:57:25< rocket16> ZArel, yes. why?
20100210 07:57:41< milwac> You cannot keep away for long.. politics is a community process, we are part of it, as long as we are living in a community
20100210 07:57:42< rocket16> Oh,  use Windows Vista on my desktop. There,  use VB
20100210 07:57:47< Euthanatos> Science does not exist without political or corporate (which is just another incarnation of politics) support
20100210 07:58:01< sevis> No. Until they try to intervene with the other, both are valid.
20100210 07:58:03< rocket16> And, I use GAmbus2 on Linux
20100210 07:58:33< rocket16> And, java and python too. C++ is nice, but less secure, and error-prone.
20100210 07:58:36< sevis> (that was a reply to Euthanatos' statement of them being polar opposites)
20100210 07:58:40< rocket16> To me, JAva is the best
20100210 07:58:43< sevis> Hm. perhaps valid is not the word...
20100210 07:58:49< Euthanatos> You cannot be a scientist if politics does not support you
20100210 07:59:13< sevis> They both have a task, and while they do not interfere with the task of the other, they are both good and horrible.
20100210 07:59:15< Euthanatos> sevis, probaly not appropriate to the statment you are trying to make but not untrue
20100210 07:59:26< rocket16> And if Science withdraws its help, Pyramidal construct of Politics will fall
20100210 07:59:29< Euthanatos> i would argue they do interfere with each other
20100210 07:59:42< sevis> They do - and that is both our blessing and our problem.
20100210 07:59:45< Euthanatos> Quite frequently science interferes with political agendas.  And visa versa
20100210 07:59:46< rocket16> See,all EVMs in India and the world are based on Science
20100210 07:59:57< milwac> yes, both are needed for a societal structure to survive and none can do without the other
20100210 08:00:03< Euthanatos> sevis, it's a relative existence
20100210 08:00:11< rocket16> A simple Java Virus to alter the results, and the results are for you to determine
20100210 08:00:17< Euthanatos> polarity is not a catagorization of black and white
20100210 08:00:26< Euthanatos> it's a nature of integration
20100210 08:00:31< Euthanatos> Up is not up without down
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20100210 08:00:39< sevis> For science to not interfere with politics, science would have to lock itself in and not advance technology - instead, simply gaining knowledge.
20100210 08:00:59< rocket16> Without Plitics, there could have been no war. Only leaders benefit from Politics
20100210 08:01:07< rocket16> Whereas we all benefit from Sience
20100210 08:01:15< Euthanatos> exactly and that knowledge would be absulte....pure....and as such.....irrelevant
20100210 08:01:21< Euthanatos> for absolution is irrelevance
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20100210 08:01:32< milwac> rocket, how do plan to structure the community without a political system
20100210 08:01:33< Euthanatos> That which is absolute...is irrelevant.
20100210 08:01:41< milwac> scientists also need institutions
20100210 08:01:41< sevis> For politics to not interefere with science, that which happens due to science would have to stay unknown, as it would be too horrendous for the public to bear.
20100210 08:02:00< rocket16> milwac, I wish to have an Open-Source system, like Linux, for the entire community
20100210 08:02:12< rocket16> But I don't support Cllectivism of Stalin
20100210 08:02:20< milwac> as regards science, it is a double edged sword
20100210 08:02:26 * Euthanatos is an anarchist
20100210 08:02:28< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 08:02:38< Euthanatos> philosophical anarchist...not political anarchist
20100210 08:02:43< rocket16> Yes, Science is like the Gangjiangg Sword of China
20100210 08:02:57< Euthanatos> I am...politically...a traditional republican.....small communities of self managing governemnts
20100210 08:03:00< sevis> Thus, science both ruins and requires politicss.
20100210 08:03:10< rocket16> What was the use of having world wars? Nothing,
20100210 08:03:13< Euthanatos> Militia repelling federal invasions
20100210 08:03:35< milwac> Even within an open source community, you have arguments and debates
20100210 08:03:38< rocket16> AS J.J Rousseau stated, Politics is the son of Greed and lust for power
20100210 08:03:46< milwac> over what is better and what should be popularized
20100210 08:03:54< Euthanatos> Fuck Obama.  Promising not to interfere with state's decisons on Marijuana...and then the DEA continues to raid dispensaries
20100210 08:03:56< rocket16> But, Science is the son of Curiosity
20100210 08:04:06< Euthanatos> but that is nothing new..politicians sayingone thing and doing another
20100210 08:04:08< rocket16> Obama is great!
20100210 08:04:29< Euthanatos> sure...if you don't give a shit that he lies through his teeth
20100210 08:04:35< rocket16> milwac, still, in Open Source, we are rulers ourshelves,
20100210 08:04:49< milwac> what is democracy then.. it is the same thing!
20100210 08:04:58< Euthanatos> If only we could make an open source alternative to politics
20100210 08:05:04 * Euthanatos dreams
20100210 08:05:06< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 08:05:07< rocket16> Imagine a complete world, unified, with a legal Judiciary, Legislative and EXecutive and only two parties
20100210 08:05:15< sevis> rocket16, open source gives only one political advantage above closed source.
20100210 08:05:16< milwac> just that enough smart people don't cast their votes, thinking that'll keep them away from politics
20100210 08:05:30< sevis> And, rocket16, such a world would be horrible.
20100210 08:05:39< rocket16> sevis, it won't be
20100210 08:05:40< Euthanatos> would be??? ROFL
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20100210 08:05:57< rocket16> One Government to rule over, and we're done
20100210 08:06:02< sevis> would be, is, mostly irrelevant.
20100210 08:06:07< milwac> yeah agreed.. we have enough diversity in the whole world to elect such a leader
20100210 08:06:13< Euthanatos> holy shit
20100210 08:06:20< Euthanatos> he's 14 and supports the NWO already LOL
20100210 08:06:26< Euthanatos> we're fucked
20100210 08:06:27< sevis> Managing everything on a global level would be horrid.
20100210 08:06:27< Euthanatos> lol
20100210 08:06:33< rocket16> In China, from 1958-1961, 30 million people died on famine, but not in India. India is poorer than China, but it is Democratic, like USA
20100210 08:06:35< milwac> again what made you think that such wholesome power would not corrupt?
20100210 08:06:44< rocket16> India and USA should therefore be allies
20100210 08:06:48< Euthanatos> I must disagree sevis We totally need global cooperation
20100210 08:06:49< sevis> True, we need some sort of global overwatch, but I feel that countries should be getting smaller, not bigger.
20100210 08:07:03< Euthanatos> but we must have it without global enforcement
20100210 08:07:07< Euthanatos> such is the paradox
20100210 08:07:14< milwac> In India, democracy is like the rule of fools
20100210 08:07:17< rocket16> milwac, a fair system of election is always against concentration of too much power one's hand
20100210 08:07:39< sevis> A fair system of election allows for mistakes just as easily as any other systme.
20100210 08:07:39< Euthanatos> sevis, population reduction is on it's way...no need to desire it
20100210 08:07:43< sevis> system*
20100210 08:07:46< milwac> It would have been better had there been just two parties in India as well
20100210 08:07:50< rocket16> milwac, so, are you saying that Communism is better than Democracy?
20100210 08:08:07< VurtualRuler98> You're still talking?
20100210 08:08:08< rocket16> milwac, I agree. Only two parties should be there
20100210 08:08:08< sevis> Euthanatos, I don't quite mean that. We need more, and more diverse governments.
20100210 08:08:11< rocket16> Yes,
20100210 08:08:28< rocket16> In India, Cngress is corrupt, and BJP is Good
20100210 08:08:33< milwac> In a place like India where even literate people would vote for parties favouring their own community.. i would think monarchy would be the way to go
20100210 08:08:36< sevis> That way, even if a single country entirely fails, the rest can learn from their mistakes, and it will not cause a global crisis.
20100210 08:08:49< rocket16> Congress kills Christians and Hindus, and supports ISlam
20100210 08:08:54< VurtualRuler98> I totally had this incredibly awesome idea.
20100210 08:09:05< VurtualRuler98> We should all band into major regions, like in Evil Genius.
20100210 08:09:12< Euthanatos> Support of any religion is absurd
20100210 08:09:13< VurtualRuler98> Then coordinate things based on these regions.
20100210 08:09:23< milwac> Congress is like the secular thought for Indians.. but they need a stern hand to get ahead..
20100210 08:09:25< rocket16> Yes, but in India, religeon does matter.
20100210 08:09:37< milwac> such slow progress is taking India nowhere
20100210 08:09:39< Euthanatos> but discrimination against any (or all) religion is equally absurd
20100210 08:09:45< Euthanatos> for atheism is but another belief
20100210 08:09:46< rocket16> milwac, Congress is not secular
20100210 08:09:52< Euthanatos> the truth is NOBODY FUCKING KNOWS.
20100210 08:09:57< rocket16> They want to get more support from ISlams
20100210 08:09:59< VurtualRuler98> So the USA and Canada work to produce a strong military force for good.
20100210 08:10:00< milwac> yeah they pretend to be
20100210 08:10:09< Euthanatos> and if they do know..THEY'LL NEVER FUCKING PROVE IT.
20100210 08:10:10< VurtualRuler98> Then the UN will have a force worth caring about.
20100210 08:10:12< rocket16> milwac, right
20100210 08:10:19< Euthanatos> because NOTHING IS ABSOLUTE
20100210 08:10:40< VurtualRuler98> We totally need a grand army of the republic to carry out stuff, I'll just use these here emergency powers.
20100210 08:10:43< rocket16> milwac, Congress here killed more than 100000 sikhs 
20100210 08:10:46< milwac> Well, we gain nothing from discussing political structures here.. 
20100210 08:10:56< Sacho> Elvish archers with dextrous == ugh
20100210 08:11:02< rocket16> For TWo Sikh terrorists killed Indira GAndhi
20100210 08:11:06< milwac> it's  difficult to imagine an ideal world, let alone make it a reality
20100210 08:11:13< Euthanatos> lol @ Sacho WHAT???!!!
20100210 08:11:14< rocket16> milwac, yes
20100210 08:11:18< Euthanatos> gtfo
20100210 08:11:22< milwac> Congress sucks.. India is doomed
20100210 08:11:23< rocket16> Bye all
20100210 08:11:27< Euthanatos> epz
20100210 08:11:38< sevis> Conclusion: We need jedis.
20100210 08:11:38< rocket16> Not yet, BJP shall recover, and kill Congress
20100210 08:11:42< rocket16> Be all!
20100210 08:11:46< Euthanatos> dex archers are the shit =)
20100210 08:11:48< milwac> Hope so!
20100210 08:11:48< rocket16> See you later all,
20100210 08:11:50< Euthanatos> esp w/ res
20100210 08:11:54< Sacho> and strong/dex elvish fighters are just crazy
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20100210 08:12:24< Euthanatos> all oyu people are in IRC
20100210 08:12:31< Euthanatos> but NO ONE IS ON THE DAMN SERVER
20100210 08:12:48< Sacho> well, I just finished a game and am going to work :P
20100210 08:12:57< sevis> I'll come online once I get my xorg up.
20100210 08:13:05< milwac> Oh yeah I'm in office right now.. where it'll be a bit odd if I hooked onto the server
20100210 08:13:30< milwac> anyways i'm quite new to wesnoth.. just like to observe MP games a lot
20100210 08:13:31< Euthanatos> anyone for Temple of the Nagas?
20100210 08:13:52< Euthanatos> or Orocia even =P
20100210 08:14:10< milwac> Anyone playing Undead against Rebels, please do let me know
20100210 08:14:36< milwac> 1v1
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20100210 10:42:24< Ivanovic> moin
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20100210 12:15:09< bpZero> hello, I get an error http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m3dc714e7
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20100210 12:15:36< bpZero> in the third mission of under the burning suns
20100210 12:16:07< bpZero> and the unit that picked up the holy water and is supposed to have arcane melee weapon, changes to melee-fire
20100210 12:19:09< zookeeper> right
20100210 12:20:12< bpZero> thats what is supposed to happen?
20100210 12:21:09< zookeeper> of course not. are you sure it isn't the second scenario?
20100210 12:21:30< zookeeper> "across the harsh sands" or "stirring in the night"?
20100210 12:21:40< zookeeper> there's no holy water in the latter that i can see..
20100210 12:21:50< bpZero> its the one where there are two undead teams fighting and your camp is in the middle, and you've got to keep 6 tents
20100210 12:22:06< bpZero> but the unit picked up the holy water in mission 2
20100210 12:22:07< zookeeper> oh, right, you get the holy water in the end of the second scenario
20100210 12:22:11< zookeeper> got it
20100210 12:24:26< zookeeper> well, i'll point silene to that, i'm sure he can fix it..
20100210 12:24:47< bpZero> ok
20100210 12:25:48< zookeeper> so...about the arcane/fire thing, was it garak who took the holy water?
20100210 12:26:26< bpZero> yes
20100210 12:27:04< zookeeper> ok, i guess it'd make sense to let him keep the arcane damage if he's gotten that already, since it'll be more effective overall
20100210 12:30:27< zookeeper> that part will be fixed in the next release now.
20100210 12:30:58< zookeeper> so when does that pastebinned error happen exactly?
20100210 12:32:12< bpZero> ... turn 2 as they say "they're raising our dead" or something like that
20100210 12:32:23< bpZero> when the first ghost gets to a tent
20100210 12:32:44< bpZero> there's a little scripted sequence there
20100210 12:35:10< zookeeper> right, i think i found the culprit...
20100210 12:37:32< zookeeper> do you know how to edit a scenario or savefile with a text editor?
20100210 12:38:07< bpZero> yes, probably
20100210 12:38:10< bpZero> what file?
20100210 12:38:35< zookeeper> give me a sec, first i'll check if my one-liner fix works at all :p
20100210 12:38:49< bpZero> ok
20100210 12:39:27< bpZero> 03_Stirring_in_the_Night.cfg ?
20100210 12:39:46< bpZero> spoilers.... # -- Character Garak is removed from campaign at this stage. # -- There is an orc raid in second half.
20100210 12:39:50< bpZero> thats not good :(
20100210 12:40:29< bpZero> i like garak
20100210 12:43:26< Appleman1234> that level is not the evil one in the campaign
20100210 12:43:31< Appleman1234> the evil one comes latter
20100210 12:43:41< bpZero> heh great.
20100210 12:44:13< zookeeper> ok, the fix is really easy
20100210 12:44:15< Appleman1234> where you start with -100 gold and have to fight 3 different forces with just 8 or so units ...
20100210 12:44:49< zookeeper> in 03_Stirring_in_the_Night.cfg, just search for the line with side=$unit.side and change that to side=$|unit.side
20100210 12:44:55< zookeeper> there's only one instance of that in the file
20100210 12:45:22< zookeeper> ...and then (re)start wesnoth and load from the beginning-of-scenario save
20100210 12:46:08< bpZero> alright 'ill try it... will garak keep his arcane?
20100210 12:46:38< Appleman1234> until he you lose him ....
20100210 12:47:09< Appleman1234> bpZero, the evil scenario I am talking about is out of the frying pan ...
20100210 12:47:18< zookeeper> no, but while you're at it you can find the line with set_type=fire and add a new line type=blade before or after it
20100210 12:48:23< bpZero> alright, thanks zookeeper
20100210 12:48:26< bpZero> i'll try it
20100210 12:49:37< zookeeper> or you can just remove that whole surrounding [effect] block, or change fire to arcane, or pretty much whatever which looks like it'd prevent his arcane melee from changing to fire.
20100210 12:54:49< bpZero> i see there is a scripted thing about his sword shining in the dark
20100210 12:54:55< bpZero> so thats when it changes
20100210 12:54:58< bpZero> huh
20100210 12:55:40< bpZero> it got passed that part without the error so, the fix is good
20100210 12:55:42< bpZero> ...is it possible to save all the tents? ;)
20100210 12:56:27< Appleman1234> bpZero, yes it is 
20100210 12:57:07< bpZero> without editing text files...
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20100210 13:00:06< bpZero> heh
20100210 13:00:10< bpZero> joke
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20100210 13:02:23< zookeeper> mostly everything is possible if you get lucky enough
20100210 13:02:43< zookeeper> probably it's reasonable possible to save all the tents on the easiest difficulty, maybe not on the harder ones
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20100210 13:41:05< bpZero> yay, saved them all ;)
20100210 13:41:11< bpZero> is possible
20100210 13:41:14< bpZero> on easiest level
20100210 13:42:16< Sacho> who?
20100210 13:44:23< Appleman1234> the tents in 3 campaign of utbs
20100210 13:46:03< Sacho> it's possible to do it on hard as well, if you overrecruit
20100210 13:49:16< bpZero> alright well thanks for the fix, goodbye
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